• Keeping batteries charged no more than 80%

    From micky@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 11 20:23:01 2024
    If it's considered proper to charge a cellphone only to 80%, what about
    other devices that use batteries. Today I got a rechargeable bluetooth
    speaker to use with my cellpphone, and the instructions say to charge
    it, until the red light turns blue. Isn't that 100%, not 80%. Am i
    damaging the speaker battery by charging it until the liught turns blue?
    For that matter, what about people who leave their phone plugged into
    the charger or sitting on the wireless charger all night? Doesn't it
    go to 100% and sit there, still charging even after it's reached 100%.

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to micky on Tue Mar 12 01:36:15 2024
    On 3/11/24 5:23 PM, micky wrote:
    If it's considered proper to charge a cellphone only to 80%, what about
    other devices that use batteries. Today I got a rechargeable bluetooth >speaker to use with my cellpphone, and the instructions say to charge
    it, until the red light turns blue. Isn't that 100%, not 80%. Am i
    damaging the speaker battery by charging it until the liught turns blue?
    For that matter, what about people who leave their phone plugged into
    the charger or sitting on the wireless charger all night? Doesn't it
    go to 100% and sit there,

    Guilty as charged (get it? :). I'm an overnight wireless charger that has a
    100% battery every morning. Been doing it for 4+ years now. I do it to
    start the day with a full 100% phone so it won't run out early on a busy
    day. So far after 4+ years there's no NOTICIBLE battery problems for my
    use. YMMV of course...

    still charging even after it's reached 100%.

    My wireless charger quits charging when the phone reaches full charge. You
    can tell when the charging light goes out...

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to micky on Tue Mar 12 04:31:56 2024
    On 12.03.24 01:23, micky wrote:
    If it's considered proper to charge a cellphone only to 80%, what about
    other devices that use batteries. Today I got a rechargeable bluetooth speaker to use with my cellpphone, and the instructions say to charge
    it, until the red light turns blue. Isn't that 100%, not 80%. Am i
    damaging the speaker battery by charging it until the liught turns blue?
    For that matter, what about people who leave their phone plugged into
    the charger or sitting on the wireless charger all night? Doesn't it
    go to 100% and sit there, still charging even after it's reached 100%.

    It depends on the battery technology. Charge your boom-box until full.
    The charging electronics of branded products stop charging at 100% which
    is below the technically possible 100%.

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 12 19:51:12 2024
    micky, 2024-03-12 01:23:

    If it's considered proper to charge a cellphone only to 80%, what about

    Which is somewhat silly... if this is the "proper" way, why is there the possibility to use more than 80% at all?

    other devices that use batteries. Today I got a rechargeable bluetooth speaker to use with my cellpphone, and the instructions say to charge
    it, until the red light turns blue. Isn't that 100%, not 80%. Am i
    damaging the speaker battery by charging it until the liught turns blue?

    No.

    The batteries have a charge controller which will make sure, that the
    battery will not get overcharged.

    However, you should not keep a battery charget at 100% all the time -
    this is what will degrade batteries as well. But charging the up to 100%
    when you intend to *use* the device after that, it should not be a
    problem at all, since the charge will be depleted below 90 or 80% very soon.

    As a rule of thumb: if you want to store a device with rechargable
    lithium batteries without using it, you should charge it less than
    70-80%. But if you want to *use* a device, you may of course charge it
    up to 100% since the batteries will get discharged to "safe" levels
    within a few hours (or even sooner) anyway.

    For that matter, what about people who leave their phone plugged into
    the charger or sitting on the wireless charger all night? Doesn't it
    go to 100% and sit there, still charging even after it's reached 100%.

    No. It will just stay around 100%.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to usenet@arnowelzel.de on Tue Mar 12 15:56:41 2024
    In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 12 Mar 2024 19:51:12 +0100, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

    micky, 2024-03-12 01:23:

    If it's considered proper to charge a cellphone only to 80%, what about

    Which is somewhat silly... if this is the "proper" way, why is there the >possibility to use more than 80% at all?

    other devices that use batteries. Today I got a rechargeable bluetooth
    speaker to use with my cellpphone, and the instructions say to charge
    it, until the red light turns blue. Isn't that 100%, not 80%. Am i
    damaging the speaker battery by charging it until the liught turns blue?

    No.

    The batteries have a charge controller which will make sure, that the
    battery will not get overcharged.

    However, you should not keep a battery charget at 100% all the time -
    this is what will degrade batteries as well. But charging the up to 100%
    when you intend to *use* the device after that, it should not be a
    problem at all, since the charge will be depleted below 90 or 80% very soon.

    As a rule of thumb: if you want to store a device with rechargable
    lithium batteries without using it, you should charge it less than
    70-80%. But if you want to *use* a device, you may of course charge it
    up to 100% since the batteries will get discharged to "safe" levels
    within a few hours (or even sooner) anyway.

    Post above describes a very important distinction, that I had missed.
    Thanks.

    For that matter, what about people who leave their phone plugged into
    the charger or sitting on the wireless charger all night? Doesn't it
    go to 100% and sit there, still charging even after it's reached 100%.

    No. It will just stay around 100%.

    Well that's what I meant, colloquially Even if it's fully charged, at
    least if poeple don't know it's fully charged,\ as long as it's on the
    charger people will say "It's charging".

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to micky on Tue Mar 12 22:23:18 2024
    On 2024-03-12 01:23, micky wrote:
    If it's considered proper to charge a cellphone only to 80%, what about
    other devices that use batteries. Today I got a rechargeable bluetooth speaker to use with my cellpphone, and the instructions say to charge
    it, until the red light turns blue. Isn't that 100%, not 80%. Am i
    damaging the speaker battery by charging it until the liught turns blue?

    On most devices, you have no control.

    For that matter, what about people who leave their phone plugged into
    the charger or sitting on the wireless charger all night? Doesn't it
    go to 100% and sit there, still charging even after it's reached 100%.

    Most devices will limit the charge, probably stopping it.

    My Motorola G52 detects that it is an overnight charge, and calculates
    an strategy to have it fully charged by the time the alarm goes off.
    Initially, it charges up to 80% and holds there, then charges the
    remaining 20% just in time. And it knows the capacity of the USB charger
    you are using. It knows I am using an 1U, thus it will charge slowly always.

    If I try to charge it at a different time of day, it will charge as fast
    as it can to 100%.



    So, it will depend on what the makers of your phone decided for you.


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  • From micky@21:1/5 to E.R." on Tue Mar 12 18:02:04 2024
    In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 12 Mar 2024 22:23:18 +0100, "Carlos
    E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2024-03-12 01:23, micky wrote:
    If it's considered proper to charge a cellphone only to 80%, what about
    other devices that use batteries. Today I got a rechargeable bluetooth
    speaker to use with my cellpphone, and the instructions say to charge
    it, until the red light turns blue. Isn't that 100%, not 80%. Am i
    damaging the speaker battery by charging it until the liught turns blue?

    On most devices, you have no control.

    For that matter, what about people who leave their phone plugged into
    the charger or sitting on the wireless charger all night? Doesn't it
    go to 100% and sit there, still charging even after it's reached 100%.

    Most devices will limit the charge, probably stopping it.

    My Motorola G52 detects that it is an overnight charge, and calculates
    an strategy to have it fully charged by the time the alarm goes off. >Initially, it charges up to 80% and holds there, then charges the
    remaining 20% just in time. And it knows the capacity of the USB charger
    you are using. It knows I am using an 1U, thus it will charge slowly always.

    If I try to charge it at a different time of day, it will charge as fast
    as it can to 100%.

    Wow! Does it make dinner too?

    So, it will depend on what the makers of your phone decided for you.

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 14 13:03:43 2024
    Carlos E.R., 2024-03-12 22:23:

    On 2024-03-12 01:23, micky wrote:
    If it's considered proper to charge a cellphone only to 80%, what about
    other devices that use batteries. Today I got a rechargeable bluetooth
    speaker to use with my cellpphone, and the instructions say to charge
    it, until the red light turns blue. Isn't that 100%, not 80%. Am i
    damaging the speaker battery by charging it until the liught turns blue?

    On most devices, you have no control.

    For that matter, what about people who leave their phone plugged into
    the charger or sitting on the wireless charger all night? Doesn't it
    go to 100% and sit there, still charging even after it's reached 100%.

    Most devices will limit the charge, probably stopping it.

    My Motorola G52 detects that it is an overnight charge, and calculates
    an strategy to have it fully charged by the time the alarm goes off.

    I believe most newer Android devices have similar strategies implemented
    and reduce the charging current to a lower level for overnight charging
    but use the maximum power during daytime. I experience a similar
    behaviour with my Google Pixel 6a - in daytime it charges faster than
    during the night.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Arno Welzel on Thu Mar 14 21:18:19 2024
    On 2024-03-14 13:03, Arno Welzel wrote:
    Carlos E.R., 2024-03-12 22:23:

    On 2024-03-12 01:23, micky wrote:
    If it's considered proper to charge a cellphone only to 80%, what about
    other devices that use batteries. Today I got a rechargeable bluetooth
    speaker to use with my cellpphone, and the instructions say to charge
    it, until the red light turns blue. Isn't that 100%, not 80%. Am i
    damaging the speaker battery by charging it until the liught turns blue?

    On most devices, you have no control.

    For that matter, what about people who leave their phone plugged into
    the charger or sitting on the wireless charger all night? Doesn't it
    go to 100% and sit there, still charging even after it's reached 100%.

    Most devices will limit the charge, probably stopping it.

    My Motorola G52 detects that it is an overnight charge, and calculates
    an strategy to have it fully charged by the time the alarm goes off.

    I believe most newer Android devices have similar strategies implemented
    and reduce the charging current to a lower level for overnight charging
    but use the maximum power during daytime. I experience a similar
    behaviour with my Google Pixel 6a - in daytime it charges faster than
    during the night.


    Which means that there could be an app to limit the charge to 80%. The
    hardware to do this is already in place.

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  • From Anssi Saari@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Mon Mar 18 19:45:08 2024
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:

    Which means that there could be an app to limit the charge to 80%. The hardware to do this is already in place.

    Samsung builds that in and calls it "protect battery". Their limit is
    85% instead of 80% though.

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