• Re: Can I watch the superbowl free on Android or Windows this Sunday?

    From AJL@21:1/5 to micky on Sat Feb 17 19:34:47 2024
    On 2/17/24 11:41 AM, micky wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg ><this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:


    Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
    longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I >>> first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
    Windows repairs.

    It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you -
    crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do >>with home repair - to alt.home.repair.

    Almost all of mine and most of the others threads are marked OT, off
    topic. Anyone can make a filter so they don't see off-topic posts. Even
    when they are not marked OT, people can quickly see when they are off
    topic.

    Usenet use is decreasing and there aren't enough home repair posts to
    keep the ng interesting.


    I agree. I prefer most any traffic to a dead group which the Android group I
    monitor is much of the time. But I'll use this post to test out a new
    Samsung Galaxy S9FE Android tablet (toy) for the first time on Usenet so I
    hope the OT cops will find it acceptable on the Android group anyway.
    Unfortunately I don't think this Android newsreader crossposts (bug or
    perhaps on purpose?) so you folks in the other non-Android groups may miss
    this (gasp) OT post anyway...



    By doing that, they/you turn it
    into a troll group,

    No, it's a general discussion group. The whole idea that *every* group
    has to be limited to one topic is silly in the first place. It made and >makes sense to have topics, as specified in the group name, so that
    people who want to discuss a given topic can choose where to go to find >people of like interests, but the idea that everyone has only one
    interest is false. What's true, and the advantage of discussing other >topics in addition to the named one, is that when you read posts and
    replies by a given set of people, regular posters on a given group, you
    learn who is smart and who is an idiot, whose opinion, by dint of prior >posts, you should respect and whose you should not, Then when they
    write about other topics, you can apply that same standard.

    a group polluted/ruined by trolls.

    And you're not even using the right definition of troll. Trolls are
    those who post false or outrageous posts in order to get a reaction.
    Like some fishermen troll for fish, they troll for startled or angry
    replies. We've had a few of those for a decade or more, maybe always,
    but afaict no more now than over the years. They are easy to ignore.

    What tends to ruin home.repair is the lack of young people using Usenet. >Older people have solved most of their home repair problems already.
    Young people who just bought houses have the most problems and the least >knowledge, but like the rest of Usenet, we have few or zero people like
    that. They use the web, despite its inferiority. But the off-topic
    posts keep a moderate number of people reading who are there to talk
    about home repair when someone comes up with a topic.

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  • From Patrick@21:1/5 to AJL on Sat Feb 17 17:49:17 2024
    On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 19:34:47 -0000 (UTC), AJL wrote:
    What tends to ruin home.repair is the lack of young people using Usenet.

    Many news servers have put a.h.r into the "poisoned" newsgroup category.
    Due to constant off topic posts which have nothing to do with home repair.

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Patrick on Sun Feb 18 01:27:23 2024
    On 2/17/24 4:49 PM, Patrick wrote:

    On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 19:34:47 -0000 (UTC), AJL wrote:
    What tends to ruin home.repair is the lack of young people using Usenet.

    Many news servers have put a.h.r into the "poisoned" newsgroup category.
    Due to constant off topic posts which have nothing to do with home repair.

    3 problems:

    1. I didn't write that quote.

    2. The OT police are going to get you for posting non-Android stuff in this
    Android group.

    3. And the bad guy group A.H.R. won't see it cause it wasn't cross posted.

    Course that's kinda my fault cause this Android newsreader deleted it last
    time. Probably just doesn't like 'poisoned' newsgroups?

    And again for the OT police Im posting this time with my trusty Chrome
    Tablet which also speaks Android...

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to patrick@oleary.com on Sat Feb 17 21:55:54 2024
    In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 17 Feb 2024 17:49:17 -0600, Patrick <patrick@oleary.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 19:34:47 -0000 (UTC), AJL wrote:
    What tends to ruin home.repair is the lack of young people using Usenet.

    Many news servers have put a.h.r into the "poisoned" newsgroup category.
    Due to constant off topic posts which have nothing to do with home repair.

    Name a couple.

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  • From Newyana2@21:1/5 to Patrick on Sat Feb 17 22:53:33 2024
    "Patrick" <patrick@oleary.com> wrote

    | >>What tends to ruin home.repair is the lack of young people using Usenet.
    |
    | Many news servers have put a.h.r into the "poisoned" newsgroup category.
    | Due to constant off topic posts which have nothing to do with home repair.


    That's been a problem for years with a lot of groups. Groups
    like home repair are especially bad because they attract know-it-alls
    and people who like to form clicques. Then those people start to feel
    that they have seniority. As the audience ages it
    gets worse, but there are some groups I left many years ago
    because they were controlled by clicques of know-it-alls. Home
    repair, webmaster, and of course Linux. Those groups were never
    civilized.

    Surprisingly, the Microsoft groups have always been the most
    civilized and the most helpful in my experience. Maybe that was
    because a lot of the regulars hoped to be recognized as MVPs.

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Sun Feb 18 16:06:07 2024
    On 2/18/24 8:15 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
    <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:


    Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
    longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I >> >> first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
    Windows repairs.

    It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you -
    crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do
    with home repair - to alt.home.repair.

    Almost all of mine and most of the others threads are marked OT, off
    topic. Anyone can make a filter so they don't see off-topic posts. Even
    when they are not marked OT, people can quickly see when they are off
    topic.

    Marking threads OT is no reason/excuse for crossposting to unrelated
    groups.

    Posting an off-topic article to a *single* group is somewhat accepted/
    acceptable. BTW, the tag is '[OT]', not just 'OT', because that will
    give false positives for some less capable newsreaders. (And indeed,
    some (many? most?) of your off-topic threads are not marked as such.)

    Usenet use is decreasing and there aren't enough home repair posts to
    keep the ng interesting.

    That's also no reason/excuse for crossposting to unrelated groups.

    By doing that, they/you turn it
    into a troll group,

    No, it's a general discussion group. The whole idea that *every* group
    has to be limited to one topic is silly in the first place.

    Opinion noted and ignored.

    It made and
    makes sense to have topics, as specified in the group name, so that
    people who want to discuss a given topic can choose where to go to find
    people of like interests, but the idea that everyone has only one
    interest is false.

    Indeed, people might have multiple areas of interest, that's *why*
    there are multiple groups. What was your point again!?

    What's true, and the advantage of discussing other
    topics in addition to the named one, is that when you read posts and
    replies by a given set of people, regular posters on a given group, you
    learn who is smart and who is an idiot, whose opinion, by dint of prior
    posts, you should respect and whose you should not, Then when they
    write about other topics, you can apply that same standard.

    Still no reason/excuse to crosspost to unrelated groups.

    a group polluted/ruined by trolls.

    And you're not even using the right definition of troll. Trolls are
    those who post false or outrageous posts in order to get a reaction.
    Like some fishermen troll for fish, they troll for startled or angry
    replies. We've had a few of those for a decade or more, maybe always,
    but afaict no more now than over the years. They are easy to ignore.

    Please don't give me/'us' any lessons on Usenet parlance. Crossposting
    to unrelated groups is a common troll(ish) tactic. Can't do the time,


    What tends to ruin home.repair is the lack of young people using Usenet.
    Older people have solved most of their home repair problems already.
    Young people who just bought houses have the most problems and the least
    knowledge, but like the rest of Usenet, we have few or zero people like
    that. They use the web, despite its inferiority. But the off-topic
    posts keep a moderate number of people reading who are there to talk
    about home repair when someone comes up with a topic.

    Again, off-topic posts are 'fine'/acceptable, crossposting to
    unrelated groups is not. End of story.


    Gosh Frank, your current many-post, cross-posted, non-OT marked, non-Android
    subject mattered (in this Android group), Usenet correct use sermons are a
    great example of what you seem to despise. Do as I say and not as I do?
    Anyway, keep up the good work cause it makes the place interesting. You too
    Micky... ;-)

    Again, this Android newsreader will probably sever the other group so
    apologies. On the other hand does it make my post more legal? Mentioning
    Android in a (gasp) Windows group? And I did mention the word Android here
    several times. Sure hope so... 8-O

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Sun Feb 18 16:28:36 2024
    On 2/18/24 9:10 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
    On 2/17/24 11:41 AM, micky wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
    <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:


    Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
    longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I >> >>> first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
    Windows repairs.

    It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you -
    crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do
    with home repair - to alt.home.repair.

    Almost all of mine and most of the others threads are marked OT, off
    topic. Anyone can make a filter so they don't see off-topic posts. Even
    when they are not marked OT, people can quickly see when they are off
    topic.

    Usenet use is decreasing and there aren't enough home repair posts to
    keep the ng interesting.


    I agree. I prefer most any traffic to a dead group which the Android group I >> monitor is much of the time.

    Please note that my citicism is *not* about off-topic posts, but about
    *crossposting* to totally unrelated groups.

    But I'll use this post to test out a new
    Samsung Galaxy S9FE Android tablet (toy) for the first time on Usenet so I >> hope the OT cops will find it acceptable on the Android group anyway.
    Unfortunately I don't think this Android newsreader crossposts (bug or
    perhaps on purpose?) so you folks in the other non-Android groups may miss >> this (gasp) OT post anyway...

    AFAICT, there are no "OT cops" (in comp.mobile.android)! At most
    there's *one*, but he shouts "off topic" to everything, mostly stuff
    which is perfectly on topic.

    BTW, you broke the crossposting (to alt.comp.os.windows-10), which is
    bad, because we now have seperate discussions in the two groups. I have >re-added alt.comp.os.windows-10 in attempt to undo part of the damage.

    I didn't break the crosspost, my newsreader did, and since I paid 2 bucks
    for it 5 years ago I'm not gonna stop using it until I get my money's
    worth. Besides what's more appropriate than an Android newsreader in an
    Android group? Unfortunately I no longer have any Android 9 or below
    devices (given to greatgrandkids) so my favorite (and only) Android
    multi-group newsreader Groundhog is now read only on my current devices...

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Sun Feb 18 18:00:35 2024
    On 2/18/24 9:45 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
    On 2/18/24 8:15 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
    <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
    [...]
    Gosh Frank, your current many-post, cross-posted, non-OT marked, non-Android >> subject mattered (in this Android group), Usenet correct use sermons are a >> great example of what you seem to despise. Do as I say and not as I do?
    Anyway, keep up the good work cause it makes the place interesting. You too >> Micky... ;-)

    When you get cocky, it's best to actually know what did and did not
    happen.

    This thread was *originally* crossposted to the two groups
    (comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10) and, as the Subject: header >indicates ("What!? Are we supposed to pay attention to the Subject:!?
    Get real!"), for some good/reasonable reason.

    Then there was thread drift. ("What!? 'thread drift'!? Can't happen on
    Usenet!") The thread drift was not related to either group, so there
    was, and is, no reason to cut the crossposts.

    Again, this Android newsreader will probably sever the other group so
    apologies. On the other hand does it make my post more legal? Mentioning
    Android in a (gasp) Windows group? And I did mention the word Android here >> several times. Sure hope so... 8-O

    Now you know that your Android newsreader cuts off groups, you
    shouldn't use it to respond to crossposted article.

    Aye aye sir...

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Sun Feb 18 18:02:40 2024
    On 2/18/24 9:52 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
    On 2/18/24 9:10 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
    On 2/17/24 11:41 AM, micky wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
    <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:


    Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the >> >> >>> longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
    first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than >> >> >>> Windows repairs.

    It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you -
    crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do >> >> >>with home repair - to alt.home.repair.

    Almost all of mine and most of the others threads are marked OT, off
    topic. Anyone can make a filter so they don't see off-topic posts. Even >> >> >when they are not marked OT, people can quickly see when they are off
    topic.

    Usenet use is decreasing and there aren't enough home repair posts to
    keep the ng interesting.


    I agree. I prefer most any traffic to a dead group which the Android group I
    monitor is much of the time.

    Please note that my citicism is *not* about off-topic posts, but about
    *crossposting* to totally unrelated groups.

    But I'll use this post to test out a new
    Samsung Galaxy S9FE Android tablet (toy) for the first time on Usenet so I
    hope the OT cops will find it acceptable on the Android group anyway.
    Unfortunately I don't think this Android newsreader crossposts (bug or >> >> perhaps on purpose?) so you folks in the other non-Android groups may miss
    this (gasp) OT post anyway...

    AFAICT, there are no "OT cops" (in comp.mobile.android)! At most
    there's *one*, but he shouts "off topic" to everything, mostly stuff
    which is perfectly on topic.

    BTW, you broke the crossposting (to alt.comp.os.windows-10), which is
    bad, because we now have seperate discussions in the two groups. I have
    re-added alt.comp.os.windows-10 in attempt to undo part of the damage.

    I didn't break the crosspost, my newsreader did, and since I paid 2 bucks
    for it 5 years ago I'm not gonna stop using it until I get my money's
    worth. Besides what's more appropriate than an Android newsreader in an
    Android group? Unfortunately I no longer have any Android 9 or below
    devices (given to greatgrandkids) so my favorite (and only) Android
    multi-group newsreader Groundhog is now read only on my current devices...

    Duh! Of course I know that your newsreader broke the crossposting, but
    because you *know* it does that, you shouldn't use it to respond to >crossposted postings, because it creates seperate, duplicate discussions
    is the affected groups.

    Aye aye sir...

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Sun Feb 18 20:10:56 2024
    On 2/18/24 11:21 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
    On 2/18/24 9:45 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
    On 2/18/24 8:15 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
    <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
    [...]
    Gosh Frank, your current many-post, cross-posted, non-OT marked, non-Android
    subject mattered (in this Android group), Usenet correct use sermons are a
    great example of what you seem to despise. Do as I say and not as I do? >> >> Anyway, keep up the good work cause it makes the place interesting. You too
    Micky... ;-)

    When you get cocky, it's best to actually know what did and did not
    happen.

    This thread was *originally* crossposted to the two groups
    (comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10) and, as the Subject: header
    indicates ("What!? Are we supposed to pay attention to the Subject:!?
    Get real!"), for some good/reasonable reason.

    Then there was thread drift. ("What!? 'thread drift'!? Can't happen on
    Usenet!") The thread drift was not related to either group, so there
    was, and is, no reason to cut the crossposts.

    Non response duly noted.

    Again, this Android newsreader will probably sever the other group so
    apologies. On the other hand does it make my post more legal? Mentioning >> >> Android in a (gasp) Windows group? And I did mention the word Android here
    several times. Sure hope so... 8-O

    Now you know that your Android newsreader cuts off groups, you
    shouldn't use it to respond to crossposted article.

    Aye aye sir...

    I don't know why - this time - you behave the way you behave, but it's
    clear you've not been following the (sub)thread(s), yet apparently still
    feel the need to criticize me with bogus and rather offensive >(non-)arguments.

    So no, saying "Aye aye sir..." only adds to the offense.

    You mean the offense of playing net-cop? It's not offensive to me. Even when
    it has nothing to do with Android. Better than being dead. The NewsGroup I
    mean...

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to micky on Sun Feb 18 22:00:49 2024
    On 2/18/24 2:33 PM, micky wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on 18 Feb 2024 16:10:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg ><this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

    AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
    On 2/17/24 11:41 AM, micky wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
    <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:


    Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
    longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
    first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than >>> >>> Windows repairs.

    It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you -
    crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do >>> >>with home repair - to alt.home.repair.

    Almost all of mine and most of the others threads are marked OT, off
    topic. Anyone can make a filter so they don't see off-topic posts. Even >>> >when they are not marked OT, people can quickly see when they are off
    topic.

    Usenet use is decreasing and there aren't enough home repair posts to
    keep the ng interesting.


    I agree. I prefer most any traffic to a dead group which the Android group I
    monitor is much of the time.

    Please note that my citicism is *not* about off-topic posts, but about >>*crossposting* to totally unrelated groups.

    I'm glad you brought that up. I have never started a thread that went
    to any group I didn't think was related. In practice, they were not
    just related but clearly related.

    I may have once accidentally added a group in a reply a week or two ago.
    I have trouble remembering the names of many groups, including both
    groups to which this is posted, the android and windows group. What I >normally do rather than guess at the spelling is visit the group,
    display headers, and copy the name, then go back to the unfinished post
    and put the name in. A week or two ago I had 3 or maybe 4 posts almost
    ready to go, and to each I added one ng name and sent them. One of them >might have been waiting for something else, not the ng name I put in, so
    that would have been an unrelated posting. I figured it was no big deal
    but now I apologize.

    What I don't do is trim groups off a reply post in an existing thread, >because people may be reading any ng I might trim, and they will want to
    see all the replies, even if they have drifted off-topic.

    Also, when someone trims groups, and he trims the one I've posted from,
    the one I'm reading every day, it means if I want to see his answer and
    those who reply to him, I have to open and go read, in practice, all the >other, up to 3, other groups to which the post had been sent. That is a
    real inconvenience, and I'm sure there are times I don't see them all or >reply even to ones that call out for a reply.

    I was told by someone 20 or 30 years ago that it was improper, a
    violation of netiquette, to remove groups, for these very reasons. Since
    then I've occasionally complained when others do this, and I was told
    it's not a violation of netiquette, so I googled, couldn't find that
    rule, and stopped complaining, though I didn't change what I do or don't
    do. And later I've realized that those who post via google groups can
    only post to the ng they are reading, so that's also made me feel
    better, and I've probably stopped noticing when it happens.

    But I'll use this post to test out a new
    Samsung Galaxy S9FE Android tablet (toy) for the first time on Usenet so I



    AJL, don't have a tablet, not likely to do Usenet from my phone, but
    what app are you using? All the formatting has been correct so it seems
    to work well.

    PhoNews Pro. I'm currently using it to post from a Chrome tablet. But when
    I'm out and need to kill time I sometimes use it to post from my phone as
    well...



    hope the OT cops will find it acceptable on the Android group anyway.
    Unfortunately I don't think this Android newsreader crossposts (bug or
    perhaps on purpose?) so you folks in the other non-Android groups may miss >>> this (gasp) OT post anyway...

    AFAICT, there are no "OT cops" (in comp.mobile.android)! At most
    there's *one*, but he shouts "off topic" to everything, mostly stuff
    which is perfectly on topic.

    BTW, you broke the crossposting (to alt.comp.os.windows-10), which is >>bad, because we now have seperate discussions in the two groups. I have >>re-added alt.comp.os.windows-10 in attempt to undo part of the damage.

    Yes, good, that's for the same reason I don't trim groups. So maybe >trimming is a violation of netiquette, at least sometimes?

    If you missed it PhoNews doesn't crosspost which annoys some here. Since I
    only monitor this one group it has never really bothered me all that much.
    At least not enough to dig out my old (yuk) Windows LT...



    [...]

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Mon Feb 19 00:35:21 2024
    On 2/18/24 4:42 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2024-02-18 23:00, AJL wrote:
    On 2/18/24 2:33 PM, micky wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on 18 Feb 2024 16:10:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg
    <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

    ...


    Yes, good, that's for the same reason I don't trim groups.   So maybe
    trimming is a violation of netiquette, at least sometimes?

    If you missed it PhoNews doesn't crosspost which annoys some here. Since I >> only monitor this one group it has never really bothered me all that much. >> At least not enough to dig out my old (yuk) Windows LT...

    It bothers those of us who are reading the thread on a different group
    than you.

    If you're reading a group other than the Android group you shouldn't see my
    posts. That's likely a good thing for you. Be thankful. But somehow you
    still manage to see my posts elsewhere. So you'll have to blame someone
    else for crossposting them there. I only monitor and post in this one
    Android group so without some unwanted help I should be easily ignored.
    Good luck all...

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Mon Feb 19 03:26:47 2024
    On 2/18/24 6:57 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2024-02-19 01:35, AJL wrote:

    If you're reading a group other than the Android group you shouldn't see my >> posts. That's likely a good thing for you. Be thankful. But somehow you
    still manage to see my posts elsewhere. So you'll have to blame someone
    else for crossposting them there. I only monitor and post in this one
    Android group so without some unwanted help I should be easily ignored.
    Good luck all...

    I read both groups. And I try to read all the posts.
    It is a nuisance when somebody insists on writing and breaking the tread
    by posting to only one of them, forcing me to check both groups instead
    of deleting one.

    That makes no sense. If you already read both groups how am I forcing you to
    read both groups by only posting to one?? And why would you delete a whole
    group anyway since a lot of the posts there are likely NOT crossposted...

    That you do not want to write on windows group is irrelevant,

    I have nothing against any group. This newsreader simply doesn't crosspost.

    your method is not polite.

    I think that much of the crossposting that I see in this Android group is
    what's impolite. The recent net-cop Micky bashing thread and this current
    crosspost bitchfest are examples. But then I'm to blame as well for taking
    the bait. However as I've often said any traffic, even your "impolite"
    traffic, makes interesting reading and keeps the group alive. So carry
    on...

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Mon Feb 19 16:36:28 2024
    On 2/19/24 9:06 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
    On 2/18/24 11:21 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
    On 2/18/24 9:45 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
    On 2/18/24 8:15 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg >> >> >> >> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
    [...]
    Gosh Frank, your current many-post, cross-posted, non-OT marked, non-Android
    subject mattered (in this Android group), Usenet correct use sermons are a
    great example of what you seem to despise. Do as I say and not as I do?
    Anyway, keep up the good work cause it makes the place interesting. You too
    Micky... ;-)

    When you get cocky, it's best to actually know what did and did not
    happen.

    This thread was *originally* crossposted to the two groups
    (comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10) and, as the Subject: header >> >> >indicates ("What!? Are we supposed to pay attention to the Subject:!?
    Get real!"), for some good/reasonable reason.

    Then there was thread drift. ("What!? 'thread drift'!? Can't happen on >> >> >Usenet!") The thread drift was not related to either group, so there
    was, and is, no reason to cut the crossposts.

    Non response duly noted.

    Again, this Android newsreader will probably sever the other group so >> >> >> apologies. On the other hand does it make my post more legal? Mentioning
    Android in a (gasp) Windows group? And I did mention the word Android here
    several times. Sure hope so... 8-O

    Now you know that your Android newsreader cuts off groups, you
    shouldn't use it to respond to crossposted article.

    Aye aye sir...

    I don't know why - this time - you behave the way you behave, but it's
    clear you've not been following the (sub)thread(s), yet apparently still
    feel the need to criticize me with bogus and rather offensive
    (non-)arguments.

    So no, saying "Aye aye sir..." only adds to the offense.

    You mean the offense of playing net-cop? It's not offensive to me. Even when >> it has nothing to do with Android. Better than being dead. The NewsGroup I >> mean...

    Not quite. The false and rather offensive accusation of double
    standards. (The playing net-cop criticism is bogus, but that's not my
    main beef.)

    Whew. That main beef, is it well done?

    Again, that you don't follow the thread is fine, but slinging
    offensive accusations around, because you can't be bothered to backtrack
    what you didn't read, is a no-no in my book.

    What does your book say about continuing this non-Android BS in the Android
    group? I mean it makes interesting reading and the tit for tat is fun, but
    isn't it against your long published scruples? Do as I say... ;)

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Mon Feb 19 16:40:57 2024
    On 2/19/24 9:06 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on 18 Feb 2024 16:10:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg
    <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

    AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
    On 2/17/24 11:41 AM, micky wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
    <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:


    Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the >> >> >>> longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
    first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than >> >> >>> Windows repairs.

    It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you -
    crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do >> >> >>with home repair - to alt.home.repair.

    Almost all of mine and most of the others threads are marked OT, off
    topic. Anyone can make a filter so they don't see off-topic posts. Even >> >> >when they are not marked OT, people can quickly see when they are off
    topic.

    Usenet use is decreasing and there aren't enough home repair posts to
    keep the ng interesting.


    I agree. I prefer most any traffic to a dead group which the Android group I
    monitor is much of the time.

    Please note that my citicism is *not* about off-topic posts, but about
    *crossposting* to totally unrelated groups.

    I'm glad you brought that up. I have never started a thread that went
    to any group I didn't think was related. In practice, they were not
    just related but clearly related.

    Sigh!

    You *frequently* crosspost to totally unrelated groups. Specifically -
    as I explained several times - your crossposting to alt.home.repair is >*nearly always* improper, because your topic is not even remotely
    related to home repair.

    [Details of practice of not stripping groups - which is GOOD - deleted.]

    Sure sounds like a net-cop to me. Or mother? Or a non-Sunday sermon? ;)

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Mon Feb 19 16:44:43 2024
    On 2/19/24 9:07 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
    On 2/18/24 6:57 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2024-02-19 01:35, AJL wrote:

    If you're reading a group other than the Android group you shouldn't see my
    posts. That's likely a good thing for you. Be thankful. But somehow you >> >> still manage to see my posts elsewhere. So you'll have to blame someone >> >> else for crossposting them there. I only monitor and post in this one
    Android group so without some unwanted help I should be easily ignored. >> >> Good luck all...

    I read both groups. And I try to read all the posts.
    It is a nuisance when somebody insists on writing and breaking the tread
    by posting to only one of them, forcing me to check both groups instead
    of deleting one.

    That makes no sense. If you already read both groups how am I forcing you to >> read both groups by only posting to one?? And why would you delete a whole >> group anyway since a lot of the posts there are likely NOT crossposted...

    It's not that you respond, but that people respond to you, *after*
    you've broken the crosspost. Those responses don't appear is the cut-off >group, creating two unconnected discussions for those people who *do*
    want to follow the thread, i.e. people who are subscribed to >alt.comp.os.windows-10 are cut off from the subthread after you broke
    the crosspost.

    IOW, it's not about your posts, it's about *other* people's posts,
    after *you* broke the crosspost.

    That you do not want to write on windows group is irrelevant,

    I have nothing against any group. This newsreader simply doesn't crosspost.

    So, as I said, you should stop using it to respond to crossposted
    articles. (Using it to respond to articles posted to a single group is
    of course fine.)

    your method is not polite.

    I think that much of the crossposting that I see in this Android group is
    what's impolite.

    Get a clue, will you!? The original crosspost was OK. READ the
    Subject: header.

    The recent net-cop Micky bashing

    Get off your uninformed high horse! There's no 'net-cop Micky
    bashing'! *micky* responded to *my* comment that I filtered unrelated >crossposts to the troll-group alt.home.repair. Again you haven't read
    the (sub-)thread(s), but throw around accusations.

    and this current
    crosspost bitchfest are examples.

    This is only a 'bitchfest', because you keep on doing the wrong thing
    (break the crosspost), against the advice of - apparently - much more >experienced Usenet users (me, Carlos).

    Note that micky has said the same thing - don't break crossposts - so
    by your 'logic' he's both a 'victim' (of me alleged net-cop actions)
    *and* the 'enemy' (because he's against you in this 'crosspost
    bitchfest').

    But then I'm to blame as well for taking >> the bait. However as I've often said any traffic, even your "impolite"
    traffic, makes interesting reading and keeps the group alive. So carry
    on...

    I know you don't mind 'too much' traffic in comp.mobile.android, but
    realize that your (impolite) practice (of breaking crossposts) also
    results in *too little* traffic in the cut-off group.

    Nah. Changed my mind. Sounds more like mother... ;)

    But keep up the OT sermons. We need the traffic in a slow Android group...

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Mon Feb 19 19:41:51 2024
    On 2/19/24 12:06 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
    On 2/19/24 9:06 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on 18 Feb 2024 16:10:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg
    <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

    AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
    On 2/17/24 11:41 AM, micky wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg >> >> >> ><this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:


    Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
    longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
    first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
    Windows repairs.

    It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you -
    crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do
    with home repair - to alt.home.repair.

    Almost all of mine and most of the others threads are marked OT, off >> >> >> >topic. Anyone can make a filter so they don't see off-topic posts. Even
    when they are not marked OT, people can quickly see when they are off >> >> >> >topic.

    Usenet use is decreasing and there aren't enough home repair posts to >> >> >> >keep the ng interesting.


    I agree. I prefer most any traffic to a dead group which the Android group I
    monitor is much of the time.

    Please note that my citicism is *not* about off-topic posts, but about >> >> >*crossposting* to totally unrelated groups.

    I'm glad you brought that up. I have never started a thread that went
    to any group I didn't think was related. In practice, they were not
    just related but clearly related.

    Sigh!

    You *frequently* crosspost to totally unrelated groups. Specifically -
    as I explained several times - your crossposting to alt.home.repair is
    *nearly always* improper, because your topic is not even remotely
    related to home repair.

    [Details of practice of not stripping groups - which is GOOD - deleted.]

    Sure sounds like a net-cop to me. Or mother? Or a non-Sunday sermon? ;)

    I see. I say that micky isn't actually doing what he claims he's doing
    *AND* I commend him for his proper way of not breaking crossposts, but
    that somehow magically makes me a net-cop. Rather peculiar definition of >net-cop.

    A cop is one who tells others what they do wrong. A net-cop is one who tells
    others what they do wrong on useNET. You can read some of your lecturing
    near the -"*including* you- quotes you provided above. If the shoe fits...
    (winky removed upon request) Your turn to post OT in the Android group
    cause I did my part... ;) Damn, just couldn't help it, the winky just
    slipped out... 8-O

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Mon Feb 19 20:59:16 2024
    On 2/19/24 12:59 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote

    a 'cop' *might* 'correct' and commend in the same exchange, but
    that's not very likely, is it!?

    Probably not. With 25 years on the job I found it was mostly negative
    contacts.

    But I get it, any time anyone says something 'negative' and something >positive, (s)he's a 'cop'.

    I think most folks would consider a net-cop to be one who critizes other's
    Usenet procedures.

    From now on, only positive feedback on these groups or you'll face the
    wrath of AJL,

    Nope. No worries unless you're Frank playing net-cop.

    or worse, his 'humour'.

    Now you've really hurt me.

    I think were done. Agreed?

    Sounds good. I hear the folks here in the Android group already clapping.

    You act like a jerk. News at eleven.

    I love you too Frank... ;)

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