• Samsung account

    From Richmond@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 13 14:12:28 2024
    I don't remember why I did it, but I created a Samsung account, probably
    I thought it would be useful or helpful. But then I got pestered for
    ages about agreeing to new terms and conditions. Eventually I signed in
    and agreed to them because there was no way to stop the
    notifications. Then I got pestered with notices about logging into my
    account, although it wasn't me, it was the phone. I've now deleted my
    Samsung account but I wonder what the point of it was, and why I
    couldn't turn of notifications? I would ask Samsung but it seems they
    don't like people contacting them.

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Richmond on Wed Mar 13 16:09:15 2024
    On 3/13/24 7:12 AM, Richmond wrote:

    I don't remember why I did it, but I created a Samsung account, probably
    I thought it would be useful or helpful. But then I got pestered for
    ages about agreeing to new terms and conditions. Eventually I signed in
    and agreed to them because there was no way to stop the
    notifications. Then I got pestered with notices about logging into my >account, although it wasn't me, it was the phone. I've now deleted my
    Samsung account but I wonder what the point of it was, and why I
    couldn't turn of notifications? I would ask Samsung but it seems they
    don't like people contacting them.

    I'm posting this with a Samsung Galaxy S9FE tablet which I recently
    acquired. Likewise it kept bugging me to turn on the Samsung account. I
    have a Samsung Galaxy S10+ phone so I went through the same thing with it
    some years back. My solution was to use my fake name and email and sign in
    then, and so did it again with this tablet. No more bugging and everything
    is working fine. If you can't fight it, join it... ;)

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Richmond on Wed Mar 13 16:37:31 2024
    Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
    I don't remember why I did it, but I created a Samsung account, probably
    I thought it would be useful or helpful. But then I got pestered for
    ages about agreeing to new terms and conditions. Eventually I signed in
    and agreed to them because there was no way to stop the
    notifications. Then I got pestered with notices about logging into my account, although it wasn't me, it was the phone. I've now deleted my
    Samsung account but I wonder what the point of it was, and why I
    couldn't turn of notifications? I would ask Samsung but it seems they
    don't like people contacting them.

    You use/need a Samsung account for Samsung services like Samsung
    Cloud, Samsung Pass, Find My Mobile. Samsung apps and services, etc..

    See Settings -> Accounts and backup -> Mange accounts -> <your>
    Samsung account -> General -> My profile -> Apps and features.

    Of course it's up to you if you want/need any of these services.

    I only use Samsung Pass (and 'hence' Samsung Cloud).

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  • From Stefan Ram@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Wed Mar 13 16:59:45 2024
    Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote or quoted:
    Of course it's up to you if you want/need any of these services.

    One never knows! Once a man had a Samsung mobile device
    with a key called "Bixby". Pressing it would interrupt his
    current activity with a display error. So, the man might
    have thought about fixing it with some adhesive. But wait!

    One day, his power button broke. That was bad, because he
    needed the device immediately. But he had deactivated the
    function for switching on via the touch-sensitive screen.
    The volume button would not switch the device on either.

    But the Bixby button switched the device on! So after
    many years, a use for this button was discovered. It's
    a spare power button in case the main power button breaks.

    Thank you for your foresight, Samsung!

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Stefan Ram on Wed Mar 13 17:50:07 2024
    Stefan Ram wrote on 13 Mar 2024 16:59:45 GMT :

    Thank you for your foresight, Samsung!

    I don't do anything lightly, and certainly I don't create an account on my phone (or on the Internet) just because a marketing company tells me to.

    An account is like livestock. It doesn't get to live on the farm unless it gives something to me that I want. Not only what the livestock wants.

    When I first bought a Samsung phone, this Samsung Account question popped
    up, which, since I make informed decisions, I googled & asked experts
    about.

    Since I have no accounts on my phone (for privacy reasons), I asked the question over on XDA long ago of what good the Samstung Store was.

    Everyone has different reasons, as with Frank & the Samsung Cloud or AJL in
    the case of just doing everything that he's told by marketing to do or
    Stefan (maybe it will be useful some day) or Jesper (just to get rid of the nagging - which doesn't exist by the way) or Richmond (who found out that
    the nagging is _only_ if you're already registered for the darn account!).

    All those reasons are human.
    Mine are two. Literally. Two.
    1. There's nothing in the Samsung account that I can't easily get w/o it.
    2. There is inherent privacy in having zero accounts set up on the phone.

    As for the former, what people said on XDA was some liked "Good Lock"
    (which allows you to customize your phone, but so do other apps). The fact
    that Samsung keeps changing the name is indicative of problem though.

    Many articles say it's the first app to add to a Samsung phone for example. https://www.tomsguide.com/how-to/samsung-galaxy-good-lock-guide

    See also NiceLock alternatives. https://xdaforums.com/t/app-v2-8-20-03-nicelock-good-lock-2020-launcher-w-update-notifications.3908648/

    Other than GoodLock (which you can get the functionality of elsewhere),
    I found no reason to add the Samsung Account - where - contrary to what
    some people said prior in this thread - there is no nagging anywhere.

    It's as if the Samsung Account simply does not exist.

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Andrew on Wed Mar 13 12:55:13 2024
    On 3/13/2024 10:50 AM, Andrew wrote:

    Since I have no accounts on my phone (for privacy reasons), I asked
    the question over on XDA long ago of what good the Samstung Store
    was.

    Everyone has different reasons, as with Frank & the Samsung Cloud or
    AJL in the case of just doing everything that he's told by
    marketing...

    Got that wrong. Samsung marketing certainly didn't instruct me to sign
    in with fake credentials. But the fake credentials did give me access to
    the Samsung Store which I didn't have before. However so far I've not
    seen anything I need or that I haven't already gotten from the (gasp)
    Google Play Store. Scary, huh Arlen... 8-O

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  • From Richmond@21:1/5 to AJL on Wed Mar 13 20:08:45 2024
    AJL <noemail@none.com> writes:

    On 3/13/2024 10:50 AM, Andrew wrote:

    Since I have no accounts on my phone (for privacy reasons), I asked
    the question over on XDA long ago of what good the Samstung Store
    was.

    Everyone has different reasons, as with Frank & the Samsung Cloud or
    AJL in the case of just doing everything that he's told by
    marketing...

    Got that wrong. Samsung marketing certainly didn't instruct me to sign
    in with fake credentials. But the fake credentials did give me access
    to the Samsung Store which I didn't have before. However so far I've
    not seen anything I need or that I haven't already gotten from the
    (gasp) Google Play Store. Scary, huh Arlen... 8-O

    Ah, perhaps that is the answer to my question. Perhaps I created an
    account to access the Samsung store. I am using the Samsung phone app
    because it is the only way to switch on wifi calling (that I know
    about). I guess without a Samsung account, Samsung apps won't ever be
    updated.

    Samsung should decide what they want to do, replace google or leave it
    to google, it's a bit half-way house at the moment. The store quite
    often says there are updates and then says it cannot update because the
    apps are from google. So why bother to notify?

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Richmond on Wed Mar 13 13:40:07 2024
    On 3/13/2024 1:08 PM, Richmond wrote:

    Samsung should decide what they want to do, replace google or leave
    it to google, it's a bit half-way house at the moment.

    I think competition is good. I'm glad to have 2 stores to pick from.

    The store quite often says there are updates and then says it cannot
    update because the apps are from google. So why bother to notify?

    Yup. Things can get confusing. Just go to the Play Store and update it.
    I have another similar situation:

    I have several Amazon Fire tablets that I sideloaded the Google Play
    Store on. And sometimes the Google Play Store wants to update the Amazon AppStore apps and the Amazon AppStore wants to update the Google Play
    Store apps. Complicated. I solved it by not allowing either store to automatically update any apps and do just it manually as needed.

    The Amazon Fire OS is an older forked version of Android and so its
    AppStore apps are often older versions of the same apps the Play Store
    has. Thus sometimes I don't want the newer version updates.

    IMO the Amazon tablets are the best in their price class and their only
    fault was in lacking Google's facilities (like Gmail, the Chrome
    browser, etc.).

    BTW If anyone is interested in the conversion, Google it (of course).
    It's very easy to do, just downloading 4 files and installing them...

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  • From Richmond@21:1/5 to AJL on Wed Mar 13 20:57:37 2024
    AJL <noemail@none.com> writes:

    On 3/13/2024 1:08 PM, Richmond wrote:

    Samsung should decide what they want to do, replace google or leave
    it to google, it's a bit half-way house at the moment.

    I think competition is good. I'm glad to have 2 stores to pick from.

    The store quite often says there are updates and then says it cannot
    update because the apps are from google. So why bother to notify?

    Yup. Things can get confusing. Just go to the Play Store and update
    it.

    I can't because the playstore has an older version.

    I have another similar situation:


    I have several Amazon Fire tablets that I sideloaded the Google Play
    Store on. And sometimes the Google Play Store wants to update the
    Amazon AppStore apps and the Amazon AppStore wants to update the
    Google Play Store apps. Complicated. I solved it by not allowing
    either store to automatically update any apps and do just it manually
    as needed.

    The Amazon Fire OS is an older forked version of Android and so its
    AppStore apps are often older versions of the same apps the Play Store
    has. Thus sometimes I don't want the newer version updates.

    IMO the Amazon tablets are the best in their price class and their
    only fault was in lacking Google's facilities (like Gmail, the Chrome browser, etc.).

    BTW If anyone is interested in the conversion, Google it (of course).
    It's very easy to do, just downloading 4 files and installing them...

    I've been down that road and decided against it. You have to be very
    trustful of those things you are downloading and installing, and you
    have to include google play services or apps which use it will become
    slow.

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to AJL on Wed Mar 13 16:14:05 2024
    AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

    On 3/13/24 7:12 AM, Richmond wrote:

    I don't remember why I did it, but I created a Samsung account, probably
    I thought it would be useful or helpful. But then I got pestered for
    ages about agreeing to new terms and conditions. Eventually I signed in
    and agreed to them because there was no way to stop the
    notifications. Then I got pestered with notices about logging into my >>account, although it wasn't me, it was the phone. I've now deleted my >>Samsung account but I wonder what the point of it was, and why I
    couldn't turn of notifications? I would ask Samsung but it seems they
    don't like people contacting them.

    I'm posting this with a Samsung Galaxy S9FE tablet which I recently
    acquired. Likewise it kept bugging me to turn on the Samsung account. I
    have a Samsung Galaxy S10+ phone so I went through the same thing with it
    some years back. My solution was to use my fake name and email and sign in
    then, and so did it again with this tablet. No more bugging and everything
    is working fine. If you can't fight it, join it... ;)

    The notifications are via e-mail instead of SMS text?

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Wed Mar 13 14:32:11 2024
    On 3/13/2024 2:14 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

    On 3/13/24 7:12 AM, Richmond wrote:

    I don't remember why I did it, but I created a Samsung account, probably >>> I thought it would be useful or helpful. But then I got pestered for
    ages about agreeing to new terms and conditions. Eventually I signed in
    and agreed to them because there was no way to stop the
    notifications. Then I got pestered with notices about logging into my
    account, although it wasn't me, it was the phone. I've now deleted my
    Samsung account but I wonder what the point of it was, and why I
    couldn't turn of notifications? I would ask Samsung but it seems they
    don't like people contacting them.

    I'm posting this with a Samsung Galaxy S9FE tablet which I recently
    acquired. Likewise it kept bugging me to turn on the Samsung account. I
    have a Samsung Galaxy S10+ phone so I went through the same thing with it >> some years back. My solution was to use my fake name and email and sign in >> then, and so did it again with this tablet. No more bugging and everything >> is working fine. If you can't fight it, join it... ;)

    The notifications are via e-mail instead of SMS text?

    For me the "bugging" was through various popups on the device. So far no
    email on my fake account after my latest sign-in and no text since they
    don't have my phone number. Dunno about Richmond...

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Richmond on Wed Mar 13 14:24:34 2024
    On 3/13/2024 1:57 PM, Richmond wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.com> writes:

    On 3/13/2024 1:08 PM, Richmond wrote:

    Samsung should decide what they want to do, replace google or leave
    it to google, it's a bit half-way house at the moment.

    I think competition is good. I'm glad to have 2 stores to pick from.

    The store quite often says there are updates and then says it cannot
    update because the apps are from google. So why bother to notify?

    Yup. Things can get confusing. Just go to the Play Store and update
    it.

    I can't because the playstore has an older version.

    Ah. Try a force stop on the Samsung Store app. On my Samsung tablet you
    hold down the Store app icon, when the popup occurs tap the i in the
    circle (upper right), then tap Force Stop (lower right). Hopefully it
    won't revive or bother you again until you once again tap the Store's
    icon...

    If that works you'll be back to the one Google store which I think is
    what you want?

    I have another similar situation:


    I have several Amazon Fire tablets that I sideloaded the Google Play
    Store on. And sometimes the Google Play Store wants to update the
    Amazon AppStore apps and the Amazon AppStore wants to update the
    Google Play Store apps. Complicated. I solved it by not allowing
    either store to automatically update any apps and do just it manually
    as needed.

    The Amazon Fire OS is an older forked version of Android and so its
    AppStore apps are often older versions of the same apps the Play Store
    has. Thus sometimes I don't want the newer version updates.

    IMO the Amazon tablets are the best in their price class and their
    only fault was in lacking Google's facilities (like Gmail, the Chrome
    browser, etc.).

    BTW If anyone is interested in the conversion, Google it (of course).
    It's very easy to do, just downloading 4 files and installing them...

    I've been down that road and decided against it. You have to be very
    trustful of those things you are downloading and installing, and you
    have to include google play services or apps which use it will become
    slow.

    Google Play Services is one of the 4 files I mentioned above.

    I've been using the hack for a few years now with no problems or
    complaints from Google (or Amazon). I'm kinda surprised that Amazon
    allows it on their tablets but I'm up to date on their latest OS updates
    and still no problems...

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  • From Richmond@21:1/5 to AJL on Wed Mar 13 22:26:17 2024
    AJL <noemail@none.com> writes:

    On 3/13/2024 2:14 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

    On 3/13/24 7:12 AM, Richmond wrote:

    I don't remember why I did it, but I created a Samsung account,
    probably I thought it would be useful or helpful. But then I got
    pestered for ages about agreeing to new terms and
    conditions. Eventually I signed in and agreed to them because there
    was no way to stop the notifications. Then I got pestered with
    notices about logging into my account, although it wasn't me, it
    was the phone. I've now deleted my Samsung account but I wonder
    what the point of it was, and why I couldn't turn of notifications?
    I would ask Samsung but it seems they don't like people contacting
    them.

    I'm posting this with a Samsung Galaxy S9FE tablet which I recently
    acquired. Likewise it kept bugging me to turn on the Samsung
    account. I have a Samsung Galaxy S10+ phone so I went through the
    same thing with it some years back. My solution was to use my fake
    name and email and sign in then, and so did it again with this
    tablet. No more bugging and everything is working fine. If you
    can't fight it, join it... ;)

    The notifications are via e-mail instead of SMS text?

    For me the "bugging" was through various popups on the device. So far
    no email on my fake account after my latest sign-in and no text since
    they don't have my phone number. Dunno about Richmond...

    As far as I remember they were notifications, but when I went into the notifications options they were not listed so I couldn't block them or
    see what app they were coming from. I have now created a new account...

    (What is a fake account? if you have access to the email then it isn't
    fake?)

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Richmond on Wed Mar 13 22:49:52 2024
    Richmond wrote on Wed, 13 Mar 2024 22:26:17 +0000 :

    As far as I remember they were notifications, but when I went into the notifications options they were not listed so I couldn't block them or
    see what app they were coming from. I have now created a new account

    You can set up a one-tap shortcut to ALL your notification history.
    It has been discussed many times on this newsgroup how to do that.

    Note I have one-tap shortcuts to both the "Notification log" and to the "Notification history" both of which are on Android Samsung phones.

    I'm not really sure what the difference is, but tapping my one-tap
    shortcuts to each, I see my Notification log is much more detailed than my Notification history but I'd have to dig into the intents to see exactly
    which activity each of them calls (as I forgot since I set it up long ago).

    Actually, since I try to always be helpful and to save others the time and effort to figure things out that I already figured out, I looked at the
    intent of the shortcuts.

    The Notification log brings up this Android activity in my shortcut. com.android.settings/com.android.settings.Settings$NotificationStationActivity

    The Notification history brings up this Android activity in my shortcut. com.android.settings/com.android.settings.notification.history.NotificationHistoryActivity

    Please keep in mind that any setting you use more than once a day
    you probably want to put into a folder of shortcuts for easy access.

    That way, every setting you use a lot is a single tap away at all times.
    (This has been discussed a hundred times already so that's all you need.)

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to AJL on Wed Mar 13 22:37:01 2024
    AJL wrote on Wed, 13 Mar 2024 14:24:34 -0700 :

    If that works you'll be back to the one Google store which I think is
    what you want?

    I read the prior four responses which didn't address the privacy issues.

    As I said, marketing wants you to keep their brand of horses and cows and
    emus and chickens and jaguars and elephants and mice on your farm but my
    rule is that nothing gets to live on my farm unless it gives back to me.

    I don't care that marketing uses it to gather data on me to sell to others.

    However, since I have a Samsung, I was asked in the beginning to set up the Samsung Account, which I never did - and I never get any nags at all. Ever.

    To make good decisions, when I asked on XDA what good is the Samsung Store, respondents only found one app that they found useful on the Samsung Store
    and even what that one app does can be replicated without Samsung involved.

    To make even better decisions, I googled what the world thinks of it.
    When I googled, a similar answer ensued (see prior referenced cites).

    And yet, since marketing tells people what to do and they do it, I'm sure
    there are millions of Samsung Accounts gathering data every single day.

    Not me. I make good decisions. And I don't do anything just because
    marketing tells me to do it. I leave that for the other people to do.

    Yet, for the one seemingly technical question of setting Wi-Fi calling on
    the Samsung phone, I can't imagine that's the only way to do it, since I
    can set Wi-Fi calling with one button tap (without the Samsung Account) so
    I'm not sure what that complaint is all about (on Android 13 at least).

    You just make a desktop shortcut to Settings > Connections > Wi-Fi Calling.
    But maybe I misunderstood what the problem was as that's just too easy.

    If someone can justify a Samsung Account on their phone that makes sense to
    me (in that I can't get that function any other way), then I'll be all ears since I love functionality on a phone just as much as anyone else loves it.

    I just happen to not want to trade my privacy for what marketing wants me
    to do (and which I can get, anyway, without trading it for my privacy).

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Andrew on Wed Mar 13 16:38:15 2024
    On 3/13/2024 3:37 PM, Andrew wrote:
    AJL wrote on Wed, 13 Mar 2024 14:24:34 -0700 :

    And yet, since marketing tells people what to do and they do it, I'm sure there are millions of Samsung Accounts gathering data every single day.

    Do you use a credit card? Go to the doctor? Have a bank account? Have a
    cell phone? Etc etc. Unless you live in a cave your life is already
    online. Samsung is just one of hundreds... (And worse, unlike Samsung,
    my bank, doctor, CC, etc all know my real name)... 8-O

    I just happen to not want to trade my privacy for what marketing wants me
    to do (and which I can get, anyway, without trading it for my privacy).

    Online privacy in the modern world?? I could have total privacy by
    putting on the blinders too...

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Richmond on Wed Mar 13 16:38:17 2024
    On 3/13/2024 3:26 PM, Richmond wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.com> writes:

    On 3/13/2024 2:14 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

    On 3/13/24 7:12 AM, Richmond wrote:

    I don't remember why I did it, but I created a Samsung account,
    probably I thought it would be useful or helpful. But then I got
    pestered for ages about agreeing to new terms and
    conditions. Eventually I signed in and agreed to them because there
    was no way to stop the notifications. Then I got pestered with
    notices about logging into my account, although it wasn't me, it
    was the phone. I've now deleted my Samsung account but I wonder
    what the point of it was, and why I couldn't turn of notifications?
    I would ask Samsung but it seems they don't like people contacting
    them.

    I'm posting this with a Samsung Galaxy S9FE tablet which I recently
    acquired. Likewise it kept bugging me to turn on the Samsung
    account. I have a Samsung Galaxy S10+ phone so I went through the
    same thing with it some years back. My solution was to use my fake
    name and email and sign in then, and so did it again with this
    tablet. No more bugging and everything is working fine. If you
    can't fight it, join it... ;)

    The notifications are via e-mail instead of SMS text?

    For me the "bugging" was through various popups on the device. So far
    no email on my fake account after my latest sign-in and no text since
    they don't have my phone number. Dunno about Richmond...

    As far as I remember they were notifications, but when I went into the notifications options they were not listed so I couldn't block them or
    see what app they were coming from. I have now created a new account...

    (What is a fake account? if you have access to the email then it isn't
    fake?)

    It is a Gmail account that uses a fake name. And (don't tell anyone) but
    the fake name that I use has the initials AJL... ;)

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to AJL on Wed Mar 13 23:51:10 2024
    AJL wrote on Wed, 13 Mar 2024 16:38:15 -0700 :

    And yet, since marketing tells people what to do and they do it, I'm sure
    there are millions of Samsung Accounts gathering data every single day.

    Do you use a credit card? Go to the doctor? Have a bank account? Have a
    cell phone? Etc etc. Unless you live in a cave your life is already
    online. Samsung is just one of hundreds... (And worse, unlike Samsung,
    my bank, doctor, CC, etc all know my real name)... 8-O

    I've heard many people say that privacy is too hard for them, so I believe
    that you gave up long ago, just as most Russians gave up thinking long ago.

    I just happen to not want to trade my privacy for what marketing wants me
    to do (and which I can get, anyway, without trading it for my privacy).

    Online privacy in the modern world?? I could have total privacy by
    putting on the blinders too...

    It's easy to be a serf of marketing. Takes nothing. No effort. No brains.
    It's a lot harder not to be one.

    If you can list something of value in having a Samsung Account that is
    worth the loss in privacy, I'm all ears as I've asked for that long ago.

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Andrew on Wed Mar 13 17:19:51 2024
    On 3/13/2024 4:51 PM, Andrew wrote:
    AJL wrote on Wed, 13 Mar 2024 16:38:15 -0700 :

    And yet, since marketing tells people what to do and they do it, I'm sure >>> there are millions of Samsung Accounts gathering data every single day.

    Do you use a credit card? Go to the doctor? Have a bank account? Have a
    cell phone? Etc etc. Unless you live in a cave your life is already
    online. Samsung is just one of hundreds... (And worse, unlike Samsung,
    my bank, doctor, CC, etc all know my real name)... 8-O

    I've heard many people say that privacy is too hard for them, so I believe that you gave up long ago

    Gave up? No. I do conceal my ID when possible and/or necessary. And I
    noticed that you conveniently avoided commenting on your un-private
    online profile (CC, doctor, bank, phone, etc etc.). Understood.

    I just happen to not want to trade my privacy for what marketing wants me >>> to do (and which I can get, anyway, without trading it for my privacy).

    Online privacy in the modern world?? I could have total privacy by
    putting on the blinders too...

    It's easy to be a serf of marketing. Takes nothing. No effort. No brains. It's a lot harder not to be one.

    If you can list something of value in having a Samsung Account that is
    worth the loss in privacy, I'm all ears as I've asked for that long ago.

    In my case it was mainly a Samsung tablet pop-up stopper with the added advantage of having the Samsung app store made available. As to privacy,
    AJL has never complained about its loss to me...

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to AJL on Thu Mar 14 00:29:48 2024
    AJL wrote on Wed, 13 Mar 2024 17:19:51 -0700 :

    I've heard many people say that privacy is too hard for them, so I believe >> that you gave up long ago

    Gave up? No. I do conceal my ID when possible and/or necessary. And I
    noticed that you conveniently avoided commenting on your un-private
    online profile (CC, doctor, bank, phone, etc etc.). Understood.

    Your argument is absurd for two reasons that should have been obvious.
    1. You're comparing the utility of a doctor bank and CC to a Samsung app?
    (that's preposterous)
    2. You're assuming I have a CC on my phone, a banking app on my phone,
    a credit card on my phone, etc.). I do not. Nor on the Internet.

    If someone wants to hack into that information, they'll have to get it
    directly from my doctor, my bank and my credit card company.

    However, I understand where you're coming from because most people are like
    you are. Most people don't ever think about what it is that they're doing.

    Most people do exactly what the marketing organizations tell them to do.
    So I get it that you're butt hurt that I said you aren't thinking.

    But comparing the utility of a Samsung Account to a Doctor's Visit is
    not going to impress me that you're making good decisions. It's just not.

    Give me an argument that makes sense and I'm all ears.

    I just happen to not want to trade my privacy for what marketing wants me >>>> to do (and which I can get, anyway, without trading it for my privacy). >>>
    Online privacy in the modern world?? I could have total privacy by
    putting on the blinders too...

    It's easy to be a serf of marketing. Takes nothing. No effort. No brains.
    It's a lot harder not to be one.

    If you can list something of value in having a Samsung Account that is
    worth the loss in privacy, I'm all ears as I've asked for that long ago.

    In my case it was mainly a Samsung tablet pop-up stopper with the added advantage of having the Samsung app store made available. As to privacy,
    AJL has never complained about its loss to me...

    OK. I still maintain that if you can find something inside the Samsung
    Account that is worth the loss of privacy, I'd be all ears if it made sense
    (as I asked the same question the first time I got a Samsung years ago).

    Most people are like Russian serfs.
    They do whatever they're told to do.

    It's the easy way out for them.
    In a way, I envy people who never stop to think what it is they're doing.

    Life must be so idyllic for them, as it is with the common Russian serfs.

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Andrew on Wed Mar 13 19:32:41 2024
    On 3/13/2024 5:29 PM, Andrew wrote:
    AJL wrote on Wed, 13 Mar 2024 17:19:51 -0700 :

    I noticed that you conveniently avoided commenting on your
    un-private online profile (CC, doctor, bank, phone, etc etc.).
    Understood.

    Your argument is absurd for two reasons that should have been
    obvious. 1. You're comparing the utility of a doctor bank and CC to a
    Samsung app? (that's preposterous)

    Nope. I just said your life is already online and available to hacks
    if you use those things.

    2. You're assuming I have a CC on my phone, a banking app on my
    phone, a credit card on my phone, etc.). I do not. Nor on the
    Internet.

    Nope. Your phone has nothing to do with it. If you use the above
    services, phone or no phone, your life is online and available to hacks.

    If someone wants to hack into that information, they'll have to get
    it directly from my doctor,

    My doctors use 3rd party online sites to carry on business where I can
    make appointments, see diagnosis, pay co-pays, communicate with their
    offices, etc. Unless you're seeing country hicks I'll bet yours do too.

    So I get it that you're butt hurt that I said you aren't thinking.

    Using insults instead of facts and logic is a show of poor thinking.

    But comparing the utility of a Samsung Account to a Doctor's Visit is
    not going to impress me that you're making good decisions. It's just
    not.

    No doctor's visits were mentioned. Only doctor's (and other services)
    online records

    Give me an argument that makes sense and I'm all ears.

    I did.

    In my case it was mainly a Samsung tablet pop-up stopper with the
    added advantage of having the Samsung app store made available. As
    to privacy, AJL has never complained about its loss to me...

    OK. I still maintain that if you can find something inside the
    Samsung Account that is worth the loss of privacy, I'd be all ears if
    it made sense (as I asked the same question the first time I got a
    Samsung years ago).

    I explained my reason for opening a fake Samsung account last time.
    Reread my answer 2 paragraphs above. As to any privacy paranoia, YMMV...

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Andrew on Thu Mar 14 15:15:08 2024
    Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    AJL wrote on Wed, 13 Mar 2024 17:19:51 -0700 :

    I've heard many people say that privacy is too hard for them, so I believe >> that you gave up long ago

    Gave up? No. I do conceal my ID when possible and/or necessary. And I noticed that you conveniently avoided commenting on your un-private
    online profile (CC, doctor, bank, phone, etc etc.). Understood.

    Your argument is absurd for two reasons that should have been obvious.
    1. You're comparing the utility of a doctor bank and CC to a Samsung app?
    (that's preposterous)
    2. You're assuming I have a CC on my phone, a banking app on my phone,
    a credit card on my phone, etc.). I do not. Nor on the Internet.

    If someone wants to hack into that information, they'll have to get it directly from my doctor, my bank and my credit card company.

    Well, some of your fellow paranoids claim that - in the US - such organizations are also selling your 'personal'/'private' [1] data.

    Face it, as AJL hints at, that information is just on a *different*
    server - than Samsung's, Google's, etc. ad infinitum - over which you
    *also* have *absolutely no* control.

    Sweet dreams!

    [1] Scare quotes, because - contrary to popular FUD, urban legend,
    hearsay, etc. - the big tech companies have very little *actual* personal/private data.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to AJL on Thu Mar 14 15:39:14 2024
    AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
    On 3/13/2024 4:51 PM, Andrew wrote:
    AJL wrote on Wed, 13 Mar 2024 16:38:15 -0700 :

    And yet, since marketing tells people what to do and they do it, I'm sure >>> there are millions of Samsung Accounts gathering data every single day. >>
    Do you use a credit card? Go to the doctor? Have a bank account? Have a
    cell phone? Etc etc. Unless you live in a cave your life is already
    online. Samsung is just one of hundreds... (And worse, unlike Samsung,
    my bank, doctor, CC, etc all know my real name)... 8-O

    I've heard many people say that privacy is too hard for them, so I believe that you gave up long ago

    Gave up? No. I do conceal my ID when possible and/or necessary. And I
    noticed that you conveniently avoided commenting on your un-private
    online profile (CC, doctor, bank, phone, etc etc.). Understood.

    Yep. The old trick of ignoring what you can't counter. How pathetic.

    And the keep-footstamping trick right after that.

    [...]

    If you can list something of value in having a Samsung Account that is worth the loss in privacy, I'm all ears as I've asked for that long ago.

    In my case it was mainly a Samsung tablet pop-up stopper with the added advantage of having the Samsung app store made available. As to privacy,
    AJL has never complained about its loss to me...

    Yep. The 'loss of privacy' false dilemma.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Richmond on Thu Mar 14 15:30:29 2024
    Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
    [...]

    Ah, perhaps that is the answer to my question. Perhaps I created an
    account to access the Samsung store.

    You probably were asked to create the Samsung Account when you set up
    the phone.

    In my notes, it says that during setup there was a prompt to login to
    my Samsung Account. That prompt probably also had a link to create an
    account. (I already had a Samsung Account, because I bought the phone
    with a cashback.)

    I am using the Samsung phone app
    because it is the only way to switch on wifi calling (that I know
    about). I guess without a Samsung account, Samsung apps won't ever be updated.

    As Another Poster (TM) :-) said, you can switch off Wi-Fi calling in Settings.

    But the simplest way is probably: On the home or app screen, swipe
    down from the top till you get the panel with the function buttons such
    as Sound, Airplane mode, Location, etc.. Swipe that panel to the left
    several times, till you see the 'Wi-Fi Calling'. Tap it to toggle it
    off.

    [...]

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Thu Mar 14 17:55:34 2024
    Frank Slootweg wrote on 14 Mar 2024 15:15:08 GMT :

    Face it, as AJL hints at, that information is just on a *different*
    server - than Samsung's, Google's, etc. ad infinitum - over which you
    *also* have *absolutely no* control.

    I am nothing but logical, Frank. Hence I agree with your main premise.
    Only a fool disagrees with a sensible logical premise. And I'm no fool.

    Hence, you are correct. But you extended it too much.
    As did AJL.

    What AJL said, in essence, was
    A. They already got him.
    B. So he just gave up.
    C. *And in doing so, he make it WORSE by putting it on his phone*!

    That's OK for some people like you and for AJL.
    But that's not OK for me.

    I don't give up - I just fight back differently.
    You give up. AJL gives up. I fight back differently.

    Your mistake isn't in your initial logic.
    It's in extending that initial logic to your cell phone.

    Don't do that.
    Specifically, Don't extend the threat to your vulnerable phone!

    1. Your data that the bank holds is definitely subject to hacks
    2. But they pay people a lot of money to mitigate that risk
    3. Your cell phone has NONE of those IT people mitigating risk
    (All your cell phone has for an IT person, is little ole' you.)

    If you think I'm not aware of all that, then it's you who is dreaming.

    There's nothing wrong with your logic at the top level, since EVERY
    database WILL (likely) be hacked (eventually) but what's wrong with your argument is EXTENDING it naively to the smart phone.

    Which has no IT department defending it.

    Your argument is essentially only 1/2 of mine, which is:
    A. You say every database will (likely) be hacked (which I agree),
    B. And then (because of that) you extend it to the phone (which I don't).

    You're thinking correctly - but you're extending too far.
    I don't put anything on the phone that I can't easily lose.
    1. No accounts.
    2. No login apps (e.g., banks, credit cards, nothing)
    3. No way of paying for anything (accidental payment is disabled)
    4. No way of logging into anything automatically

    (Of course, I have web browsers, which "can" log into stuff;
    but I don't log into anything on the phone that I can think of.)

    Hell, I don't even have a PIN on my phone (I don't live in a slum).
    I keep the phone as a private citadel.
    Sort of like how landline telephones were in the olden days.

    The only thing they know is the stuff I can't change.
    a. the phone number, make/model, carrier, IMEI, etc.
    b. the IP address when on cellular
    c. I do change my broadcasts to NOT shout out my hidden SSIDs
    etc.

    I consciously feed everything bogus data if it asks for such things.

    It's why (almost) NOBODY gets my SSN (not even the state I live in when I signed up for my drivers license from another state - where I said I never
    had a drivers license and so I had to start the entire process anew, like a
    17 year old kid would - simply because I wanted to give them a bogus SSN).

    The only people who get "correct" ID information are people who
    a) will check it (e.g., passport information), or,
    b) people who need it (e.g., my federal taxes), or,
    c) people who need it by law (e.g., police, fire, etc.).

    (Even 911 location though is disabled.)

    I've been privacy aware for a long time, which is why I maintain separate
    email accounts for people who ask but who don't need it, and even then,
    since they're protonmail, I always enter via a tor browser every time.

    Anyway, the number of privacy things I do on a phone will number probably
    in the scores to nearly a hundred (or whatever it is), which is about 99
    more things than you or AJL can comprehend so it's no use explaining to
    you.

    In summary, you are correct in overall logic but wrong in implementation.
    1. You are completely correct that data someone else holds is hackable.
    2. But you went too far as to give up when it comes to protecting the phone

    Your mistake isn't in the logic but in the implementation.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Thu Mar 14 18:26:19 2024
    Frank Slootweg wrote on 14 Mar 2024 15:30:29 GMT :

    But the simplest way is probably: On the home or app screen, swipe
    down from the top till you get the panel with the function buttons such
    as Sound, Airplane mode, Location, etc.. Swipe that panel to the left
    several times, till you see the 'Wi-Fi Calling'. Tap it to toggle it
    off.

    I'll agree with anyone who states a logical sensible viewpoint.

    It's certainly the simplest, but the most efficient way (IMHO) is to create
    a one-tap shortcut and put it into your wi-fi folder for quick easy use.

    Wi-Fi Calling
    com.sec.unifiedwfc/com.sec.unifiedwfc.LaunchUnifiedActivity

    I doubt more than Andy Burns and a couple of others even understands what I just said (do you, Frank?) where the point I agree with you on is that a Samsung Account and Samsung app is NOT needed to bring up the Wi-Fi calling on/off switch activity.

    If there's something useful in a Samsung Account, I haven't found it yet
    (that I can't get elsewhere without that Samsung Account on my phone.)

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Andrew on Thu Mar 14 18:27:48 2024
    Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    Frank Slootweg wrote on 14 Mar 2024 15:15:08 GMT :

    Face it, as AJL hints at, that information is just on a *different* server - than Samsung's, Google's, etc. ad infinitum - over which you *also* have *absolutely no* control.

    I am nothing but logical, Frank. Hence I agree with your main premise.
    Only a fool disagrees with a sensible logical premise. And I'm no fool.

    You dishonestly, 'conveniently' snip, without comment, you lose. End
    of story.

    As we've shown, you're anything *but* logical. And if you feel you
    have to say "And I'm no fool.", ...

    [More of the usual rants, footstamping, whingeing, etc. deleted.]

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Thu Mar 14 18:20:18 2024
    Frank Slootweg wrote on 14 Mar 2024 15:39:14 GMT :

    Gave up? No. I do conceal my ID when possible and/or necessary. And I
    noticed that you conveniently avoided commenting on your un-private
    online profile (CC, doctor, bank, phone, etc etc.). Understood.

    Yep. The old trick of ignoring what you can't counter. How pathetic.

    I addressed all his issues, Frank, so you're just wrong.

    And what's "pathetic" is the (paraphrased) claim that AJL's medical data is
    as important as AJL's Samsung app to turn the WI-Fi off - and worse -
    they're so equal in AJL's mindset that he feels he MUST store all his
    medical data on his phone.

    That is essentially AJL's entire argument - which I find absurd.

    AJL then extended that same argument to his credit card and then to his
    bank accounts - but the argument that they're as important as a silly
    Samsung app that isn't even needed is - is only 1/3rd of what's absurd.

    The other 1/3 which is absurd is that AJL just gave up because he considers
    all data of equal importance, and the last 1/3rd is as a result, AJL feels
    he MUST put all his data on his smartphone (which has no IT department).

    That is AJL's argument, paraphrased in a nutshell - which - is pathetic.
    But you used the word "pathetic" - whereas I simply claim it's "absurd".

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  • From Richmond@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Thu Mar 14 19:32:04 2024
    Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> writes:

    Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
    [...]

    Ah, perhaps that is the answer to my question. Perhaps I created an
    account to access the Samsung store.

    You probably were asked to create the Samsung Account when you set
    up the phone.

    I didn't do that, I did it some time later. I was troubleshooting
    something but I can't remember what.


    In my notes, it says that during setup there was a prompt to login
    to my Samsung Account. That prompt probably also had a link to create
    an account. (I already had a Samsung Account, because I bought the
    phone with a cashback.)

    I am using the Samsung phone app
    because it is the only way to switch on wifi calling (that I know
    about). I guess without a Samsung account, Samsung apps won't ever be
    updated.

    As Another Poster (TM) :-) said, you can switch off Wi-Fi calling in Settings.

    Not in my settings. It may depend on the model. But it is in the
    settings for the Samsung phone app.


    But the simplest way is probably: On the home or app screen, swipe
    down from the top till you get the panel with the function buttons
    such as Sound, Airplane mode, Location, etc.. Swipe that panel to the
    left several times, till you see the 'Wi-Fi Calling'. Tap it to toggle
    it off.

    Yes I forgot about that. I found it later after wasting much time trying
    to figure out why O2 wouldn't use wifi calling. It turned out in the end
    that O2 doesn't allow it on PAYG, only on pay monthly. So it is a
    policy.

    As for the Samsung account, I think what I need to do is remove all the
    apps which are installed from the Samsung store and re-install them from Google, then delete the Samsung account again. But at the moment it is
    not notifying me so I haven't done anything.

    I think it is strange that Samsung's Internet Browser is even in the
    google store.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Richmond on Thu Mar 14 20:06:51 2024
    Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
    Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> writes:
    [...]

    I am using the Samsung phone app
    because it is the only way to switch on wifi calling (that I know
    about). I guess without a Samsung account, Samsung apps won't ever be
    updated.

    As Another Poster (TM) :-) said, you can switch off Wi-Fi calling in Settings.

    Not in my settings. It may depend on the model. But it is in the
    settings for the Samsung phone app.

    You're correct, I couldn't find it in Settings either. So apparently
    Another Poster (TM) was wrong. No surprise there, he's been wrong
    before.

    [...]

    I think it is strange that Samsung's Internet Browser is even in the
    google store.

    Because people might want to put it on their non-Samsung phones (which
    won't have the (Samsung) Galaxy Store).

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Thu Mar 14 20:36:39 2024
    Frank Slootweg wrote on 14 Mar 2024 18:27:48 GMT :

    You dishonestly, 'conveniently' snip, without comment, you lose.

    Now you're just trolling, Frank.

    You, of all people, Frank, know RFC1855 since you ran a server yourself,
    that snipping is proper & good netiquette is to quote sparingly.

    *You quote only that which you're responding to.*

    HINT: There is no rule, which you seem to think exists, that says
    you have to quote and respond to the ENTIRE message, Frank.'

    DOUBLEHINT: I ignored at first that AJL's argument required him to
    treat Doctor records EXACTLY the same as Wi-Fi apps.

    TRIPLEHINT: When AJL objected, I responded DIRECTLY to his objections.

    QUADRUPLEHINT:
    <https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt>
    "quote only relevant parts"
    "Content of a follow-up post should exceed quoted content."

    <https://www.learnenglish.de/improveenglish/netiquette.html>
    "quote only what is necessary (delete the rest)"

    <https://blogs.onlineeducation.touro.edu/15-rules-netiquette-online-discussion-boards/>
    "quote just a few key lines from their post so that others wont
    have to go back and figure out which post you¢re referring to."

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Richmond on Thu Mar 14 20:41:47 2024
    Richmond wrote on Thu, 14 Mar 2024 19:32:04 +0000 :

    I think it is strange that Samsung's Internet Browser is even in the
    google store.

    My Samsung came with a 'default' browser which might have been the Samsung Internet browser you speak of, but what I did was uninstall it (and Chrome)
    on my non-rootable Galaxy and then I installed what I consider better
    browsers (not that I do much web browsing on a phone in the first place,
    but I do have shortcuts set up to get online traffic without Google Maps).

    *Ungoogled Chromium*
    <https://uc.droidware.info/>

    *Bromite*
    <https://www.bromite.org/>

    And others... https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.duckduckgo.mobile.android https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.torproject.torbrowser https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.mozilla.firefox https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ghostery.android.ghostery

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  • From Richmond@21:1/5 to Andrew on Thu Mar 14 21:08:52 2024
    Andrew <andrew@spam.net> writes:

    Richmond wrote on Thu, 14 Mar 2024 19:32:04 +0000 :

    I think it is strange that Samsung's Internet Browser is even in the
    google store.

    My Samsung came with a 'default' browser which might have been the Samsung Internet browser you speak of, but what I did was uninstall it (and Chrome) on my non-rootable Galaxy and then I installed what I consider better browsers (not that I do much web browsing on a phone in the first place,
    but I do have shortcuts set up to get online traffic without Google Maps).

    *Ungoogled Chromium*
    <https://uc.droidware.info/>

    *Bromite*
    <https://www.bromite.org/>

    And others... https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.duckduckgo.mobile.android https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.torproject.torbrowser https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.mozilla.firefox https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ghostery.android.ghostery

    I mostly use Firefox Focus with Javascript disabled.

    I haven't found any way to create the shortcuts you mention, but I found notification history in the settings, but it only goes back 24 hours so
    I have to wait for the Samsung account to notify me again.

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Richmond on Thu Mar 14 21:33:53 2024
    On 3/14/24 2:08 PM, Richmond wrote:

    I mostly use Firefox Focus with Javascript disabled.

    If you use the Samsung browser you can disable both Javascript AND all
    cookies. Likewise with the Dolphin browser.

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Richmond on Thu Mar 14 21:59:32 2024
    On 3/14/24 2:46 PM, Richmond wrote:

    When I search for Google Chrome in the Samsung store it finds Samsung >Internet.

    In my tablet's Samsung store I see 8 browsers to choose from. But you're
    right, no Chrome browser. Probably a business decision. There's no Chrome
    browser in the Amazon Appstore either...

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  • From Richmond@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Thu Mar 14 21:46:37 2024
    Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> writes:

    Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
    Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> writes: [...]

    I am using the Samsung phone
    app because it is the only way to switch on wifi calling (that I
    know about). I guess without a Samsung account, Samsung apps won't
    ever be updated.

    As Another Poster (TM) :-) said, you can switch off Wi-Fi calling
    in Settings.

    Not in my settings. It may depend on the model. But it is in the
    settings for the Samsung phone app.

    You're correct, I couldn't find it in Settings either. So apparently Another Poster (TM) was wrong. No surprise there, he's been wrong
    before.

    [...]

    I think it is strange that Samsung's Internet Browser is even in the
    google store.

    Because people might want to put it on their non-Samsung phones
    (which won't have the (Samsung) Galaxy Store).

    When I search for Google Chrome in the Samsung store it finds Samsung
    Internet.

    When I press and hold the samsung phone app, select info, scroll down,
    view in app store, I get a message saying "this content isn't compatible
    with your phones operating system". So where did it come from? How does
    it get updated?

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  • From Richmond@21:1/5 to AJL on Thu Mar 14 22:03:52 2024
    AJL <noemail@none.com> writes:

    On 3/14/24 2:08 PM, Richmond wrote:

    I mostly use Firefox Focus with Javascript disabled.

    If you use the Samsung browser you can disable both Javascript AND all cookies. Likewise with the Dolphin browser.

    Did you read the privacy policy? "We care about your privacy. We
    transfer data to up to 277 third party providers..." :?

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Richmond on Thu Mar 14 22:35:13 2024
    On 3/14/24 3:03 PM, Richmond wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.com> writes:

    On 3/14/24 2:08 PM, Richmond wrote:

    I mostly use Firefox Focus with Javascript disabled.

    If you use the Samsung browser you can disable both Javascript AND all
    cookies. Likewise with the Dolphin browser.

    Did you read the privacy policy? "We care about your privacy. We
    transfer data to up to 277 third party providers..." :?

    Are you Arlen in disguise? Sorry, an inside joke. All I use the Samsung
    browser for is news reading. I leave the Javascript and cookies off to kill
    the pop-ups and other junk but leave the text and most still photos. If
    some alien computers are spying on what fake name AJL is reading it really
    doesn't bother me too much. But then AJL's paranoia level is pretty much
    nonexistant...

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  • From Richmond@21:1/5 to AJL on Thu Mar 14 23:18:22 2024
    AJL <noemail@none.com> writes:

    On 3/14/24 3:03 PM, Richmond wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.com> writes:

    On 3/14/24 2:08 PM, Richmond wrote:

    I mostly use Firefox Focus with Javascript disabled.

    If you use the Samsung browser you can disable both Javascript AND
    all cookies. Likewise with the Dolphin browser.

    Did you read the privacy policy? "We care about your privacy. We
    transfer data to up to 277 third party providers..." :?

    Are you Arlen in disguise? Sorry, an inside joke. All I use the
    Samsung browser for is news reading. I leave the Javascript and
    cookies off to kill the pop-ups and other junk but leave the text and
    most still photos. If some alien computers are spying on what fake
    name AJL is reading it really doesn't bother me too much. But then
    AJL's paranoia level is pretty much nonexistant...

    Not quite non existent if you are using a fake name. Did you walk into a
    shop and pay cash for a second hand phone? buy your SIM card for 99p in
    a supermarket?

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Thu Mar 14 23:50:11 2024
    Frank Slootweg wrote on 14 Mar 2024 20:06:51 GMT :

    You're correct, I couldn't find it in Settings either. So apparently Another Poster (TM) was wrong. No surprise there, he's been wrong
    before.

    The fact you've never once in your entire life found me wrong, Frank, and
    yet you're so obviously _desperate_ to do so, is a problem that you have.

    It's not my problem that you are always so ignorant, Frank.
    It's your problem.

    You're so _desperate_ to claim I'm wrong that you fabricate it.
    And each time I have waste my energy always *Proving YOU Wrong* Frank.

    FACT:
    The option to turn on (or off) Wi-Fi calling is on my Samsung phone.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/4dgCbg1t/wificalling01.jpg>

    And there is no Samsung Account (or any account) set up on my phone.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/RhxFjhz0/manage-accounts.jpg>

    Frank: I don't mind that you hate yourself for constantly being wrong, but please don't say I'm wrong when it's you who is wrong on facts. Not me.

    I'm correct on my facts not because I'm a lot smarter than you are Frank.
    No. I'm correct because I don't say things that I don't know to be facts.

    Apologies would be what you should do; but I don't expect you to ever act
    like a decent adult, Frank. So I'll expect your apology (but you're not man enough to give it so I simply expect you to prove to be a child, Frank).

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  • From Richmond@21:1/5 to Andrew on Thu Mar 14 23:59:52 2024
    Andrew <andrew@spam.net> writes:

    FACT:
    The option to turn on (or off) Wi-Fi calling is on my Samsung phone.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/4dgCbg1t/wificalling01.jpg>


    It's on my phone now too. But it wasn't there before. Maybe it appeared
    when it upgraded to android 14 last month.

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  • From Richmond@21:1/5 to Andrew on Fri Mar 15 00:02:58 2024
    Andrew <andrew@spam.net> writes:

    Richmond wrote on Thu, 14 Mar 2024 21:08:52 +0000 :

    I haven't found any way to create the shortcuts you mention

    There are many tutorials on this newsgroup which explain every single step
    in the process of creating one-tap shortcuts to all public activities
    and, in this case, to URL/URI shortcuts for any web page you want to open.

    All you do is use an intelligent browser that allows shortcut creation.
    a. You open that browser to the web page (e.g., Google Maps Traffic)
    b. You tap the GUI to make it into a desktop shortcut
    c. You then move that shortcut to your maps folder.

    A shortcut everyone should put on every phone in the house, for example, is
    a shortcut to the nearest hospital, or to the closest first-aid station.

    Another shortcut I use is a shortcut to people's homes that I visit sporadically - which Frank has discussed in detail in the past on this newsgroup - where you can use the Google Maps app to create that shortcut.

    For example, I have a Google Maps shortcut to "Home" which I press anytime I'm anywhere & I want to figure out how to get home from there in one tap.

    Shortcuts to web pages are trivial to make.
    a. Any good web browser allows you to make them
    b. Any good app (like Google Maps) allows you to make them
    c. There are good apps which make them out of nothing more than a URL.

    No sense in me repeating what has already been explained in great detail.
    You can even make a shortcut to this Android web archive on the net. https://i.postimg.cc/fTppT16Q/newsgroup01.jpg

    Just run a search for "one tap shortcuts" in the Android newsgroup archive.
    <http://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android>

    Website Shortcut, by Deltac Development (free, adfree, gsffree, rated 4.3)
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.deltacdev.websiteshortcut>

    I meant the shortcut to the notifications history. I already have
    shortcuts to google maps etc.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Richmond on Fri Mar 15 00:00:09 2024
    Richmond wrote on Thu, 14 Mar 2024 21:08:52 +0000 :

    I haven't found any way to create the shortcuts you mention

    There are many tutorials on this newsgroup which explain every single step
    in the process of creating one-tap shortcuts to all public activities
    and, in this case, to URL/URI shortcuts for any web page you want to open.

    All you do is use an intelligent browser that allows shortcut creation.
    a. You open that browser to the web page (e.g., Google Maps Traffic)
    b. You tap the GUI to make it into a desktop shortcut
    c. You then move that shortcut to your maps folder.

    A shortcut everyone should put on every phone in the house, for example, is
    a shortcut to the nearest hospital, or to the closest first-aid station.

    Another shortcut I use is a shortcut to people's homes that I visit sporadically - which Frank has discussed in detail in the past on this newsgroup - where you can use the Google Maps app to create that shortcut.

    For example, I have a Google Maps shortcut to "Home" which I press anytime
    I'm anywhere & I want to figure out how to get home from there in one tap.

    Shortcuts to web pages are trivial to make.
    a. Any good web browser allows you to make them
    b. Any good app (like Google Maps) allows you to make them
    c. There are good apps which make them out of nothing more than a URL.

    No sense in me repeating what has already been explained in great detail.
    You can even make a shortcut to this Android web archive on the net. https://i.postimg.cc/fTppT16Q/newsgroup01.jpg

    Just run a search for "one tap shortcuts" in the Android newsgroup archive.
    <http://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android>

    Website Shortcut, by Deltac Development (free, adfree, gsffree, rated 4.3)
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.deltacdev.websiteshortcut>

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Richmond on Fri Mar 15 00:03:33 2024
    Richmond wrote on Thu, 14 Mar 2024 23:59:52 +0000 :

    FACT:
    The option to turn on (or off) Wi-Fi calling is on my Samsung phone.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/4dgCbg1t/wificalling01.jpg>


    It's on my phone now too. But it wasn't there before. Maybe it appeared
    when it upgraded to android 14 last month.

    Thanks for letting us know, as the fact is that it's on my phone, but I
    can't vouch for it being on any other phone than mine alone.

    However...

    I didn't do anything special to get it on my phone. It was just there.
    So I would think it's on anyone's phone whose situation is similar to mine.

    For me, that's Samsung, Android 13, T-Mobile USA.

    If it's not on someone else's phone, that doesn't mean I was wrong.
    It just means what's on my phone isn't on their phone.
    --
    Tell that to Frank please.
    As Frank doesn't understand that sensible logic.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to AJL on Fri Mar 15 00:08:45 2024
    AJL wrote on Thu, 14 Mar 2024 21:59:32 -0000 (UTC) :

    When I search for Google Chrome in the Samsung store it finds Samsung >>Internet.

    In my tablet's Samsung store I see 8 browsers to choose from. But you're
    right, no Chrome browser. Probably a business decision. There's no Chrome
    browser in the Amazon Appstore either...

    I don't have an Amazon tablet but a search says you can install Chrome. <https://metager.org/meta/meta.ger3?eingabe=chrome%20browser%20amazon%20store>

    Some of the hits...
    https://youtu.be/bSRosZb9XiQ
    https://www.alphr.com/chrome-kindle-fire/
    https://www.technipages.com/amazon-fire-how-to-install-google-chrome-via-apk-file/

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  • From Richmond@21:1/5 to Richmond on Fri Mar 15 00:11:07 2024
    Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> writes:

    Andrew <andrew@spam.net> writes:

    Richmond wrote on Thu, 14 Mar 2024 21:08:52 +0000 :

    I haven't found any way to create the shortcuts you mention

    There are many tutorials on this newsgroup which explain every single step >> in the process of creating one-tap shortcuts to all public activities
    and, in this case, to URL/URI shortcuts for any web page you want to open. >>
    All you do is use an intelligent browser that allows shortcut creation.
    a. You open that browser to the web page (e.g., Google Maps Traffic)
    b. You tap the GUI to make it into a desktop shortcut
    c. You then move that shortcut to your maps folder.

    A shortcut everyone should put on every phone in the house, for example, is >> a shortcut to the nearest hospital, or to the closest first-aid station.

    Another shortcut I use is a shortcut to people's homes that I visit
    sporadically - which Frank has discussed in detail in the past on this
    newsgroup - where you can use the Google Maps app to create that shortcut. >>
    For example, I have a Google Maps shortcut to "Home" which I press anytime >> I'm anywhere & I want to figure out how to get home from there in one tap. >>
    Shortcuts to web pages are trivial to make.
    a. Any good web browser allows you to make them
    b. Any good app (like Google Maps) allows you to make them
    c. There are good apps which make them out of nothing more than a URL.

    No sense in me repeating what has already been explained in great detail.
    You can even make a shortcut to this Android web archive on the net.
    https://i.postimg.cc/fTppT16Q/newsgroup01.jpg

    Just run a search for "one tap shortcuts" in the Android newsgroup archive. >> <http://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android>

    Website Shortcut, by Deltac Development (free, adfree, gsffree, rated 4.3) >> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.deltacdev.websiteshortcut>

    I meant the shortcut to the notifications history. I already have
    shortcuts to google maps etc.

    I found this:

    https://comp.mobile.android.narkive.com/mQa9oT8L/tutorial-how-to-make-one-tap-shortcuts-to-hidden-android-activies-which-have-no-gui-to-get-to-them

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Richmond on Fri Mar 15 00:33:17 2024
    On 3/14/24 4:18 PM, Richmond wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.com> writes:

    On 3/14/24 3:03 PM, Richmond wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.com> writes:

    On 3/14/24 2:08 PM, Richmond wrote:

    I mostly use Firefox Focus with Javascript disabled.

    If you use the Samsung browser you can disable both Javascript AND
    all cookies. Likewise with the Dolphin browser.

    Did you read the privacy policy? "We care about your privacy. We
    transfer data to up to 277 third party providers..." :?

    Are you Arlen in disguise? Sorry, an inside joke. All I use the
    Samsung browser for is news reading. I leave the Javascript and
    cookies off to kill the pop-ups and other junk but leave the text and
    most still photos. If some alien computers are spying on what fake
    name AJL is reading it really doesn't bother me too much. But then
    AJL's paranoia level is pretty much nonexistant...

    Not quite non existent if you are using a fake name. Did you walk into a
    shop and pay cash for a second hand phone? buy your SIM card for 99p in
    a supermarket?

    I'm not using a phone. I use this tablet for news reading. But even if I
    did, do you really think a browser knows and reports my sim?? Yup, you're
    either Arlen or Maryana for sure. I can tell by the paranoia level.
    Confess... ;)

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Andrew on Fri Mar 15 00:43:11 2024
    On 3/14/24 5:08 PM, Andrew wrote:
    AJL wrote on Thu, 14 Mar 2024 21:59:32 -0000 (UTC) :

    When I search for Google Chrome in the Samsung store it finds Samsung >>>Internet.

    In my tablet's Samsung store I see 8 browsers to choose from. But you're
    right, no Chrome browser. Probably a business decision. There's no Chrome >> browser in the Amazon Appstore either...

    I don't have an Amazon tablet but a search says you can install Chrome. ><https://metager.org/meta/meta.ger3?eingabe=chrome%20browser%20amazon%20store>

    Some of the hits...
    https://youtu.be/bSRosZb9XiQ
    https://www.alphr.com/chrome-kindle-fire/ https://www.technipages.com/amazon-fire-how-to-install-google-chrome-via-apk-file/

    I already have Chrome on all my Amazon tablets. All my Amazon tablets are
    signed in to my Google account and have the same Google apps found on most
    Android devices. I explained how to install Google on an Amazon tablet just
    a few posts back. Guess you missed it...

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Richmond on Fri Mar 15 00:45:33 2024
    Richmond wrote on Fri, 15 Mar 2024 00:11:07 +0000 :

    I found this:

    https://comp.mobile.android.narkive.com/mQa9oT8L/tutorial-how-to-make-one-tap-shortcuts-to-hidden-android-activies-which-have-no-gui-to-get-to-them

    Yup. That's the hardest way to do it though, as that was written to find
    the hardest-to-make shortcuts, which are to activities that are hidden.

    But kudos to you for running the search, which is one thing 99 out of 100 people on this newsgroup are allergic to doing. Most never once search.

    Everything you want to do in this thread, I've done, and I've written a tutorial already to help you do it. It took me many hours to learn about
    and then write up what will take you only a few minutes to follow the
    tutorial to do it.

    You can do it the way that is described in that tutorial,
    but that's the hard way (for the hardest to make one-tap shortcuts).

    There are much easier ways for activities which are NOT hidden.
    The activities I pointed out to you for Notification are NOT hidden.

    The Notification log brings up this Android activity in my shortcut. com.android.settings/com.android.settings.Settings$NotificationStationActivity

    The Notification history brings up this Android activity in my shortcut. com.android.settings/com.android.settings.notification.history.NotificationHistoryActivity

    See this screenshot I just made for you which shows both of those
    Notification shortcuts I made when I wrote the tutorials posted here.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/6Q5W7QR8/onetapnotificationshortcuts.jpg>

    See the two notification shortcuts in my one-tap shortcuts folder?

    One goes to "Notification history" & the other to "Notification logs".
    (Don't ask me why there are 2 public activities for almost the same thing.)

    It's trivial to create one-tap shortcuts to any public activity.
    (the hidden ones are the hard ones but these aren't hidden)

    Run the search for "shortcuts" and maybe "tutorial" and you'll see them. There's nothing more I can tell you that isn't in those tutorials already.

    Here are more screenshots you'll find in the multiple tutorials.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/KzrX0Kdw/shortcut01.jpg> Custom Shortcut icons
    <https://i.postimg.cc/RFs4CPxv/shortcut02.jpg> Creating URL Shortcuts
    <https://i.postimg.cc/J4WzDQKc/shortcut03.jpg> Creating FOLDER Shortcuts
    <https://i.postimg.cc/MKmPDnKC/shortcut04.jpg> Editing Shortcut icons
    <https://i.postimg.cc/13RWYy8f/shortcut05.jpg> Choosing custom icons
    <https://i.postimg.cc/N0SpMTpH/shortcut06.jpg> Squaring the custom icon
    <https://i.postimg.cc/DybJkMNF/shortcut07.jpg> Finding icons to extract
    <https://i.postimg.cc/fRn3wv4d/shortcut08.jpg> Extracting icons to PNG
    <https://i.postimg.cc/GhQcYjVV/shortcut09.jpg> Net icon, before & after
    <https://i.postimg.cc/43KZDRyR/shortcut10.jpg> Copy net icon to Android
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JzFCcYq6/shortcut11.jpg> Select & edit custom icon
    <https://i.postimg.cc/c4brT9qq/shortcut12.jpg> Custom screenshot icon
    <https://i.postimg.cc/50b0jDzz/shortcut13.jpg> Set custom icon on Android
    <https://i.postimg.cc/qqYQXB7Y/shortcut14.jpg> Sample custom Shortcuts
    <https://i.postimg.cc/qRqQv6wb/shortcut15.jpg> Open phone to the keypad
    <https://i.postimg.cc/KzWfkcsZ/shortcut16.jpg> Open to ANY app Activity
    <https://i.postimg.cc/9z5Bb8hK/shortcut17.jpg> Find all hidden Activities
    <https://i.postimg.cc/W13874D0/shortcut18.jpg> Set opening tab yourself
    <https://i.postimg.cc/jqw08DT4/shortcut19.jpg> Avoid all Google Activities
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Z5L193P4/shortcut20.jpg> Determine # of Activities
    <https://i.postimg.cc/XJrhDzRY/shortcut21.jpg> Open app to a page you want
    <https://i.postimg.cc/QC5zjWxL/shortcut22.jpg> Disable Google Activities
    <https://i.postimg.cc/SQz36HLZ/shortcut23.jpg> Elevate to homescreen
    <https://i.postimg.cc/c4yjXTXd/shortcut24.jpg> Create custom Shortcuts
    <https://i.postimg.cc/KvPWVLHB/shortcut25.jpg> Add Shortcuts to homescreen
    <https://i.postimg.cc/P5d7kxgc/shortcut26.jpg> Much Shortcut functionality
    <https://i.postimg.cc/qB1t432f/shortcut27.jpg> Access any app Activity

    What I do is make one-tap shortcuts to any activity I do more than once.
    This, for example, resets a critical Google Location privacy setting. <https://i.postimg.cc/v8CS9SvY/precise-shortcut01.jpg> Privacy shortcuts

    And here is a shortcut to the roaming activities to make it easy to get to.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/yx1yKMTJ/roaming-shortcut.jpg> roaming shortcut

    And here is how to make a Google Maps shortcut to your Home (or anywhere). https://i.postimg.cc/5NVLS0Dv/shortcut-home.jpg

    Here are traffic URL shortcuts to various traffic & construction reports.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/DyBSKWC6/shortcut-url-01.jpg> traffic URL shortcuts

    And here's a shortcut to the high-contrast font setting on Android.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Dzys8fTr/contrast01.jpg> high contrast font shortcut
    <https://i.postimg.cc/BZRZ8Ftc/contrast02.jpg> high contrast font shortcut

    And here is a shortcut to make the screen zoom activity a single tap away.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Xv6LbXDH/screenzoom.jpg> screenzoom shortcut

    And here are shortcuts to easily get to the ad-privacy switches that
    Google loves to move around and to hide five taps deep in the GUI. <https://i.postimg.cc/KvBw2tYT/adprivacyshortcuts01.jpg> Ad privacy
    switches
    <https://i.postimg.cc/DZ0Pw3dD/adprivacyshortcuts02.jpg> One-tap shortcuts
    <https://i.postimg.cc/xT0Q60YM/adprivacyshortcuts03.jpg> adb delete api
    <https://i.postimg.cc/4dsD35Wq/adprivacyshortcuts04.jpg> New GUI is gone!

    And here are shortcuts to all sorts of Wi-Fi specialized hidden options.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/P5Kb99jy/wificall01.jpg> Roaming & Network Settings
    <https://i.postimg.cc/xTDPzL5v/wificall02.jpg> Wi-Fi Calling Priorities
    <https://i.postimg.cc/g0TVkhr6/wificall03.jpg> Wi-Fi Developer options
    <https://i.postimg.cc/8zN8J7CK/wificall04.jpg> Intelligent Wi-Fi settings

    And if you care about being pretty, here are my many icons that I make.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/pLLD28Ny/icon01.jpg> Android changes DEFAULT icons
    <https://i.postimg.cc/HLJXMgkg/icon02.jpg> Edit default Shortcut icons
    <https://i.postimg.cc/kG72T3qD/icon03.jpg> Change the name and/or icon
    <https://i.postimg.cc/zvkgND0n/icon04.jpg> iOS is crippled & can't do this
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Z5s60RZH/icon05.jpg> Android gives you full control

    Pretty much, almost anything that takes more than one button press can
    be made into a one-tap shortcut if you can find the unique name of the
    public activity (which is the hardest part). Everything else is easy.

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  • From Richmond@21:1/5 to AJL on Fri Mar 15 01:26:51 2024
    AJL <noemail@none.com> writes:

    On 3/14/24 4:18 PM, Richmond wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.com> writes:

    On 3/14/24 3:03 PM, Richmond wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.com> writes:

    On 3/14/24 2:08 PM, Richmond wrote:

    I mostly use Firefox Focus with Javascript disabled.

    If you use the Samsung browser you can disable both Javascript AND
    all cookies. Likewise with the Dolphin browser.

    Did you read the privacy policy? "We care about your privacy. We >>>>transfer data to up to 277 third party providers..." :?

    Are you Arlen in disguise? Sorry, an inside joke. All I use the
    Samsung browser for is news reading. I leave the Javascript and
    cookies off to kill the pop-ups and other junk but leave the text and
    most still photos. If some alien computers are spying on what fake
    name AJL is reading it really doesn't bother me too much. But then
    AJL's paranoia level is pretty much nonexistant...

    Not quite non existent if you are using a fake name. Did you walk into a >>shop and pay cash for a second hand phone? buy your SIM card for 99p in
    a supermarket?

    I'm not using a phone. I use this tablet for news reading. But even if I
    did, do you really think a browser knows and reports my sim??

    It seems unlikely, but then I didn't say that. What I was thinking was
    that Samsung would be able to identify you if you ordered the phone
    (or device) and had it delivered to your house. Samsung might also be
    able to pick up your phone number from your SIM card (if you had one)
    and use that together with contact information from others to find your
    name. I don't know if they actually do that or have any interest in
    knowing who you are, they could sell advertising just with some unique identifier. But they have tailored android and could have put stuff in
    there to get information.

    Yup, you're
    either Arlen or Maryana for sure. I can tell by the paranoia level. Confess... ;)

    I don't know how paranoid he is, but I use google chrome on my desktop
    and I have even switched on their new ad choices thing, which I think is
    quite a good solution to the problem of selling personalised advertising without tracking. If I want to look up my medical conditions, or
    anything which I think the government should not be so nosey (snoopers
    charter) about, then I use TOR.

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Richmond on Thu Mar 14 19:21:08 2024
    On 3/14/2024 6:26 PM, Richmond wrote:

    What I was thinking was that Samsung would be able to identify you if
    you ordered the phone (or device) and had it delivered to your
    house.

    Guess I'm safe then. I got my Samsung phone from the Verizon store. Whew...

    Samsung might also be able to pick up your phone number from your SIM
    card (if you had one) and use that together with contact information
    from others to find your name. I don't know if they actually do that
    or have any interest in knowing who you are, they could sell
    advertising just with some unique identifier. But they have tailored
    android and could have put stuff in there to get information.

    All of the above: Complete guesswork on your part.

    I use google chrome on my desktop and I have even switched on their
    new ad choices thing, which I think is quite a good solution to the
    problem of selling personalized advertising without tracking.

    I've been using Google a very long time now. Many years ago Gmail (in a browser) actually did have ads. But in recent years I've not been able
    to tie any ads directly to my Google account. Out of sight out of mind...

    If I want to look up my medical conditions, or anything which I think
    the government should not be so nosy (snoopers charter) about, then I
    use TOR.

    Paranoia in spades...

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Andrew on Thu Mar 14 19:40:30 2024
    On 3/14/2024 11:20 AM, Andrew wrote:

    And what's "pathetic" is the (paraphrased) claim that AJL's medical
    data is as important as AJL's Samsung app to turn the WI-Fi off

    I didn't say that. Bet you can't find a quote.

    - and worse - they're so equal in AJL's mindset that he feels he MUST
    store all his medical data on his phone.

    I didn't say that. Bet you can't find a quote.

    AJL then extended that same argument to his credit card and then to
    his bank accounts - but the argument that they're as important as a
    silly Samsung app that isn't even needed is - is only 1/3rd of what's
    absurd.

    I didn't say that. Bet you can't find a quote.

    The other 1/3 which is absurd is that AJL just gave up because he
    considers all data of equal importance, and the last 1/3rd is as a
    result, AJL feels he MUST put all his data on his smartphone (which
    has no IT department).

    I didn't say that. Bet you can't find a quote.

    Are you related to Carlos? He put words in my mouth too (and couldn't
    find the quotes)...

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to AJL on Fri Mar 15 06:18:52 2024
    AJL wrote on Thu, 14 Mar 2024 19:40:30 -0700 :

    I didn't say that. Bet you can't find a quote.

    Bet you I can.

    From: AJL <noemail@none.com>
    Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
    Subject: Re: Samsung account
    Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 16:38:15 -0700
    Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
    Message-ID: <ustdd7$1772n$1@dont-email.me>
    References: <86il1qmd9v.fsf@example.com>

    On 3/13/2024 3:37 PM, Andrew wrote:
    AJL wrote on Wed, 13 Mar 2024 14:24:34 -0700 :

    And yet, since marketing tells people what to do and they do it, I'm sure there are millions of Samsung Accounts gathering data every single day.

    Do you use a credit card? Go to the doctor? Have a bank account? Have a
    cell phone? Etc etc. Unless you live in a cave your life is already
    online. Samsung is just one of hundreds... (And worse, unlike Samsung,
    my bank, doctor, CC, etc all know my real name)... 8-O

    I just happen to not want to trade my privacy for what marketing wants me
    to do (and which I can get, anyway, without trading it for my privacy).

    Online privacy in the modern world?? I could have total privacy by
    putting on the blinders too...

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Andrew on Fri Mar 15 06:15:34 2024
    Andrew wrote on Wed, 13 Mar 2024 22:49:52 -0000 (UTC) :

    The Notification log brings up this Android activity in my shortcut. com.android.settings/com.android.settings.Settings$NotificationStationActivity

    The Notification history brings up this Android activity in my shortcut. com.android.settings/com.android.settings.notification.history.NotificationHistoryActivity

    Please keep in mind that any setting you use more than once a day
    you probably want to put into a folder of shortcuts for easy access.

    I realize 999 out of 1,000 people have no idea how to create a one-tap
    shortcut to any public activity in Android, but even though most people are ignorant, it's very useful to make one-tap shortcuts to public activities
    which are five levels deep or even those which are hidden from the GUI.

    But it's useful to know for that 1 out of 1,000 people who are smart enough
    to learn how to make an Android shortcut - which no marketing tells you how
    to do it (so those who only do what marketing feeds them, won't know it).

    However, since making efficient one-tap shortcuts is de rigueur for
    anything you use more than once a day, here's what those two notification shortcuts look like on my phone (I put both of them into my shortcuts
    folder in the dock along with myriad privacy related shortcuts & others).

    <https://i.postimg.cc/6Q5W7QR8/onetapnotificationshortcuts.jpg>

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Andrew on Fri Mar 15 00:18:11 2024
    On 3/14/2024 11:18 PM, Andrew wrote:
    AJL wrote on Thu, 14 Mar 2024 19:40:30 -0700 :

    I didn't say that. Bet you can't find a quote.

    Bet you I can.

    But you didn't. See below.

    From: AJL <noemail@none.com>
    Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
    Subject: Re: Samsung account
    Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 16:38:15 -0700
    Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
    Message-ID: <ustdd7$1772n$1@dont-email.me>
    References: <86il1qmd9v.fsf@example.com>

    On 3/13/2024 3:37 PM, Andrew wrote:
    AJL wrote on Wed, 13 Mar 2024 14:24:34 -0700 :

    And yet, since marketing tells people what to do and they do it, I'm sure there are millions of Samsung Accounts gathering data every single day.

    Do you use a credit card? Go to the doctor? Have a bank account? Have a
    cell phone? Etc etc. Unless you live in a cave your life is already
    online. Samsung is just one of hundreds... (And worse, unlike Samsung,
    my bank, doctor, CC, etc all know my real name)... 8-O

    Quotes from Andrew's prior post that he said AJL said:

    - And what's "pathetic" is the (paraphrased) claim that AJL's medical
    - data is as important as AJL's Samsung app to turn the WI-Fi off

    Nothing about comparing the importance of my medical data to a Samsung
    app in that paragraph you quoted above. Flunk 1.

    - and worse - they're so equal in AJL's mindset that he feels he MUST
    - store all his medical data on his phone.

    Nothing about putting my medical data on my phone (I don't BTW) in that paragraph. Flunk 2.

    - AJL then extended that same argument to his credit card and then to
    - his bank accounts - but the argument that they're as important as a
    - silly Samsung app that isn't even needed is - is only 1/3rd of what's
    - absurd.

    Nothing about the importance of my CC compared to the Samsung app in
    that paragraph. Flunk 3.

    - The other 1/3 which is absurd is that AJL just gave up because he
    - considers all data of equal importance, and the last 1/3rd is as a
    - result, AJL feels he MUST put all his data on his smartphone (which
    - has no IT department).

    And a smartphone isn't even mentioned in that paragraph (and I don't put
    all my data on my phone, how did you ever come up with that? And IT department??). Flunk 4.

    So, you get a big fat ZERO.

    I just happen to not want to trade my privacy for what marketing wants me to do (and which I can get, anyway, without trading it for my privacy).

    My point was (and is) that your personal data is spread among many
    online servers whether you like it or not. Do income tax? Trust the
    government servers? Go to the doctor? Trust that server? All the office personnel have access. Use a credit card? Their servers know your
    complete shopping habits. Some CC companies give your personal data to
    the stores you use the card at for their advertising use. Your cell
    phone company knows your call history. Your Voicemail is on their
    servers. New cars broadcast lots of data. I just got a notice from my
    dealer that my car told them I need an oil change. So as I was trying to
    say, a fake Samsung account is small privacy potatoes compared to what's already out there. I could go on and on with more examples but I hope
    you get the picture this time. I repeat, unless you live in a cave you
    really have no privacy these days...

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Andrew on Fri Mar 15 15:37:12 2024
    Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    Frank Slootweg wrote on 14 Mar 2024 20:06:51 GMT :

    You're correct, I couldn't find it in Settings either. So apparently Another Poster (TM) was wrong. No surprise there, he's been wrong
    before.

    The fact you've never once in your entire life found me wrong, Frank, and
    yet you're so obviously _desperate_ to do so, is a problem that you have.

    We've shown you wrong many, many times. That you refuse to acknowledge
    that you were wrong and play your dodge and divert spiel, doesn't mean
    you weren't wrong. Case in point: AJL's beating in this very thread.

    FACT:
    The option to turn on (or off) Wi-Fi calling is on my Samsung phone.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/4dgCbg1t/wificalling01.jpg>

    And there is no Samsung Account (or any account) set up on my phone.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/RhxFjhz0/manage-accounts.jpg>

    As the other response have shown, there's an - as yet unexplained - difference between our phones:

    - You have the setting on your Android 13 T-Mobile USA phone (which
    Samsung model?).

    - Richmond didn't have the setting on his Android 13 phone (which
    model?), but now it's on Android 14, he does have the setting.

    - I don't have the setting on my (Samsung Galaxy A51) Android 13 phone.

    The location where you have the 'Wi-Fi Calling' switch, on the
    Connections page, between 'Wi-Fi' and 'Bluetooth', I have nothing,
    i.e. 'Wi-Fi' at the top and then 'Bluetooth' directly below it.

    Also the text labels on items are different between you and me, so I
    think it's a question of different models (or 'ages'?) of Samsung
    phones rather than Android versions.

    Bottom line: In this case, everybody was right, for *their* phone.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Richmond on Fri Mar 15 15:15:55 2024
    Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
    Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> writes:

    Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
    [...]
    I think it is strange that Samsung's Internet Browser is even in the
    google store.

    Because people might want to put it on their non-Samsung phones
    (which won't have the (Samsung) Galaxy Store).

    When I search for Google Chrome in the Samsung store it finds Samsung Internet.

    That's to be expected, because Google Chrome is - obviously - a Google
    app and hence in the (Google) Play Store, not in the (Samsung) Galaxy
    Store

    When I press and hold the samsung phone app, select info, scroll down,
    view in app store, I get a message saying "this content isn't compatible
    with your phones operating system". So where did it come from? How does
    it get updated?

    That's strange! I get no such message and the 'App info' screen of the (Samsung) Phone app says

    "App details in store
    App downloaded from Galaxy Srore"

    which is exactly what one would expect.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Fri Mar 15 19:09:05 2024
    Frank Slootweg wrote on 15 Mar 2024 15:37:12 GMT :

    We've shown you wrong many, many times.

    No you haven't.
    In fact, you've _never_ shown my facts to be wrong.

    You're actually _desperate_ to find a fact I've said that is wrong.
    And yet, in all these years - you can't find a single time that happened.

    You just can't.
    Because it never happened.

    See below for what you erroneously "think" is a fact, but, which is, in realilty, an assessment of a fact.

    1. No adult disagrees with a fact except for a fool, Frank.
    2. Yet, adults very often disagree on _assessments_ of that fact.

    You, Frank, do not know the difference between:
    a. Fact
    b. Assessment of fact

    And yet, it's the first thing taught in a basic college logic class, Frank. (Did you even go to college?)

    I don't know what's wrong with the educational system where you came from,
    but you constantly fabricate things that you can't ever back up.

    You've never shown my facts to be wrong simply because I don't say things
    are facts unless I already know them to be facts. You're not like that.

    You're to the left of Mount Stupid on the Dunning-Kruger scale, where you
    say things that you firmly believe are facts - and yet - you're wrong.

    That you refuse to acknowledge
    that you were wrong and play your dodge and divert spiel, doesn't mean
    you weren't wrong. Case in point: AJL's beating in this very thread.

    Look Frank. Your IQ is low. Very low. And you lack education.
    You're no different than AJL or Joerg Lorenz, Frank.

    Your argument is preposterous, and easily shown to be absurd.
    A. We're were discussing the utility of Samsung apps versus privacy.
    B. AJL was the idiot who equated that to bank, cc & medical records.
    C. I simply said AJL's comparative argument is preposterously absurd.

    If AJL didn't want to bring the credit cards, banking records and medical records into the comparison of the utility versus loss of privacy, then
    it's AJL's fault for equating them to the Samsung Account privacy loss.

    That you can't comprehend an argument that simple, logical & eminently defensible, means you don't own the cognitive skills I expect of an adult.

    Bear in mind you lack the education and/or IQ to tell the difference
    between a fact and an assessment of that fact.

    FACT:
    It was AJL who brought up credit/medical/bank in to counter the argument
    that the loss of privacy from Samsung Accounts isn't worth the
    concomitant gain in functionality.

    ASSESSMENT OF THAT FACT:
    AJL was clearly equating the gain in functionality versus loss of
    privacy

    Another ASSESSMENT:
    AJL's argument is preposterously absurd because he's equating the
    gain in functionality of bank/credit/medical records to the gain
    in functionality of a silly meaningless Samsung app,.

    Another assessment:
    The REASON AJL brought up that absurd argument is he inherently
    knew that there was nothing to be gained by the silly Samsung
    app - so - he wanted to elevate the gain vs loss of privacy
    equation to the highest level - which is _why_ he brought up

    Last assessment:
    AJL's argument is preposterous. The astoundingly huge difference
    in utility between bank/credit/medical records and a silly Samsung
    app makes AJL's comparison absurd.

    Clearly, you don't have the IQ nor education to agree with my assessment of
    the facts, Frank - but even you (unless you're a fool) won't disagree with
    the facts that they're based upon.

    FACT:
    The option to turn on (or off) Wi-Fi calling is on my Samsung phone.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/4dgCbg1t/wificalling01.jpg>

    And there is no Samsung Account (or any account) set up on my phone.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/RhxFjhz0/manage-accounts.jpg>

    As the other response have shown, there's an - as yet unexplained - difference between our phones:

    Duh. There will ALWAYS be (huge) differences between Android phones.
    The make, model, OS version, carrier, launcher, customizations, etc.

    Tell me something I don't know, Frank.

    Bottom line: In this case, everybody was right, for *their* phone.

    In another thread today, you apparently surmised that you don't have wifi
    and cellular data listed by default for every app on your phone, and yet I
    do. Message-ID: <ut1vko.jks.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>

    Why is it that I have on my Galaxy what you can't even find on yours?
    <https://i.postimg.cc/4y4JCRXY/datausage.jpg>
    <https://i.postimg.cc/C5wKFfsL/appdatausage.jpg>
    <https://i.postimg.cc/qMM7Sy71/billingcycle.jpg>

    Note: Unlike you, I don't say things are facts without them being facts.
    Only a fool disagrees with facts (that's why they're fools after all).

    If you "think" I've said a fact wrong, then you're wrong.
    But if you disagree with my assessments of facts - that's perfectly normal.

    You don't have the IQ I have.
    You don't have the education I have.
    You don't have the mentality I have in always being right on facts, Frank.

    You just don't.
    You wish you were in my league, but you're no different than Jeorg Lorenz.
    --
    Those are assessments based on your own words, Frank.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to AJL on Fri Mar 15 18:36:27 2024
    AJL wrote on Fri, 15 Mar 2024 00:18:11 -0700 :

    Nothing about the importance of my CC compared to the Samsung app in
    that paragraph.

    Idiot. You are like nospam where you own a kindergarten mentality that
    doesn't even realize your arguments are preposterously inconsistent.

    A. We're discussing the utility of Samsung apps versus loss of privacy.
    B. You're the idiot who equated that to bank, cc & medical records.
    C. I simply said your comparative argument is preposterously absurd.

    If you didn't want to bring the credit cards, banking records and medical records into the comparison of the utility versus loss of privacy, then
    it's your fault for being the child-like idiot who did that.

    You can have the last word since it's you who is the child-like idiot.
    (Bring Frank Slootweg along with you since he agreed with your idiocy.)

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Andrew on Fri Mar 15 22:59:30 2024
    On 3/15/24 11:36 AM, Andrew wrote:

    Idiot. You are like nospam where you own a kindergarten mentality...

    it's your fault for being the child-like idiot who did that...

    You can have the last word since it's you who is the child-like idiot...

    (Bring Frank Slootweg along with you since he agreed with your idiocy.)

    Ah. The old Arlen is back. Can't refute logical statements then dispurse
    insults. Andrew did pretty well for awhile. I had hopes. But it was not to
    be.

    BTW thanks for the comparison to nospam. A compliment I don't deserve. He
    was way more technically inclined than I am. I'm sorry he's apparently no
    longer around.

    So I have the last word you say? My last word is please ignore me in the
    future. Bet you can't...

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