Is location data somehow different from text or voice data?
Pixel 2, Keepgo 3GB data SIM which uses google voice for phone calls. No >other way to make 'phone' calls.
It uses T-Mobile as a data carrier, with the known limitations. As long
as I can connect to a T-Mobile tower I can make calls and send google
chat (wifi) messages. BUT my location doesn't update on the google
maps of the people I share my location with unless I'm logged into
another wifi source. Today it was my home network or the one at my >destination.
T-Mobile clearly has connection along the freeways I was using. I have
only tried to make a few phone calls outside my home since I've had the
SIM; the one up in the mountains was of VERY poor quality, but was
equally rotten/impossible when I was using the actual T-Mobile SIM.
When I was out of the mountains and near a freeway the call worked fine,
as did the few others I made.
WTF? Is location data somehow different from text or voice data? This
makes no sense to me.
On 1/11/24 8:22 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
Pixel 2, Keepgo 3GB data SIM which uses google voice for phone calls. No
other way to make 'phone' calls.
It uses T-Mobile as a data carrier, with the known limitations. As long
as I can connect to a T-Mobile tower I can make calls and send google
chat (wifi) messages. BUT my location doesn't update on the google
maps of the people I share my location with unless I'm logged into
another wifi source. Today it was my home network or the one at my
destination.
Well, at least I get points for an accurate description of the problem :-(
Ever since I've had a phone (and no data plan) google maps has had WIFI
ONLY above the map. I had assumed that this was an informational
message rather that the SETTING THAT IT ACTUALLY IS. Turned it off and
lo and behold, there I am on the map. (Logged in to a different account
to test).
Never mind...
On 1/11/24 8:22 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
Pixel 2, Keepgo 3GB data SIM which uses google voice for phone calls. No other way to make 'phone' calls.
It uses T-Mobile as a data carrier, with the known limitations. As long
as I can connect to a T-Mobile tower I can make calls and send google
chat (wifi) messages. BUT my location doesn't update on the google
maps of the people I share my location with unless I'm logged into
another wifi source. Today it was my home network or the one at my destination.
Well, at least I get points for an accurate description of the problem :-(
Ever since I've had a phone (and no data plan) google maps has had WIFI
ONLY above the map. I had assumed that this was an informational
message rather that the SETTING THAT IT ACTUALLY IS. Turned it off and
lo and behold, there I am on the map. (Logged in to a different account
to test).
Never mind...
On 2024-01-13 14:35, Frank Slootweg wrote:
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/11/24 8:22 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
Pixel 2, Keepgo 3GB data SIM which uses google voice for phone calls. No >>> other way to make 'phone' calls.
It uses T-Mobile as a data carrier, with the known limitations. As long >>> as I can connect to a T-Mobile tower I can make calls and send google
chat (wifi) messages. BUT my location doesn't update on the google
maps of the people I share my location with unless I'm logged into
another wifi source. Today it was my home network or the one at my
destination.
Well, at least I get points for an accurate description of the problem :-( >>
Ever since I've had a phone (and no data plan) google maps has had WIFI
ONLY above the map. I had assumed that this was an informational
message rather that the SETTING THAT IT ACTUALLY IS. Turned it off and
lo and behold, there I am on the map. (Logged in to a different account >> to test).
Never mind...
I just tried switching Maps' 'Wi-Fi only' setting on and off. When you switch it on, it shortly gives a popup:
"Wi-Fi ony turned on. When there's no Wi-Fi network,
only your offline maps will work."
If you had off-line maps of your area(s), which you probably had, that indeed explains why Maps continued to show your position to *you*, but
not update your position as it is shared with *others*.
Hum.
One thing is having the map displaying the location, and another is the
phone knowing the exact location. The later is known as long as you have phone service, or GPS, and the phone can share it with others if asked
to. No need to have the map running.
Unless you are talking of Google Maps location sharing feature.
BUT my location doesn't update on the google
maps of the people I share my location with unless I'm logged into
another wifi source.
Kudos for finding the cause! (OTOH, "WI-FI ONLY" (in caps) at the top
of the screen is quite a clue-by-four! :-))
Sometimes it is not clear if a text (or graphic) is just text or also is clickable.
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/11/24 8:22 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
Pixel 2, Keepgo 3GB data SIM which uses google voice for phone calls. No >>> other way to make 'phone' calls.
It uses T-Mobile as a data carrier, with the known limitations. As long >>> as I can connect to a T-Mobile tower I can make calls and send google
chat (wifi) messages. BUT my location doesn't update on the google
maps of the people I share my location with unless I'm logged into
another wifi source. Today it was my home network or the one at my
destination.
Well, at least I get points for an accurate description of the problem :-( >>
Ever since I've had a phone (and no data plan) google maps has had WIFI
ONLY above the map. I had assumed that this was an informational
message rather that the SETTING THAT IT ACTUALLY IS. Turned it off and
lo and behold, there I am on the map. (Logged in to a different account
to test).
Never mind...
I just tried switching Maps' 'Wi-Fi only' setting on and off. When you switch it on, it shortly gives a popup:
"Wi-Fi ony turned on. When there's no Wi-Fi network,
only your offline maps will work."
If you had off-line maps of your area(s), which you probably had, that indeed explains why Maps continued to show your position to *you*, but
not update your position as it is shared with *others*.
Kudos for finding the cause! (OTOH, "WI-FI ONLY" (in caps) at the top
of the screen is quite a clue-by-four! :-))
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-01-13 14:35, Frank Slootweg wrote:
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
Kudos for finding the cause! (OTOH, "WI-FI ONLY" (in caps) at the top >>> of the screen is quite a clue-by-four! :-))
Sometimes it is not clear if a text (or graphic) is just text or also is
clickable.
This one is tap-able, so it's a good implementation. But even if it
wasn't tap-able, the *text* should be a clue that probably mobile data
isn't going to be used to share your changing/changed position with
others (other devices).
But we all overlook the obvious at times, so no offense intended.
On 1/13/24 6:20 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2024-01-13 14:35, Frank Slootweg wrote:
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/11/24 8:22 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
Sometimes it is not clear if a text (or graphic) is just text or also is
clickable.
Absolutely. It was not at all obvious that I could click on that -- I
just turned on my phone to try it. Double Duh.
Now if somebody could tell me how to get rid of the useless crap that
always occupies the bottom third of the screen I'd be REALLY happy. I've NEVER wanted to know about nearby hotels...
{Chuckle}
My TomTom insists on telling me where there is a charging spot for my
car. And when downloading updates (which can be daily) it wants to
download the modifications on the list of charging points for Europe.
And that's 150 Mb over a slow link.
Well... that would be helpful for some, but my car still drinks gasoline.
On 1/13/24 6:59 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-01-13 14:35, Frank Slootweg wrote:
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/11/24 8:22 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
Pixel 2, Keepgo 3GB data SIM which uses google voice for phone calls. No
other way to make 'phone' calls.
It uses T-Mobile as a data carrier, with the known limitations. As long
as I can connect to a T-Mobile tower I can make calls and send google >> >>> chat (wifi) messages. BUT my location doesn't update on the google >> >>> maps of the people I share my location with unless I'm logged into
another wifi source. Today it was my home network or the one at my
destination.
Well, at least I get points for an accurate description of the problem :-(
Ever since I've had a phone (and no data plan) google maps has had WIFI >> >> ONLY above the map. I had assumed that this was an informational
message rather that the SETTING THAT IT ACTUALLY IS. Turned it off and >> >> lo and behold, there I am on the map. (Logged in to a different account
to test).
Never mind...
I just tried switching Maps' 'Wi-Fi only' setting on and off. When you
switch it on, it shortly gives a popup:
"Wi-Fi ony turned on. When there's no Wi-Fi network,
only your offline maps will work."
If you had off-line maps of your area(s), which you probably had, that
indeed explains why Maps continued to show your position to *you*, but >> > not update your position as it is shared with *others*.
Hum.
One thing is having the map displaying the location, and another is the
phone knowing the exact location. The later is known as long as you have >> phone service, or GPS, and the phone can share it with others if asked
to. No need to have the map running.
Unless you are talking of Google Maps location sharing feature.
Yes, that's what I understand Bev is talking about:
[Rewind/repeat:]
BUT my location doesn't update on the google
maps of the people I share my location with unless I'm logged into
another wifi source.
Note "google maps" and "share my location".
Kudos for finding the cause! (OTOH, "WI-FI ONLY" (in caps) at the top >> > of the screen is quite a clue-by-four! :-))
Sometimes it is not clear if a text (or graphic) is just text or also is >> clickable.
This one is tap-able, so it's a good implementation. But even if it wasn't tap-able, the *text* should be a clue that probably mobile data isn't going to be used to share your changing/changed position with
others (other devices).
Not if it isn't obvious that it's tappable, and it clearly wasn't. Even
with a desktop browser it's not always obvious that something is a link,
but ambiguity is even worse on a phone.
I just tried switching Maps' 'Wi-Fi only' setting on and off. When you
switch it on, it shortly gives a popup:
But we all overlook the obvious at times, so no offense intended.
If you're aiming to offend ME you gotta try a lot harder!
On 1/14/24 7:09 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
So there is a *setting* (in Settings) 'Wi-Fi only' (*mixed* case),
which is a on/off *switch* AND there's a *text* 'WI-FI ONLY' (*upper* case), which is also a *tappable* off-switch.
BUT since I had had no data plan for 10 years I assumed that the maps
message at the top was simply informative. Nothing indicated that it
was a switch. Actually, it's only an OFF switch. If you want to turn wifi-only back on you have to go to the maps settings page.
Intuition will only get you so far when you're dependent on the ideas of total strangers. That's why I hate hierarchical menus -- you have to
guess where a total stranger might have chosen to put something and how
it's displayed.
But we all overlook the obvious at times, so no offense intended.
If you're aiming to offend ME you gotta try a lot harder!
That's why I'm trying again. With all my asterisks for emphasis and
some uppercase thrown in, I hope a do a better job this time!
Sorry, no cigar yet.
On 1/14/24 11:51 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/14/24 7:09 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
So there is a *setting* (in Settings) 'Wi-Fi only' (*mixed* case),
which is a on/off *switch* AND there's a *text* 'WI-FI ONLY' (*upper*
case), which is also a *tappable* off-switch.
BUT since I had had no data plan for 10 years I assumed that the maps
message at the top was simply informative. Nothing indicated that it
was a switch. Actually, it's only an OFF switch. If you want to turn
wifi-only back on you have to go to the maps settings page.
Intuition will only get you so far when you're dependent on the ideas of >> total strangers. That's why I hate hierarchical menus -- you have to
guess where a total stranger might have chosen to put something and how
it's displayed.
Whinge, whinge! :-)
You speak Brit rather than Yank. Good to know.
But we all overlook the obvious at times, so no offense intended. >> >>If you're aiming to offend ME you gotta try a lot harder!
That's why I'm trying again. With all my asterisks for emphasis and >> > some uppercase thrown in, I hope a do a better job this time!
Sorry, no cigar yet.
Next time I'll just be my bastard Dutchie self! If that doesn't get
you in tears, I don't know what will!
Words won't hurt, but I suspect that a good stomping with those wooden
shoes might be bothersome...
Words won't hurt, but I suspect that a good stomping with those wooden
shoes might be bothersome...
Hadn't yet thought of that. Thanks for the tip, you bludger.
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