The price level in underdeveloped markets like the US are almost double
what they are in Europe or Asia.
Then why do they charge so much for MMS in Europe?
Have to make up for the cheap plans?
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote
The price level in underdeveloped markets like the US are almost double
what they are in Europe or Asia.
Then why do they charge so much for MMS in Europe?
Have to make up for the cheap plans?
I don't see anything from Joerg but I do see Alan Brown's posts where I pay about $25 a month per line for unlimited everything in the USA on T-Mobile.
<https://i.postimg.cc/L6dFGXVd/tmopromo03.jpg> $100 for 6 lines + $16 fees
Note: Two of those lines are free for life, but Apple bricked one iPad.
How much does unlimited everything typically cost in Europe & in the UK?
wrote:
How much does unlimited everything typically cost in Europe & in the UK?
For the UK: £16 a month, with a £30 gift card and a 50% discount for the first 3 months, 12 month contract, on iD Mobile, free roaming in 50
countries including EU. Works out to be £11.50/month. https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/cheap-mobile-finder/sim-only/
Note: Two of those lines are free for life, but Apple bricked one iPad.
In misc.phone.mobile.iphone Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
...
Note: Two of those lines are free for life, but Apple bricked one
iPad.
Apple bricked iPad? How so? They couldn't recover it?
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote
The price level in underdeveloped markets like the US are almost double
what they are in Europe or Asia.
Then why do they charge so much for MMS in Europe?
Have to make up for the cheap plans?
I don't see anything from Joerg but I do see Alan Brown's posts where I pay >about $25 a month per line for unlimited everything in the USA on T-Mobile.
<https://i.postimg.cc/L6dFGXVd/tmopromo03.jpg> $100 for 6 lines + $16 fees Note: Two of those lines are free for life, but Apple bricked one iPad.
How much does unlimited everything typically cost in Europe & in the UK
Note: Two of those lines are free for life, but Apple bricked one iPad.
Apple bricked iPad? How so? They couldn't recover it?
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote
Note: Two of those lines are free for life, but Apple bricked one iPad. >>Apple bricked iPad? How so? They couldn't recover it?
Hi Ant,
Remember that only Apple requires you to log into their servers in order
for your device to continue to function - or Apple will brick that device.
<https://i.postimg.cc/q75t7MSk/appleid03.jpg> Apple _disables_ the device!
Yes, Apple unilaterally bricks your iOS device.
Try what I tried.
Three times.
Three different devices.
Same end result.
I ran the experiment on three different iPads - all with the same result (bear in mind I know the AppleID/password so that's NOT the problem here).
<https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!
"Unlimited" is always going to be subject to a FUP.
On 13 Dec 2023 11:13:41 -0400 Wally J wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote
To which I would add:
'Unlimited' in the UK means voice calls, 'texts', and mobile data. I don't think it includes MMSs. (I doubt if it includes 3g Video Calls either - 30p/min on my giffgaff!)
On 13 Dec 2023 11:13:41 -0400 Wally J wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote
The price level in underdeveloped markets like the US are almost double >>>> what they are in Europe or Asia.
Then why do they charge so much for MMS in Europe?
Have to make up for the cheap plans?
I don't see anything from Joerg but I do see Alan Brown's posts where I pay >> about $25 a month per line for unlimited everything in the USA on T-Mobile. >> <https://i.postimg.cc/L6dFGXVd/tmopromo03.jpg> $100 for 6 lines + $16 fees >> Note: Two of those lines are free for life, but Apple bricked one iPad.
How much does unlimited everything typically cost in Europe & in the UK
Here's the answer I gave in to that the other thread:
Here in the UK there is keen competition on price, wide network coverage,
and it's easy to swap mobile supplier and port your phone number. The standard competitive offering these days is a SIM-only rolling monthly contract with unlimited voice calls and SMSs and varying amounts of data: typicaly £10/month upwards but can be half that for small amounts of
data. To my knowledge MMSs are always extra - a quick google suggests
£0.5 per MMS is typical. Few people use them so there's no incentive to include them and every incentive to charge a lot for them.
To which I would add:
'Unlimited' in the UK means voice calls, 'texts', and mobile data. I don't think it includes MMSs. (I doubt if it includes 3g Video Calls either - 30p/min on my giffgaff!)
Postman Pat <at@the-post-office-not.com> wrote
"Unlimited" is always going to be subject to a FUP.
Agree that "unlimited" never means unrestricted... in so much as...
I'm a creature of detail, so I am aware what "unlimited" means
for my specific account - but I'm not sure what others mean by it.
<https://i.postimg.cc/nhpbcP50/tmopromo04.jpg>
My $25/month unlimited plan, as far as I'm aware, means to T-Mobile USA
- Unlimited free phone calls to/from USA to/from USA numbers
- Unlimited free SMS messaging (also both ways)
- Unlimited free MMS messaging (also both ways)
- Unlimited free high speed data (also both ways, see caveat)
- Unlimited free roaming (I'm not sure if that's for data or phone though)
- 5GB/month free hotspot/tethering (also both ways)
On 13 Dec 2023 11:13:41 -0400 Wally J wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote
The price level in underdeveloped markets like the US are almost double >>> what they are in Europe or Asia.
Then why do they charge so much for MMS in Europe?
Have to make up for the cheap plans?
I don't see anything from Joerg but I do see Alan Brown's posts where I pay >about $25 a month per line for unlimited everything in the USA on T-Mobile.
<https://i.postimg.cc/L6dFGXVd/tmopromo03.jpg> $100 for 6 lines + $16 fees Note: Two of those lines are free for life, but Apple bricked one iPad.
How much does unlimited everything typically cost in Europe & in the UK
Here's the answer I gave in to that the other thread:
Here in the UK there is keen competition on price, wide network coverage,
and it's easy to swap mobile supplier and port your phone number. The standard competitive offering these days is a SIM-only rolling monthly contract with unlimited voice calls and SMSs and varying amounts of data: typicaly 10/month upwards but can be half that for small amounts of
data. To my knowledge MMSs are always extra - a quick google suggests
0.5 per MMS is typical. Few people use them so there's no incentive to include them and every incentive to charge a lot for them.
You mention "3g Video Calls". I'm curious about those.
When I browse the address book in phones, some times I see the offer of >"video call", and I wondered what were those. I was told they were
expensive.
So that's the name, "3g Video Calls"?
Do you have more information on those, a link perhaps? For curiosity sake.
On 14 Dec 2023 20:07:44 +0100 Carlos E.R. wrote:
You mention "3g Video Calls". I'm curious about those.
When I browse the address book in phones, some times I see the offer of
"video call", and I wondered what were those. I was told they were
expensive.
So that's the name, "3g Video Calls"?
Do you have more information on those, a link perhaps? For curiosity sake.
I too was curious about video calls when I saw it, along with MMSs under 'extras' in my giffgaff tariff. (It's 50p/minute, not 30p as I said.)
<https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/223908/how-to-enable-3g-video-calls-on-android-smartphone>
I'd forgotten about them. But I had (still have) Nokia phones which will
do this.
I mentioned it as an example, along with MMS, of a near-obsolete
technology ;)
On 13/12/2023 20:22, Dave Royal wrote:
On 13 Dec 2023 11:13:41 -0400 Wally J wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote
The price level in underdeveloped markets like the US are almost
double
what they are in Europe or Asia.
Then why do they charge so much for MMS in Europe?
Have to make up for the cheap plans?
I don't see anything from Joerg but I do see Alan Brown's posts where
I pay
about $25 a month per line for unlimited everything in the USA on
T-Mobile.
<https://i.postimg.cc/L6dFGXVd/tmopromo03.jpg> $100 for 6 lines + $16
fees
Note: Two of those lines are free for life, but Apple bricked one iPad.
How much does unlimited everything typically cost in Europe & in the UK
Here's the answer I gave in to that the other thread:
Here in the UK there is keen competition on price, wide network coverage,
and it's easy to swap mobile supplier and port your phone number. The
standard competitive offering these days is a SIM-only rolling monthly
contract with unlimited voice calls and SMSs and varying amounts of data:
typicaly £10/month upwards but can be half that for small amounts of
data. To my knowledge MMSs are always extra - a quick google suggests
£0.5 per MMS is typical. Few people use them so there's no incentive to
include them and every incentive to charge a lot for them.
I'm sure I've used MMS for free on my PAYG Vodafone monthly (£10 for
14GB). For that I also get unlimited calls and texts (it doesn't say
SMS-only for those). Usually, though, I'd attach a photo to an email.
Heresy! If you're not against MMS you're a terrible, terrible person!
On 14/12/2023, Alan Browne wrote:
Heresy! If you're not against MMS you're a terrible, terrible person!
This is from the guy who said earlier today that any attempt to
integrate the rest of the world with Apple is a direct "attack" on
Apple's walled garden (with respect to Beeper).
For Apple to play nice with Android is just terrible. Absolutely horrible. According to this person anyway (Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>).
On 14/12/2023, Alan Browne wrote:
Heresy! If you're not against MMS you're a terrible, terrible person!
This is from the guy who said earlier today that any attempt to
integrate the rest of the world with Apple is a direct "attack" on
Apple's walled garden (with respect to Beeper).
For Apple to play nice with Android is just terrible. Absolutely horrible. According to this person anyway (Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>).
- Unlimited free high speed data (also both ways, see caveat)
- 5GB/month free hotspot/tethering (also both ways)
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote
The price level in underdeveloped markets like the US are almost double
what they are in Europe or Asia.
Then why do they charge so much for MMS in Europe?
Have to make up for the cheap plans?
I don't see anything from Joerg but I do see Alan Brown's posts where I pay about $25 a month per line for unlimited everything in the USA on T-Mobile.
How much does unlimited everything typically cost in Europe & in the UK?
On 14/12/2023 17:37, Wally J wrote:
- Unlimited free high speed data (also both ways, see caveat)
- 5GB/month free hotspot/tethering (also both ways)
That sucks.
I think Ofcom have now ruled in the UK that data is data so if you're
allowed X GB to use on your phone you must legally also be allowed to
use any or all of it for tethering.
I think Ofcom have now ruled in the UK that data is data so if you're
allowed X GB to use on your phone you must legally also be allowed to
use any or all of it for tethering.
Nice.
They probably gave things like 50 GB assuming that most people would not
use them, whereas people that connect a computer or two will use the data.
What I'd like to know is how they know you're hotspotting and/or tethering.
Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote
What I'd like to know is how they know you're hotspotting and/or tethering.
Many threads on this in the past. All over the internet.
Not sure what the consensus was...
On 2023-12-16 21:33, Peter wrote:
Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote
What I'd like to know is how they know you're hotspotting and/or tethering.
Many threads on this in the past. All over the internet.
Not sure what the consensus was...
There will be two or more local IPs, if they can see that data.
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