• Smart watches.

    From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 29 16:14:01 2024
    Hi,

    I bought, about two years ago, a cheap smartwatch. A Mi Smart Band 6,
    from Xiaomi. I'm not really happy.

    Why?

    The touch screen activates on its own and does things I do not want. For instance, I just looked at it and it had changed the display to another
    one. You can use the application on the phone and choose the display you prefer, but several times it has changed on itself back to a different
    one. Apparently, if my shirt sleeves are accidentally wet the screen is activated constantly, but not only in that case.

    So perhaps I want some other watch that uses a button to activate, or a
    finger print. Dunno, something.

    Then it is very difficult or impossible to read in full day light.

    The application has faults. Everytime I open it it says it needs me to
    activate location permission. Heck, I already did that. It also asks
    that "allow this application runs in background". AFAIK, I did that. The instructions it gives do not match reality of Android 13.

    Sometimes, my clothes activate something in the watch and it says I have
    to update something first, no idea what. AFAIK, both app and watch are
    fully updated.

    It doesn't automatically send all my physical activity to the
    application, I had to do it manually to make sure.

    It is not aware of the phone being in no disturb mode. The application
    can forward notifications to the watch and make it vibrate; this can be
    useful, but not when I am sleeping!

    It doesn't seem to coordinate well with Android. Maybe it assumes some
    older Android version.


    So I am seeking for another one that is better. Preferably from actual
    personal experience, not google search. But I don't want an expensive or
    luxury thing.

    Ideas? :-)

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Mon Jan 29 16:46:06 2024
    Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    Hi,

    I bought, about two years ago, a cheap smartwatch. A Mi Smart Band 6,
    from Xiaomi. I'm not really happy.

    Why?

    The touch screen activates on its own and does things I do not want. For instance, I just looked at it and it had changed the display to another
    one. You can use the application on the phone and choose the display you prefer, but several times it has changed on itself back to a different
    one. Apparently, if my shirt sleeves are accidentally wet the screen is activated constantly, but not only in that case.

    So perhaps I want some other watch that uses a button to activate, or a finger print. Dunno, something.

    Then it is very difficult or impossible to read in full day light.

    The application has faults. Everytime I open it it says it needs me to activate location permission. Heck, I already did that. It also asks
    that "allow this application runs in background". AFAIK, I did that. The instructions it gives do not match reality of Android 13.

    Sometimes, my clothes activate something in the watch and it says I have
    to update something first, no idea what. AFAIK, both app and watch are
    fully updated.

    It doesn't automatically send all my physical activity to the
    application, I had to do it manually to make sure.

    It is not aware of the phone being in no disturb mode. The application
    can forward notifications to the watch and make it vibrate; this can be useful, but not when I am sleeping!

    It doesn't seem to coordinate well with Android. Maybe it assumes some
    older Android version.


    So I am seeking for another one that is better. Preferably from actual personal experience, not google search. But I don't want an expensive or luxury thing.

    Ideas? :-)

    I had a Xiaomi Mi Band 2 and know all about the lack of quality. Also
    needing an account with a Chinese company has become a no-no to me.

    Since then, we (my wife, me and several others in our family) have
    been using Fitbit devices. Ours are 'fitness trackers', not
    'smartwatches' (which Fitbit also have). Fitbit trackers are more
    expensive than Xiaomi Mi Bands, but not as expensive as smartwatches of
    most brands.

    We currently have the Fitbit Charge range. Mine is a Charge 5. My
    wife's is a Charge 4 (earlier model). There's now also a Charge 6.

    Like all electronic gadgets, these are not perfect, but - at least in
    our opinion - they're more your money worth than the Xiaomi Mi Bands.

    And, something to look forward to: Fitbit is now part of Google and
    soon you'll need a Google Account for them (now it's still a seperate
    Fitbit account)! So if you want something which 'Arlen' can whine about,
    go for it! :-)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Mon Jan 29 20:59:04 2024
    On 2024-01-29 17:46, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    Hi,



    Ideas? :-)

    I had a Xiaomi Mi Band 2 and know all about the lack of quality. Also needing an account with a Chinese company has become a no-no to me.

    Since then, we (my wife, me and several others in our family) have
    been using Fitbit devices. Ours are 'fitness trackers', not
    'smartwatches' (which Fitbit also have). Fitbit trackers are more
    expensive than Xiaomi Mi Bands, but not as expensive as smartwatches of
    most brands.

    We currently have the Fitbit Charge range. Mine is a Charge 5. My
    wife's is a Charge 4 (earlier model). There's now also a Charge 6.

    Like all electronic gadgets, these are not perfect, but - at least in
    our opinion - they're more your money worth than the Xiaomi Mi Bands.

    And, something to look forward to: Fitbit is now part of Google and
    soon you'll need a Google Account for them (now it's still a seperate
    Fitbit account)! So if you want something which 'Arlen' can whine about,
    go for it! :-)

    Being tied to a Google Account is a good thing for my purpose :-)

    It is "expensive", though. The charge 6 is 160€, compared to the 35 of
    the Mi Smart Band 6.

    Thanks, I located a report and will have a read.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Mon Jan 29 14:41:01 2024
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    Hi,

    I bought, about two years ago, a cheap smartwatch. A Mi Smart Band 6,
    from Xiaomi. I'm not really happy.

    Why?

    The touch screen activates on its own and does things I do not want. For instance, I just looked at it and it had changed the display to another
    one. You can use the application on the phone and choose the display you prefer, but several times it has changed on itself back to a different
    one. Apparently, if my shirt sleeves are accidentally wet the screen is activated constantly, but not only in that case.

    So perhaps I want some other watch that uses a button to activate, or a finger print. Dunno, something.

    Then it is very difficult or impossible to read in full day light.

    The application has faults. Everytime I open it it says it needs me to activate location permission. Heck, I already did that. It also asks
    that "allow this application runs in background". AFAIK, I did that. The instructions it gives do not match reality of Android 13.

    Sometimes, my clothes activate something in the watch and it says I have
    to update something first, no idea what. AFAIK, both app and watch are
    fully updated.

    It doesn't automatically send all my physical activity to the
    application, I had to do it manually to make sure.

    It is not aware of the phone being in no disturb mode. The application
    can forward notifications to the watch and make it vibrate; this can be useful, but not when I am sleeping!

    It doesn't seem to coordinate well with Android. Maybe it assumes some
    older Android version.

    So I am seeking for another one that is better. Preferably from actual personal experience, not google search. But I don't want an expensive or luxury thing.

    Ideas? :-)

    I've not owned a smartwatch. I did own a Fitbit, and it required
    concurrent presses on its sides, so 2 fingers were needed on different
    sides of the Fitbit. Once activated, I could swipe or press my finger
    on the screen to move between screens or make changes. It deactivated
    in about a minute from last input. The profile of your Mi Smart Band 6
    looks very similar to the Fitbit.

    I didn't like the wristband that came with the Fitbit. The buckle was a
    bulge that pushed farther into my wrist. I had to keep moving it up my
    wrist to eliminate pressure when at the computer, or spin around so just
    the rubber wristband pressed my wrist. Sleeping with it was very uncomfortable. I didn't need it at the gym since their equipment told
    me the same info, and more, than the Fitbit. I got a stretch band. No
    buckle, and breathed better (nylon strap versus rubber).

    I remember a touble-tap option on the Fitbit. 2 quick taps were needed
    to make changes or selections on a screen. However, double-tapping
    didn't wake the Fitbit. I still had to do the 2-finger concurrent press
    along the opposite sides of the Fitbit to wake it. Double-tapping, if available, might do something different on your smartwatch.

    I couldn't find an online manual for your smartphone at Xioami's web
    site, but did find one here:

    https://www.gadgets4geeks.com.au/WebRoot/Store/Shops/gadgets4geeks/MediaGallery/User_Manuals/xiaomi-mi-band-6-user_manual-english.pdf

    While it says to press "the button", that might mean to lay your finger alongside for capacitance sensing. The manual doesn't walk through how
    to use or configure your smartwatch, so I could not see if there was an
    option to change from 1-finger wake to 2-finger wake. I watched some
    Youtube videos on your smartwatch, but no one showed using 2 fingers to
    wake the watch.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Mon Jan 29 22:08:28 2024
    On 2024-01-29 21:41, VanguardLH wrote:
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    ...

    Ideas? :-)

    I've not owned a smartwatch. I did own a Fitbit, and it required
    concurrent presses on its sides, so 2 fingers were needed on different
    sides of the Fitbit. Once activated, I could swipe or press my finger
    on the screen to move between screens or make changes. It deactivated
    in about a minute from last input. The profile of your Mi Smart Band 6
    looks very similar to the Fitbit.

    Interesting.


    I didn't like the wristband that came with the Fitbit. The buckle was a bulge that pushed farther into my wrist. I had to keep moving it up my
    wrist to eliminate pressure when at the computer, or spin around so just
    the rubber wristband pressed my wrist. Sleeping with it was very uncomfortable. I didn't need it at the gym since their equipment told
    me the same info, and more, than the Fitbit. I got a stretch band. No buckle, and breathed better (nylon strap versus rubber).

    The wristband that came with mine broke soon. I bought a metal
    replacement, similar to the one on my Casio watch that I no longer use.
    Problem is, the part of it that encases the watch is not steel, but brass.

    Wearing it doesn't bother me at all, even when sleeping, after some
    weeks. Same as the watch decades ago.


    I remember a touble-tap option on the Fitbit. 2 quick taps were needed
    to make changes or selections on a screen. However, double-tapping
    didn't wake the Fitbit. I still had to do the 2-finger concurrent press along the opposite sides of the Fitbit to wake it. Double-tapping, if available, might do something different on your smartwatch.

    I couldn't find an online manual for your smartphone at Xioami's web
    site, but did find one here:

    https://www.gadgets4geeks.com.au/WebRoot/Store/Shops/gadgets4geeks/MediaGallery/User_Manuals/xiaomi-mi-band-6-user_manual-english.pdf

    While it says to press "the button", that might mean to lay your finger alongside for capacitance sensing. The manual doesn't walk through how
    to use or configure your smartwatch, so I could not see if there was an option to change from 1-finger wake to 2-finger wake. I watched some
    Youtube videos on your smartwatch, but no one showed using 2 fingers to
    wake the watch.

    A double tap option might work for me, but I don't remember reading
    about it anywhere.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Tue Jan 30 11:40:13 2024
    Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    On 2024-01-29 17:46, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    Hi,



    Ideas? :-)

    I had a Xiaomi Mi Band 2 and know all about the lack of quality. Also needing an account with a Chinese company has become a no-no to me.

    Since then, we (my wife, me and several others in our family) have
    been using Fitbit devices. Ours are 'fitness trackers', not
    'smartwatches' (which Fitbit also have). Fitbit trackers are more
    expensive than Xiaomi Mi Bands, but not as expensive as smartwatches of most brands.

    We currently have the Fitbit Charge range. Mine is a Charge 5. My
    wife's is a Charge 4 (earlier model). There's now also a Charge 6.

    Like all electronic gadgets, these are not perfect, but - at least in our opinion - they're more your money worth than the Xiaomi Mi Bands.

    And, something to look forward to: Fitbit is now part of Google and
    soon you'll need a Google Account for them (now it's still a seperate Fitbit account)! So if you want something which 'Arlen' can whine about,
    go for it! :-)

    Being tied to a Google Account is a good thing for my purpose :-)

    It is "expensive", though. The charge 6 is 160?, compared to the 35 of
    the Mi Smart Band 6.

    Yes, they're much more expensive than the 'sub optimal' :-) Xiaomi Mi
    Bands.

    Here, the Charge 6 is a bit cheaper (EUR 144), the Charge 5 is still available (EUR 129) (I would have a Charge 3 or 2 if they were available
    at the time) and other Fitbits (Inspire 2 and Ace 3) start at EUR 71.
    (Prices at my main webshop. Others may be cheaper.)

    Thanks, I located a report and will have a read.

    You're welcome.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Tue Jan 30 11:51:14 2024
    VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
    [...]

    I've not owned a smartwatch. I did own a Fitbit, and it required
    concurrent presses on its sides, so 2 fingers were needed on different
    sides of the Fitbit. Once activated, I could swipe or press my finger
    on the screen to move between screens or make changes. It deactivated
    in about a minute from last input. The profile of your Mi Smart Band 6
    looks very similar to the Fitbit.

    AFAIK, all the Fitbits always have had the function to activate the
    display by a wrist/arm movement, at least my three Fitbits have.

    This function can be enabled/disabled.

    My Charge 5 no longer has any button. Activate by wrist movement or double-tap.

    I didn't like the wristband that came with the Fitbit. The buckle was a bulge that pushed farther into my wrist. I had to keep moving it up my
    wrist to eliminate pressure when at the computer, or spin around so just
    the rubber wristband pressed my wrist. Sleeping with it was very uncomfortable. I didn't need it at the gym since their equipment told
    me the same info, and more, than the Fitbit. I got a stretch band. No buckle, and breathed better (nylon strap versus rubber).

    Yes, the supplied bands are bad, break easily and (Fitbit)
    replacements are ridiculously high priced.

    But there are many, many wristbands from third-party suppliers at very reasonable prices. We prefer the 'Milanese' metal bands.

    I remember a touble-tap option on the Fitbit. 2 quick taps were needed
    to make changes or selections on a screen. However, double-tapping
    didn't wake the Fitbit. I still had to do the 2-finger concurrent press along the opposite sides of the Fitbit to wake it.

    On Fitbits with physical buttons, you can disable the double-tapping,
    for example for DND (Do Not Disturb) or Sleep mode.

    [...]

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Tue Jan 30 13:13:08 2024
    Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

    VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

    I've not owned a smartwatch. I did own a Fitbit, and it required
    concurrent presses on its sides, so 2 fingers were needed on different
    sides of the Fitbit. Once activated, I could swipe or press my finger
    on the screen to move between screens or make changes. It deactivated
    in about a minute from last input. The profile of your Mi Smart Band 6
    looks very similar to the Fitbit.

    AFAIK, all the Fitbits always have had the function to activate the
    display by a wrist/arm movement, at least my three Fitbits have.

    This function can be enabled/disabled.

    I had the Fitbit Inspire 2. Came free from my HMO. Tried to get used
    to it at first, but more and more it just sat on the shelf even after
    starting the gym 2-3 times per week. If it had a wake option on shake,
    that would've probably been the first one I would've disabled. I can't
    see that is an advantage unless you put it on just before exercising
    (gym, walking, running, biking) where you might to keep-alive the
    display. I wouldn't want to be running on a treadmill while occupying a
    hand trying to pinch the sides of the Fitbit.

    My Charge 5 no longer has any button. Activate by wrist movement or double-tap.

    I do recall a feature where you didn't shake the Fitbit, but you could
    rotate your wrist which had the Fitbit detect it had rotated about 90
    degrees or more.

    The Inspire has a 10-day battery life. Seems it wouldn't be a problem
    with it getting low if you put in on the charger every frew days. In
    fact, the phone app would tell me when the Fitbit's battery was low, so
    I got reminded that way (since I wasn't wearing it often to know if an low-battery alarm/buzzer went off in the Fitbit itself nor have it on
    enough to look at its battery level).

    I didn't like the wristband that came with the Fitbit. The buckle was a
    bulge that pushed farther into my wrist. I had to keep moving it up my
    wrist to eliminate pressure when at the computer, or spin around so just
    the rubber wristband pressed my wrist. Sleeping with it was very
    uncomfortable. I didn't need it at the gym since their equipment told
    me the same info, and more, than the Fitbit. I got a stretch band. No
    buckle, and breathed better (nylon strap versus rubber).

    Yes, the supplied bands are bad, break easily and (Fitbit)
    replacements are ridiculously high priced.

    But there are many, many wristbands from third-party suppliers at
    very reasonable prices. We prefer the 'Milanese' metal bands.

    I didn't like the buckle with the supplied wristband. Besides the bulk
    of the Fitbit when sleeping (I lay prone with hands under pillow, so the
    Fitbit caused discomfort from pressure), the buckle would sit on the
    bottom of my wrist to cause pressure and discomfort when at the desk or computer with my hand against the desk or pad of a mousepad. I got one
    of these:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/194243103433?var=494335855743

    Although the pictured Fitbit (not included) shows buttons, mine didn't
    have physical buttons. You pressed your fingers along the sides, so
    there must've been capacitive switches.

    Because it is stretchy, it's easier to adjust to get just enough
    pressure for the skin sensor to work, but not so tight as to be
    uncomfortable from constant constriction. It also breathed. The rubber wristband gave me a sweaty wrist, and perhaps the solid ones would, too.

    I remember a touble-tap option on the Fitbit. 2 quick taps were needed
    to make changes or selections on a screen. However, double-tapping
    didn't wake the Fitbit. I still had to do the 2-finger concurrent press
    along the opposite sides of the Fitbit to wake it.

    On Fitbits with physical buttons, you can disable the double-tapping,
    for example for DND (Do Not Disturb) or Sleep mode.

    I didn't see the case was easily opened without damage, so no way to
    replace the battery. Considering they're chemical, they will fade and
    die over time, like 5-10 years. I consider them disposable gimmicks.

    The Fitbit Inspire 2 is no longer listed or sold at fitbit.com. They're
    up to the Inspire 3 now. With them having a 2-year typical lifespan,
    and with me hardly using it, I won't bother getting another. I tossed
    mine last week after having it just under 2 years with it mostly sitting
    on a shelf.

    I realize they make the case sealed to resist water and sweat, but for
    their cost they really shouldn't be disposable, and not last for more
    than 2 years. A $100+ fitness tracker (overpriced, in my opinion) is way
    too expensive for a disposable device that lasts only 2 years. My LG
    V20 phone was released back in 2016, LG dropped support in 2019, and LG
    in 2022 left the mobile phone market altogether. But my phone continues
    to work, because I can replace the user-serviceable battery by removing
    the backplate. Nope, not water resistant, but that's not important to
    me. About every 2 years I replace its battery. Keeps ticking, keeps on
    going.

    You can find Youtube videos on replacing the Fitbit battery, but I'd
    destroy the seal (and new glue isn't a good replacement) along with
    finding the battery, and hope I didn't destroy the thing during
    disassembly or reassembly. The 3.7V 50mAh battery from AliExpress is
    only $4 (plus shipping), but it has solder leads. That means I would
    have to unsolder the old battery (solder sucker & wick) and solder in a
    new one. I have a low-wattage pinpoint soldering gun, but I really
    don't want to go through all that to get my old Fitbit to survive
    another 2 years with a imperfect seal.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Tue Jan 30 19:33:14 2024
    VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
    Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
    [...]

    I do recall a feature where you didn't shake the Fitbit, but you could
    rotate your wrist which had the Fitbit detect it had rotated about 90
    degrees or more.

    Yes, that's what I meant. The idea is you move your hand toward your
    face in order to be able to see the 'clock face'. That movement is
    supposed to be detected by the motion detector / software in the Fitbit
    and should turn on the display. It works most of the time, but not all
    of the time. It doesn't/should't interfere with other - for example
    walking, excercise, etc. - arm/wrist/hand movements.

    [...]

    Although the pictured Fitbit (not included) shows buttons, mine didn't
    have physical buttons. You pressed your fingers along the sides, so
    there must've been capacitive switches.

    Yes, that's what I meant. They might not be actual physical buttons,
    but they act as/like buttons, not just (slight) touch/tap areas.

    I didn't see the case was easily opened without damage, so no way to
    replace the battery. Considering they're chemical, they will fade and
    die over time, like 5-10 years. I consider them disposable gimmicks.

    The Fitbit Inspire 2 is no longer listed or sold at fitbit.com. They're
    up to the Inspire 3 now. With them having a 2-year typical lifespan,
    and with me hardly using it, I won't bother getting another. I tossed
    mine last week after having it just under 2 years with it mostly sitting
    on a shelf.

    I realize they make the case sealed to resist water and sweat, but for
    their cost they really shouldn't be disposable, and not last for more
    than 2 years. A $100+ fitness tracker (overpriced, in my opinion) is way
    too expensive for a disposable device that lasts only 2 years.

    Yes, these devices do not last long enough. Ours longer than 2 years
    (EU warranty is two yours, so ...). I could try to dig up how long each
    lasted for our devices, but the end verdict would be "not long".

    We use them every day, 'all' day (except shower, swimming, etc.), so
    we still get value out of them. OTOH, the simple digital watch I bought
    in 2000 is still working and had only one (lithium) battery replacement
    (which I could easily do myself)! :-(

    [...]

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Tue Jan 30 21:50:18 2024
    On 2024-01-30 20:33, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
    Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
    [...]

    I do recall a feature where you didn't shake the Fitbit, but you could
    rotate your wrist which had the Fitbit detect it had rotated about 90
    degrees or more.

    Yes, that's what I meant. The idea is you move your hand toward your
    face in order to be able to see the 'clock face'. That movement is
    supposed to be detected by the motion detector / software in the Fitbit
    and should turn on the display. It works most of the time, but not all
    of the time. It doesn't/should't interfere with other - for example
    walking, excercise, etc. - arm/wrist/hand movements.

    [...]

    Although the pictured Fitbit (not included) shows buttons, mine didn't
    have physical buttons. You pressed your fingers along the sides, so
    there must've been capacitive switches.

    Yes, that's what I meant. They might not be actual physical buttons,
    but they act as/like buttons, not just (slight) touch/tap areas.

    I didn't see the case was easily opened without damage, so no way to
    replace the battery. Considering they're chemical, they will fade and
    die over time, like 5-10 years. I consider them disposable gimmicks.

    The Fitbit Inspire 2 is no longer listed or sold at fitbit.com. They're
    up to the Inspire 3 now. With them having a 2-year typical lifespan,
    and with me hardly using it, I won't bother getting another. I tossed
    mine last week after having it just under 2 years with it mostly sitting
    on a shelf.

    I realize they make the case sealed to resist water and sweat, but for
    their cost they really shouldn't be disposable, and not last for more
    than 2 years. A $100+ fitness tracker (overpriced, in my opinion) is way
    too expensive for a disposable device that lasts only 2 years.

    Yes, these devices do not last long enough. Ours longer than 2 years
    (EU warranty is two yours, so ...). I could try to dig up how long each lasted for our devices, but the end verdict would be "not long".

    I would expect the battery to be replaceable at a watch repair shop,
    same as we did with submersible watches. They replaced the seal.

    Soonish the EU is going to pass a regulation mandating batteries to be replaceable. I might accept a watch that cost less than 50€ to last two
    or three years and be disposable, but not one in the 150€ range.

    We use them every day, 'all' day (except shower, swimming, etc.), so
    we still get value out of them. OTOH, the simple digital watch I bought
    in 2000 is still working and had only one (lithium) battery replacement (which I could easily do myself)! :-(

    The idea is that the thing be as comfortable as a watch was in the past
    (and some were large). They are supposed to track all daily activity and
    some health parameters (like how many footsteps), but also have the
    functions of a normal watch, like telling the hour and day (even in
    sunlight), and at least some functionality related to the smartphone,
    like displaying notifications for an instant so you don't have to pick
    the phone to see if the notification is interesting or not. Me, I am not
    sure I want to do payments with it.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Wed Jan 31 18:29:01 2024
    Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    On 2024-01-30 20:33, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
    [...]
    I realize they make the case sealed to resist water and sweat, but for
    their cost they really shouldn't be disposable, and not last for more
    than 2 years. A $100+ fitness tracker (overpriced, in my opinion) is way >> too expensive for a disposable device that lasts only 2 years.

    Yes, these devices do not last long enough. Ours longer than 2 years
    (EU warranty is two yours, so ...). I could try to dig up how long each lasted for our devices, but the end verdict would be "not long".

    I would expect the battery to be replaceable at a watch repair shop,
    same as we did with submersible watches. They replaced the seal.

    Good point. I haven't looked at that aspect. Not with a general watch
    repair shop, not with Fitbit itself and not with the webshop from which
    we bought our Fitbits.

    Perhaps others in the audience have some experience with this,
    preferably with Fitbit devices, but maybe with other brands.

    Soonish the EU is going to pass a regulation mandating batteries to be replaceable. I might accept a watch that cost less than 50? to last two
    or three years and be disposable, but not one in the 150? range.

    I made some 'lifetime' stats on our Fitbits:

    - Fitbit Alta HR: Lasted nearly 4 years. Battery down to 3 days instead
    of ~7days. Heart Rate and Sleep stopped working.

    - Fitbit Charge 4: Lasted 2 years and 3 months, then the 'latch' for the
    wristband broke off on the tracker side, so physically defective
    beyond repair. Replaced by Fitbit Charge 5 at 35% discount.

    - Fitbit Charge 4 (my wife's): Still OK after nearly 3 years, but
    battery is down to 4 days instead of 6-7 days.

    We use them every day, 'all' day (except shower, swimming, etc.), so
    we still get value out of them. OTOH, the simple digital watch I bought
    in 2000 is still working and had only one (lithium) battery replacement (which I could easily do myself)! :-(

    The idea is that the thing be as comfortable as a watch was in the past
    (and some were large). They are supposed to track all daily activity and
    some health parameters (like how many footsteps), but also have the
    functions of a normal watch, like telling the hour and day (even in sunlight), and at least some functionality related to the smartphone,
    like displaying notifications for an instant so you don't have to pick
    the phone to see if the notification is interesting or not. Me, I am not
    sure I want to do payments with it.

    Yes, the Fitbit Charge series can do everything you mention.

    I have not played much with notifications, not really interested. For
    SMS messages it notifies and gives the content of the message and you
    can apparently send some canned response(s). WhatsApp does not notify,
    but perhaps that's just a misconfiguration on my phone or/and Fitbit.

    I don't do payments with the Fitbit. Don't 'even' do payments with the
    phone. Card and computer are sufficient sofar.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Wed Jan 31 13:21:18 2024
    Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

    Perhaps others in the audience have some experience with this,
    preferably with Fitbit devices, but maybe with other brands.

    I mentioned Youtube videos showing how to disassemble a Fitbit to
    replace the battery. Here's an example of one for your Charge 5:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgwhx-k9qKc

    The battery for my Inspire 2 has soldered wires making the exchange more difficult. Changing is possible, but disassembly damages the seal. I
    haven't found where to buy a replacement seal, so the old seal gets
    reused, or you find a new one. The assumption is you don't damage the
    seal too much, but it still won't be as water resistant afterward. This
    is the same method as shown for smartphones where the battery is not user-serviceable: disassemble the case, replace battery, reassemble, but
    seal integrity is not as good as before.

    I'm hoping by the time I just cannot stand my old smartphone any longer
    to get a new one that the EU has passed their proposed law, as mentioned
    by Carlos, which mandates all devices have user-serviceable batteries.
    I'll wait a year until after that to give the phone makers time to
    redesign their smartphones. I'm hoping the smartphone makers don't
    retaliate by requiring one-time-use specialty tools that only they sell,
    are backlogged on stock, and take 6+ months to deliver. They could
    comply to the law, but that doesn't mean they need to make easy the
    battery change, or provide quick delivery of batteries.

    As for replacing batteries in water-resistant wrist watches, those have
    an o-ring for the seal. Not only do they survive popping off the back
    plate (which has an indent to facilitate positioning a flat-head jeweler screwdriver underneath to pry), but they can be replaced (if you can
    find them for sale). There is either the pop off design for water
    resistance, or the screw-on style for greater depth resistance (but
    those often have notches you need a spanner tool to engage). Those
    designs have been around for decades. The phone makers didn't emulate
    that ancient design, because they want their devices to be disposable
    forcing you to buy another one. They planned obsolescence due to
    battery failure. They'll make less revenue if buyers can replace
    batteries to keep their devices for 10-20 years.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 5 10:56:16 2024
    Carlos E.R., 2024-01-29 16:14:

    [...]
    So I am seeking for another one that is better. Preferably from actual personal experience, not google search. But I don't want an expensive or luxury thing.

    I am very happy with my Samsung Gear S3 which I got in 2017. It still
    works very well even after about 7 years of use and the battery still
    lasts 3-4 days with one chanrg. Hopefully the app for it will continue
    to work on my Pixel 6a for a couple of years. Despite Samsung already
    told, that this old smartwatch will not be supported with phones which
    came out after 2024 the app still works with Android 14.

    But even if that thing may stop working once, I'll likely to get a
    Samsung smartwatch again as a replacement. Yes, these things are more expensive, but considered, that one may be able to use it for more than
    7 years it's not too bad.

    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Fri Mar 15 16:49:27 2024
    On 2024-01-29 16:14, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    Hi,

    I bought, about two years ago, a cheap smartwatch. A Mi Smart Band 6,
    from Xiaomi. I'm not really happy.

    ...

    So I am seeking for another one that is better. Preferably from actual personal experience, not google search. But I don't want an expensive or luxury thing.

    Ideas? :-)

    I finally bought a Fitbit Google Charge 6. I'm moderately happy.

    The thing comes with a 6 month trial subscription to the premium
    service, which after the trial is about 80€/yr or 9€/month. Too much.
    Some functions depend on it, so I have not activated it yet.

    The displays activates with a double tap, and so far I haven't noticed accidental tapping as I had with my previous incumbent. There is a
    button on the side, which acts as "home" button.

    I have not tried everything. I already detected bugs: for instance, if
    I'm tracking a walk and enter a building for some time, the GPS
    deactivates and doesn't reactivate automatically on exit, and I haven't
    found a manual way to reactivate, except stop the exercise tracking and
    start it again (another exercise session).

    I have not tried the Wallet.

    The timer function I find useful.

    I am using two exercise functions: hiking and elliptic bicycle. Hiking
    works nicely, except that it thinks I'm resting most of the time, it
    wants a higher heart rate. I'm not sure if this can be corrected. No, I
    am not going to walk faster for its shake.

    The elliptic doesn't work all. The problem is that apparently it expects
    to connect via Bluetooth to the machine, and mine is not that kind. It
    doesn't detect the rhythmical movement of my arm on the machine, so it
    thinks I am not exercising. It only reads my pulse and records it (the
    previous watch did the same thing).

    I got that elliptic bike for 80€ at a sale (original price was 260€). 40
    Kg and 3h 30m of assembly (terrible instructions). The readout counts
    the calories at the same rate no matter how hard I adjust the brake.

    This one (IREB1004M), rebranded in Spain (Eroski):

    <http://en.tierentiyu.com/?c=index&a=cate&classid=140>

    <https://market.yandex.ru/product--ellipticheskii-trenazher-ironman-ireb1004m/1780220185>


    I'm not going to invest in a "better" bike with BT. Maybe finding a
    compatible "computer" kit for it. It is just a sensor on the flywheel.
    Someone knows about such a thing?


    And the other question, someone knows a way to tell the watch to read
    the arm movements and count them? A manual elliptic, not an automatic
    elliptic.


    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)