On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:25:30?PM UTC-6, kelown wrote:
My daughter found a way to make calls using my Wifi.How does WhatsApp handle inbound calls? How does your daughter make
I installed WhatsApp on my phone.
It uses my WiFi to make calls.
outbound calls when no WiFi is available?
WhatsApp uses a Wi-Fi connection to communicate cross-platform, unlike Apple iMessage and Messages by Google, which require cellular networks and Short Message Service (SMS).
WhatsApp's use of Wi-Fi is cost-effective, making it popular with users who do not have data plans with unlimited calls and text messaging.
I don't know of anything anymore that can use the cell signal that can't
also be done with wifi.
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 08:12:36 -0800 (PST), AK <scientist77017@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:25:30?PM UTC-6, kelown wrote:
My daughter found a way to make calls using my Wifi.How does WhatsApp handle inbound calls? How does your daughter make
I installed WhatsApp on my phone.
It uses my WiFi to make calls.
outbound calls when no WiFi is available?
WhatsApp uses a Wi-Fi connection to communicate cross-platform, unlike Apple iMessage and Messages by Google, which require cellular networks and Short Message Service (SMS).
I think you'll find that they can use wifi too. Most people with cell
phones have cellular coverage everywhere, and texts use so little data,
that no one thinks about or talks about whether the transmission is
cellular or by wifi.
I don't know of anything anymore that can use the cell signal that can't
also be done with wifi.
What couldn't use wifi in early years were regular dialing and SMS, but
then they developed wifi-calling, as an adjuct to normal calling, which
iiuc most but not all phones have in recent years. That was when phone calls, which were the original purpose of cell phones, used a different, earlier protocol than all the other later apps on the phone. Then iiuc
they developed VOIP, voice over IP (Well, I guess wifi calling itself
used VOIP, right?), and then a few years ago, they switched all the
phone dialers to VOIP and abandoned the method that had been used.
(I've pieced this together from haphazard reading. Corrections
welcome.)
If all the phones now use VOIP, how is it that in some places with weak signals you can make phone calls but can't use other apps? If anything
it should be the opposite, because if the signal is weak, packets have
to be resent, so that the signal is slow, that won't affect, other than slowing response, something like a web browser, but it would make a live phone conversation almost impossible to maintain!
WhatsApp's use of Wi-Fi is cost-effective, making it popular with users who do not have data plans with unlimited calls and text messaging.
No, but it's certainly popular because you can make international calls
for free, and my impression is that whatsapp had video calling before
the factory-included dialers did. Although skype had it when whatsapp
was just a gleam in its father's eye.
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> Wrote in message:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 08:12:36 -0800 (PST), AK
<scientist77017@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:25:30?PM UTC-6, kelown wrote:
My daughter found a way to make calls using my Wifi.How does WhatsApp handle inbound calls? How does your daughter make
I installed WhatsApp on my phone.
It uses my WiFi to make calls.
outbound calls when no WiFi is available?
WhatsApp uses a Wi-Fi connection to communicate cross-platform, unlike Apple iMessage and Messages by Google, which require cellular networks and Short Message Service (SMS).
I think you'll find that they can use wifi too. Most people with cell
phones have cellular coverage everywhere, and texts use so little data,
that no one thinks about or talks about whether the transmission is
cellular or by wifi.
I don't know of anything anymore that can use the cell signal that can't
also be done with wifi.
What couldn't use wifi in early years were regular dialing and SMS, but
then they developed wifi-calling, as an adjuct to normal calling, which
iiuc most but not all phones have in recent years. That was when phone
calls, which were the original purpose of cell phones, used a different,
earlier protocol than all the other later apps on the phone. Then iiuc
they developed VOIP, voice over IP (Well, I guess wifi calling itself
used VOIP, right?), and then a few years ago, they switched all the
phone dialers to VOIP and abandoned the method that had been used.
(I've pieced this together from haphazard reading. Corrections
welcome.)
The world - or even one country, the UK - is more heterogeneous
than you suggest
Not all phones are smartphones.
Not all phones provide wifi calling.
Not all networks provide wifi calling.
Not all network operators provide wifi calling. (In the UK many
cheaper MVNOs don't, and even some MNO's don't on their PAYG
services.)
VOIP is not the same thing as Wifi Calling. Wifi calling uses VOIP
but so do 4g and 5g cellular services.
Not all users have 'mobile data' turned on all the time.
A user may have run out of mobile data allowance and credit.
If all the phones now use VOIP, how is it that in some places with weak
signals you can make phone calls but can't use other apps? If anything
it should be the opposite, because if the signal is weak, packets have
to be resent, so that the signal is slow, that won't affect, other than
slowing response, something like a web browser, but it would make a live
phone conversation almost impossible to maintain!
WhatsApp's use of Wi-Fi is cost-effective, making it popular with users who do not have data plans with unlimited calls and text messaging.
No, but it's certainly popular because you can make international calls
for free, and my impression is that whatsapp had video calling before
the factory-included dialers did. Although skype had it when whatsapp
was just a gleam in its father's eye.
GSM (and Skype) had video calls before smartphones existed.
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 13:00:13 -0500, micky wrote:
I don't know of anything anymore that can use the cell signal that can't
also be done with wifi.
In Consumer Cellular's network, Wifi Calling doesn't work unless you
also have a cell signal.
Consumer Cellular is a reseller of AT&T and T-Mobile, and it's cheap
but customer service leaves a lot to be desired. There's no signal in >downtown Tehachapi. A C.C. rep suggested Wifi Calling, which did not
work at all. It took me multiple calls to Customer Service before I
finally got someone who knew what they were talking about and
admitted that in their system Wifi calling wasn't _supposed_ to work
unless you had a cell signal.
When I asked what was the point of Wifi calling, since you could only
use it when it was unnecessary, they had no answer. In September I
switched to a Verizon MVNO, for only slightly more than I'd been
paying C.C.
On 2024-02-08 19:00, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 08:12:36 -0800 (PST), AK
<scientist77017@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:25:30?PM UTC-6, kelown wrote:
My daughter found a way to make calls using my Wifi.
...
If all the phones now use VOIP, how is it that in some places with weak
signals you can make phone calls but can't use other apps? If anything
it should be the opposite, because if the signal is weak, packets have
to be resent, so that the signal is slow, that won't affect, other than
slowing response, something like a web browser, but it would make a live
phone conversation almost impossible to maintain!
The... lets call native voice system, originally GSM, is more robust for >voice in real time than VoIP.
WhatsApp's use of Wi-Fi is cost-effective, making it popular with users who do not have data plans with unlimited calls and text messaging.
No, but it's certainly popular because you can make international calls
for free, and my impression is that whatsapp had video calling before
the factory-included dialers did. Although skype had it when whatsapp
was just a gleam in its father's eye.
Sometimes people call me on whatsapp instead of the phone "native"
system, by finger mistake, and we can barely hear one another.
In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 11:04:59 -0800, Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 13:00:13 -0500, micky wrote:
I don't know of anything anymore that can use the cell signal that can't >>> also be done with wifi.
In Consumer Cellular's network, Wifi Calling doesn't work unless you
also have a cell signal.
Consumer Cellular is a reseller of AT&T and T-Mobile, and it's cheap
but customer service leaves a lot to be desired. There's no signal in
downtown Tehachapi. A C.C. rep suggested Wifi Calling, which did not
work at all. It took me multiple calls to Customer Service before I
finally got someone who knew what they were talking about and
admitted that in their system Wifi calling wasn't _supposed_ to work
unless you had a cell signal.
When I asked what was the point of Wifi calling, since you could only
Those were exactly the words that came to me, each time, when reading
your first two paragraphs. "What was the point of wifi calling...
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 08:12:36 -0800 (PST), AK <scientist77017@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:25:30?PM UTC-6, kelown wrote:
My daughter found a way to make calls using my Wifi.
If all the phones now use VOIP, how is it that in some places with weak signals you can make phone calls but can't use other apps? If anything
it should be the opposite, because if the signal is weak, packets have
to be resent, so that the signal is slow, that won't affect, other than slowing response, something like a web browser, but it would make a live phone conversation almost impossible to maintain!
WhatsApp's use of Wi-Fi is cost-effective, making it popular with users who do not have data plans with unlimited calls and text messaging.
No, but it's certainly popular because you can make international calls
for free, and my impression is that whatsapp had video calling before
the factory-included dialers did. Although skype had it when whatsapp
was just a gleam in its father's eye.
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 08:12:36 -0800 (PST), AK <scientist77017@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:25:30?PM UTC-6, kelown wrote:
My daughter found a way to make calls using my Wifi.How does WhatsApp handle inbound calls? How does your daughter make
I installed WhatsApp on my phone.
It uses my WiFi to make calls.
outbound calls when no WiFi is available?
WhatsApp uses a Wi-Fi connection to communicate cross-platform, unlike Apple iMessage and Messages by Google, which require cellular networks and Short Message Service (SMS).
I think you'll find that they can use wifi too. Most people with cell
phones have cellular coverage everywhere, and texts use so little data,
that no one thinks about or talks about whether the transmission is
cellular or by wifi.
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 22:24:10 +0100, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-02-08 19:00, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 08:12:36 -0800 (PST), AK
<scientist77017@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:25:30?PM UTC-6, kelown wrote:
My daughter found a way to make calls using my Wifi.
...
If all the phones now use VOIP, how is it that in some places with weak
signals you can make phone calls but can't use other apps? If anything
it should be the opposite, because if the signal is weak, packets have
to be resent, so that the signal is slow, that won't affect, other than
slowing response, something like a web browser, but it would make a live >>> phone conversation almost impossible to maintain!
The... lets call native voice system, originally GSM, is more robust for
voice in real time than VoIP.
And I guess there are no packets to resend. It's not digital? but more
like broadcase radio, but on a specific channel?
WhatsApp's use of Wi-Fi is cost-effective, making it popular with users who do not have data plans with unlimited calls and text messaging.
No, but it's certainly popular because you can make international calls
for free, and my impression is that whatsapp had video calling before
the factory-included dialers did. Although skype had it when whatsapp
was just a gleam in its father's eye.
Sometimes people call me on whatsapp instead of the phone "native"
system, by finger mistake, and we can barely hear one another.
But I thought the native system had been ended and all there was was
voip?
I've had consistently good results with whatsapp, including for a dozen
60 minute video calls over the last 3 years, but ony a few audio calls.
On 2024-02-08 21:59, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 11:04:59 -0800, Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 13:00:13 -0500, micky wrote:
I don't know of anything anymore that can use the cell signal that can't >>> also be done with wifi.
In Consumer Cellular's network, Wifi Calling doesn't work unless you
also have a cell signal.
Consumer Cellular is a reseller of AT&T and T-Mobile, and it's cheap
but customer service leaves a lot to be desired. There's no signal in
downtown Tehachapi. A C.C. rep suggested Wifi Calling, which did not
work at all. It took me multiple calls to Customer Service before I
finally got someone who knew what they were talking about and
admitted that in their system Wifi calling wasn't _supposed_ to work
unless you had a cell signal.
When I asked what was the point of Wifi calling, since you could only
Those were exactly the words that came to me, each time, when reading
your first two paragraphs. "What was the point of wifi calling...
Price?
On 2024-02-08 10:00, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 08:12:36 -0800 (PST), AK
<scientist77017@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:25:30?PM UTC-6, kelown wrote:
My daughter found a way to make calls using my Wifi.How does WhatsApp handle inbound calls? How does your daughter make
I installed WhatsApp on my phone.
It uses my WiFi to make calls.
outbound calls when no WiFi is available?
WhatsApp uses a Wi-Fi connection to communicate cross-platform,
unlike Apple iMessage and Messages by Google, which require cellular
networks and Short Message Service (SMS).
I think you'll find that they can use wifi too. Most people with cell
phones have cellular coverage everywhere, and texts use so little data,
that no one thinks about or talks about whether the transmission is
cellular or by wifi.
And moreover, WhatsApp doesn't "use WiFi" with the implication that that
is the only method.
WhatsApp uses the internet and doesn't CARE whether it's connected via
WiFi, Ethernet, or your cellular data.
Furthemore Apple iMessage service does NOT "require" cellular networks
or Short Message Service to communicate with other iMessage users which
is the parallel to WhatsApp.
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 22:24:10 +0100, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-02-08 19:00, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 08:12:36 -0800 (PST), AK
<scientist77017@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:25:30?PM UTC-6, kelown wrote:
My daughter found a way to make calls using my Wifi.
...
If all the phones now use VOIP, how is it that in some places with weak
signals you can make phone calls but can't use other apps? If anything
it should be the opposite, because if the signal is weak, packets have
to be resent, so that the signal is slow, that won't affect, other than
slowing response, something like a web browser, but it would make a live >>> phone conversation almost impossible to maintain!
The... lets call native voice system, originally GSM, is more robust for >>voice in real time than VoIP.
And I guess there are no packets to resend. It's not digital? but more
like broadcase radio, but on a specific channel?
WhatsApp's use of Wi-Fi is cost-effective, making it popular with users who do not have data plans with unlimited calls and text messaging.
No, but it's certainly popular because you can make international calls
for free, and my impression is that whatsapp had video calling before
the factory-included dialers did. Although skype had it when whatsapp
was just a gleam in its father's eye.
Sometimes people call me on whatsapp instead of the phone "native"
system, by finger mistake, and we can barely hear one another.
But I thought the native system had been ended and all there was was
voip?
I've had consistently good results with whatsapp, including for a dozen
60 minute video calls over the last 3 years, but ony a few audio calls.
On 2024-02-08 22:48, Alan wrote:
On 2024-02-08 10:00, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 08:12:36 -0800 (PST), AK
<scientist77017@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:25:30?PM UTC-6, kelown wrote:
My daughter found a way to make calls using my Wifi.How does WhatsApp handle inbound calls? How does your daughter make
I installed WhatsApp on my phone.
It uses my WiFi to make calls.
outbound calls when no WiFi is available?
WhatsApp uses a Wi-Fi connection to communicate cross-platform,
unlike Apple iMessage and Messages by Google, which require cellular
networks and Short Message Service (SMS).
I think you'll find that they can use wifi too. Most people with cell
phones have cellular coverage everywhere, and texts use so little data,
that no one thinks about or talks about whether the transmission is
cellular or by wifi.
And moreover, WhatsApp doesn't "use WiFi" with the implication that
that is the only method.
WhatsApp uses the internet and doesn't CARE whether it's connected via
WiFi, Ethernet, or your cellular data.
Furthemore Apple iMessage service does NOT "require" cellular networks
or Short Message Service to communicate with other iMessage users
which is the parallel to WhatsApp.
Except when the communication is with a non Apple user, in which case it
is a regular SMS. iMessage is not cross-platform. WhatsApp is.
Sometimes people call me on whatsapp instead of the phone "native" >>>system, by finger mistake, and we can barely hear one another.
But I thought the native system had been ended and all there was was
voip?
4g and 5g uses voip. But it's over the carriers' dedicated
low-latency network, not the 'general internet' IIUC.
On 2024-02-08 22:40, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 22:24:10 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-02-08 19:00, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 8 Feb 2024 08:12:36 -0800 (PST), AK
<scientist77017@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:25:30?PM UTC-6, kelown wrote:
My daughter found a way to make calls using my Wifi.
...
If all the phones now use VOIP, how is it that in some places with weak >>>> signals you can make phone calls but can't use other apps? If anything >>>> it should be the opposite, because if the signal is weak, packets have >>>> to be resent, so that the signal is slow, that won't affect, other than >>>> slowing response, something like a web browser, but it would make a live >>>> phone conversation almost impossible to maintain!
The... lets call native voice system, originally GSM, is more robust for >>> voice in real time than VoIP.
And I guess there are no packets to resend. It's not digital? but more
like broadcase radio, but on a specific channel?
GSM is digital, with fixed slots. No re transmission, AFAIR, because it
is real-time. I would have to read the documentation again. I never
worked with it (and it appeared after I finished college), so my
knowledge is incomplete.
Or read this end to end :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM
WhatsApp's use of Wi-Fi is cost-effective, making it popular with users who do not have data plans with unlimited calls and text messaging.
No, but it's certainly popular because you can make international calls >>>> for free, and my impression is that whatsapp had video calling before
the factory-included dialers did. Although skype had it when whatsapp >>>> was just a gleam in its father's eye.
Sometimes people call me on whatsapp instead of the phone "native"
system, by finger mistake, and we can barely hear one another.
But I thought the native system had been ended and all there was was
voip?
The current native system, whatever it is now. I'm sure it is still more >robust than whatsapp or any other contender.
I've had consistently good results with whatsapp, including for a dozen
60 minute video calls over the last 3 years, but ony a few audio calls.
I just had an accidental wasap voice call this week, it was
"unreadable". Seconds later I just phoned the same number, and it was >perfect. And it is zero cost to me or the other party, so there is no
point in using wasap.
Yes, I use wasap video calls across the Atlantic and it is fantastic.
But these happen with both parties at home, so possibly both using WiFi, >whereas the wasap voice call I mentioned before, the other party was at
the beach.
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