• Which network is safer

    From Jan K.@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 10 03:50:16 2024
    Which network is safer in terms of privacy?
    The Wi-Fi or the Cellular Data network?

    I don't need both on all the time.
    Just one.

    Which is safer in terms of privacy?

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 10 08:40:45 2024
    Am 10.01.24 um 08:38 schrieb Jörg Lorenz:
    Am 10.01.24 um 03:50 schrieb Jan K.:
    Which network is safer in terms of privacy?
    The Wi-Fi or the Cellular Data network?

    I don't need both on all the time.
    Just one.

    Which is safer in terms of privacy?

    It depends.

    Why do you bother?

    User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1

    Given these parameters it is irrelevant anyway.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 10 08:38:03 2024
    Am 10.01.24 um 03:50 schrieb Jan K.:
    Which network is safer in terms of privacy?
    The Wi-Fi or the Cellular Data network?

    I don't need both on all the time.
    Just one.

    Which is safer in terms of privacy?

    It depends.

    --
    "Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

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  • From Wolf Greenblatt@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 10 04:55:01 2024
    On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:40:45 +0100, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

    Which is safer in terms of privacy?

    It depends.

    Why do you bother?

    User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1

    Given these parameters it is irrelevant anyway.

    I don't know the answer but that non answer shows lack of understanding.

    I'm pretty sure the question was not about Usenet, so the user agent used
    is meaningless in terms of what the question is asking about networking.

    Personally I think it's always safer to use a VPN on your own network
    versus using a VPN on the cellular carrier's network because you know
    what's logged when you use your own network (eg if you torrent a lot).

    You have one fewer MITM to worry about when you use your own network.
    But I'm not sure, as that's just a guess based only on your control.

    The carrier's network is further out of your control, but it's also more
    likely not to have a static IP address whereas your home network is likely
    to have a static IP address (or at least a lease that lasts a while).

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 10 11:24:53 2024
    Am 10.01.24 um 10:55 schrieb Wolf Greenblatt:
    On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:40:45 +0100, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

    Which is safer in terms of privacy?

    It depends.

    Why do you bother?

    User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
    Thunderbird/45.7.1

    Given these parameters it is irrelevant anyway.

    I don't know the answer but that non answer shows lack of understanding.

    Your answer shows lack of understanding of the question in a broader
    context. It is impossible to create security if OS and software are like
    a Swiss Cheese.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 10 11:34:10 2024
    Am 10.01.24 um 10:55 schrieb Wolf Greenblatt:
    Personally I think it's always safer to use a VPN on your own network
    versus using a VPN on the cellular carrier's network because you know
    what's logged when you use your own network (eg if you torrent a lot).

    Nobody talked about VPNs. If the OP uses them it hardly matters whether
    he uses the public radio network, cable or fiber. They all use public
    networks and it does not matter how the endpoint is connected to them.

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  • From Wolf Greenblatt@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 10 06:34:02 2024
    On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:24:53 +0100, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

    Your answer shows lack of understanding of the question

    I had to plonk this moron whose brain is that of a jug head.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to Wolf Greenblatt on Wed Jan 10 17:48:06 2024
    On 10.01.24 12:34, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:24:53 +0100, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

    Your answer shows lack of understanding of the question

    I had to plonk this moron whose brain is that of a jug head.

    You did in fact not understand anything.

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    "Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 10 17:37:34 2024
    Jan K., 2024-01-10 03:50:

    Which network is safer in terms of privacy?
    The Wi-Fi or the Cellular Data network?

    Both are the same - if you are on a public network, it's not as safe as
    a private network you control on your own.

    So WiFi is also unsafe if it is not *your* WiFi since everybody in the
    same WiFi network can see your data packets too.

    Therefore if you need privacy, you should always use encrypted
    connections (HTTPS, VPN to your own network etc.).

    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to Wolf Greenblatt on Wed Jan 10 10:30:53 2024
    On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 06:34:02 -0500, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:24:53 +0100, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

    Your answer shows lack of understanding of the question

    I had to plonk this moron whose brain is that of a jug head.


    Better late than never! :-)

    --
    Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
    Shikata ga nai...

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Jan K. on Thu Jan 11 21:05:44 2024
    Jan K. <janicekoziol@nie.ma.spamu.prosze.com> wrote:
    Which network is safer in terms of privacy?
    The Wi-Fi or the Cellular Data network?

    On cellular the network operator can triangulate your position.
    On wifi the network operator knows you are within range of their access point(s).

    Then each carrier has the ability to profile your traffic unless you use a
    VPN (your traffic is likely to be encrypted so they can't see
    inside it, but they can see which servers you talk to)

    On cellular you typically use one network the whole time (so one warrant to access your location information), on wifi you likely move between multiple locations and so networks (multiple warrants, and they have to find out
    where you went first).

    So the first two are equal, but wifi is more private in the sense of making harder it work for law enforcement / the secret police / etc, if that
    concerns you, because they need more warrants / to torture more shopkeepers.
    On wifi it's possible the coffee shop doesn't keep logs of who did what,
    but they may have security cameras that place you inside (and maybe see your screen).

    If your concern is more about tracking for ads, the wifi may leak more information about your location to websites (eg connecting from branch1234.starbucks.com if they know where that is) whereas typically
    cellular won't expose any location-based information to the websites you access.

    Theo

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 12 11:34:21 2024
    Am 10.01.24 um 12:34 schrieb Wolf Greenblatt:
    On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:24:53 +0100, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

    Your answer shows lack of understanding of the question

    I had to plonk this moron whose brain is that of a jug head.

    You are too stupid and brain dead to understand that the question of
    the OP in this very general form cannot be answered the way he expects.
    It is that simple.

    And a lot of things written in this thread are simply stupid and
    completely inadequate.

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    "Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

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  • From s|b@21:1/5 to Wolf Greenblatt on Mon Jan 15 15:34:06 2024
    On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 04:55:01 -0500, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:

    Personally I think it's always safer to use a VPN on your own network
    versus using a VPN on the cellular carrier's network because you know
    what's logged when you use your own network (eg if you torrent a lot).

    I have a Rasperry Pi with Pi-Hole and PiVPN installed at home, so
    whenever I connect to a "strange" (open) network with my smartphone I
    activate WireGuard.

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    s|b

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  • From s|b@21:1/5 to Jan K. on Mon Jan 15 15:35:13 2024
    On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 03:50:16 +0100, Jan K. wrote:

    Which network is safer in terms of privacy?
    The Wi-Fi or the Cellular Data network?

    I don't need both on all the time.
    Just one.

    Which is safer in terms of privacy?

    A VPN.

    --
    s|b

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  • From Kees Nuyt@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 16 14:49:49 2024
    On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 15:34:06 +0100, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 04:55:01 -0500, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:

    I have a Rasperry Pi with Pi-Hole and PiVPN installed at home, so
    whenever I connect to a "strange" (open) network with my smartphone I activate WireGuard.

    Same here, it's an excellent solution.
    --
    Kees Nuyt

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