Well it all started with Thunderbird 115. I dont like the mew icon, so I decided to use the old one.
But this led to a general discovery.
Mint Mate program launchers - no matter whether anything to do with
thunderbird *at all* refused to use the new icons when they were in the:
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps directory *or* the /usr/local/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps diercorty

BUT *were* happy to use them if they were on the user desktop!
And were happy to use *any other* icon in those directories.

e.g. in
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps
we have

root@juliet:/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps# ls -l *bird*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 24077 Oct 6 13:56
Carlosjj-Mozilla-Thunderbird.256.png
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 36540 Oct 6 14:12 Tbird.png
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3525 Sep 29 14:18 thunderbird.png
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 13690 Oct 6 14:13 Thunderbird.png

Only *thunderbird.png* is acceptable. All others simply are not
recongnised by the launcher

Yet all work *perfectly* when accessd from the desktop.


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and understanding".

Marshall McLuhan

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On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 14:47:13 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Well it all started with Thunderbird 115. I dont like the mew icon, so
I decided to use the old one.
But this led to a general discovery.
Mint Mate program launchers - no matter whether anything to do with thunderbird *at all* refused to use the new icons when they were in
the:
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps directory *or* the /usr/local/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps diercorty

Using MINT with Cinnamon, no problem.

Logged in with a second user and MATE, also works.

[...]

Yet all work *perfectly* when accessd from the desktop.

Seen the new message threading activated by default? What were they
thinking activating this by default?
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Andreas

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On 06/10/2023 21:39, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:

On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 14:47:13 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Well it all started with Thunderbird 115. I dont like the mew icon, so
I decided to use the old one.
But this led to a general discovery.
Mint Mate program launchers - no matter whether anything to do with
thunderbird *at all* refused to use the new icons when they were in
the:
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps directory *or* the
/usr/local/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps diercorty

Using MINT with Cinnamon, no problem.

Weird

Logged in with a second user and MATE, also works.

[...]

Yet all work *perfectly* when accessd from the desktop.

Seen the new message threading activated by default? What were they
thinking activating this by default?

I am of the considered opinion that millennial software writes do not think.

--
In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act.

- George Orwell

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On 10/7/23 04:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 06/10/2023 21:39, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:

Seen the new message threading activated by default? What were they
thinking activating this by default?

I am of the considered opinion that millennial software writes do not
think.

Current computer specs give programmers way more leeway in terms of optimization. Gone are the days of fitting everything into 1MB of ram..
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On 2023-10-07, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:

On 10/7/23 04:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 06/10/2023 21:39, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:

Seen the new message threading activated by default? What were they
thinking activating this by default?

I am of the considered opinion that millennial software writes do not
think.

Oh, they think - but it doesn't go beyond "Oooohhh, shiny!"

Current computer specs give programmers way more leeway in terms of optimization. Gone are the days of fitting everything into 1MB of ram..

As someone who started out fitting everything into 16K of RAM, all I can conclude is that these people believe that abundance justifies waste.
Plus, of course, it provides an easy path to the forced upgrades which
are now so prevalent.

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\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | world-class vulnerabilities
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | that only Microsoft can provide.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- druck <news@druck.org.uk>

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On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 16:22:57 -0500, candycanearter07 wrote:

On 10/7/23 04:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 06/10/2023 21:39, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:

Seen the new message threading activated by default? What were they
thinking activating this by default?

I am of the considered opinion that millennial software writes do
not think.

Current computer specs give programmers way more leeway in terms of optimization. Gone are the days of fitting everything into 1MB of
ram..

Or back in the late 80s and early 80s, when 64 KB in home computers seemed
like abundance. Still 16 KB felt like luxury.
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On 10/7/23 18:20, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

As someone who started out fitting everything into 16K of RAM, all I can conclude is that these people believe that abundance justifies waste.
Plus, of course, it provides an easy path to the forced upgrades which
are now so prevalent.

"Limitations make creativity" applies here, I think.
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The Natural Philosopher <...@invalid.invalid> [TNP]:

Only *thunderbird.png* is acceptable. All others simply are not recongnised by the launcher

Are they really the same type of file (ie. dimensions,
transparency, etc)?

Please post the output of
file file.png
or
convert -verbose file.png /dev/null
for each of them.

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Am 07.10.23 um 23:22 schrieb candycanearter07:

On 10/7/23 04:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 06/10/2023 21:39, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:

Seen the new message threading activated by default? What were they
thinking activating this by default?

I am of the considered opinion that millennial software writes do not
think.

Current computer specs give programmers way more leeway in terms of optimization. Gone are the days of fitting everything into 1MB of ram..

Today, to get an acceptable performance level RAM has to be at least
twice the size of the booted system. With current graphic Linux-versions
that means 4 GB.

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Am 08.10.23 um 01:20 schrieb Charlie Gibbs:

As someone who started out fitting everything into 16K of RAM, all I can conclude is that these people believe that abundance justifies waste.
Plus, of course, it provides an easy path to the forced upgrades which
are now so prevalent.

What forced upgrades? I do not see any. Particularly not in the Linux world.

--
Ave! Morituri te salutant!

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On 08/10/2023 00:20, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2023-10-07, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:

On 10/7/23 04:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 06/10/2023 21:39, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:

Seen the new message threading activated by default? What were they
thinking activating this by default?

I am of the considered opinion that millennial software writes do not
think.

Oh, they think - but it doesn't go beyond "Oooohhh, shiny!"

Indeed. All that processing and GPU power and then they all decide the monochrome icons from the kindergarten collections is what we all need.

Current computer specs give programmers way more leeway in terms of
optimization. Gone are the days of fitting everything into 1MB of ram..

As someone who started out fitting everything into 16K of RAM, all I can conclude is that these people believe that abundance justifies waste.
Plus, of course, it provides an easy path to the forced upgrades which
are now so prevalent.

I don't care that its inefficient, I care that's its lazy. There is no
logic or convention to the UI, People put switches wherever they can fit
them in not where you would logically expect them

I now have at leats three places *all entirely different* that affect thunderbird font sizes. Of everything *except* pop up notifications


--
Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper
name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.

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On 08/10/2023 07:45, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

Am 08.10.23 um 01:20 schrieb Charlie Gibbs:

As someone who started out fitting everything into 16K of RAM, all I
can conclude is that these people believe that abundance justifies
waste. Plus, of course, it provides an easy path to the forced
upgrades which are now so prevalent.

What forced upgrades? I do not see any. Particularly not in the Linux
world.

Well there are, unfortunately. If you want to run a certain piece of
software you may well find that it depends on later version of
libraries than your current installation.

--
It is the folly of too many to mistake the echo of a London coffee-house
for the voice of the kingdom.

Jonathan Swift

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On 07/10/2023 22:22, candycanearter07 wrote:

On 10/7/23 04:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 06/10/2023 21:39, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:

Seen the new message threading activated by default? What were they
thinking activating this by default?

I am of the considered opinion that millennial software writes do not
think.

Current computer specs give programmers way more leeway in terms of optimization. Gone are the days of fitting everything into 1MB of ram..

Gone are the days of writing a specification that is approved by the
putative users, too.

All Chrome and tailfins with a dashboard out of the Ark mostly
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“It is not the truth of Marxism that explains the willingness of intellectuals to believe it, but the power that it confers on
intellectuals, in their attempts to control the world. And since...it is
futile to reason someone out of a thing that he was not reasoned into,
we can conclude that Marxism owes its remarkable power to survive every criticism to the fact that it is not a truth-directed but a
power-directed system of thought.”
Sir Roger Scruton

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On 08/10/2023 03:26, Fritz Wuehler wrote:

The Natural Philosopher <...@invalid.invalid> [TNP]:

Only *thunderbird.png* is acceptable. All others simply are not recongnised by the launcher

Are they really the same type of file (ie. dimensions,
transparency, etc)?

They are direct *copies*

I copied the *same* file into three places. On one place it works, in
other places it does not

Please post the output of
file file.png
or
Please post the output of
file file.png

file *bird*
Carlosjj-Mozilla-Thunderbird.256.png: PNG image data, 256 x 256, 8-bit colormap, non-interlaced
Tbird.png: PNG image data, 256 x 256, 8-bit colormap, non-interlaced
thunderbird.png: PNG image data, 48 x 48,
8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced
Thunderbird.png: PNG image data, 48 x 48, 8-bit
colormap, non-interlaced

Hmm. using colormaps.
BUT

file ~/Desktop/*bird*
/home/me/Desktop/Tbird.png: PNG image data, 256 x 256, 8-bit
colormap, non-interlaced
/home/me/Desktop/thunderbird.png: PNG image data, 48 x 48, 8-bit/color
RGBA, non-interlaced
/home/me/Desktop/Thunderbird.png: PNG image data, 48 x 48, 8-bit
colormap, non-interlaced

is the same, and they *all work*.

or
convert -verbose file.png /dev/null
for each of them.

--
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that
the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."

- Bertrand Russell

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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I copied the same file into three places. On one place it works, in
other places it does not

SElinux?

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On 08/10/2023 13:35, Andy Burns wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I copied the same file into three places. On one place it works, in
other places it does not

SElinux?

Release Linux Mint 20.3 Una 64-bit MATE

I should note that all graphics programs can read and display them
anywhere.
Only whatever creates the desktop launcher cannot.

--
It is the folly of too many to mistake the echo of a London coffee-house
for the voice of the kingdom.

Jonathan Swift

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Am 08.10.23 um 14:22 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:

On 08/10/2023 07:45, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

Am 08.10.23 um 01:20 schrieb Charlie Gibbs:

As someone who started out fitting everything into 16K of RAM, all I
can conclude is that these people believe that abundance justifies
waste. Plus, of course, it provides an easy path to the forced
upgrades which are now so prevalent.

What forced upgrades? I do not see any. Particularly not in the Linux
world.

Well there are, unfortunately. If you want to run a certain piece of
software you may well find that it depends on later version of
libraries than your current installation.

You miss the topic. Hardware requirements are the issue.

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Ave! Morituri te salutant!

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On 10/8/23 07:20, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Indeed. All that processing and GPU power and then they all decide the monochrome icons from the kindergarten collections is what we all need.

Personality hurts the bottom line, apparently. Have you seen the new
Patreon logo?
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