• Alarm Stop or Snooze

    From croy@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 18 09:12:17 2024
    On my Moto G5 Plus, when the phone is off (sleeping?), when an alarm goes off, I see this on
    the screen:

    https://ibb.co/zJKz5ch

    ... but none of the buttons do anything when stomped on. Why would these buttons be presented,
    if they aren't usable? What am I missing?

    --
    croy

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to croy on Sun Feb 18 17:53:30 2024
    croy wrote:

    On my Moto G5 Plus, when the phone is off (sleeping?), when an alarm goes off, I see this on
    the screen:

    https://ibb.co/zJKz5ch

    ... but none of the buttons do anything when stomped on. Why would these buttons be presented,
    if they aren't usable? What am I missing?

    slide the blue clock to left or right as appropriate,

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  • From David Higton@21:1/5 to croy on Sun Feb 18 17:26:39 2024
    In message <oce4ti1t98smv74kfkjuae511bsuj6f68i@4ax.com>
    croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:

    On my Moto G5 Plus, when the phone is off (sleeping?), when an alarm goes off, I see this on the screen:

    https://ibb.co/zJKz5ch

    ... but none of the buttons do anything when stomped on. Why would these buttons be presented, if they aren't usable? What am I missing?

    I think the idea is that you drag the clock to either of the labels.
    They aren't buttons as such.

    David

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  • From croy@21:1/5 to David Higton on Sun Feb 18 10:21:04 2024
    On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 17:26:39 GMT, David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    In message <oce4ti1t98smv74kfkjuae511bsuj6f68i@4ax.com>
    croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:

    On my Moto G5 Plus, when the phone is off (sleeping?), when an alarm goes
    off, I see this on the screen:

    https://ibb.co/zJKz5ch

    ... but none of the buttons do anything when stomped on. Why would these
    buttons be presented, if they aren't usable? What am I missing?

    I think the idea is that you drag the clock to either of the labels.
    They aren't buttons as such.

    Perfect! Thank you.

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  • From croy@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sun Feb 18 10:21:43 2024
    On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 17:53:30 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    croy wrote:

    On my Moto G5 Plus, when the phone is off (sleeping?), when an alarm goes off, I see this on
    the screen:

    https://ibb.co/zJKz5ch

    ... but none of the buttons do anything when stomped on. Why would these buttons be presented,
    if they aren't usable? What am I missing?

    slide the blue clock to left or right as appropriate,

    Perfect! Thank you. I thought I had tried everything....

    --
    croy

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 18 20:42:05 2024
    The Real Bev, 2024-02-18 19:22:

    On 2/18/24 9:26 AM, David Higton wrote:
    In message <oce4ti1t98smv74kfkjuae511bsuj6f68i@4ax.com>
    croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:

    On my Moto G5 Plus, when the phone is off (sleeping?), when an alarm goes >>> off, I see this on the screen:

    https://ibb.co/zJKz5ch

    ... but none of the buttons do anything when stomped on. Why would these >>> buttons be presented, if they aren't usable? What am I missing?

    I think the idea is that you drag the clock to either of the labels.
    They aren't buttons as such.

    Sliding/swiping rather than tapping is NOT intuitive. When I got my
    first smartphone I had to return calls because I couldn't answer them :-(

    At least tapping the option should be supported as well, even if sliding
    was the original intended way.

    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Arno Welzel on Sun Feb 18 21:01:49 2024
    On 2024-02-18 20:42, Arno Welzel wrote:
    The Real Bev, 2024-02-18 19:22:

    On 2/18/24 9:26 AM, David Higton wrote:
    In message <oce4ti1t98smv74kfkjuae511bsuj6f68i@4ax.com>
    croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:

    On my Moto G5 Plus, when the phone is off (sleeping?), when an alarm goes >>>> off, I see this on the screen:

    https://ibb.co/zJKz5ch

    ... but none of the buttons do anything when stomped on. Why would these >>>> buttons be presented, if they aren't usable? What am I missing?

    I think the idea is that you drag the clock to either of the labels.
    They aren't buttons as such.

    Sliding/swiping rather than tapping is NOT intuitive. When I got my
    first smartphone I had to return calls because I couldn't answer them :-(

    At least tapping the option should be supported as well, even if sliding
    was the original intended way.


    No.

    It is intentionally disabled to impede accidental tapping, like with
    phone under the pillow or the pocket.


    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Arno Welzel on Sun Feb 18 20:03:47 2024
    Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
    The Real Bev, 2024-02-18 19:22:

    On 2/18/24 9:26 AM, David Higton wrote:
    In message <oce4ti1t98smv74kfkjuae511bsuj6f68i@4ax.com>
    croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:

    On my Moto G5 Plus, when the phone is off (sleeping?), when an alarm goes >>> off, I see this on the screen:

    https://ibb.co/zJKz5ch

    ... but none of the buttons do anything when stomped on. Why would these >>> buttons be presented, if they aren't usable? What am I missing?

    I think the idea is that you drag the clock to either of the labels.
    They aren't buttons as such.

    Sliding/swiping rather than tapping is NOT intuitive. When I got my
    first smartphone I had to return calls because I couldn't answer them :-(

    At least tapping the option should be supported as well, even if sliding
    was the original intended way.

    I don't agree, because allowing a simple tap would also cause an
    accidental 'tap' ('butt call') to turn off or snooze the alarm.

    But it *should* be clear what one is supposed to do when the alarm
    goes off. On one of my earlier phones - forgot which one - there were
    moving arrows in the direction of the intended swipe. A bit better, but
    not much.

    What one could/should do, is just *say* what to do, i.e. 'swipe [to
    the] right to snooze' (and 'swipe [to the] left to stop). But in this
    day and age of GUIs, we can't have meaningful text, can we now!? Text is
    sooo last century! Even the phone in this example has silly words like
    'Alarm', 'Snooze' and 'Stop'. What's wrong with these people!? Can't
    they come up with some meaningless icons instead?

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Arno Welzel on Sun Feb 18 20:12:13 2024
    Arno Welzel wrote:

    The Real Bev wrote:

    Sliding/swiping rather than tapping is NOT intuitive. When I got my
    first smartphone I had to return calls because I couldn't answer them :-(

    At least tapping the option should be supported as well, even if sliding
    was the original intended way.

    I suspect the reason that tapping is not used is to avoid accidental
    presses.

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Sun Feb 18 20:15:25 2024
    On 2/18/24 11:22 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 2/18/24 9:26 AM, David Higton wrote:
    In message <oce4ti1t98smv74kfkjuae511bsuj6f68i@4ax.com>
    croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:

    On my Moto G5 Plus, when the phone is off (sleeping?), when an alarm goes >>> off, I see this on the screen:

    https://ibb.co/zJKz5ch

    ... but none of the buttons do anything when stomped on. Why would these >>> buttons be presented, if they aren't usable? What am I missing?

    I think the idea is that you drag the clock to either of the labels.
    They aren't buttons as such.

    Sliding/swiping rather than tapping is NOT intuitive. When I got my
    first smartphone I had to return calls because I couldn't answer them :-(

    Agreed. One of the things I like about my old Samsung is that I can program
    it to push the physical volume up button to answer it...

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  • From Richmond@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sun Feb 18 20:21:33 2024
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes:

    Arno Welzel wrote:

    The Real Bev wrote:

    Sliding/swiping rather than tapping is NOT intuitive. When I got my
    first smartphone I had to return calls because I couldn't answer them :-( >> At least tapping the option should be supported as well, even if
    sliding
    was the original intended way.

    I suspect the reason that tapping is not used is to avoid accidental
    presses.

    My phone has an option "press volume up to answer calls" although I have
    never tried it through fear of accidental answering. But the slide
    answer did catch me out at first. Too many things these days you have to
    know from experience. Buttons should look like buttons, slidey switches
    should look like slidey switches (perhaps a grip on them).

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Richmond on Sun Feb 18 20:41:44 2024
    On 2/18/24 1:21 PM, Richmond wrote:
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes:

    Arno Welzel wrote:

    The Real Bev wrote:

    Sliding/swiping rather than tapping is NOT intuitive. When I got my
    first smartphone I had to return calls because I couldn't answer them :-( >>> At least tapping the option should be supported as well, even if
    sliding
    was the original intended way.

    I suspect the reason that tapping is not used is to avoid accidental
    presses.



    My phone has an option "press volume up to answer calls" although I have >never tried it through fear of accidental answering.

    I've been using that feature for 4+ years now on my phone and have never had
    a problem. Try it and I think you'll like it. If not you can always go
    back...


    But the slide
    answer did catch me out at first. Too many things these days you have to
    know from experience. Buttons should look like buttons, slidey switches >should look like slidey switches (perhaps a grip on them).

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 18 21:43:38 2024
    Am 18.02.24 um 19:22 schrieb The Real Bev:
    On 2/18/24 9:26 AM, David Higton wrote:
    In message <oce4ti1t98smv74kfkjuae511bsuj6f68i@4ax.com>
    croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:

    On my Moto G5 Plus, when the phone is off (sleeping?), when an alarm goes >>> off, I see this on the screen:

    https://ibb.co/zJKz5ch

    ... but none of the buttons do anything when stomped on. Why would these >>> buttons be presented, if they aren't usable? What am I missing?

    I think the idea is that you drag the clock to either of the labels.
    They aren't buttons as such.

    Sliding/swiping rather than tapping is NOT intuitive. When I got my
    first smartphone I had to return calls because I couldn't answer them :-(

    I totally agree and made the same experience with my first Android
    phone. Working as a digital coach I saw that happen to numerous clients
    when they bought replacement phones.

    --
    "Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

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  • From croy@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Sun Feb 18 12:45:06 2024
    On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 10:22:43 -0800, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 2/18/24 9:26 AM, David Higton wrote:
    In message <oce4ti1t98smv74kfkjuae511bsuj6f68i@4ax.com>
    croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:

    On my Moto G5 Plus, when the phone is off (sleeping?), when an alarm goes >>> off, I see this on the screen:

    https://ibb.co/zJKz5ch

    ... but none of the buttons do anything when stomped on. Why would these >>> buttons be presented, if they aren't usable? What am I missing?

    I think the idea is that you drag the clock to either of the labels.
    They aren't buttons as such.

    Sliding/swiping rather than tapping is NOT intuitive. When I got my
    first smartphone I had to return calls because I couldn't answer them :-(

    Amen!

    --
    croy

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  • From knuttle@21:1/5 to croy on Sun Feb 18 19:18:59 2024
    On 02/18/2024 3:45 PM, croy wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 10:22:43 -0800, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 2/18/24 9:26 AM, David Higton wrote:
    In message <oce4ti1t98smv74kfkjuae511bsuj6f68i@4ax.com>
    croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:

    On my Moto G5 Plus, when the phone is off (sleeping?), when an alarm goes >>>> off, I see this on the screen:

    https://ibb.co/zJKz5ch

    ... but none of the buttons do anything when stomped on. Why would these >>>> buttons be presented, if they aren't usable? What am I missing?

    I think the idea is that you drag the clock to either of the labels.
    They aren't buttons as such.

    Sliding/swiping rather than tapping is NOT intuitive. When I got my
    first smartphone I had to return calls because I couldn't answer them :-(

    Amen!

    This is my gripe about Android. Some time you leave programs from the
    top of the screen, some times at the bottom. If you hit a sequence of
    keys one time it will do something the next something different.

    There is no consistency it what an action will do with the android system.

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to knuttle on Mon Feb 19 01:45:11 2024
    On 2/18/24 5:18 PM, knuttle wrote:

    This is my gripe about Android. Some time you leave programs from the
    top of the screen, some times at the bottom.

    When I leave an any app I just hit the home screen button. Bottom center on
    most of my Android devices. But it does depend on the device manufacturer
    and how they arrange their paticular Android version. For example this
    Samsung tablet I'm now posting with has the home screen button on the
    bottom right. Different from my others but I must admit it's easier for me,
    being a right hander...

    If you hit a sequence of
    keys one time it will do something the next something different.

    Any examples?

    There is no consistency it what an action will do with the android system.

    Any examples? Most of my Android toys are pretty much the same in how they
    work.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to dave@davehigton.me.uk on Sun Feb 18 22:25:26 2024
    In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 18 Feb 2024 17:26:39 GMT, David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    In message <oce4ti1t98smv74kfkjuae511bsuj6f68i@4ax.com>
    croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:

    On my Moto G5 Plus, when the phone is off (sleeping?), when an alarm goes
    off, I see this on the screen:

    https://ibb.co/zJKz5ch

    ... but none of the buttons do anything when stomped on. Why would these
    buttons be presented, if they aren't usable? What am I missing?

    I think the idea is that you drag the clock to either of the labels.
    They aren't buttons as such.

    David

    That makes sense. My 85-year old friend has a Moto G Pure, and when I
    wanted to delete duplicate icons, I'd do a very long tap on one, and
    Delete would appear at the top of the screen.

    Over and over I rushed to tap delete, but it disappeared before I could
    reach it. I tried to use two hands but that did not work.

    Finally I dragged the icon to the delete bubble, and poof, it was gone.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to bashley101@gmail.com on Sun Feb 18 22:30:21 2024
    In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 18 Feb 2024 12:35:57 -0800, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 2/18/24 12:03 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

    But it *should* be clear what one is supposed to do when the alarm
    goes off. On one of my earlier phones - forgot which one - there were
    moving arrows in the direction of the intended swipe. A bit better, but
    not much.

    What one could/should do, is just *say* what to do, i.e. 'swipe [to
    the] right to snooze' (and 'swipe [to the] left to stop). But in this
    day and age of GUIs, we can't have meaningful text, can we now!? Text is
    sooo last century! Even the phone in this example has silly words like
    'Alarm', 'Snooze' and 'Stop'. What's wrong with these people!? Can't
    they come up with some meaningless icons instead?

    Best is "Ladies, please keep your knees together."

    It took five minutes of googling to discover what a + inside a circle
    means, and I've already forgotten it... Oh yeah, "data saver". Another
    5 minutes I won't get back.

    I recently joined the SPICOEED. The meetings are very interesting and
    they serve good food. Maybe there is a chapter in your area. But you
    have to sign a pledge to support their view publicly.

    The Society for Prevention of Instructions for Cellphones and Other
    Electronic or Electric Devices.

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Mon Feb 19 16:05:37 2024
    On 2/19/24 8:21 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 2/18/24 4:18 PM, knuttle wrote:
    On 02/18/2024 3:45 PM, croy wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 10:22:43 -0800, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 2/18/24 9:26 AM, David Higton wrote:
    In message <oce4ti1t98smv74kfkjuae511bsuj6f68i@4ax.com>
    croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:

    On my Moto G5 Plus, when the phone is off (sleeping?), when an alarm goes
    off, I see this on the screen:

    https://ibb.co/zJKz5ch

    ... but none of the buttons do anything when stomped on. Why would these
    buttons be presented, if they aren't usable? What am I missing?

    I think the idea is that you drag the clock to either of the labels. >>>>> They aren't buttons as such.

    Sliding/swiping rather than tapping is NOT intuitive. When I got my
    first smartphone I had to return calls because I couldn't answer them :-( >>>
    Amen!

    This is my gripe about Android. Some time you leave programs from the
    top of the screen, some times at the bottom. If you hit a sequence of
    keys one time it will do something the next something different.

    There is no consistency it what an action will do with the android system.

    Given the paucity of actual documentation and the fact that Android is
    pretty much a monoculture, it seems proper that there should be a set of >generic operations. By now there has been enough time for the better
    (if not best) ones to have been devised.

    Buttons tap. Sliders are SLIDE-SWITCH replicas. Yes=right, no=left.


    You should be able to orient the damn things so that the charger plugs
    in at the TOP (if desired) so you can lean it against something and use
    it while it's charging. Basic shit.

    My GUESS is that the charge hole is on the bottom so the cord hangs down if
    you need to charge and talk at the same time, like a corded handset used to
    be.

    You might try a stand up wireless charger (if your phone is wireless
    charging capable) that charges no matter which direction the phone sits on
    it and would allow it to be used while charging...

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Mon Feb 19 17:07:13 2024
    The Real Bev wrote on Sun, 18 Feb 2024 12:35:57 -0800 :

    Best is "Ladies, please keep your knees together."

    <OT sermon>

    True story. I was in elementary school, well before the age of puberty, and
    the teacher tells the entire class that the girls have to keep their legs together. I was probably around the middle years, second, or third grade.

    I was confused.
    The teacher seemed angry.

    Why would girls need to keep their legs together, and not the boys, I
    pondered. Why was the teacher angry about it. It didn't make sense until
    later when I learned more about the differences between girls & boys.

    My analytical mind saw a discrepancy - but it didn't understand because a
    key datapoint was missing which was the behavior of people after puberty.

    Same thing happened in catechism where a young nun told us one week that
    the Adam and Eve story is meant to be symbolic and not actual reality.

    A short time later, maybe a week or two at most, the nun retracts the
    story, which again confused me. Why would she change her mind so suddenly.

    I did wonder though why there were two old stern matronly looking nuns on
    both sides of her and one in the back of the room - which I had never seen before or since.

    As Myers-Briggs notes, there are intuitive people (who don't need no
    stinkin' data) and there are sensing people (who do).

    Without a lot of datapoints, our assessments of facts can be wrong.

    Which is why, unfortunately, highly intuitive people are very often wrong
    in a complex society which requires taking in data from all parties.

    </OT sermon>

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to noemail@none.org on Mon Feb 19 17:36:06 2024
    In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 19 Feb 2024 16:05:37 -0000 (UTC), AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:


    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote
    You should be able to orient the damn things so that the charger plugs
    in at the TOP (if desired) so you can lean it against something and use
    it while it's charging. Basic shit.

    I solved that. I just drilled a hole in my kitchen table, and ran
    another charger cord there. EzyPezy. Now I have to do the dining room
    table.


    My GUESS is that the charge hole is on the bottom so the cord hangs down if
    you need to charge and talk at the same time, like a corded handset used to be.

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 25 13:40:59 2024
    Frank Slootweg, 2024-02-18 21:03:

    Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
    The Real Bev, 2024-02-18 19:22:
    [...]
    Sliding/swiping rather than tapping is NOT intuitive. When I got my
    first smartphone I had to return calls because I couldn't answer them :-( >>
    At least tapping the option should be supported as well, even if sliding
    was the original intended way.

    I don't agree, because allowing a simple tap would also cause an
    accidental 'tap' ('butt call') to turn off or snooze the alarm.

    See my other post. Android 13/14 originally also only need a tap and not
    a swipe.


    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 25 13:43:33 2024
    Andy Burns, 2024-02-18 21:12:

    Arno Welzel wrote:

    The Real Bev wrote:

    Sliding/swiping rather than tapping is NOT intuitive. When I got my
    first smartphone I had to return calls because I couldn't answer them :-( >>
    At least tapping the option should be supported as well, even if sliding
    was the original intended way.

    I suspect the reason that tapping is not used is to avoid accidental
    presses.

    No, the reason is "we do it like Apple does it".

    Android 13/14 (and maybe even older versions) also has an alarm clock
    which only needs a tap to stop or snooze it.

    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 25 13:46:29 2024
    knuttle, 2024-02-19 01:18:

    [...]
    This is my gripe about Android. Some time you leave programs from the
    top of the screen, some times at the bottom. If you hit a sequence of
    keys one time it will do something the next something different.

    There is no consistency it what an action will do with the android system.

    But this is not because of Android but because of manufactures applying
    their own custom UI to be "unique" compared to others. Since the phones otherwise look more or less identical this is one of the few ways to differentiate.

    If you prefer a consistent UI, use Google Pixel or install LineageOS if
    this is supported for your phone and you don't need Google Pay or other
    apps which require a locked bootloader.

    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 25 13:47:17 2024
    AJL, 2024-02-19 02:45:

    On 2/18/24 5:18 PM, knuttle wrote:
    [...]
    There is no consistency it what an action will do with the android system.

    Any examples? Most of my Android toys are pretty much the same in how they
    work.

    Ever compared Huawei, Xiaomi, Samsung, Motorola and Google Pixel?

    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 25 13:52:18 2024
    The Real Bev, 2024-02-19 16:21:

    [...]
    Buttons tap. Sliders are SLIDE-SWITCH replicas. Yes=right, no=left.
    You should be able to orient the damn things so that the charger plugs
    in at the TOP (if desired) so you can lean it against something and use
    it while it's charging. Basic shit.

    I prefer it at the bottom, so I can put it into a charging stand ;-)

    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Arno Welzel on Sun Feb 25 13:36:24 2024
    Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
    Frank Slootweg, 2024-02-18 21:03:

    Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
    The Real Bev, 2024-02-18 19:22:
    [...]
    Sliding/swiping rather than tapping is NOT intuitive. When I got my
    first smartphone I had to return calls because I couldn't answer them :-( >>
    At least tapping the option should be supported as well, even if sliding >> was the original intended way.

    I don't agree, because allowing a simple tap would also cause an accidental 'tap' ('butt call') to turn off or snooze the alarm.

    See my other post. Android 13/14 originally also only need a tap and not
    a swipe.

    What does "originally" mean? Are you saying it's no longer the case?

    You're apparently implicitly referring to Google (Pixel et al) phones,
    but the large majority of phones are not Google phones. (Until very
    recently, the Google phones were not even for sale in our country, The Netherlands.)

    Anyway, my Samsung (A51, Android 13) phone needs a swipe and so did my
    two earlier Huawei phones.

    So I think non-swipe is a minority, instead of a 'standard'/majority.

    So the question becomes: Does anyone with a non-Google phone have an
    alarm which does not need to be swiped to turn it off (but can be turned
    off with a tap)? If so, what is the brand and model of your phone?

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Arno Welzel on Sun Feb 25 13:29:40 2024
    Arno Welzel wrote:

    Android 13/14 originally also only need a tap and not
    a swipe.

    Pretty sure android 4 used swipes to answer calls?

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 25 20:42:30 2024
    Frank Slootweg, 2024-02-25 14:36:

    Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
    Frank Slootweg, 2024-02-18 21:03:

    Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
    The Real Bev, 2024-02-18 19:22:
    [...]
    Sliding/swiping rather than tapping is NOT intuitive. When I got my >>>>> first smartphone I had to return calls because I couldn't answer them :-( >>>>
    At least tapping the option should be supported as well, even if sliding >>>> was the original intended way.

    I don't agree, because allowing a simple tap would also cause an
    accidental 'tap' ('butt call') to turn off or snooze the alarm.

    See my other post. Android 13/14 originally also only need a tap and not
    a swipe.

    What does "originally" mean? Are you saying it's no longer the case?

    I mean as implemented by Google in AOSP and not modified by a custom UI
    of a phone manufacturer.

    [...]
    Anyway, my Samsung (A51, Android 13) phone needs a swipe and so did my
    two earlier Huawei phones.

    Yes, because Samsung and Huawei implemented it this way. But the
    standard app provided by Google does not.


    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Arno Welzel on Sun Feb 25 19:58:48 2024
    Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
    Andy Burns, 2024-02-25 14:29:

    Arno Welzel wrote:

    Android 13/14 originally also only need a tap and not
    a swipe.

    Pretty sure android 4 used swipes to answer calls?

    Android 4 was released in 2011 - which is 13 years ago now. How relevant
    is this today?

    I think it's very relevant, because if Andy is right, if current
    (Google Pixel) Android does not need a swipe, that's a rather stupid
    change (for the reasons given.

    FWIW, my Android 4 Huawei phone did (and does :-)) use swipe to answer/decline a call.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Arno Welzel on Sun Feb 25 19:53:49 2024
    Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
    Frank Slootweg, 2024-02-25 14:36:

    Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
    Frank Slootweg, 2024-02-18 21:03:

    Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
    The Real Bev, 2024-02-18 19:22:
    [...]
    Sliding/swiping rather than tapping is NOT intuitive. When I got my >>>>> first smartphone I had to return calls because I couldn't answer them :-(

    At least tapping the option should be supported as well, even if sliding >>>> was the original intended way.

    I don't agree, because allowing a simple tap would also cause an
    accidental 'tap' ('butt call') to turn off or snooze the alarm.

    See my other post. Android 13/14 originally also only need a tap and not >> a swipe.

    What does "originally" mean? Are you saying it's no longer the case?

    I mean as implemented by Google in AOSP and not modified by a custom UI
    of a phone manufacturer.

    [...]
    Anyway, my Samsung (A51, Android 13) phone needs a swipe and so did my two earlier Huawei phones.

    Yes, because Samsung and Huawei implemented it this way. But the
    standard app provided by Google does not.

    But, as I explained in the part you snipped, in 'installed base',
    especially in Europe, Google is the exception, not the rule.

    Moral: When talking about a Google phone, *say* you're talking about a
    Google phone, because, for all intents and purposes, there - sadly - is
    no such thing as 'standard Android'.

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 25 20:41:13 2024
    Andy Burns, 2024-02-25 14:29:

    Arno Welzel wrote:

    Android 13/14 originally also only need a tap and not
    a swipe.

    Pretty sure android 4 used swipes to answer calls?

    Android 4 was released in 2011 - which is 13 years ago now. How relevant
    is this today?

    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Mon Feb 26 07:26:34 2024
    Frank Slootweg wrote:

    Moral: When talking about a Google phone, *say* you're talking about a Google phone, because, for all intents and purposes, there - sadly - is
    no such thing as 'standard Android'.

    I've always bought Nexus/Pixel phones (I inherit a Samsung, which I gave
    away) I will always regard Google phones as "stock", anyone who buys a
    modified one, it's up to _them_ to cope with the differences ...

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Arno Welzel on Mon Feb 26 07:21:27 2024
    Arno Welzel wrote:

    Android 4 was released in 2011 - which is 13 years ago now. How relevant
    is this today?

    someone was saying swipe to answer (or stop alarm) was NEW and confusing ...

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Arno Welzel on Mon Feb 26 12:58:30 2024
    On 2024-02-25 13:40, Arno Welzel wrote:
    Carlos E.R., 2024-02-18 21:01:

    On 2024-02-18 20:42, Arno Welzel wrote:
    The Real Bev, 2024-02-18 19:22:
    [...]
    Sliding/swiping rather than tapping is NOT intuitive. When I got my
    first smartphone I had to return calls because I couldn't answer them :-( >>>
    At least tapping the option should be supported as well, even if sliding >>> was the original intended way.


    No.

    It is intentionally disabled to impede accidental tapping, like with
    phone under the pillow or the pocket.

    Capacitive touchscreens can not be "tapped" under a pillow or inside a
    pocket since they need physical contact with a finger, so the
    capacitance of the sensor grid in the screen will change.

    LOL.

    My "smart watch" touch screen is often been activated accidentally.

    For example, yesterday I was washing up some plates and glasses. My
    shirt long sleeves got humid, and it activated my watch repeatedly, and
    managed to erase the custom display by another. I had to go into the
    phone app and download/upload the custom display that I use, again.

    I had to do this many times over the two or three years I own this watch.

    I can be "walking" as exercise, having the watch track the exercise, and
    when I finish, I find out that something touched the screen and it
    halted tracking the exercise.


    So no, accidental tapping of a touch screen is a thing that happens
    easily. Specially when one is half sleep trying to find the phone with
    eyes half closed.




    And by the way: the original alarm clock of Android 13 or 14 also just provides a stop *button* which has to be tapped and not slided. So the explanation, that sliding was implemented to avoid accidental tapping is
    a very weak argument. It's more likely that the "swipe to do something"
    is just a copycat of the iPhone UI to look more "modern".


    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Mon Feb 26 13:06:33 2024
    On 2024-02-26 08:26, Andy Burns wrote:
    Frank Slootweg wrote:

       Moral: When talking about a Google phone, *say* you're talking about a >> Google phone, because, for all intents and purposes, there - sadly - is
    no such thing as 'standard Android'.

    I've always bought Nexus/Pixel phones (I inherit a Samsung, which I gave away) I will always regard Google phones as "stock", anyone who buys a modified one, it's up to _them_ to cope with the differences ...

    It is impossible to buy a google phone, they are way too expensive.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Mon Feb 26 13:04:24 2024
    On 2024-02-26 08:21, Andy Burns wrote:
    Arno Welzel wrote:

    Android 4 was released in 2011 - which is 13 years ago now. How relevant
    is this today?

    someone was saying swipe to answer (or stop alarm) was NEW and confusing
    ...

    My first smartphone was a Samsung Galaxy mini 2, had android 2.3.6., and
    I could not answer my first call I got because pushing hard the buttons
    of the daft thing did not work.

    When the phone stopped ringing, I had to call back my friend, who had
    convinced me to buy a smartphone, and ask him how to answer a call.

    Slide the button to the green, he told me.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_Mini_2

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Mon Feb 26 13:12:49 2024
    On 2024-02-25 14:36, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
    Frank Slootweg, 2024-02-18 21:03:

    Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
    The Real Bev, 2024-02-18 19:22:

    ...

    So the question becomes: Does anyone with a non-Google phone have an
    alarm which does not need to be swiped to turn it off (but can be turned
    off with a tap)? If so, what is the brand and model of your phone?

    My Motorola g52, running Android 13, which has few brand made
    customizations, has two different alarm displays. When the phone is not
    locked, the alarm displays a small window on top of whatever has the
    screen, and has pushbuttons.

    When the display is locked, I get the big slide buttons instead.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Mon Feb 26 15:07:56 2024
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
    Frank Slootweg wrote:

    Moral: When talking about a Google phone, *say* you're talking about a Google phone, because, for all intents and purposes, there - sadly - is
    no such thing as 'standard Android'.

    I've always bought Nexus/Pixel phones (I inherit a Samsung, which I gave away) I will always regard Google phones as "stock", anyone who buys a modified one, it's up to _them_ to cope with the differences ...

    It's not about coping with the differences, it's about not letting
    your audience have to guess which phone you're talking about.

    But let me make my advice/request more specific: When talking about a
    phone, *any* phone, - especially when the issue is about settings or
    built-in apps -, mention the brand, model and Android version.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Mon Feb 26 15:27:28 2024
    Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    On 2024-02-25 14:36, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
    Frank Slootweg, 2024-02-18 21:03:

    Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
    The Real Bev, 2024-02-18 19:22:

    ...

    So the question becomes: Does anyone with a non-Google phone have an alarm which does not need to be swiped to turn it off (but can be turned off with a tap)? If so, what is the brand and model of your phone?

    My Motorola g52, running Android 13, which has few brand made
    customizations, has two different alarm displays. When the phone is not locked, the alarm displays a small window on top of whatever has the
    screen, and has pushbuttons.

    Same here, for my Samsung A51 (Android 13).

    So the question becomes a bit more specific:

    Does anyone with a non-Google phone have an alarm which does not need
    to be swiped to turn it off (but can be turned off with a tap) when the
    phone is *locked*? If so, what is the brand and model of your phone?

    When the display is locked, I get the big slide buttons instead.

    I get a '(X)' button. When tapped, a big background circle appears
    with the word 'Dismiss' in it. You're supposed to understand that you
    must drag the button in the circle (I drag it towards the word
    'Dismiss'). (At the bottom there's of course a Snooze button.)

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Mon Feb 26 17:41:21 2024
    Carlos E.R. wrote:

    It is impossible to buy a google phone, they are way too expensive.

    They have varied over the years, some Nexus were real bargains, I didn't
    think I'd pay the price of a Pixel, but then then I did get a Pixel3,
    but have since switched to the Pixel "a" series ...

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 26 19:59:11 2024
    Carlos E.R., 2024-02-26 12:58:

    On 2024-02-25 13:40, Arno Welzel wrote:
    Carlos E.R., 2024-02-18 21:01:

    On 2024-02-18 20:42, Arno Welzel wrote:
    The Real Bev, 2024-02-18 19:22:
    [...]
    Sliding/swiping rather than tapping is NOT intuitive. When I got my >>>>> first smartphone I had to return calls because I couldn't answer them :-( >>>>
    At least tapping the option should be supported as well, even if sliding >>>> was the original intended way.


    No.

    It is intentionally disabled to impede accidental tapping, like with
    phone under the pillow or the pocket.

    Capacitive touchscreens can not be "tapped" under a pillow or inside a
    pocket since they need physical contact with a finger, so the
    capacitance of the sensor grid in the screen will change.

    LOL.

    No, physics.

    My "smart watch" touch screen is often been activated accidentally.

    For example, yesterday I was washing up some plates and glasses. My
    shirt long sleeves got humid, and it activated my watch repeatedly, and managed to erase the custom display by another. I had to go into the
    phone app and download/upload the custom display that I use, again.

    And what exactly has a humid shirt touching the unprotected touch screen
    on your smart watch which you wear on your wrist to do with a smartphone
    "under a pillow" or "in a pocket"?

    The important thing is *capacitance* which has to change instead of
    *pressure*. Of course a humid shirt can do this. But I doubt that this
    is possible just mechanically in a dry pocket.

    [...]
    So no, accidental tapping of a touch screen is a thing that happens
    easily. Specially when one is half sleep trying to find the phone with
    eyes half closed.

    Yes, but not *in* a pocket or *under* a pillow, where the touch screen
    is physically not reachable since a capacitive touch screen does not
    respond to mechanical pressure.


    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 26 20:00:15 2024
    Frank Slootweg, 2024-02-25 20:58:

    Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
    Andy Burns, 2024-02-25 14:29:

    Arno Welzel wrote:

    Android 13/14 originally also only need a tap and not
    a swipe.

    Pretty sure android 4 used swipes to answer calls?

    Android 4 was released in 2011 - which is 13 years ago now. How relevant
    is this today?

    I think it's very relevant, because if Andy is right, if current
    (Google Pixel) Android does not need a swipe, that's a rather stupid
    change (for the reasons given.

    I think it is so for many years now. I can't remember that I had to
    swipe to stop the alarm in the last 5 years.


    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 26 20:01:57 2024
    Frank Slootweg, 2024-02-25 20:53:

    [...]
    Moral: When talking about a Google phone, *say* you're talking about a Google phone, because, for all intents and purposes, there - sadly - is
    no such thing as 'standard Android'.

    Correct - and therefore it is completely pointless to discuss how things
    are done "in Android".

    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 26 20:03:15 2024
    Carlos E.R., 2024-02-26 13:06:

    On 2024-02-26 08:26, Andy Burns wrote:
    Frank Slootweg wrote:

       Moral: When talking about a Google phone, *say* you're talking about a >>> Google phone, because, for all intents and purposes, there - sadly - is
    no such thing as 'standard Android'.

    I've always bought Nexus/Pixel phones (I inherit a Samsung, which I gave
    away) I will always regard Google phones as "stock", anyone who buys a
    modified one, it's up to _them_ to cope with the differences ...

    It is impossible to buy a google phone, they are way too expensive.

    The Pixel 6a which I got a while a ago was one of the cheapest options
    compared to other models with the same specs (less then 260 USD).

    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Arno Welzel on Mon Feb 26 19:46:13 2024
    Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
    Frank Slootweg, 2024-02-25 20:58:

    Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
    Andy Burns, 2024-02-25 14:29:

    Arno Welzel wrote:

    Android 13/14 originally also only need a tap and not
    a swipe.

    Pretty sure android 4 used swipes to answer calls?

    Android 4 was released in 2011 - which is 13 years ago now. How relevant >> is this today?

    I think it's very relevant, because if Andy is right, if current
    (Google Pixel) Android does not need a swipe, that's a rather stupid
    change (for the reasons given.

    I think it is so for many years now. I can't remember that I had to
    swipe to stop the alarm in the last 5 years.

    See the point Carlos raised (and I responded to): The difference in
    behaviour when the phone is not locked - normal buttons, no swipe needed
    - and when it is locked - swipe needed.

    BTW, Andy talked about answering a *call*, the rest of the thread is
    mostly about turning off an *alarm*, i.e. different things with
    possibly/likely different behaviour.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Arno Welzel on Mon Feb 26 22:44:13 2024
    On 2024-02-26 19:59, Arno Welzel wrote:
    Carlos E.R., 2024-02-26 12:58:

    On 2024-02-25 13:40, Arno Welzel wrote:
    Carlos E.R., 2024-02-18 21:01:

    On 2024-02-18 20:42, Arno Welzel wrote:
    The Real Bev, 2024-02-18 19:22:
    [...]
    Sliding/swiping rather than tapping is NOT intuitive. When I got my >>>>>> first smartphone I had to return calls because I couldn't answer them :-(

    At least tapping the option should be supported as well, even if sliding >>>>> was the original intended way.


    No.

    It is intentionally disabled to impede accidental tapping, like with
    phone under the pillow or the pocket.

    Capacitive touchscreens can not be "tapped" under a pillow or inside a
    pocket since they need physical contact with a finger, so the
    capacitance of the sensor grid in the screen will change.

    LOL.

    No, physics.

    My "smart watch" touch screen is often been activated accidentally.

    For example, yesterday I was washing up some plates and glasses. My
    shirt long sleeves got humid, and it activated my watch repeatedly, and
    managed to erase the custom display by another. I had to go into the
    phone app and download/upload the custom display that I use, again.

    And what exactly has a humid shirt touching the unprotected touch screen
    on your smart watch which you wear on your wrist to do with a smartphone "under a pillow" or "in a pocket"?

    That it also reacts to accidental touches and does things.

    I have more than once stopped the alarm clock when I wanted to snooze,
    by accident when trying to get hold of the phone.


    The important thing is *capacitance* which has to change instead of *pressure*. Of course a humid shirt can do this. But I doubt that this
    is possible just mechanically in a dry pocket.

    [...]
    So no, accidental tapping of a touch screen is a thing that happens
    easily. Specially when one is half sleep trying to find the phone with
    eyes half closed.

    Yes, but not *in* a pocket or *under* a pillow, where the touch screen
    is physically not reachable since a capacitive touch screen does not
    respond to mechanical pressure.

    But responds to the palm touching it, the face touching it. It may react
    to some pillows that are a bit conductive, or wet because of sweat.


    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Mon Feb 26 22:11:53 2024
    Frank Slootweg wrote:

    Andy talked about answering a call, the rest of the thread is
    mostly about turning off an alarm, i.e. different things with
    possibly/likely different behaviour.

    Both are examples of actions that may require a swipe, rather than a
    press, that's all ...

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  • From Bob Martin@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Tue Feb 27 06:32:35 2024
    On 26 Feb 2024 at 12:06:33, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    On 2024-02-26 08:26, Andy Burns wrote:
    Frank Slootweg wrote:

       Moral: When talking about a Google phone, *say* you're talking about a >>> Google phone, because, for all intents and purposes, there - sadly - is
    no such thing as 'standard Android'.

    I've always bought Nexus/Pixel phones (I inherit a Samsung, which I gave
    away) I will always regard Google phones as "stock", anyone who buys a
    modified one, it's up to _them_ to cope with the differences ...

    It is impossible to buy a google phone, they are way too expensive.

    I've only owned Nexus and Pixel phones for many years.
    As for expense, I recently bought a Pixel 4 from eBay for £94.
    It is in "as-new" condition.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Tue Feb 27 11:10:01 2024
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
    Frank Slootweg wrote:

    Andy talked about answering a call, the rest of the thread is
    mostly about turning off an alarm, i.e. different things with possibly/likely different behaviour.

    Both are examples of actions that may require a swipe, rather than a
    press, that's all ...

    Yes, I got that. :-) I just wanted Arno to note that different types
    of actions might have different behaviours. As you say, those actions
    *may* require a swipe, or they don't.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Bob Martin on Tue Feb 27 13:43:30 2024
    On 2024-02-27 07:32, Bob Martin wrote:
    On 26 Feb 2024 at 12:06:33, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    On 2024-02-26 08:26, Andy Burns wrote:
    Frank Slootweg wrote:

       Moral: When talking about a Google phone, *say* you're talking about a
    Google phone, because, for all intents and purposes, there - sadly - is >>>> no such thing as 'standard Android'.

    I've always bought Nexus/Pixel phones (I inherit a Samsung, which I gave >>> away) I will always regard Google phones as "stock", anyone who buys a
    modified one, it's up to _them_ to cope with the differences ...

    It is impossible to buy a google phone, they are way too expensive.

    I've only owned Nexus and Pixel phones for many years.
    As for expense, I recently bought a Pixel 4 from eBay for �94.
    It is in "as-new" condition.

    When I looked at them, some years ago, they started at 600€. I refuse to carry everywhere a 600€ gadget. I have dropped it to the floor more than
    once from a pocket (shirt or jacket). Once it almost fell to the loo.
    Once I went into the sea for a swim and destroyed the phone (I had
    forgotten it was in my pocket). Then pickpockets abound.

    Thus my current brand of choice is Motorola, and I hate to change.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 27 12:55:23 2024
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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Tue Feb 27 18:10:29 2024
    On 26.02.24 22:44, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2024-02-26 19:59, Arno Welzel wrote:
    Carlos E.R., 2024-02-26 12:58:

    On 2024-02-25 13:40, Arno Welzel wrote:
    Carlos E.R., 2024-02-18 21:01:

    On 2024-02-18 20:42, Arno Welzel wrote:
    The Real Bev, 2024-02-18 19:22:
    [...]
    Sliding/swiping rather than tapping is NOT intuitive. When I got my >>>>>>> first smartphone I had to return calls because I couldn't answer them :-(

    At least tapping the option should be supported as well, even if sliding >>>>>> was the original intended way.


    No.

    It is intentionally disabled to impede accidental tapping, like with >>>>> phone under the pillow or the pocket.

    Capacitive touchscreens can not be "tapped" under a pillow or inside a >>>> pocket since they need physical contact with a finger, so the
    capacitance of the sensor grid in the screen will change.

    LOL.

    No, physics.

    My "smart watch" touch screen is often been activated accidentally.

    For example, yesterday I was washing up some plates and glasses. My
    shirt long sleeves got humid, and it activated my watch repeatedly, and
    managed to erase the custom display by another. I had to go into the
    phone app and download/upload the custom display that I use, again.

    And what exactly has a humid shirt touching the unprotected touch screen
    on your smart watch which you wear on your wrist to do with a smartphone
    "under a pillow" or "in a pocket"?

    That it also reacts to accidental touches and does things.

    Buy an Apple Watch!


    --
    "Ave Caesar! Morituri te salutant!"

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Tue Feb 27 18:09:41 2024
    On 26.02.24 12:58, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2024-02-25 13:40, Arno Welzel wrote:
    Carlos E.R., 2024-02-18 21:01:

    On 2024-02-18 20:42, Arno Welzel wrote:
    The Real Bev, 2024-02-18 19:22:
    [...]
    Sliding/swiping rather than tapping is NOT intuitive. When I got my >>>>> first smartphone I had to return calls because I couldn't answer them :-( >>>>
    At least tapping the option should be supported as well, even if sliding >>>> was the original intended way.


    No.

    It is intentionally disabled to impede accidental tapping, like with
    phone under the pillow or the pocket.

    Capacitive touchscreens can not be "tapped" under a pillow or inside a
    pocket since they need physical contact with a finger, so the
    capacitance of the sensor grid in the screen will change.

    LOL.

    My "smart watch" touch screen is often been activated accidentally.

    For example, yesterday I was washing up some plates and glasses. My
    shirt long sleeves got humid, and it activated my watch repeatedly, and managed to erase the custom display by another. I had to go into the
    phone app and download/upload the custom display that I use, again.

    I had to do this many times over the two or three years I own this watch.

    Buy an Apple watch.


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    "Ave Caesar! Morituri te salutant!"

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 1 13:05:07 2024
    Carlos E.R., 2024-02-26 22:44:

    On 2024-02-26 19:59, Arno Welzel wrote:
    Carlos E.R., 2024-02-26 12:58:
    [...]
    For example, yesterday I was washing up some plates and glasses. My
    shirt long sleeves got humid, and it activated my watch repeatedly, and
    managed to erase the custom display by another. I had to go into the
    phone app and download/upload the custom display that I use, again.

    And what exactly has a humid shirt touching the unprotected touch screen
    on your smart watch which you wear on your wrist to do with a smartphone
    "under a pillow" or "in a pocket"?

    That it also reacts to accidental touches and does things.

    When I have my phone in my bag, it won't react to anything at all since
    there are no things which change the screen capacity.

    I have more than once stopped the alarm clock when I wanted to snooze,
    by accident when trying to get hold of the phone.

    "trying to get hold of the phone" also has nothing to do with "under a
    pillow" or "in a pocket".

    Anyway - I understand why "swipe" may be useful to avoid accential
    actions. However not all smartphones require this to disable alarms and personally I never did an accidental phone call in my life nor any
    accidental disabling of alarms etc. - but from time to time I see people
    *not* locking their phones before they put them back to their pockets
    and I believe this is often also the cause of unintentional actions.

    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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