Win11 is a resource hog
Win11 is a resource hog in every way imaginable. But modern Linux can
be used in a pretty similar way. 16 GB just isn't what it used to be,
and I found doubling that would be pretty cheap. So should I return to Windows, now that I'm sure to be at least decent when Win12 is released?
Win11 is a resource hog in every way imaginable. But modern Linux can
be used in a pretty similar way. 16 GB just isn't what it used to be,
and I found doubling that would be pretty cheap. So should I return
to Windows, now that I'm sure to be at least decent when Win12 is
released?
I say, nope, there are too few advantages to the platform. I could
dual-boot if I had a second SSD, but even that is pretty useless. I
would actually give away my WinPro product key.
Moore's Law of Resource Hogging. iirc my first i86 box, DOS not Windows,
had either a 5 or 10 MB hard drive.
Win11 is a resource hog in every way imaginable. But modern Linux can
be used in a pretty similar way. 16 GB just isn't what it used to be,
and I found doubling that would be pretty cheap. So should I return
to Windows, now that I'm sure to be at least decent when Win12 is
released?
I say, nope, there are too few advantages to the platform. I could
dual-boot if I had a second SSD, but even that is pretty useless. I
would actually give away my WinPro product key.
Addng RAM will help any platform.
My 64GB for Win 7 Pro does all I need and its over 10 years old. I'm not a >gamer though.
David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
Win11 is a resource hog in every way imaginable. But modern Linux can
be used in a pretty similar way. 16 GB just isn't what it used to be,
and I found doubling that would be pretty cheap. So should I return
to Windows, now that I'm sure to be at least decent when Win12 is
released?
I say, nope, there are too few advantages to the platform. I could
dual-boot if I had a second SSD, but even that is pretty useless. I
would actually give away my WinPro product key.
Addng RAM will help any platform.
I really had no idea what the prices were for what I would need, but I
went into my order history on Newegg, and the same exact pair of 8 GB
RAM sticks I bought for the then-new computer were available for $40
plus sales tax. Looked to be cheaper than the comparable sets would
be from other brands, and I knew they would work. Definitely would
help Win11 and soon to be 12, but it's just something that seems right
to do, just routine expansion, not a radical change.
My 64GB for Win 7 Pro does all I need and its over 10 years old. I'm not a >> gamer though.
There are things that won't run without 10 or 11.
Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in news:7t08lihoa1t32hdqjoq9et0d5elvmimdaq@4ax.com:
Win11 is a resource hog in every way imaginable. But modern Linux can
be used in a pretty similar way. 16 GB just isn't what it used to be,
and I found doubling that would be pretty cheap. So should I return
to Windows, now that I'm sure to be at least decent when Win12 is
released?
I say, nope, there are too few advantages to the platform. I could
dual-boot if I had a second SSD, but even that is pretty useless. I
would actually give away my WinPro product key.
Addng RAM will help any platform.
My 64GB for Win 7 Pro does all I need and its over 10 years old. I'm not a gamer though.
On 11/14/23 10:05 PM, this is what rbowman wrote:
Moore's Law of Resource Hogging. iirc my first i86 box, DOS not
Windows,
had either a 5 or 10 MB hard drive.
Oh I was smarter than you (ha ha), I bought a larger drive for my first
ibm clone. I got a 20M drive. I was a programmer then and knew hard
drive was needed. It only cost me $500. Wasn't I smart 👎
I wanted to "future-proof" my new workstation, so got it with
a decent amount of RAM:
$ free
total used free shared buff/cache available
Mem: 263780224 7482272 250499608 2048944 5798344 252177528
Swap: 2097148 0 2097148
$ free -h
total used free shared buff/cache available
Mem: 251Gi 7.0Gi 239Gi 1.9Gi 5.5Gi 240Gi
Swap: 2.0Gi 0B 2.0Gi
As Linux uses the filesystems, they cache in buff/cache. Just like
SMARTDRV, but for Linux.
Win11 is a resource hog in every way imaginable. But modern Linux can
be used in a pretty similar way. 16 GB just isn't what it used to be,
and I found doubling that would be pretty cheap. So should I return
to Windows, now that I'm sure to be at least decent when Win12 is
released?
Win11 is a resource hog in every way imaginable. But modern Linux can
be used in a pretty similar way. 16 GB just isn't what it used to be,
and I found doubling that would be pretty cheap. So should I return
to Windows, now that I'm sure to be at least decent when Win12 is
released?
More RAM is always better. Windows will use otherwise unused RAM to
cache all kinds of stuff, resulting in better performance.
I have 16GB in my current Windows laptop. It is around 6 years old, but
has a 4 core/8 thread i7 and has been updated with a 1TB SSD, so it runs
just fine. It is too old to run Win11 but I really am not interested
in Win11 anyway. I ran Windows 11 in a Hyper-V VM for a few weeks and
was underwhelmed.
Windows 10 is fine for the few remaining things I need Windows for. I
have 32GB in this MacBook Pro. Not that I really needed it, but it was
just too good of a deal to pass up.
And again, more RAM is always better.
Win11 is a resource hog in every way imaginable. But modern Linux can
be used in a pretty similar way. 16 GB just isn't what it used to be,
and I found doubling that would be pretty cheap. So should I return
to Windows, now that I'm sure to be at least decent when Win12 is
released?
I say, nope, there are too few advantages to the platform. I could
dual-boot if I had a second SSD, but even that is pretty useless. I
would actually give away my WinPro product key.
I wanted to "future-proof" my new workstation, so got it with
a decent amount of RAM:
$ free
total used free shared buff/cache available
Mem: 263780224 7482272 250499608 2048944 5798344 252177528
Swap: 2097148 0 2097148
$ free -h
total used free shared buff/cache available
Mem: 251Gi 7.0Gi 239Gi 1.9Gi 5.5Gi 240Gi
Swap: 2.0Gi 0B 2.0Gi
As Linux uses the filesystems, they cache in buff/cache. Just like
SMARTDRV, but for Linux.
wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.com> wrote:
I
would actually give away my WinPro product key.
Good luck with getting Microsoft to validate a used product key on a
different system. That's if you can find the product key in the first place.
It's a full $200 retail key, purchased from Microsoft. I do have it.
I
would actually give away my WinPro product key.
Good luck with getting Microsoft to validate a used product key on a >different system. That's if you can find the product key in the first place.
Win11 is a resource hog in every way imaginable. But modern Linux can
be used in a pretty similar way. 16 GB just isn't what it used to be,
and I found doubling that would be pretty cheap. So should I return
to Windows, now that I'm sure to be at least decent when Win12 is
released?
I say, nope, there are too few advantages to the platform. I could
dual-boot if I had a second SSD, but even that is pretty useless. I
would actually give away my WinPro product key.
On 14/11/2023 23:36, Joel wrote:
Win11 is a resource hog in every way imaginable. But modern Linux can
be used in a pretty similar way. 16 GB just isn't what it used to be,
and I found doubling that would be pretty cheap. So should I return
to Windows, now that I'm sure to be at least decent when Win12 is
released?
I say, nope, there are too few advantages to the platform. I could dual-boot if I had a second SSD, but even that is pretty useless. I
would actually give away my WinPro product key.
Good luck with getting Microsoft to validate a used product key on a different system. That's if you can find the product key in the first place.
wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 14/11/2023 23:36, Joel wrote:
I
would actually give away my WinPro product key.
Good luck with getting Microsoft to validate a used product key on a
different system. That's if you can find the product key in the first place.
Joel already mentioned he has the key.
But in case one doesn't know the key used on one's system:
Someone somewhere suggested the Microsoft Store app (<barf>)
ShowKeyPlus (by Superfly-Inc.) and that works fine on my HP Windows 11
Home laptop. I could install it without a Microsoft Account(I use a
local account).
<https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/showkeyplus/9PKVZCPRX9NV>
For other versions (Windows 10, Win7, WinPE and CLI), Windows XP): ><https://www.techspot.com/downloads/7129-showkeyplus.html>
Win11 is a resource hog in every way imaginable. But modern Linux can
be used in a pretty similar way. 16 GB just isn't what it used to be,
and I found doubling that would be pretty cheap. So should I return
to Windows, now that I'm sure to be at least decent when Win12 is
released?
I say, nope, there are too few advantages to the platform. I could
dual-boot if I had a second SSD, but even that is pretty useless. I
would actually give away my WinPro product key.
16GB works alright for me, though I don't usually use intensive programs.
Addng RAM will help any platform.
My 64GB for Win 7 Pro does all I need and its over 10 years old. I'm not a gamer though.
There are things that won't run without 10 or 11.
On 11/14/23 21:50, David LaRue wrote:
[snip]
Addng RAM will help any platform.
At some point it could become a liability.
My 64GB for Win 7 Pro does all I need and its over 10 years old. I'm
not a
gamer though.
I'm not either, but I do run multiple virtual machines. That requires
RAM too. My main PC has 48GB, out of a maximum 128GB.
On 11/14/23 21:58, Joel wrote:
[snip]
There are things that won't run without 10 or 11.
The only think I have like that is income tax software.
On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 23:00:37 -0500, Big Al wrote:
On 11/14/23 10:05 PM, this is what rbowman wrote:
Moore's Law of Resource Hogging. iirc my first i86 box, DOS not
Windows,
had either a 5 or 10 MB hard drive.
Oh I was smarter than you (ha ha), I bought a larger drive for my first
ibm clone. I got a 20M drive. I was a programmer then and knew hard
drive was needed. It only cost me $500. Wasn't I smart 👎
I was moving up from a CP/M system with 2 DSDD drives for a massive 720
KB. I did quite a bit of work on that box. The BDS C compiler ran fine
and I was also doing some work with FORTH.
I'm not sure I ever filled the hard drive on the clone. I had a little
burn out, gave all the machines away, and took a little sabbatical for a
few years.
On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 03:50:15 -0000 (UTC), David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in <XnsB0BCE84A1814Ehueydlltampabayrrcom@135.181.20.170>:
My 64GB for Win 7 Pro does all I need and its over 10 years old. I'm not a >> gamer though.
That's plenty for a gamer, and still more than the average home
computer I bet.
I wanted to "future-proof" my new workstation, so got it with
a decent amount of RAM:
$ free
total used free shared buff/cache available
Mem: 263780224 7482272 250499608 2048944 5798344 252177528
Swap: 2097148 0 2097148
$ free -h
total used free shared buff/cache available
Mem: 251Gi 7.0Gi 239Gi 1.9Gi 5.5Gi 240Gi
Swap: 2.0Gi 0B 2.0Gi
As Linux uses the filesystems, they cache in buff/cache. Just like
SMARTDRV, but for Linux.
On 2023/11/14 6:36 PM, Joel wrote:
Win11 is a resource hog in every way imaginable. But modern Linux can
be used in a pretty similar way. 16 GB just isn't what it used to be,
and I found doubling that would be pretty cheap. So should I return
to Windows, now that I'm sure to be at least decent when Win12 is
released?
More RAM is always better.  Windows will use otherwise unused RAM to
cache all kinds of stuff, resulting in better performance.
wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 14/11/2023 23:36, Joel wrote:
Win11 is a resource hog in every way imaginable. But modern Linux can
be used in a pretty similar way. 16 GB just isn't what it used to be,
and I found doubling that would be pretty cheap. So should I return
to Windows, now that I'm sure to be at least decent when Win12 is
released?
I say, nope, there are too few advantages to the platform. I could
dual-boot if I had a second SSD, but even that is pretty useless. I
would actually give away my WinPro product key.
Good luck with getting Microsoft to validate a used product key on a
different system. That's if you can find the product key in the first place.
Joel already mentioned he has the key.
But in case one doesn't know the key used on one's system:
Someone somewhere suggested the Microsoft Store app (<barf>)
ShowKeyPlus (by Superfly-Inc.) and that works fine on my HP Windows 11
Home laptop. I could install it without a Microsoft Account(I use a
local account).
<https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/showkeyplus/9PKVZCPRX9NV>
For other versions (Windows 10, Win7, WinPE and CLI), Windows XP): <https://www.techspot.com/downloads/7129-showkeyplus.html>
On 11/15/23 10:07, Frank Slootweg wrote:
wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 14/11/2023 23:36, Joel wrote:
Win11 is a resource hog in every way imaginable. But modern Linux can >>> be used in a pretty similar way. 16 GB just isn't what it used to be, >>> and I found doubling that would be pretty cheap. So should I return
to Windows, now that I'm sure to be at least decent when Win12 is
released?
I say, nope, there are too few advantages to the platform. I could
dual-boot if I had a second SSD, but even that is pretty useless. I
would actually give away my WinPro product key.
Good luck with getting Microsoft to validate a used product key on a
different system. That's if you can find the product key in the first place.
Joel already mentioned he has the key.
But in case one doesn't know the key used on one's system:
Someone somewhere suggested the Microsoft Store app (<barf>)
ShowKeyPlus (by Superfly-Inc.) and that works fine on my HP Windows 11
Home laptop. I could install it without a Microsoft Account(I use a
local account).
<https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/showkeyplus/9PKVZCPRX9NV>
For other versions (Windows 10, Win7, WinPE and CLI), Windows XP): <https://www.techspot.com/downloads/7129-showkeyplus.html>
There is no way that there are MS Store exclusives, just download the
real version..
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
On 11/15/23 10:07, Frank Slootweg wrote:
wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 14/11/2023 23:36, Joel wrote:
Win11 is a resource hog in every way imaginable. But modern Linux can >>> be used in a pretty similar way. 16 GB just isn't what it used to be, >>> and I found doubling that would be pretty cheap. So should I return >>> to Windows, now that I'm sure to be at least decent when Win12 is
released?
I say, nope, there are too few advantages to the platform. I could
dual-boot if I had a second SSD, but even that is pretty useless. I >>> would actually give away my WinPro product key.
Good luck with getting Microsoft to validate a used product key on a
different system. That's if you can find the product key in the first place.
Joel already mentioned he has the key.
But in case one doesn't know the key used on one's system:
Someone somewhere suggested the Microsoft Store app (<barf>) ShowKeyPlus (by Superfly-Inc.) and that works fine on my HP Windows 11 Home laptop. I could install it without a Microsoft Account(I use a
local account).
<https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/showkeyplus/9PKVZCPRX9NV>
For other versions (Windows 10, Win7, WinPE and CLI), Windows XP): <https://www.techspot.com/downloads/7129-showkeyplus.html>
There is no way that there are MS Store exclusives, just download the
real version..
Duh! Why do you think I pointed to the TechSpot download site, which
in turn points to GitHub!?
The Microsoft Store is just *a* way to get it. If 'they' (Craig)
didn't want their software there, they wouldn't put it there, would
they?
You *gave away all your machines*? Why?
On 11/14/23 10:05 PM, this is what rbowman wrote:
Moore's Law of Resource Hogging. iirc my first i86 box, DOS not Windows, >> had either a 5 or 10 MB hard drive.
Oh I was smarter than you (ha ha), I bought a larger drive for my first
ibm clone. I got a 20M drive. I was a programmer then and knew hard
drive was needed.  It only cost me $500.  Wasn't I smart 👎
On 11/14/2023 10:00 PM, Big Al wrote:
On 11/14/23 10:05 PM, this is what rbowman wrote:
Moore's Law of Resource Hogging. iirc my first i86 box, DOS not
Windows,
had either a 5 or 10 MB hard drive.
Oh I was smarter than you (ha ha), I bought a larger drive for my
first ibm clone. I got a 20M drive. I was a programmer then and knew
hard drive was needed.  It only cost me $500.  Wasn't I smart 👎
I drove to a mid cities 24 hr restaurant (Denny's) at 3 am to get a
little 4 Meg RAM for $100. It was a steal. The seller was a graveyard
worker, his day off leisure time meant 3 am.
The 4 mb RAM sped up my computer wonderfully.
Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 11/14/23 21:58, Joel wrote:how do you know what works and what doesn't
[snip]
There are things that won't run without 10 or 11.
The only think I have like that is income tax software.
On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 10:47:48 -0600, candycanearter07 wrote:
You *gave away all your machines*? Why?
When I left New Hampshire in '88 if it didn't fit in the pickup it wasn't going. A teacher was trying to set up a computer course so I gave him the machines, development boards, manuals, general comp sci books, and so
forth.
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