for some reason, tint2 keeps crashing at random. The only thing that
seems to consistently crash it is by disconnecting a Bluetooth
device. Checking coredumpctl, it says there is a SIGSEGV error. Any
ideas how to fix it or a suggestion for a better taskbar? (no polybar)
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 13:56:21 -0600, candycanearter07 wrote:
for some reason, tint2 keeps crashing at random. The only thing that
seems to consistently crash it is by disconnecting a Bluetooth
device. Checking coredumpctl, it says there is a SIGSEGV error. Any
ideas how to fix it or a suggestion for a better taskbar? (no polybar)
You could had explained what tint2 is, as I doubt it's commonly used.
How about you keep your flaming to yourself if you can’t
even invest 30 seconds into researching what tint2 is?
It is actually widely used together with e.g. openbox.
How about you keep your flaming to yourself if you can’t
even invest 30 seconds into researching what tint2 is?
It is actually widely used together with e.g. openbox.
On 14/11/2023 07:38, Philipp Ludwig wrote:
How about you keep your flaming to yourself if you can’t
even invest 30 seconds into researching what tint2 is?
It is actually widely used together with e.g. openbox.
I have been around Unix/Linux for 38 years and have never heard of either.
*plonk*
+2
btw, is it better to quote the original message or not? im quite
confused when i read netiequette and see the actual customs.
On 14.11.23 12:08, vamastah wrote:
btw, is it better to quote the original message or not? im quite
confused when i read netiequette and see the actual customs.
Is a question of politeness und helps in really busy threads.
Regulars do.
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 13:56:21 -0600, candycanearter07 wrote:
for some reason, tint2 keeps crashing at random. The only thing that
seems to consistently crash it is by disconnecting a Bluetooth
device. Checking coredumpctl, it says there is a SIGSEGV error. Any
ideas how to fix it or a suggestion for a better taskbar? (no polybar)
You could had explained what tint2 is, as I doubt it's commonly used. A search engine told me that it's a panel add-on for window managers,
providing icons for connected devices and others.
Can't other desktop manager's panels substitute functions tint2 comes with?
Hi,
for some reason, tint2 keeps crashing at random. The only thing that
seems to consistently crash it is by disconnecting a Bluetooth device. Checking coredumpctl, it says there is a SIGSEGV error. Any ideas how to
fix it or a suggestion for a better taskbar? (no polybar)
btw, is it better to quote the original message or not? im quite
confused when i read netiequette and see the actual customs.
On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 12:12:07 +0100
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
On 14.11.23 12:08, vamastah wrote:
btw, is it better to quote the original message or not? im quite
confused when i read netiequette and see the actual customs.
Is a question of politeness und helps in really busy threads.
Regulars do.
well, i find it superfluous and sometimes even messy but let it be
*eot*
On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 12:12:07 +0100
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
On 14.11.23 12:08, vamastah wrote:
btw, is it better to quote the original message or not? im quite
confused when i read netiequette and see the actual customs.
Is a question of politeness und helps in really busy threads.
Regulars do.
well, i find it superfluous and sometimes even messy but let it be
*eot*
well, i find it superfluous and sometimes even messy but let it be
*eot*
[...]On 14.11.23 12:08, vamastah wrote:
btw, is it better to quote the original message or not? im quite
confused when i read netiequette and see the actual customs.
well, i find it superfluous and sometimes even messy but let it be
*eot*
On 11/13/23 19:35, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 13:56:21 -0600, candycanearter07 wrote:
for some reason, tint2 keeps crashing at random. The only thing that
seems to consistently crash it is by disconnecting a Bluetooth
device. Checking coredumpctl, it says there is a SIGSEGV error. Any
ideas how to fix it or a suggestion for a better taskbar? (no polybar)
You could had explained what tint2 is, as I doubt it's commonly used. A
search engine told me that it's a panel add-on for window managers,
providing icons for connected devices and others.
Sorry
Can't other desktop manager's panels substitute functions tint2 comes with?
I'm going to try xfce4-panel, as per Philipp's suggestion. For some
reason, trying to reply to their message spits an error?
On 11/13/23 19:35, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 13:56:21 -0600, candycanearter07 wrote:
Can't other desktop manager's panels substitute functions tint2 comes
with?
I'm going to try xfce4-panel, as per Philipp's suggestion. For some
reason, trying to reply to their message spits an error?
How about you keep your flaming to yourself if you can’t
even invest 30 seconds into researching what tint2 is?
It is actually widely used together with e.g. openbox.
On 2023-11-14 14:27, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 11/13/23 19:35, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 13:56:21 -0600, candycanearter07 wrote:
Can't other desktop manager's panels substitute functions tint2
comes with?
What are those functions?
That way we might offer better help.
I'm going to try xfce4-panel, as per Philipp's suggestion. For some
reason, trying to reply to their message spits an error?
Ah, I see that. The message says:
Alert
The author of this message has requested that responses be
sent only to the author. If you also want to reply to the
newsgroup, add a new row to the addressing area, choose
Newsgroup from the recipients list, and enter the name
of the newsgroup.
This is because he has this header:
Followup-To: poster
I find this request ridiculous, and would click "ok", remove his
address, and write the names of the newsgroups manually (you can copy
paste them).
It is in any case impossibly to honour his request, as most posters
here are using faked email addresses on Usenet (including you and me).
I was all excited about there being a new version of Tint, my
favourite Tetris clone. :)
On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 08:38:04 +0100, Philipp Ludwig wrote:
How about you keep your flaming to yourself if you can’t
even invest 30 seconds into researching what tint2 is?
It is actually widely used together with e.g. openbox.
Where have I flamed?
Not using the manager he used I did a quick look what it could be (the OT should mention it).
Using Linux since a quarter of a century this year I never heard about
tint2. I doubt many others. But I guessed correctly that it was for a(ny) window manager. Openbox seems to just be an example.
<https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/tint2>
| tint2 is a simple, unobtrusive and light panel for Xorg. It can be
| configured to include a system tray, a task list, a battery monitor
| and more. Its look is configurable and it only has few dependencies,
| making it ideal for window managers like Openbox, that do not come
| with a panel. ^^^^
Now here's a flame. You should mention F'up2 poster if you set it. Thus I ignored it. Also did you not quote. Learn to post, newbie!
Nice!
I didn't even cared to check his email address for validity.
~$ host lenovo.lan
Host lenovo.lan not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
What a c**t! (Yeah, that's a flame)
This is because he has this header:
Followup-To: poster
I find this request ridiculous, and would click "ok", remove his
address, and write the names of the newsgroups manually (you can copy
paste them).
It is in any case impossibly to honour his request, as most posters here
are using faked email addresses on Usenet (including you and me).
On 15/11/2023 01:13, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
Nice!
I didn't even cared to check his email address for validity.
~$ host lenovo.lan
Host lenovo.lan not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
What a c**t! (Yeah, that's a flame)
Well, amazingly idiotic, for sure.
Are you completely new to the Usenet?
On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 17:04:34 +0100
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
Are you completely new to the Usenet?
yep, i find it very interesting - low bandwidth usage, vast topic
coverage, decentralized architecture, though i expected more traffic
On 15.11.23 13:56, vamastah wrote:
On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 17:04:34 +0100
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
Are you completely new to the Usenet?
yep, i find it very interesting - low bandwidth usage, vast topic
coverage, decentralized architecture, though i expected more traffic
Usenet is from the early days of the Internet. Younger users prefer
usually "Forums".
On 15/11/2023 15:05, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
On 15.11.23 13:56, vamastah wrote:Forums are also very very good, especially where a 'picture is worth
On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 17:04:34 +0100
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
Are you completely new to the Usenet?
yep, i find it very interesting - low bandwidth usage, vast topic
coverage, decentralized architecture, though i expected more traffic
Usenet is from the early days of the Internet. Younger users prefer
usually "Forums".
1000 words'.
But its nice to have the up-to-dateness of Usenet.
Choice is good.
On 15/11/2023 15:05, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
On 15.11.23 13:56, vamastah wrote:Forums are also very very good, especially where a 'picture is worth
On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 17:04:34 +0100
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
Are you completely new to the Usenet?
yep, i find it very interesting - low bandwidth usage, vast topic
coverage, decentralized architecture, though i expected more traffic
Usenet is from the early days of the Internet. Younger users prefer
usually "Forums".
1000 words'.
But its nice to have the up-to-dateness of Usenet.
Choice is good.
On 2023-11-14 14:27, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 11/13/23 19:35, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 13:56:21 -0600, candycanearter07 wrote:
Can't other desktop manager's panels substitute functions tint2 comes
with?
What are those functions?
That way we might offer better help.
I'm going to try xfce4-panel, as per Philipp's suggestion. For some
reason, trying to reply to their message spits an error?
Ah, I see that. The message says:
Alert
The author of this message has requested that responses be
sent only to the author. If you also want to reply to the
newsgroup, add a new row to the addressing area, choose
Newsgroup from the recipients list, and enter the name
of the newsgroup.
This is because he has this header:
Followup-To: poster
I find this request ridiculous, and would click "ok", remove his
address, and write the names of the newsgroups manually (you can copy
paste them).
It is in any case impossibly to honour his request, as most posters here
are using faked email addresses on Usenet (including you and me).
On 15/11/2023 15:05, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Usenet is from the early days of the Internet. Younger users preferForums are also very very good, especially where a 'picture is worth
usually "Forums".
1000 words'.
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 15/11/2023 15:05, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Usenet is from the early days of the Internet. Younger users preferForums are also very very good, especially where a 'picture is worth
usually "Forums".
1000 words'.
On most forum posts I read people just post image hosting links
like they do on Usenet. Sometimes you see that spammers have
figured out how to post visible images but the regulars haven't.
One did change their platform to Discourse and start supporting
image hosting, but that upgrade came with lots of Javascript
(including for lazy-loading those images) that annoys me even
more.
Forums are bad, that's why I'm here.
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 15/11/2023 15:05, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Usenet is from the early days of the Internet. Younger users preferForums are also very very good, especially where a 'picture is worth
usually "Forums".
1000 words'.
On most forum posts I read people just post image hosting links
like they do on Usenet. Sometimes you see that spammers have
figured out how to post visible images but the regulars haven't.
One did change their platform to Discourse and start supporting
image hosting, but that upgrade came with lots of Javascript
(including for lazy-loading those images) that annoys me even
more.
Forums are bad, that's why I'm here.
In comp.os.linux.x, Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
I was all excited about there being a new version of Tint, my
favourite Tetris clone. :)
https://github.com/Eli-the-Bearded/notint
On 2023-11-15 02:07, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
Now here's a flame. You should mention F'up2 poster if you set
it. Thus I
ignored it. Also did you not quote. Learn to post, newbie!
Followup-To: poster
Thunderbird replaces "poster" with the address in "From". Maybe Emacs
is missing a feature :-p
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 15/11/2023 15:05, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Usenet is from the early days of the Internet. Younger users preferForums are also very very good, especially where a 'picture is worth
usually "Forums".
1000 words'.
On most forum posts I read people just post image hosting links
like they do on Usenet. Sometimes you see that spammers have
figured out how to post visible images but the regulars haven't.
One did change their platform to Discourse and start supporting
image hosting, but that upgrade came with lots of Javascript
(including for lazy-loading those images) that annoys me even
more.
Forums are bad, that's why I'm here.
On 2023-11-15, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 15/11/2023 15:05, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Usenet is from the early days of the Internet. Younger users preferForums are also very very good, especially where a 'picture is worth
usually "Forums".
1000 words'.
On most forum posts I read people just post image hosting links
like they do on Usenet. Sometimes you see that spammers have
figured out how to post visible images but the regulars haven't.
One did change their platform to Discourse and start supporting
image hosting, but that upgrade came with lots of Javascript
(including for lazy-loading those images) that annoys me even
more.
Forums are bad, that's why I'm here.
How often does a webforum support threading? That, to me, is a key
feature that is frequently (in my experience, maybe my sample size is
too small?) missing.
On 2023-11-15, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 15/11/2023 15:05, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Usenet is from the early days of the Internet. Younger users preferForums are also very very good, especially where a 'picture is worth
usually "Forums".
1000 words'.
On most forum posts I read people just post image hosting links
like they do on Usenet. Sometimes you see that spammers have
figured out how to post visible images but the regulars haven't.
One did change their platform to Discourse and start supporting
image hosting, but that upgrade came with lots of Javascript
(including for lazy-loading those images) that annoys me even
more.
Forums are bad, that's why I'm here.
How often does a webforum support threading?
That, to me, is a key
feature that is frequently (in my experience, maybe my sample size is
too small?) missing.
On 16/11/2023 22:23, Nuno Silva wrote:
On 2023-11-15, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 15/11/2023 15:05, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Usenet is from the early days of the Internet. Younger users preferForums are also very very good, especially where a 'picture is worth
usually "Forums".
1000 words'.
On most forum posts I read people just post image hosting links
like they do on Usenet. Sometimes you see that spammers have
figured out how to post visible images but the regulars haven't.
One did change their platform to Discourse and start supporting
image hosting, but that upgrade came with lots of Javascript
(including for lazy-loading those images) that annoys me even
more.
Forums are bad, that's why I'm here.
How often does a webforum support threading?
All web forums support threading.
On 17.11.23 09:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/11/2023 22:23, Nuno Silva wrote:
On 2023-11-15, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 15/11/2023 15:05, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Usenet is from the early days of the Internet. Younger users prefer >>>>>> usually "Forums".Forums are also very very good, especially where a 'picture is worth >>>>> 1000 words'.
On most forum posts I read people just post image hosting links
like they do on Usenet. Sometimes you see that spammers have
figured out how to post visible images but the regulars haven't.
One did change their platform to Discourse and start supporting
image hosting, but that upgrade came with lots of Javascript
(including for lazy-loading those images) that annoys me even
more.
Forums are bad, that's why I'm here.
How often does a webforum support threading?
All web forums support threading.
That is not true. Most do not.
On 17/11/2023 08:38, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 17.11.23 09:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Without threading they would be useless
On 16/11/2023 22:23, Nuno Silva wrote:
On 2023-11-15, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 15/11/2023 15:05, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Usenet is from the early days of the Internet. Younger users prefer >>>>>>> usually "Forums".Forums are also very very good, especially where a 'picture is worth >>>>>> 1000 words'.
On most forum posts I read people just post image hosting links
like they do on Usenet. Sometimes you see that spammers have
figured out how to post visible images but the regulars haven't.
One did change their platform to Discourse and start supporting
image hosting, but that upgrade came with lots of Javascript
(including for lazy-loading those images) that annoys me even
more.
Forums are bad, that's why I'm here.
How often does a webforum support threading?
All web forums support threading.
That is not true. Most do not.
On 17.11.23 10:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/11/2023 08:38, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 17.11.23 09:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Without threading they would be useless
On 16/11/2023 22:23, Nuno Silva wrote:
On 2023-11-15, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 15/11/2023 15:05, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Usenet is from the early days of the Internet. Younger users prefer >>>>>>>> usually "Forums".Forums are also very very good, especially where a 'picture is worth >>>>>>> 1000 words'.
On most forum posts I read people just post image hosting links
like they do on Usenet. Sometimes you see that spammers have
figured out how to post visible images but the regulars haven't.
One did change their platform to Discourse and start supporting
image hosting, but that upgrade came with lots of Javascript
(including for lazy-loading those images) that annoys me even
more.
Forums are bad, that's why I'm here.
How often does a webforum support threading?
All web forums support threading.
That is not true. Most do not.
Perhaps for *your* brainstructure but obviously not for others.
Most forums are moderated. Subthreads with OT discussions are eliminated
or separated.
On 16/11/2023 22:23, Nuno Silva wrote:
On 2023-11-15, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 15/11/2023 15:05, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Usenet is from the early days of the Internet. Younger users preferForums are also very very good, especially where a 'picture is worth
usually "Forums".
1000 words'.
On most forum posts I read people just post image hosting links
like they do on Usenet. Sometimes you see that spammers have
figured out how to post visible images but the regulars haven't.
One did change their platform to Discourse and start supporting
image hosting, but that upgrade came with lots of Javascript
(including for lazy-loading those images) that annoys me even
more.
Forums are bad, that's why I'm here.
How often does a webforum support threading?
All web forums support threading.
On 2023-11-17 09:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/11/2023 22:23, Nuno Silva wrote:
On 2023-11-15, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 15/11/2023 15:05, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Usenet is from the early days of the Internet. Younger users prefer >>>>>> usually "Forums".Forums are also very very good, especially where a 'picture is worth >>>>> 1000 words'.
On most forum posts I read people just post image hosting links
like they do on Usenet. Sometimes you see that spammers have
figured out how to post visible images but the regulars haven't.
One did change their platform to Discourse and start supporting
image hosting, but that upgrade came with lots of Javascript
(including for lazy-loading those images) that annoys me even
more.
Forums are bad, that's why I'm here.
How often does a webforum support threading?
All web forums support threading.
I know one that doesn't :-p
btw, is it better to quote the original message or not? im quite
confused when i read netiequette and see the actual customs.
So if the quoted text isExactly ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
long or mostly irrelevant, cut out the cruft to make things clearer and easier to read.
On 17/11/2023 12:33, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-11-17 09:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:I am surprised. I have never found one.
On 16/11/2023 22:23, Nuno Silva wrote:
On 2023-11-15, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 15/11/2023 15:05, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Usenet is from the early days of the Internet. Younger users prefer >>>>>>> usually "Forums".Forums are also very very good, especially where a 'picture is worth >>>>>> 1000 words'.
On most forum posts I read people just post image hosting links
like they do on Usenet. Sometimes you see that spammers have
figured out how to post visible images but the regulars haven't.
One did change their platform to Discourse and start supporting
image hosting, but that upgrade came with lots of Javascript
(including for lazy-loading those images) that annoys me even
more.
Forums are bad, that's why I'm here.
How often does a webforum support threading?
All web forums support threading.
I know one that doesn't :-p
On 17/11/2023 12:33, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-11-17 09:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:I am surprised. I have never found one.
On 16/11/2023 22:23, Nuno Silva wrote:
On 2023-11-15, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 15/11/2023 15:05, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Usenet is from the early days of the Internet. Younger users prefer >>>>>>> usually "Forums".Forums are also very very good, especially where a 'picture is worth >>>>>> 1000 words'.
On most forum posts I read people just post image hosting links
like they do on Usenet. Sometimes you see that spammers have
figured out how to post visible images but the regulars haven't.
One did change their platform to Discourse and start supporting
image hosting, but that upgrade came with lots of Javascript
(including for lazy-loading those images) that annoys me even
more.
Forums are bad, that's why I'm here.
How often does a webforum support threading?
All web forums support threading.
I know one that doesn't :-p
On 17/11/2023 11:35, J?rg Lorenz wrote:
On 17.11.23 10:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/11/2023 08:38, J?rg Lorenz wrote:
On 17.11.23 09:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Without threading they would be useless
On 16/11/2023 22:23, Nuno Silva wrote:
How often does a webforum support threading?
All web forums support threading.
That is not true. Most do not.
Perhaps for *your* brainstructure but obviously not for others.
Most forums are moderated. Subthreads with OT discussions are eliminated
or separated.
So they *are* threaded then?
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 17/11/2023 11:35, J?rg Lorenz wrote:
On 17.11.23 10:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
This is one web forum with a Usenet-like threaded view (still not
nearly as convenient as reading a newsgroup in Tin). Most that I
see don't have anything like this unless they're actually mailing
list archives/interfaces.
http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/forum.php
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 17/11/2023 11:35, J?rg Lorenz wrote:
On 17.11.23 10:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/11/2023 08:38, J?rg Lorenz wrote:
On 17.11.23 09:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Without threading they would be useless
On 16/11/2023 22:23, Nuno Silva wrote:
How often does a webforum support threading?
All web forums support threading.
That is not true. Most do not.
Perhaps for *your* brainstructure but obviously not for others.
Most forums are moderated. Subthreads with OT discussions are eliminated >>> or separated.
So they *are* threaded then?
There must be a difference in definitions of "threading" going on
here.
While most web forums can have separate threads started by the
first post, I rarely find a way to display sub-threads branching
off like you can with a tree view in most news readers (and I have
often looked hard just in case it's burried in the forum's
options). If someone starts a discussion about tint2 on a forum and
everyone starts talking about threading there instead, on web
forums a person only interested in tint2 may have a very hard time
working through all the OT posts in order to find out whether
anyone discussed tint2 at all. On Usenet it's easy to see in a
proper threaded view where the discussion branches off and skip
around that.
On 17/11/2023 21:36, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:Oh you mean MULTI-threading.
On 17/11/2023 11:35, J?rg Lorenz wrote:
On 17.11.23 10:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/11/2023 08:38, J?rg Lorenz wrote:
On 17.11.23 09:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Without threading they would be useless
On 16/11/2023 22:23, Nuno Silva wrote:
How often does a webforum support threading?
All web forums support threading.
That is not true. Most do not.
Perhaps for *your* brainstructure but obviously not for others.
Most forums are moderated. Subthreads with OT discussions are eliminated >>>> or separated.
So they *are* threaded then?
There must be a difference in definitions of "threading" going on
here.
While most web forums can have separate threads started by the
first post, I rarely find a way to display sub-threads branching
off like you can with a tree view in most news readers (and I have
often looked hard just in case it's burried in the forum's
options). If someone starts a discussion about tint2 on a forum and
everyone starts talking about threading there instead, on web
forums a person only interested in tint2 may have a very hard time
working through all the OT posts in order to find out whether
anyone discussed tint2 at all. On Usenet it's easy to see in a
proper threaded view where the discussion branches off and skip
around that.
Why didn't you say?
One of the *advantages* of forums is that there is no way to veer off
topic easily.
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 17/11/2023 21:36, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 17/11/2023 11:35, J?rg Lorenz wrote:
On 17.11.23 10:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
One of the *advantages* of forums is that there is no way to veer off
topic easily.
Do you really believe discussions don't veer way off topic all the
time on forums? You apparantly use the Raspberry Pi Forums so I
can't follow that.
Of course the discussions veer off exactly as easily on web forums,
the only difference is that it's harder to read them when they do.
Heavy moderation _might_ control it, but as unlike on Usenet the
moderation usually happens after articles are posted, that requires moderators to jump in fast enough that things aren't already mixed
up by the time they intervene. Anyway extra workload on moderators
is hardly an *advantage*, and the OT discussions will always be
attempted regardless of how poorly designed the platform is for
displaying them.
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 17/11/2023 21:36, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:Oh you mean MULTI-threading.
On 17/11/2023 11:35, J?rg Lorenz wrote:
On 17.11.23 10:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/11/2023 08:38, J?rg Lorenz wrote:
On 17.11.23 09:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Without threading they would be useless
On 16/11/2023 22:23, Nuno Silva wrote:
How often does a webforum support threading?
All web forums support threading.
That is not true. Most do not.
Perhaps for *your* brainstructure but obviously not for others.
Most forums are moderated. Subthreads with OT discussions are eliminated >>>>> or separated.
So they *are* threaded then?
There must be a difference in definitions of "threading" going on
here.
While most web forums can have separate threads started by the
first post, I rarely find a way to display sub-threads branching
off like you can with a tree view in most news readers (and I have
often looked hard just in case it's burried in the forum's
options). If someone starts a discussion about tint2 on a forum and
everyone starts talking about threading there instead, on web
forums a person only interested in tint2 may have a very hard time
working through all the OT posts in order to find out whether
anyone discussed tint2 at all. On Usenet it's easy to see in a
proper threaded view where the discussion branches off and skip
around that.
Why didn't you say?
Actually "Nuno Silva" was the one that mentioned threading as a
missing feature from forums, see the quotes (or, for that matter,
threading). I just interpreted it as what you call multi-threading,
which I'm pretty sure was as intended.
One of the *advantages* of forums is that there is no way to veer off
topic easily.
Do you really believe discussions don't veer way off topic all the
time on forums? You apparantly use the Raspberry Pi Forums so I
can't follow that.
Of course the discussions veer off exactly as easily on web forums,
the only difference is that it's harder to read them when they do.
Heavy moderation _might_ control it, but as unlike on Usenet the
moderation usually happens after articles are posted, that requires moderators to jump in fast enough that things aren't already mixed
up by the time they intervene. Anyway extra workload on moderators
is hardly an *advantage*, and the OT discussions will always be
attempted regardless of how poorly designed the platform is for
displaying them.
On 2023-11-18 22:26, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 17/11/2023 21:36, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 17/11/2023 11:35, J?rg Lorenz wrote:
On 17.11.23 10:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
...
One of the *advantages* of forums is that there is no way to veer off
topic easily.
Do you really believe discussions don't veer way off topic all the
time on forums? You apparantly use the Raspberry Pi Forums so I
can't follow that.
Of course the discussions veer off exactly as easily on web forums,
the only difference is that it's harder to read them when they do.
Heavy moderation _might_ control it, but as unlike on Usenet the
moderation usually happens after articles are posted, that requires
moderators to jump in fast enough that things aren't already mixed
up by the time they intervene. Anyway extra workload on moderators
is hardly an *advantage*, and the OT discussions will always be
attempted regardless of how poorly designed the platform is for
displaying them.
If the forum has the proper features, the moderators can detach the
subthread to a new thread of its own, even move it to a different room.
There is no time limit.
On 2023-11-18 22:26, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Of course the discussions veer off exactly as easily on web forums,
the only difference is that it's harder to read them when they do.
Heavy moderation _might_ control it, but as unlike on Usenet the
moderation usually happens after articles are posted, that requires
moderators to jump in fast enough that things aren't already mixed
up by the time they intervene. Anyway extra workload on moderators
is hardly an *advantage*, and the OT discussions will always be
attempted regardless of how poorly designed the platform is for
displaying them.
If the forum has the proper features, the moderators can detach the
subthread to a new thread of its own, even move it to a different room.
There is no time limit.
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-11-18 22:26, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Of course the discussions veer off exactly as easily on web forums,
the only difference is that it's harder to read them when they do.
Heavy moderation _might_ control it, but as unlike on Usenet the
moderation usually happens after articles are posted, that requires
moderators to jump in fast enough that things aren't already mixed
up by the time they intervene. Anyway extra workload on moderators
is hardly an *advantage*, and the OT discussions will always be
attempted regardless of how poorly designed the platform is for
displaying them.
If the forum has the proper features, the moderators can detach the
subthread to a new thread of its own, even move it to a different room.
There is no time limit.
However if they're slow to do that then things become, as I said,
mixed up. Before the threads are separated, people wanting to
reply to both the original topic and the OT discussion include both
in the same post. Then a moderator would need to separate out bits
of the individual posts themselves, which they rarely do so you end
up with a fragmented discussion in the new branched-off thread,
then that thread only makes sense if you were reading everything
before it was forked off.
But my point really is that it's extra work for the moderators and
hence whether or not it _can_ be done, it usually isn't done at
all. On Usenet the sub-threads happen automatically (some posts
from clueless Google Groups users excepted) - a vast improvement
regardless of what half-hearted works arounds web forums might have implemented.
On 18/11/2023 21:26, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:Not really. My first response to an issue I don't understand is to
One of the *advantages* of forums is that there is no way to veer off
topic easily.
Do you really believe discussions don't veer way off topic all the
time on forums? You apparantly use the Raspberry Pi Forums so I
can't follow that.
google it. That often takes me to a forum, but I am not an active member
of any. In general that gets the answer I want, although in many cases
it's an answer that applied to a release ten years ago and not to the
current software and hardware.
Of course the discussions veer off exactly as easily on web forums,Many of those fora carry advertising to pay for moderation. You get what
the only difference is that it's harder to read them when they do.
Heavy moderation _might_ control it, but as unlike on Usenet the
moderation usually happens after articles are posted, that requires
moderators to jump in fast enough that things aren't already mixed
up by the time they intervene. Anyway extra workload on moderators
is hardly an *advantage*, and the OT discussions will always be
attempted regardless of how poorly designed the platform is for
displaying them.
you pay for.
Well, some sites have very active moderators that love to yield the axe :-P
On 19/11/2023 20:49, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Well, some sites have very active moderators that love to yield theEr...WIELD the axe...Shirley...¿?
axe :-P
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