• Animated emojis in Messages app

    From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 21 12:56:12 2023
    On my old phone, emojis all (or at least all the ones I used)
    appeared as static pictures. However, on my new phone (Samsung A54,
    Android 13), in Google Messaging with Samsung Keyboard, all of them
    seem to be animated. The smiley face blinks its eyes or rolls around,
    the thumbs-up has the thumb bending down against the fingers and then
    up again, and so forth.

    I think this is not intrinsic to the emoji characters themselves,
    because after I sent a text containing the thumb to my brother, I
    asked if he saw it as animated or static and he replied "static".

    I've looked in Samsung Keyboard settings and Google Messages
    settings, but can't find any way to turn off these local animations.
    Anyone have a suggestion?

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Stan Brown on Thu Dec 21 22:17:46 2023
    On 2023-12-21 21:56, Stan Brown wrote:

    On my old phone, emojis all (or at least all the ones I used)
    appeared as static pictures. However, on my new phone (Samsung A54,
    Android 13), in Google Messaging with Samsung Keyboard, all of them
    seem to be animated. The smiley face blinks its eyes or rolls around,
    the thumbs-up has the thumb bending down against the fingers and then
    up again, and so forth.

    I think this is not intrinsic to the emoji characters themselves,
    because after I sent a text containing the thumb to my brother, I
    asked if he saw it as animated or static and he replied "static".

    Ok, so it is a feature of that phone that displays normal emoji in a not
    normal mode, ie, moving.

    It is of course up to the local machine (phone, computer, whatever) to
    display any character as it sees fit. But that is not what it is
    transmitted, it just sends "character number xyz".


    I've looked in Samsung Keyboard settings and Google Messages
    settings, but can't find any way to turn off these local animations.
    Anyone have a suggestion?

    No, sorry, first time I hear of them.

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Stan Brown on Thu Dec 21 17:01:10 2023
    Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

    On my old phone, emojis all (or at least all the ones I used)
    appeared as static pictures. However, on my new phone (Samsung A54,
    Android 13), in Google Messaging with Samsung Keyboard, all of them
    seem to be animated. The smiley face blinks its eyes or rolls around,
    the thumbs-up has the thumb bending down against the fingers and then
    up again, and so forth.

    I think this is not intrinsic to the emoji characters themselves,
    because after I sent a text containing the thumb to my brother, I
    asked if he saw it as animated or static and he replied "static".

    I've looked in Samsung Keyboard settings and Google Messages
    settings, but can't find any way to turn off these local animations.
    Anyone have a suggestion?

    Up to the client on how it renders an emoji.

    There are animated emojis (GIFs). The client decides whether to show
    the frames in sequence in the GIF, or if it just show the first frame.

    Back in Jul 2023, Google updates their Messages app to change emoji-only messages into "expressive and delightful" animations.

    https://9to5google.com/2023/07/10/google-messages-animated-emoji-responses/

    All up to the client-side app how to handle any characters in a message.
    Your e-mail client probably makes clickable URL strings. They are still
    just all text, but the client makes the string clickable if it looks
    similar to a URL string.

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Fri Dec 22 09:50:50 2023
    On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 17:01:10 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
    Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
    I've looked in Samsung Keyboard settings and Google Messages
    settings, but can't find any way to turn off these local animations.
    Anyone have a suggestion?

    Up to the client on how it renders an emoji.

    Well, yes, I figured. But as I mentioned I couldn't find any way in
    the apps' settings to disable them.

    There are animated emojis (GIFs). The client decides whether to show
    the frames in sequence in the GIF, or if it just show the first frame.

    Back in Jul 2023, Google updates their Messages app to change emoji-only messages into "expressive and delightful" animations.

    One man's "expressive and delightful" is another's "annoying and
    distracting". I wonder what these constantly moving things do to
    people with ADHD.

    https://9to5google.com/2023/07/10/google-messages-animated-emoji-responses/

    All up to the client-side app how to handle any characters in a message.
    Your e-mail client probably makes clickable URL strings. They are still
    just all text, but the client makes the string clickable if it looks
    similar to a URL string.

    Thanks for the URL. I read the article, and did some Google searching
    of my own. Apparently you can only disable this annoyance by turning
    off animations system wide, which seems really stupid to me.

    I guess I'm going to have to waste time searching and and testing a
    replacement Messages app. I guess I'll start by giving the Samsung
    app another try. I initially disabled it because I didn't like the
    user interface, and downloaded Google's which I had used on my
    previous phone. But I can no longer remember just what I disliked
    about the UI, and maybe it's less annoying than these animations.

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Stan Brown on Fri Dec 22 15:04:28 2023
    Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

    VanguardLH wrote:

    Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

    I've looked in Samsung Keyboard settings and Google Messages
    settings, but can't find any way to turn off these local animations.
    Anyone have a suggestion?

    Up to the client on how it renders an emoji.

    Well, yes, I figured. But as I mentioned I couldn't find any way in
    the apps' settings to disable them.

    There are animated emojis (GIFs). The client decides whether to show
    the frames in sequence in the GIF, or if it just show the first frame.

    Back in Jul 2023, Google updates their Messages app to change emoji-only
    messages into "expressive and delightful" animations.

    One man's "expressive and delightful" is another's "annoying and distracting". I wonder what these constantly moving things do to
    people with ADHD.

    https://9to5google.com/2023/07/10/google-messages-animated-emoji-responses/ >>
    All up to the client-side app how to handle any characters in a message.
    Your e-mail client probably makes clickable URL strings. They are still
    just all text, but the client makes the string clickable if it looks
    similar to a URL string.

    Thanks for the URL. I read the article, and did some Google searching
    of my own. Apparently you can only disable this annoyance by turning
    off animations system wide, which seems really stupid to me.

    I guess I'm going to have to waste time searching and and testing a replacement Messages app. I guess I'll start by giving the Samsung
    app another try. I initially disabled it because I didn't like the
    user interface, and downloaded Google's which I had used on my
    previous phone. But I can no longer remember just what I disliked
    about the UI, and maybe it's less annoying than these animations.

    "In the grand scheme, this is a minor change that brings Google Messages
    in line with other chat apps."

    Well, if they're duplicating what other apps already do, you're screwed
    unless those other chat apps give you more granular control, like
    options that apply only within scope of the app where you could disable animation just for that app.

    My reading of the Google announcement was the emoji was animated only if
    it was the only emoji in the message. One emoji: animated. Two, or
    more, emojis: no animation. So, I suppose a workaround would be to put
    2 emojis in the message, like 2 side-by-side frown faces to show you're
    doubly sad. Alas, you can't make senders use 2+ emojis as a workaround.

    I found a Youtube video on how to disable animated emojis in Telegram,
    but, shit, was it a convoluted method.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMhAzWC_Ft8

    WhatsApp may not have animated emojis, but they're planning to.

    https://wabetainfo.com/whatsapp-is-working-on-animated-emojis-feature-with-lottie-to-enhance-user-messaging-experience/

    Reminds of users that flocked to Incredimail (akd IncrediMal, thankfully
    died March 2020), because they wanted to bloat their messages with fluff instead of revealing their low content.

    As you said, disabling animated emojis in Google's Messages app requires disabling animation everywhere. You're not alone in wanting to have
    simple and clear communication without a bunch of childish cutesy crap
    foisted on you. I consider inane the use of emojis. Too bad the chat
    apps don't have an option to filter them out, like "Adult mode".

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Fri Dec 22 16:19:19 2023
    On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 15:04:28 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
    My reading of the Google announcement was the emoji was animated only if
    it was the only emoji in the message. One emoji: animated. Two, or
    more, emojis: no animation.

    That was my reading also. Until they change it, of course.

    I entered a ?Help and Feedback? suggestion in the Google Messages
    app, for whatever that may be worth.

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    Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Stan Brown on Mon Dec 25 08:50:09 2023
    Stan Brown wrote:

    One man's "expressive and delightful" is another's "annoying and distracting". I wonder what these constantly moving things do to
    people with ADHD.

    I don't think they constantly move, they seem to display a couple of
    cycles of the animation, then revert to a static image ... YMMV.

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Tue Dec 26 10:15:47 2023
    On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 08:50:09 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

    Stan Brown wrote:

    One man's "expressive and delightful" is another's "annoying and distracting". I wonder what these constantly moving things do to
    people with ADHD.

    I don't think they constantly move, they seem to display a couple of
    cycles of the animation, then revert to a static image ... YMMV.

    My M does indeed V. I just created one, and counted 30 cycles, at
    roughly one per second. I don't mean that the animation stopped after
    30, I mean that I got tired of waiting for it to stop and closed the
    app.

    You said you "don't think" the motion persists. Out of curiosity,
    what do you see when you try it? (I'm using Google Messages on a
    Samsung A54 with Android 13.)

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to Stan Brown on Tue Dec 26 12:39:32 2023
    On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 10:15:47 -0800, Stan Brown wrote:

    On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 08:50:09 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

    Stan Brown wrote:

    One man's "expressive and delightful" is another's "annoying and distracting". I wonder what these constantly moving things do to
    people with ADHD.

    I don't think they constantly move, they seem to display a couple of
    cycles of the animation, then revert to a static image ... YMMV.

    My M does indeed V. I just created one, and counted 30 cycles, at
    roughly one per second. I don't mean that the animation stopped after
    30, I mean that I got tired of waiting for it to stop and closed the
    app.

    You said you "don't think" the motion persists. Out of curiosity,
    what do you see when you try it? (I'm using Google Messages on a
    Samsung A54 with Android 13.)

    Forgot to check after this morning's software update. I'm on Android
    14 now, and the behavior I describe occurs in Android 14. I'm pretty
    sure the never-ending animations were the same in Android 13, but oI
    have no way to check that.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Stan Brown on Tue Dec 26 21:13:24 2023
    On 2023-12-26 19:15, Stan Brown wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 08:50:09 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

    Stan Brown wrote:

    One man's "expressive and delightful" is another's "annoying and
    distracting". I wonder what these constantly moving things do to
    people with ADHD.

    I don't think they constantly move, they seem to display a couple of
    cycles of the animation, then revert to a static image ... YMMV.

    My M does indeed V. I just created one, and counted 30 cycles, at
    roughly one per second. I don't mean that the animation stopped after
    30, I mean that I got tired of waiting for it to stop and closed the
    app.

    You said you "don't think" the motion persists. Out of curiosity,
    what do you see when you try it? (I'm using Google Messages on a
    Samsung A54 with Android 13.)


    Look in the battery savings area.

    Moving things use more battery (for some definition of "more"), so there
    might be an adjustment over there.

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Tue Dec 26 12:43:32 2023
    On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 21:13:24 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    On 2023-12-26 19:15, Stan Brown wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 08:50:09 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

    Stan Brown wrote:

    One man's "expressive and delightful" is another's "annoying and
    distracting". I wonder what these constantly moving things do to
    people with ADHD.

    I don't think they constantly move, they seem to display a couple of
    cycles of the animation, then revert to a static image ... YMMV.

    My M does indeed V. I just created one, and counted 30 cycles, at
    roughly one per second. I don't mean that the animation stopped after
    30, I mean that I got tired of waiting for it to stop and closed the
    app.

    You said you "don't think" the motion persists. Out of curiosity,
    what do you see when you try it? (I'm using Google Messages on a
    Samsung A54 with Android 13.)


    Look in the battery savings area.

    Moving things use more battery (for some definition of "more"), so there might be an adjustment over there.

    Earlier in this thread, I reported that by googling I found the only
    way to stop these annoying ... oops, I mean "delightful" ... emoji
    animations in Messages was to turn off all animations globally in the
    phone. It sounds like you're suggesting that, and it's in
    Accessibility > Vision Enhancements, but that's not a global change I
    want to make.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Stan Brown on Wed Dec 27 00:09:33 2023
    On 2023-12-26 21:43, Stan Brown wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 21:13:24 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    On 2023-12-26 19:15, Stan Brown wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 08:50:09 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

    Stan Brown wrote:

    One man's "expressive and delightful" is another's "annoying and
    distracting". I wonder what these constantly moving things do to
    people with ADHD.

    I don't think they constantly move, they seem to display a couple of
    cycles of the animation, then revert to a static image ... YMMV.

    My M does indeed V. I just created one, and counted 30 cycles, at
    roughly one per second. I don't mean that the animation stopped after
    30, I mean that I got tired of waiting for it to stop and closed the
    app.

    You said you "don't think" the motion persists. Out of curiosity,
    what do you see when you try it? (I'm using Google Messages on a
    Samsung A54 with Android 13.)


    Look in the battery savings area.

    Moving things use more battery (for some definition of "more"), so there
    might be an adjustment over there.

    Earlier in this thread, I reported that by googling I found the only
    way to stop these annoying ... oops, I mean "delightful" ... emoji
    animations in Messages was to turn off all animations globally in the
    phone. It sounds like you're suggesting that, and it's in
    Accessibility > Vision Enhancements, but that's not a global change I
    want to make.

    No, I'm not talking "accessibility" but "battery saving". Different
    approach.

    I don't know if it will exist, and what will it to, if anything; I don't
    have that phone. I suggest you have a look, just in case.




    --
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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Stan Brown on Wed Dec 27 09:25:42 2023
    Stan Brown wrote:

    Forgot to check after this morning's software update. I'm on Android
    14 now, and the behavior I describe occurs in Android 14. I'm pretty
    sure the never-ending animations were the same in Android 13, but oI
    have no way to check that.

    Android 14 on Pixel5a here, tried sending a single animated emoji to
    myself in Google Messages, most of the time the sent and received
    messages did constantly loop, on one occasion the sent message looped
    but the received one didn't, but I can't reproduce that ...

    Maybe I was thinking about MS Teams and icons that only loop a few times?

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Dec 27 08:54:18 2023
    On Wed, 27 Dec 2023 09:25:42 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:
    Stan Brown wrote:

    Forgot to check after this morning's software update. I'm on Android
    14 now, and the behavior I describe occurs in Android 14. I'm pretty
    sure the never-ending animations were the same in Android 13, but oI
    have no way to check that.

    Android 14 on Pixel5a here, tried sending a single animated emoji to
    myself in Google Messages, most of the time the sent and received
    messages did constantly loop, on one occasion the sent message looped
    but the received one didn't, but I can't reproduce that ...

    Maybe I was thinking about MS Teams and icons that only loop a few times?


    Could be. I have zero experience with Teams, and I'm just fine with
    that.

    In the meantime, the workaround is to send _two_ emojis. The
    animation happens only when a message consisting only and entirely of
    a single emoji character is sent or received.

    --
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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Wed Dec 27 08:52:07 2023
    On Wed, 27 Dec 2023 00:09:33 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2023-12-26 21:43, Stan Brown wrote:
    [quoted text muted]
    animations in Messages was to turn off all animations globally in the phone. It sounds like you're suggesting that, and it's in
    Accessibility > Vision Enhancements, but that's not a global change I
    want to make.

    No, I'm not talking "accessibility" but "battery saving". Different
    approach.

    I don't know if it will exist, and what will it to, if anything; I don't
    have that phone. I suggest you have a look, just in case.

    I looked, and there's nothing relevant under battery saving. The
    Messages app used 0.9% of battery, which doesn't seem unreasonable
    since I've been getting a lot of group texts.

    --
    Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Stan Brown on Wed Dec 27 20:48:11 2023
    On 2023-12-27 17:54, Stan Brown wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Dec 2023 09:25:42 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:
    Stan Brown wrote:

    Forgot to check after this morning's software update. I'm on Android
    14 now, and the behavior I describe occurs in Android 14. I'm pretty
    sure the never-ending animations were the same in Android 13, but oI
    have no way to check that.

    Android 14 on Pixel5a here, tried sending a single animated emoji to
    myself in Google Messages, most of the time the sent and received
    messages did constantly loop, on one occasion the sent message looped
    but the received one didn't, but I can't reproduce that ...

    Maybe I was thinking about MS Teams and icons that only loop a few times?


    Could be. I have zero experience with Teams, and I'm just fine with
    that.

    In the meantime, the workaround is to send _two_ emojis. The
    animation happens only when a message consisting only and entirely of
    a single emoji character is sent or received.

    Ah.

    I just sent an RCS message to myself on another phone, just one emoji.
    On the sending phone the resulting large sized emoji is constantly
    moving. Same on the receiving side.

    Both are Motorola phones running Android 13.

    Kind of cute.

    They are only visible if you open a chat that contains them.

    --
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