• Microsoft poll: murder, accident, or suicide?

    From DFS@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 2 12:33:57 2023
    "Last week, The Guardian published an article about Lilie James, a
    21-year-old woman who was found dead with serious head injuries at a
    school in Sydney, Australia.

    James’ murder led to an outpouring of grief and prompted a national conversation in Australia about violence against women.

    But when MSN republished The Guardian’s story, it accompanied it with an AI-generated poll asking readers, “What do you think is the reason
    behind the woman’s death?” And listed three options: murder, accident,
    or suicide.

    The poll prompted criticism from Microsoft’s readers, “This has to be
    the most pathetic, disgusting poll I’ve ever seen,” one person wrote."


    https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/02/tech/microsoft-ai-news/index.html


    Yikes.

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to DFS on Thu Nov 2 13:38:46 2023
    On 11/2/23 11:33, DFS wrote:
    "Last week, The Guardian published an article about Lilie James, a 21-year-old woman who was found dead with serious head injuries at a
    school in Sydney, Australia.

    James’ murder led to an outpouring of grief and prompted a national conversation in Australia about violence against women.

    But when MSN republished The Guardian’s story, it accompanied it with an AI-generated poll asking readers, “What do you think is the reason
    behind the woman’s death?” And listed three options: murder, accident,
    or suicide.

    The poll prompted criticism from Microsoft’s readers, “This has to be
    the most pathetic, disgusting poll I’ve ever seen,” one person wrote."


    https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/02/tech/microsoft-ai-news/index.html


    Yikes.

    Well, the AI succeeded in getting publicity.
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  • From RabidPedagog@21:1/5 to DFS on Thu Nov 2 18:08:50 2023
    On 2023-11-02 12:33 p.m., DFS wrote:
    "Last week, The Guardian published an article about Lilie James, a 21-year-old woman who was found dead with serious head injuries at a
    school in Sydney, Australia.

    James’ murder led to an outpouring of grief and prompted a national conversation in Australia about violence against women.

    But when MSN republished The Guardian’s story, it accompanied it with an AI-generated poll asking readers, “What do you think is the reason
    behind the woman’s death?” And listed three options: murder, accident,
    or suicide.

    The poll prompted criticism from Microsoft’s readers, “This has to be
    the most pathetic, disgusting poll I’ve ever seen,” one person wrote."


    https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/02/tech/microsoft-ai-news/index.html


    Yikes.

    I'll be honest and say that the push for more AI across the board is
    truly worrying me. The technology is clearly designed to replace people
    at many jobs and the way people are embracing all of it should be some
    serious concern.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to RabidPedagog on Thu Nov 2 23:19:32 2023
    On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 18:08:50 -0400, RabidPedagog wrote:

    I'll be honest and say that the push for more AI across the board is
    truly worrying me. The technology is clearly designed to replace people
    at many jobs and the way people are embracing all of it should be some serious concern.

    This too shall pass... The hype is slowly dying down and the realization
    is dawning that LLMs are extremely expensive without a clear way to
    monetize them. It's not going away and will serve useful functions
    eventually but it's a little oversold in the quest for The Next Big Thing.

    I'm interested in ML (machine learning) on edge devices which is a subset.
    The biggest problem I see so far is you still need big iron to train the
    model. once you have a model you can pare it down and optimize it so so inference isn't as costly.

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  • From RabidPedagog@21:1/5 to rbowman on Thu Nov 2 20:06:11 2023
    On 2023-11-02 7:19 p.m., rbowman wrote:
    On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 18:08:50 -0400, RabidPedagog wrote:

    I'll be honest and say that the push for more AI across the board is
    truly worrying me. The technology is clearly designed to replace people
    at many jobs and the way people are embracing all of it should be some
    serious concern.

    This too shall pass...

    I hope so.

    The hype is slowly dying down and the realization
    is dawning that LLMs are extremely expensive without a clear way to
    monetize them. It's not going away and will serve useful functions
    eventually but it's a little oversold in the quest for The Next Big Thing.

    I'm interested in ML (machine learning) on edge devices which is a subset. The biggest problem I see so far is you still need big iron to train the model. once you have a model you can pare it down and optimize it so so inference isn't as costly.

    To be clear, machine learning is programming the hardware to learn how
    to do things on its own? I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that either. :)

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to rbowman on Fri Nov 3 07:52:44 2023
    rbowman wrote:

    RabidPedagog wrote:

    I'll be honest and say that the push for more AI across the board is
    truly worrying me. The technology is clearly designed to replace people
    at many jobs and the way people are embracing all of it should be some
    serious concern.

    This too shall pass... The hype is slowly dying down and the realization
    is dawning that LLMs are extremely expensive without a clear way to
    monetize them. It's not going away and will serve useful functions
    eventually but it's a little oversold in the quest for The Next Big Thing.

    AI will dispace a *lot* of people from their jobs, though. Humans
    simply cannot compete, in *many* situations. Not even close.

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  • From RabidPedagog@21:1/5 to chrisv on Fri Nov 3 09:59:16 2023
    On 2023-11-03 8:52 a.m., chrisv wrote:
    rbowman wrote:

    RabidPedagog wrote:

    I'll be honest and say that the push for more AI across the board is
    truly worrying me. The technology is clearly designed to replace people
    at many jobs and the way people are embracing all of it should be some
    serious concern.

    This too shall pass... The hype is slowly dying down and the realization
    is dawning that LLMs are extremely expensive without a clear way to
    monetize them. It's not going away and will serve useful functions
    eventually but it's a little oversold in the quest for The Next Big Thing.

    AI will dispace a *lot* of people from their jobs, though. Humans
    simply cannot compete, in *many* situations. Not even close.

    Yeah. Such things happened in the past with industrialization, but never
    to this extent. History shows that whatever jobs were obsoleted were
    replaced with new kinds of jobs, but AI is threatening to replace people
    in jobs as lowly as teaching and as prestigious as medicine.

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    RabidPedagog
    Galatians 6:7

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to RabidPedagog on Sat Nov 4 00:04:56 2023
    On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 20:06:11 -0400, RabidPedagog wrote:

    To be clear, machine learning is programming the hardware to learn how
    to do things on its own? I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that either.

    It's a broad field. I'm mostly interested in edge devices, very limited microprocessors like the Arduino that's being referred to a TinyML.

    https://www.sparkfun.com/products/21252


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ML.NET

    Microsoft is targeting multivariate analysis, anomaly detection,
    classifiers, and so forth. Hardware isn't necessarily involved.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to RabidPedagog on Sat Nov 4 00:18:19 2023
    On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 09:59:16 -0400, RabidPedagog wrote:

    Yeah. Such things happened in the past with industrialization, but never
    to this extent. History shows that whatever jobs were obsoleted were
    replaced with new kinds of jobs, but AI is threatening to replace people
    in jobs as lowly as teaching and as prestigious as medicine.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_Piano_(novel)

    I probably have mentioned it before. Somehow it found its way into the
    high school library, possibly because it was set in the Tri-Cities area of
    NYS. It doesn't take a major leap to get from Illium to Troy although the fictional town more closely resembles Schenectady.

    Since my future was to leave the high school and more or less literally go across the street to RPI to become an engineer, it made me think a lot
    about how my future would play out.

    My first two jobs involved automating industrial processes. It was a
    promising time since the capital equipment purchased during WWII was approaching end of life and there was a lot if interest in robotics.

    The oil embargo shuffled the deck as corporations decided to ship the
    existing machinery to third world countries where people were cheaper than investment in automation. That's still playing out. We were told the
    future was a service economy, not dirty old manufacturing. Now the
    service economy will be the next to go.

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  • From RabidPedagog@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sat Nov 4 09:18:53 2023
    On 2023-11-03 8:18 p.m., rbowman wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 09:59:16 -0400, RabidPedagog wrote:

    Yeah. Such things happened in the past with industrialization, but never
    to this extent. History shows that whatever jobs were obsoleted were
    replaced with new kinds of jobs, but AI is threatening to replace people
    in jobs as lowly as teaching and as prestigious as medicine.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_Piano_(novel)

    I probably have mentioned it before. Somehow it found its way into the
    high school library, possibly because it was set in the Tri-Cities area of NYS. It doesn't take a major leap to get from Illium to Troy although the fictional town more closely resembles Schenectady.

    Since my future was to leave the high school and more or less literally go across the street to RPI to become an engineer, it made me think a lot
    about how my future would play out.

    My first two jobs involved automating industrial processes. It was a promising time since the capital equipment purchased during WWII was approaching end of life and there was a lot if interest in robotics.

    The oil embargo shuffled the deck as corporations decided to ship the existing machinery to third world countries where people were cheaper than investment in automation. That's still playing out. We were told the
    future was a service economy, not dirty old manufacturing. Now the
    service economy will be the next to go.

    And much of this happened because people can't see farther than their
    noses and gladly sacrificed their futures for convenience.

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    Galatians 6:7

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to RabidPedagog on Sat Nov 4 19:53:28 2023
    On Sat, 4 Nov 2023 09:18:53 -0400, RabidPedagog wrote:

    And much of this happened because people can't see farther than their
    noses and gladly sacrificed their futures for convenience.

    Give me convenience or give me death! There are some features I enjoy like
    card readers at gas pumps. I spent too much time in areas where gas
    stations closed a 9 PM. I've slept in the car waiting for somebody to show
    up in the morning. Now even East Podunk has 24/7 availability.

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