• Looking for BYAD DS2 CP/M Card Software

    From Reviving Retro@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 13 23:41:45 2021
    I'm hoping someone here might me able to help me with this request.
    I have a BYAD DS2 expansion card which would allow me to run CP/M-80 on my vintage IBM.

    Would anyone here happen to have software for this in their archives?
    I know that it is in the Don Maslin collection -

    Date 1983
    Description
    Personally-labeled; 5 1/4 inch floppy disk (2); disk labels:
    1-2) System disk CP/M-80 version 2.20 [2 copies]
    3-4) Program disk CP/M-80 version 2.20 [2 copies]

    Any help would be so appreciated. Thank you!

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  • From ldkraemer@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 14 05:47:55 2021
    I'm not sure which version you are wanting. I searched the Maslin Archive for two strings
    "CPM80" & "CPM22" and came up with these files:

    [code] "cpm80"
    128372 1991-01-04 05:18 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/compupro/cpm8022h.td0
    287088 1991-01-04 06:21 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/compupro/cpm8022n.td0
    116278 1991-01-04 01:13 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/compupro/cpm822k1.td0
    116418 1991-01-04 05:30 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/compupro/cpm822k2.td0
    313878 1991-01-04 05:57 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/compupro/cpm822ld.td0

    128372 1991-01-04 05:18 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/compupro/cpm8022h.td0
    287088 1991-01-04 06:21 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/compupro/cpm8022n.td0
    287524 1997-01-15 04:00 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/compupro/cpm8022q.td0
    116278 1991-01-04 01:13 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/compupro/cpm822k1.td0
    116418 1991-01-04 05:30 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/compupro/cpm822k2.td0
    313878 1991-01-04 05:57 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/compupro/cpm822ld.td0


    "CPM22"
    0 2012-12-06 18:13 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/cpm22/
    166 1991-10-04 05:58 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/cpm22/-index
    24011 1990-09-17 05:27 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/cpm22/bdos22.zip
    61968 1991-05-02 00:04 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/cpm22/cpm22dri.td0

    0 2012-12-06 19:20 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/heath/
    715 1996-09-11 21:50 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/heath/-index
    86967 1996-08-06 05:14 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/heath/cpm22041.td0
    53418 1996-08-06 05:17 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/heath/cpm22042.td0
    70547 1996-08-06 05:20 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/heath/cpm22043.td0
    84307 1996-08-05 04:56 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/heath/cpm2204s.td0

    0 2012-12-06 19:09 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/lobo/
    342 1996-01-28 02:06 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/lobo/-index
    76340 1995-01-18 06:14 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/lobo/lcpm22.td0

    647 1995-08-22 05:52 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/sierra/-index
    99554 1990-10-06 23:11 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/sierra/cpm22.zip
    220026 1990-10-07 00:25 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/sierra/cpm22dd.td0
    63500 1990-10-06 23:48 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/sierra/cpm22hd.zip
    124816 1990-10-06 23:45 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/sierra/cpm22hds.td0
    113438 1990-10-06 22:38 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/sierra/cpm22s.td0

    0 2012-12-06 19:09 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/wavemate/tmp/
    90602 1995-09-23 01:02 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/wavemate/wmbcpm22.td0
    160740 1995-09-23 01:15 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_10apr97/ddrive/sydex/wavemate/wmbcpm2a.td0

    0 2012-12-06 08:33 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/hold/
    64768 1992-05-18 21:18 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/hold/cpm22.lbr

    203280 1991-10-02 19:51 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/8in/flgcpm22.td0

    0 2012-12-06 07:47 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/bigboard/
    217 1995-08-22 05:45 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/bigboard/-index
    175836 1990-11-18 15:47 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/bigboard/60kcpm22.td0
    97056 1990-11-18 15:35 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/bigboard/60ksourc.zip
    176260 1990-11-18 11:40 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/bigboard/x4acpm22.td0

    0 2012-12-06 07:48 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/cpm22/
    166 1991-10-04 05:58 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/cpm22/-index
    24011 1990-09-17 05:27 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/cpm22/bdos22.zip
    61968 1991-05-02 00:04 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/cpm22/cpm22dri.td0

    0 2012-12-06 08:30 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/lobo/
    342 1995-08-22 05:21 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/lobo/-index
    76340 1995-01-18 06:14 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/lobo/lcpm22.td0

    0 2012-12-06 08:14 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/sierra/
    647 1995-08-22 05:52 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/sierra/-index
    99554 1990-10-06 23:11 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/sierra/cpm22.zip
    220026 1990-10-07 00:25 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/sierra/cpm22dd.td0
    63500 1990-10-06 23:48 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/sierra/cpm22hd.zip
    124816 1990-10-06 23:45 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/sierra/cpm22hds.td0
    113438 1990-10-06 22:38 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/sierra/cpm22s.td0

    0 2012-12-06 08:29 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/wavemate/tmp/
    90602 1995-09-23 01:02 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/maslin_c_d_3oct95/ddrive/sydex/wavemate/wmbcpm22.td0

    669 1995-09-23 00:57 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/25jul96/sydex/wavemate/-index
    90602 1995-09-23 01:02 AARDVARK_Tape_Backups/25jul96/sydex/wavemate/wmbcpm22.td0
    [/code]

    It's easy enough to get whatever files you are needing and convert the *.TD0 files to *.IMD and *.RAW (Sector Dumps)
    and extract all the files from these archives. You will need an older DOS type Computer, with the correct type
    Floppy Disk Controller to write these Images to a Physical Floppy(s). libdsk by John Elliott can also write the
    Floppy's, as well as Linux (I use Debian 11 - 64 Bit) with the dd command (assuming you have the correct floppy
    definition in the /etc/mediaprm file to support the physical Floppy Drive).

    I'm also not sure about what size your CP/M image should be 48K, 60K, 64K, ??K. Do you have a clue?

    Any other information you can supply will help narrow the search.

    Larry

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  • From Reviving Retro@21:1/5 to ldkr...@gmail.com on Tue Dec 14 08:29:31 2021
    On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 5:47:57 AM UTC-8, ldkr...@gmail.com wrote:
    I'm not sure which version you are wanting. I searched the Maslin Archive for two strings
    "CPM80" & "CPM22" and came up with these files:

    ....

    I'm also not sure about what size your CP/M image should be 48K, 60K, 64K, ??K. Do you have a clue?

    Any other information you can supply will help narrow the search.

    Larry

    Thanks for the reply and the time you took on this Larry. That was very nice of you.

    The historical Museum pulled up 2 disk labels under BYAD
    1-2) System disk CP/M-80 version 2.20 [2 copies]
    3-4) Program disk CP/M-80 version 2.20 [2 copies]

    So I am assuming CP/M-80 v2.2 is what I'm looking for (it would be for 64K)

    The card provides an extra 64k of RAM when run under PC-DOS or CP/M-86, but as I mentioned, the museum's archives show Mr. Maslin's BYAD disks as CP/M-80
    What I was hoping to find in those floppies, aside from the System is the BYAD utilities.

    So - in summary - I would think the CP/M-80 v2.20 for a 64k IBM system is what I'm looking for.
    I have an IBM 5160 and 5170 available for the card if I can get the software straightened out. :)

    Thank you!

    -Alex

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  • From ldkraemer@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 14 11:21:02 2021
    Alex,
    The problem I have is there is nothing in TEXT or on the Listing of files that contains BYAD.
    How about contacting the Computer Historical Museu, and see if they can provide more detail as
    to where it was located in the Maslin Archive. If I have the *.TD0 or *.IMD file name, or even the
    Computer system it was compiled on, we can locate the file.

    There is nothing about a BYAD that I find in searches of index files.

    Larry

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  • From Reviving Retro@21:1/5 to ldkr...@gmail.com on Tue Dec 14 13:20:40 2021
    On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 11:21:03 AM UTC-8, ldkr...@gmail.com wrote:
    Alex,
    The problem I have is there is nothing in TEXT or on the Listing of files that contains BYAD.
    How about contacting the Computer Historical Museu, and see if they can provide more detail as
    to where it was located in the Maslin Archive. If I have the *.TD0 or *.IMD file name, or even the
    Computer system it was compiled on, we can locate the file.

    There is nothing about a BYAD that I find in searches of index files.

    Larry

    Thanks Larry - I shot them off an email - really appreciated your help here - thank you!

    -Alex

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  • From Steven Hirsch@21:1/5 to Reviving Retro on Tue Dec 14 16:17:45 2021
    On 12/14/21 2:41 AM, Reviving Retro wrote:
    I'm hoping someone here might me able to help me with this request.
    I have a BYAD DS2 expansion card which would allow me to run CP/M-80 on my vintage IBM.

    If that card is a knock-off of a BabyBlue or BlueThunder ISA Z80 board I have support software for both.

    Seeing a photo would help if you can send one via e-mail.

    Steve

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  • From Reviving Retro@21:1/5 to Steven Hirsch on Tue Dec 14 13:25:57 2021
    On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 1:17:51 PM UTC-8, Steven Hirsch wrote:
    On 12/14/21 2:41 AM, Reviving Retro wrote:
    I'm hoping someone here might me able to help me with this request.
    I have a BYAD DS2 expansion card which would allow me to run CP/M-80 on my vintage IBM.
    If that card is a knock-off of a BabyBlue or BlueThunder ISA Z80 board I have support software for both.

    Seeing a photo would help if you can send one via e-mail.

    Steve


    Hiya Steve - here's a picture: https://inetrc.com/retro/BYAD_DS2.jpg

    Thanks! :)

    -Alex

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  • From Steven Hirsch@21:1/5 to Reviving Retro on Wed Dec 15 08:46:07 2021
    On 12/14/21 4:25 PM, Reviving Retro wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 1:17:51 PM UTC-8, Steven Hirsch wrote:
    On 12/14/21 2:41 AM, Reviving Retro wrote:
    I'm hoping someone here might me able to help me with this request.
    I have a BYAD DS2 expansion card which would allow me to run CP/M-80 on my vintage IBM.
    If that card is a knock-off of a BabyBlue or BlueThunder ISA Z80 board I have
    support software for both.

    Seeing a photo would help if you can send one via e-mail.

    Steve


    Hiya Steve - here's a picture: https://inetrc.com/retro/BYAD_DS2.jpg

    Interesting board! That's quite different from the two I mentioned and would almost certainly need dedicated software. I hope you are able to locate it.

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  • From Reviving Retro@21:1/5 to Steven Hirsch on Wed Dec 15 07:48:13 2021
    On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 5:46:14 AM UTC-8, Steven Hirsch wrote:
    On 12/14/21 4:25 PM, Reviving Retro wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 1:17:51 PM UTC-8, Steven Hirsch wrote:
    On 12/14/21 2:41 AM, Reviving Retro wrote:
    I'm hoping someone here might me able to help me with this request.
    I have a BYAD DS2 expansion card which would allow me to run CP/M-80 on my vintage IBM.
    If that card is a knock-off of a BabyBlue or BlueThunder ISA Z80 board I have
    support software for both.

    Seeing a photo would help if you can send one via e-mail.

    Steve


    Hiya Steve - here's a picture: https://inetrc.com/retro/BYAD_DS2.jpg
    Interesting board! That's quite different from the two I mentioned and would almost certainly need dedicated software. I hope you are able to locate it.

    Appreciate you checking Steve - thanks!

    -Alex

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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Reviving Retro on Thu Dec 16 15:54:44 2021
    On 14/12/2021 18:41, Reviving Retro wrote:
    I'm hoping someone here might me able to help me with this request.
    I have a BYAD DS2 expansion card which would allow me to run CP/M-80 on my vintage IBM.

    Would anyone here happen to have software for this in their archives?
    I know that it is in the Don Maslin collection -

    Date 1983
    Description
    Personally-labeled; 5 1/4 inch floppy disk (2); disk labels:
    1-2) System disk CP/M-80 version 2.20 [2 copies]
    3-4) Program disk CP/M-80 version 2.20 [2 copies]

    Any help would be so appreciated. Thank you!


    Perhaps you've already seen this - if not may be worth trying to contact the guy.

    https://youtu.be/SbYcjrezJHs

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  • From Reviving Retro@21:1/5 to dxforth on Wed Dec 15 23:31:09 2021
    On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 8:54:50 PM UTC-8, dxforth wrote:
    Perhaps you've already seen this - if not may be worth trying to contact the guy.
    https://youtu.be/SbYcjrezJHs

    So nice of you - yep - saw it and found they were a member on https://www.eevblog.com/ but haven't received any response to my pm there

    Again - thank you :)

    -Alex

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  • From Steven Hirsch@21:1/5 to Reviving Retro on Sat Dec 18 13:51:00 2021
    On 12/16/21 2:31 AM, Reviving Retro wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 8:54:50 PM UTC-8, dxforth wrote:
    Perhaps you've already seen this - if not may be worth trying to contact
    the guy. https://youtu.be/SbYcjrezJHs

    So nice of you - yep - saw it and found they were a member on https://www.eevblog.com/ but haven't received any response to my pm there

    If you succeed in finding the software (or docs) please consider submitting to Bitsavers, Internet Archive or other such site?

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  • From Reviving Retro@21:1/5 to Steven Hirsch on Sat Dec 18 22:14:05 2021
    On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 10:51:06 AM UTC-8, Steven Hirsch wrote:
    If you succeed in finding the software (or docs) please consider submitting to
    Bitsavers, Internet Archive or other such site?

    I would absolutely share this Steve - I did ultimately come in contact with the gentleman who made the video, and he has original disks and manual but it seems to be highly time consuming for him to revive his old hardware to make an image/copy. While I
    offered to pay for his time, assuming it would be relatively simple to image/copy, his estimation is far too high to weigh the ROI on it for something that is more a personal wish for me and not a need. The gentleman is also concerned about the legality/
    liability of posting any of this in public domain.

    I don't like to push folks on this kind of thing - it's their property and their prerogative on how far they are willing to go to help so I've respected that and let this go for now.

    That thread can be followed here: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/vintage-computing/old-ibm-compatible-pcxtat-cards/75/

    I've also emailed the computer historical museum since they seem to have these disks in their archives, but they have not responded - which is a shame since I would think they would be supportive of helping hobbyists in this regard.
    I've also been in touch with Mrs. Gaby Chaudry who maintains the website with a lot of Dan Maslin's archives. She graciously replied back and let me know she did not find these in her archives. She was highly expeditious and generous in her response
    which I deeply appreciated.

    So - I'll keep hunting as time permits - things like this usually materialize down the road when least expected - maybe someone someday will even see this thread and reach out :)

    -Alex

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  • From ldkraemer@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 19 05:58:00 2021
    Alex,
    From looking at the Imagedisk Photo that was attached in the eevblog, you can see what his problem was.
    The 5.25" floppy is either SS/DD or DS/DD and 250K if using a 360K Drive. (For a 1.2M Floppy Drive he would
    need Double Step Enabled (to skip every other track), and set the Transfer rate to 300K as per this following:
    [quote]
    4.3 Identifying an image

    If you receive a .IMD image and do not know what it contains, or
    what type of drive it should be created on, you can use the IMDU
    utility to learn more about the image:

    - Hopefully the COMMENT shown at the top of the listing will tell
    you what is contained in the image.

    - The summary near the end will show the number of tracks of side0
    and side1 information. If the disk contains only side0 tracks,
    then it is single-sided.

    - Look at the total number of cylinders for each side, normally:
    40 = 5.25" DD
    80 = 5.25" QD, 5.25" HD, 3.5" DD or 3.5"HD
    77 = 8"

    - Look at the transfer rate, normally:
    250kbps = 5.25" DD, 5.25" QD or 3.5" DD
    300kbps = 5.25" DD, 5.25" QD read on a 5.25" HD
    500kbps = 5.25" HD, 3.5" HD or 8"

    4.4 Writing a 250kbps image on a HD drive

    When an image which was recorded on a 5.25" DD or 5.25" QD drive
    at 250kbps is written on a 5.25" HD drive, it must be written at
    300kbps to account for the higher rotational speed of the HD
    drive.

    You must therefore use Settings to Translate 250kbps to 300kbps.

    For images containing 40 tracks (DD), you will also have to enable
    Double-Stepping in order to write the image correctly.

    See also the note on writing 40 track disks on 80 track drives.

    5.2 DD Transfer Rate (250kbps <> 300kbps)

    ImageDisk determines the correct transfer rate for your drive when
    reading a disk, and that transfer rate will be correct when
    writing the disk on the same drive, however the transfer rate may
    NOT be correct if you write the disk on a different drive type
    than it was originally read on.

    Specifically: Standard 5.25" DD drives operate at 250kbps, however
    HD 5.25" drives on a PC operate at 300kbps when operated in DD
    mode (this is because the drive rotates at 360rpm instead of 300
    rpm - the actual flux density transition rate on the media will be
    the same).

    A DD image read on a DD drive has a data rate of 250kbps. In order
    to write this to a HD drive, you need to write the data at
    300kbps. Use settings to select: 250 kbps -> : 300 kbps

    A DD image read on a HD drive has a data rate of 300kbps. In order
    to write this to a DD drive, you need to write the data at
    250kbps. Use settings to select: 300 kbps -> : 250 kbps

    When reading DD in a HD drive, I suggest setting: 300kbps ->
    250kbps The image will now indicate the normal DD data rate of
    250kbps (even though it was read on the HD drive), and will
    recreate correctly on a DD drive - HD users will have to set: 250
    kbps -> | 300 kbps.

    5.3 Double Stepping

    Although ImageDisk can determine that Double-Stepping is required
    when reading a disk (48tpi disk in 96tpi drive), it does not know
    what types of drives you are using, and therefore cannot tell when
    Double-Stepping is required when writing a disk.

    You must therefore set the Double-Stepping option correctly when
    writing an image back to a disk.


    3.7 Writing 40 track disks on 80 track drives.

    An 80 track drive has a narrower track width than a 40 track
    drive, which means that the track laid down by the head is thinner
    than that laid down by the head in a 40 track drive.

    When writing a disk in an 80 track drive which has previously been
    written on with a 40 track drive, some portion of the original 40
    track data will remain at the edges of the new thinner track.

    If you then attempt to read the disk in a 40 track drive, the head
    will see two conflicting signals which may cause read errors.

    It is best to use blank or bulk-erased disks when writing a
    40-track image to an 80-track drive.
    [/quote]

    So Close, but yet SO FAR from getting a good working copy. A Kryoflux, Supercard Pro,
    GreaseWeazle, or CatWeazle Mark IV would have already duplicated the Floppy(s).

    I'm thinking "Super Contributor", is a misnomer for such a simple task.

    Larry

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  • From ldkraemer@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 19 07:23:25 2021
    Alex,
    On second look, it does look correct so it should have created a good Image.
    I had a senior moment.

    Larry

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  • From Reviving Retro@21:1/5 to ldkr...@gmail.com on Sun Dec 19 11:18:57 2021
    On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 7:23:27 AM UTC-8, ldkr...@gmail.com wrote:
    Alex,
    On second look, it does look correct so it should have created a good Image. I had a senior moment.

    Larry

    I have those moments - they get plentier by the day LOL! :)

    I don't know his experience level, but I didn't want to push the OP
    I would have taken one of my legacy machines and used Rawwrite (think that's what he was trying to do but his legacy machine apparently has issues)
    Or I would have used linux at worst.

    I would have been happy to pay the OP for their time if they were experienced, but as they mentioned in a post, they already had 10 hours into this due to their legacy system issue.
    Don't wish to be on the hook for paying countless hours of someone's learning experience here for something I could have done in less than an hour, if you know what I mean :)
    Even at the lowest end of a $50-$200/hr scale that would have already amounted to $500 :)

    -Alex

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  • From ldkraemer@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 19 16:02:54 2021
    Alex,
    Yes, but what a shame to be so close to getting the software, and miss out on a very good chance of
    getting a copy. It should be Archived, so it is saved.

    Larry

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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Reviving Retro on Mon Dec 20 20:58:53 2021
    On 19/12/2021 17:14, Reviving Retro wrote:
    On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 10:51:06 AM UTC-8, Steven Hirsch wrote:
    If you succeed in finding the software (or docs) please consider submitting to
    Bitsavers, Internet Archive or other such site?

    I would absolutely share this Steve - I did ultimately come in contact with the gentleman who made the video, and he has original disks and manual but it seems to be highly time consuming for him to revive his old hardware to make an image/copy. While
    I offered to pay for his time, assuming it would be relatively simple to image/copy, his estimation is far too high to weigh the ROI on it for something that is more a personal wish for me and not a need. The gentleman is also concerned about the
    legality/liability of posting any of this in public domain.

    I don't like to push folks on this kind of thing - it's their property and their prerogative on how far they are willing to go to help so I've respected that and let this go for now.


    It's not as if anything is being pirated here. These are software drivers and instructions which is of use only to someone who has the hardware. Since the former can no longer be obtained from the manufacturer, all that's left is other
    owners.

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  • From Steven Hirsch@21:1/5 to Reviving Retro on Mon Dec 20 09:51:06 2021
    On 12/19/21 1:14 AM, Reviving Retro wrote:
    On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 10:51:06 AM UTC-8, Steven Hirsch wrote:
    If you succeed in finding the software (or docs) please consider
    submitting to Bitsavers, Internet Archive or other such site?

    I would absolutely share this Steve - I did ultimately come in contact with the gentleman who made the video, and he has original disks and manual but
    it seems to be highly time consuming for him to revive his old hardware to make an image/copy. While I offered to pay for his time, assuming it would
    be relatively simple to image/copy, his estimation is far too high to weigh the ROI on it for something that is more a personal wish for me and not a need. The gentleman is also concerned about the legality/liability of
    posting any of this in public domain.

    I don't like to push folks on this kind of thing - it's their property and their prerogative on how far they are willing to go to help so I've
    respected that and let this go for now.

    That thread can be followed here: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/vintage-computing/old-ibm-compatible-pcxtat-cards/75/
    Over the past couple of decades I've watched many pieces of software fade into the cosmic bitbucket because of infirmity, crises of conscience and - yes - innate flakiness on the part of the person who had them in their hands. In
    the last year alone, two individuals who never followed through on repeated promises to duplicate unicorn diskettes died unexpectedly with no plan in
    place for their hoards. Sad all around for everyone, but I guess this is just the way things go.

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  • From Alex Oliva@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 1 09:27:27 2023
    Yes, it's been over a year, but I wanted to finally close the loop on this thread!

    Though I recently sold this BYAD card, if anyone is looking to archive the software, it was recently posted here :

    http://bitsavers.org/pdf/byad/

    They contain the operating system (CP/M-2.20) and other associated programs for the BYAD PC/XT Z-80 card.
    Disk format is same as the old 8 x 512 sector PC-CP/M-86.

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