• Obnoxious ad appears when opening phone

    From Tim Slattery@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 16 11:12:35 2024
    My wife is having a problem on her Android phone that does not appear
    on mine at all.

    Start with a dark screen. She pushes the power button which brings up
    the lock screen. She types in her password and the main screen
    appears, but ...

    So does an ad, apparently (I can't prove this) from the Play Store.
    That's irritating enough, but frequently it's for Tik Tok and is very
    LOUD and obnoxious. We would like to find out how to stop that from
    happening, We've looked at and tried many things, but to no avail.

    As I said, these ads do not appear on my phone at all. We had to
    replace hers a few weeks ago, and the problem appeared on the new
    phone (which was the same model as the old one). It never happened on
    the old phone.

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    Tim Slattery
    timslattery <at> utexas <dot> edu

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Tim Slattery on Tue Jan 16 17:07:40 2024
    Tim Slattery wrote:

    She pushes the power button which brings up
    the lock screen. She types in her password and the main screen
    appears, but ...

    So does an ad,

    What model phone?

    if you search for "samsung lock screen adverts" they give a list of
    dodgy apps that do that ...

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Tim Slattery on Tue Jan 16 11:45:40 2024
    Tim Slattery <TimSlattery@utexas.edu> wrote:

    My wife is having a problem on her Android phone that does not appear
    on mine at all.

    Start with a dark screen. She pushes the power button which brings up
    the lock screen. She types in her password and the main screen
    appears, but ...

    So does an ad, apparently (I can't prove this) from the Play Store.
    That's irritating enough, but frequently it's for Tik Tok and is very
    LOUD and obnoxious. We would like to find out how to stop that from happening, We've looked at and tried many things, but to no avail.

    As I said, these ads do not appear on my phone at all. We had to
    replace hers a few weeks ago, and the problem appeared on the new
    phone (which was the same model as the old one). It never happened on
    the old phone.

    You wife has a different set of apps on her phone than do you. One of
    them is opening a full screen window with an add. Something she
    installed is ad-ware. The app author will deny responsibility since
    they're using Google's ad platform, but THEY are the one opening the
    pipe to these fullscreen ads with unknown content and which could be
    malicious. You'll have to see what she installed on her phone.

    Android does not operate like Windows or Linux. On Android, when you
    "close" an app, it remains running in the background. This is to
    pretend the phone is faster at reloading an app, because it was never
    unloaded. An app can be designated as "sticky". If the OS sees a
    sticky app is unloaded, it will reload it. Some apps run as services.
    Just because you closed an app's window does not mean it got unloaded.


    <my rant on adware apps>

    Adware apps are too often malware apps. The app authors do not regulate
    the content of the ads they allow displayed within their apps.

    - They don't force ads to appear only when their app has focus (is
    visible). Their app could still be loaded in the background (Android
    doesn't unload apps when users exit them) and puke out ads that
    interfere with using the phone or other apps. It is not evident which backgrounded app puked an ad onto the screen.

    - They don't require the ads to be non-malicious. Some ads present
    icons which look very much like the Recent, Home, and Back buttons of
    the phone. They want the user to confuse the ads icons with the phone's buttons.

    - The ad may have an "X" or "Close" button, but often a script is
    assigned to that element. Instead of closing the window, a script is
    first executed. Just because an ad has an "X" or "Close" doesn't mean
    that is what those objects will do when activated. Use the phone's Back
    button instead.

    - The app author will not enforce restriction on ads that they can be
    presented only within the confines of that app's ad banner. Instead the
    ads could be full screen or so large as to obviate any use of the app or
    even of the phone until the ad is removed. The fullscreen ads interfere
    with using the app, other apps, or of using the phone.

    Adware app authors don't limit how ads are presented (within the app's
    window or outside of it), where they can be presented (like only within
    the confines of an ad banner), force the ads to contain more than just
    copies of the phone's own navigation buttons, or what the "X", "Close",
    or any other object in the ad can do. As such, adware apps have become malware. The ads aren't not just nuisances. They can interfere with
    using the app, using the phone, or attempt to perform unwanted/malicious behaviors (the ads are not just text and images, but contain scripts).

    Adware is not freeware. The cost is the nuisance and the danger of the
    ads. Some users are willing to endure the nuisances to get the app for
    free. Okay, but what users never agreed to happen is interference with
    using the app or, worse, with their phone and have ads mislead the users
    as to what actions the tap-able elements in the ad will do. The free
    adware apps have become malware. App authors will absolve themselves of
    any responsibility regarding the ads that THEY deliver through THEIR
    app. They exempt themselves for the actions their apps perform because,
    gee, it was someone else's content -- but it was delivered through THEIR
    app! They didn't write the 3rd-party ad platform code they incorporated
    into their app, but it was their app that piped the sometimes malicious
    or interferring ads onto your phone.

    Does anyone believe that a terrorist that carried a briefcase to leave
    inside a cafe that later exploded is not responsible for the deaths and destruction they cause because, gee, they just carried the briefcase
    while knowing of the harmful content but want to absolve themself of any responsibility because they just delivered the bomb and didn't make it?

    Shy away from free apps. If you must have an adware app, check that
    paying for it gives MORE than just riddance of ads. More features
    should be provided when you pay.

    </my rant>

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  • From Larry Wolff@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Tue Jan 16 14:36:00 2024
    On 1/16/2024 12:45 PM, VanguardLH wrote:

    Adware is not freeware. The cost is the nuisance and the danger of the
    ads. Some users are willing to endure the nuisances to get the app for
    free.

    I have hundreds of free apps on my phone and I never seem to see any ads.
    Yet I frequently hear people use free apps with ads, or they pay for apps.

    I can't think of a single app that I need or want to use (that I find
    useful for me) that has advertisements or a cost to purchase. Not even one.

    I'm not saying useful apps with a cost or ads don't exist, nor am I saying
    that people don't install the most advertised apps (which often have ads or they cost money to use) so don't get me wrong here. Other people do that.

    I'm saying that for every useful thing I want to do on my phone, I spend
    the energy to find a free (usually open source) app that does what I want.

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  • From Tim Slattery@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Jan 17 11:15:09 2024
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Tim Slattery wrote:

    She pushes the power button which brings up
    the lock screen. She types in her password and the main screen
    appears, but ...

    So does an ad,

    What model phone?

    Motorola Moto G Power

    --
    Tim Slattery
    timslattery <at> utexas <dot> edu

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  • From kelown@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 19 21:25:43 2024
    So does an ad, apparently (I can't prove this) from the Play Store.
    That's irritating enough, but frequently it's for Tik Tok and is very
    LOUD and obnoxious. We would like to find out how to stop that from happening, We've looked at and tried many things, but to no avail.

    Would be useful to know what you've already tried.

    Android 9.0+ has a Private DNS feature which allows you to add an
    ad-blocker URL to prevent system-wide ad popups and app ads. A popular ad-blocking URL is dns.adguard-dns.com

    Popup Ad Detector & Blocker https://play.google.com/store/search?q=popup+ad+detector&c=apps

    * This app detects system-wide popup ads
    * Works via an on-screen floating icon
    * When a popup occurs, click the floating icon to find the app that
    caused the popup -> uninstall that popup app
    * Popup Ad Detector & Blocker can be uninstalled after the popup ad is gone

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to kelown on Sat Jan 20 08:27:40 2024
    kelown <kelown@privacy.invalid> wrote:

    Popup Ad Detector & Blocker https://play.google.com/store/search?q=popup+ad+detector&c=apps

    "Contains adsIn-app purchases"

    The app is adware, but how obnoxious are its ads? Do they consume space
    on the app's own screen? Or are they hidden in menus?

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