Why is this apparently simple thing so difficult to accomplish? It's no >problem having the time
Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> writes:
Why is this apparently simple thing so difficult to accomplish? It's no >>problem having the time
Unless you like to have seconds with your time!
Why is this apparently simple thing so difficult to accomplish? It's no >problem having the time, but the date seems only available through the
use of an app. Even then it doesn't appear to work for all phones, or
may partly work (day of the week and date of month, but no month shown,
or no year shown), and then might work for a while but an Android OS
update (or manufacturer's update) messes it up.
The "best" app appears to be DateBar, but it doesn't work properly in my >Xiaomi Note 10. The month display is iffy, and trying to customise the
month default from two letters to three doesn't work in the status bar
(is "Ju" June or July?).
Do any phone makes have the date available in the status bar by default?
Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote
Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> writes:
Why is this apparently simple thing so difficult to accomplish? It's no
problem having the time
Unless you like to have seconds with your time!
Interesting question. On my Galaxy (Android 13), when I want the date, or
the day of the week, I just tap the side button to make it sleep and tap it again to awake it (I don't use silly biometrics or a pin as I don't live in
a slum so I'm not afraid of anyone snatching my phone out of my hands), and it shows the day of the week, the date and the time (in hours & minutes).
<https://i.postimg.cc/GmnXTgxp/beeperapp.jpg>
But it's an interesting question as I had never thought about it before in
a systematic way. My default calendar app (Etar) shows the day of the week and the date, but not the time but my clock app (Clock You) shows the day
of the week, the time (with seconds) but not the date.
*Clock You* Privacy focused open source clock app
<https://f-droid.org/packages/com.bnyro.clock/>
<https://github.com/you-apps/ClockYou>
<https://you-apps.net/>
*Etar* OpenSource Calendar
<https://f-droid.org/packages/ws.xsoh.etar/>
<https://github.com/Etar-Group/Etar-Calendar>
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ws.xsoh.etar>
The default Samsung clock, which I had never deleted, does the same as
"Clock You" does, but with the added bonus of the time zone (if you look in the "World Clock" tab where you can have it report the time anywhere).
*Clock* by Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.
free,adfree,*FREE OF GSF SPYWARE*,4.1,star,243K reviews,1B+Downloads
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sec.android.app.clockpackage>
Running the basic obligatory Google Play Store search on Windows shows a
few apps that appear to put the clock into the status bar though.
<https://play.google.com/store/search?q=status%20bar%20clock&c=apps>
A search in the Skyica App Finder shows 96 results when I flip the switch
for a free ad-free status bar clock app, which drops to 88 if I ad the
switch to filter out those apps with in-app purchases, and sorted by a 4.0
or better rating drops that to 26 apps, and then sorting that to at least
10K ratings drops it down to a manageable 3 apps, the first being this:
*PowerLine: status bar meters* by Petr Nálevka (Urbandroid)
free,adfree,gsf?,inappfree,4.7star,16.1K reviews,500K+Downloads
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.urbandroid.inline>
I installed it but haven't played with it and I suggest the OP try it to
see if that app serves his purpose or not & let the rest of us in on it.
The "best" [date status bar] app appears to be DateBar,
but it doesn't work properly in my Xiaomi Note 10. The month display
is iffy,
and trying to customise the month default from two letters to three
doesn't work in the status bar (is "Ju" June or July?).
Why is this apparently simple thing so difficult to accomplish? It's no problem having the time, but the date seems only available through the
use of an app. Even then it doesn't appear to work for all phones, or
may partly work (day of the week and date of month, but no month shown,
or no year shown), and then might work for a while but an Android OS
update (or manufacturer's update) messes it up.
The "best" app appears to be DateBar, but it doesn't work properly in my Xiaomi Note 10. The month display is iffy, and trying to customise the
month default from two letters to three doesn't work in the status bar
(is "Ju" June or July?).
Do any phone makes have the date available in the status bar by default?
Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote
Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> writes:
Why is this apparently simple thing so difficult to accomplish? It's no
problem having the time
Unless you like to have seconds with your time!
Interesting question. On my Galaxy (Android 13), when I want the date, or
the day of the week, I just tap the side button to make it sleep and tap it again to awake it (I don't use silly biometrics or a pin as I don't live in
a slum so I'm not afraid of anyone snatching my phone out of my hands)
Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:
The "best" app appears to be DateBar,
When I look at the available widgets I could add to the screen (so
they always show instead of having to open an app), there are Clock
widgets some of which include time, day of week, moneh, and day
number.
Why is this apparently simple thing so difficult to accomplish? It's no problem having the time, but the date seems only available through the
use of an app. Even then it doesn't appear to work for all phones, or
may partly work (day of the week and date of month, but no month shown,
or no year shown), and then might work for a while but an Android OS
update (or manufacturer's update) messes it up.
The "best" app appears to be DateBar, but it doesn't work properly in my Xiaomi Note 10. The month display is iffy, and trying to customise the
month default from two letters to three doesn't work in the status bar
(is "Ju" June or July?).
Do any phone makes have the date available in the status bar by default?
The trouble with a home screen date widget FOR ME is that it's not
available when I need it. For instance when answering an email in Gmail
and I need but forgot the date. With DateBar I just look up and read the status bar for the date and keep typing. No need to switch screens to
see a widget.
Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> writes:
Why is this apparently simple thing so difficult to accomplish? It's no
problem having the time
Unless you like to have seconds with your time!
Modern phones have either a notch or punch out front camera,
so the available space for the status bar is limited already.
Having the date there beside the time like "12:01 2023-12-14" or
even with names like "12:01 2023 Dec 14" will leave less room for notification icons.
And most people know very well what date as it is displayed on the
lock screen already.
AJL wrote:
The trouble with a home screen date widget FOR ME is that it's not
available when I need it. For instance when answering an email in
Gmail and I need but forgot the date. With DateBar I just look up
and read the status bar for the date and keep typing. No need to
switch screens to see a widget.
Can't you just pull down the notification shade for a second to see
the date, then let it go and it will spring away again?
I have my phone programmed to say: "Th De 14". But there are several
Perhaps a not so perfect analogy: While watching TV I wonder the time. I
just look up and there is the clock on the wall giving me the time at a >glance. But with no clock my next move would be to grab my phone and
open the lock screen. 2 moves (cause I have it set to double tap to
open)... ;-)
AJL <noemail@none.com> writes:
I have my phone programmed to say: "Th De 14". But there are
several
My Windows task bar clock (at the bottom right of the screen), in
bold large black lettering:
5:33:28 348 Thu 2023-12-14 16:26:26
. (uptime, day of the year, day of the week, date, and time)
(updated once a second)
(But using additional software, not just Windows.)
(This program allows to configure text displayed information using a
format string.)
(Actually, two different pieces of software [by two different
manufacturers] work together to create this display.)
(This program allows to configure text displayed information using a
format string.)
(Actually, two different pieces of software [by two different
manufacturers] work together to create this display.)
Sounds neat...
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote
(This program allows to configure text displayed information using a
format string.)
(Actually, two different pieces of software [by two different
manufacturers] work together to create this display.)
Sounds neat...
While we're on the subject...
Given my system time is randomized every few minutes for privacy, I use
"DS Clock" on the Windows taskbar to display the real time in real time.
<https://www.dualitysoft.com/dsclock/update.html>
You got me thinking: Why can't I have a complete Windows Taskbar date
display similar to yours?
So I went to the MS store and downloaded the app 'ElevenClock'.
Now my Taskbar shows:
2:42 PM
Thursday
12/14/2023
Now no more extra hovering just to help me remember what day it is... ;)
My Windows task bar clock (at the bottom right of the screen), in
bold large black lettering:
5:33:28 348 Thu 2023-12-14 16:26:26
(Actually, two different pieces of software [by two different
manufacturers] work together to create this display.)
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote
I went to the MS store and downloaded the app 'ElevenClock'.
Now my Taskbar shows:
2:42 PM Thursday 12/14/2023
Now no more extra hovering just to help me remember what day it
is... ;)
Somewhere on Usenet I posted a tutorial on all the taskbar clock
displays. <https://i.postimg.cc/3r42Dnz6/dsclock05.jpg>
As you noticed, there are many solutions for displaying taskbar
timedate: <https://i.postimg.cc/hGrL20ZK/dsclock04.jpg
It's especially useful when you randomize your system clock to make
it slightly more difficult for fingerprinters to know your real time
zone. <https://i.postimg.cc/RVsHGmnG/dsclock.jpg <https://i.postimg.cc/sD6sDsgw/dsclock02.jpg <https://i.postimg.cc/mrCGrsVY/dsclock03.jpg
As you know I was assimilated (from a Star Trek episode) long ago. So I really don't worry much about whose server my play data resides or what zombies are after me. There's nothing much of any value on any of my
play toys (including this Windows laptop) anyway. I do keep ONE device
for the important stuff and of course never play on it. That's my idea
of security. Perhaps not CIA proof but good enough for me. Anyway thanks
for the warning and info...
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote
As you know I was assimilated (from a Star Trek episode) long ago.
So I really don't worry much about whose server my play data
resides or what zombies are after me.
There are only two truths to privacy,
People who look at you funily' when you wash your hands after you
pee...
are the same people who look at you funily' when you practice
privacy too.
On 12/14/2023 4:10 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
AJL wrote:
The trouble with a home screen date widget FOR ME is that it's not
available when I need it. For instance when answering an email in
Gmail and I need but forgot the date. With DateBar I just look up
and read the status bar for the date and keep typing. No need to
switch screens to see a widget.
Can't you just pull down the notification shade for a second to see
the date, then let it go and it will spring away again?
I can but MY phone doesn't spring back. YMMV. So let's do a lazy
analysis. Using the pull down shade requires I make 2 screen moves, down
and back. Likewise using my old home screen day/date widget requires 2
moves, home button to read the widget, and the app button to get back.
Now lets use DateBar. Hey, no moves...
On 12/14/2023 4:03 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:[...]
Having the date there beside the time like "12:01 2023-12-14" or
even with names like "12:01 2023 Dec 14" will leave less room for
notification icons.
I have my phone programmed to say: "Th De 14". But there are several
other programming options that while less abbreviated do take more
status bar space. I use those on my (larger status bar) tablets...
I can do that with my phone too, but it seems two unnecessary steps.
Surely time and date are very basic OS parameters and should be easily accessible on the status bar. Why just have the time but not the date?
AJL, 2023-12-14 16:12:
On 12/14/2023 4:03 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:[...]
Having the date there beside the time like "12:01 2023-12-14" or
even with names like "12:01 2023 Dec 14" will leave less room for
notification icons.
I have my phone programmed to say: "Th De 14". But there are several
other programming options that while less abbreviated do take more
status bar space. I use those on my (larger status bar) tablets...
No year? Maybe you forgot what year it is - and then? ;-)
Usually I never forget what year, month or day of week it is -
most of
the time I would only need the date anyway.
AJL, 2023-12-14 16:12:
On 12/14/2023 4:10 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
AJL wrote:
The trouble with a home screen date widget FOR ME is that it's not
available when I need it. For instance when answering an email in
Gmail and I need but forgot the date. With DateBar I just look up
and read the status bar for the date and keep typing. No need to
switch screens to see a widget.
Can't you just pull down the notification shade for a second to see
the date, then let it go and it will spring away again?
I can but MY phone doesn't spring back. YMMV. So let's do a lazy
analysis. Using the pull down shade requires I make 2 screen moves, down
So what? One fling down, one up.
and back. Likewise using my old home screen day/date widget requires 2
moves, home button to read the widget, and the app button to get back.
Now lets use DateBar. Hey, no moves...
But less space available in the notification area.
Personally I prefer a wrist watch with permanent date display ;-)
On 2023-12-13 19:51, Jeff Layman wrote:
...
I can do that with my phone too, but it seems two unnecessary steps.
Surely time and date are very basic OS parameters and should be easily
accessible on the status bar. Why just have the time but not the date?
Space is at a premium there.
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote
As you know I was assimilated (from a Star Trek episode) long ago. So I
really don't worry much about whose server my play data resides or what
zombies are after me. There's nothing much of any value on any of my
play toys (including this Windows laptop) anyway. I do keep ONE device
for the important stuff and of course never play on it. That's my idea
of security. Perhaps not CIA proof but good enough for me. Anyway thanks
for the warning and info...
I have no problem with your sentiments as feelings are always valid.
You may not know it, but one of my degrees is in microbiology, where I was taught a thing or two about personal hygiene, which relates to privacy.
There are only two truths to privacy, which are the same two truths for personal hygiene, one of which is the more ignorant someone is of it, the less they'll have it and the other is, for those in the know, is that personal hygiene (like privacy) is something you do all day, every day.
They're both lots of little things that add up to the desired end result.
But you have to know what they are in order to have it.
People who look at you funily' when you wash your hands after you pee...
are the same people who look at you funily' when you practice privacy too.
On 12/15/23 12:55 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:[...]
most of
the time I would only need the date anyway.
How do you remember what day the garbage goes out?? DateBar doesn't help if
I forget to look up. So I set the alarm in this Chrome tablet. Whatever did
old folks do when I was a kid... 8-O
On 12/15/23 12:53 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:[...]
Personally I prefer a wrist watch with permanent date display ;-)
Good idea if BOTH date and time are on the display at the same time like on
my phone... ;)
AJL, 2023-12-15 16:41:
On 12/15/23 12:53 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:[...]
Personally I prefer a wrist watch with permanent date display ;-)
Good idea if BOTH date and time are on the display at the same time like on >> my phone... ;)
Exactly! And I even know the date and time without taking my phone out
of my pocket
or even if I don't have any phone with me at all ;-)
On 12/15/23 10:07 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:[...]
or even if I don't have any phone with me at all ;-)
Same excuse. Her watch also works as a phone.
But I better not mention the brand here... 8-O
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote
Every day Google scans your device, in addition to when you install an app. It's a good system which prevents malware.
There could be a phone setting for it and give the owner a choice. But then
I guess that's what the Play Store is for. To make available all the
gadgets only some of us want...
I can do that with my phone too, but it seems two unnecessary steps.
Surely time and date are very basic OS parameters and should be easily accessible on the status bar. Why just have the time but not the date?
It would be like having a file manager which only showed the time a file
was created or modified, and not the date. Out of interest, does the
date appear on an iPhone status bar (assuming it has one - or whatever
Apple call it)?
On 12/15/23 12:53 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:[...]
Personally I prefer a wrist watch with permanent date display ;-)
Good idea if BOTH date and time are on the display at the same time like on
my phone... ;)
AJL, 2023-12-15 16:56:
On 12/15/23 12:55 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:[...]
most of
the time I would only need the date anyway.
How do you remember what day the garbage goes out?? DateBar doesn't help if
I don't have to. I just bring my garbage whenever I want to out to the
big collector bins which get emptied once a week. I never had any issue
with that.
I forget to look up. So I set the alarm in this Chrome tablet. Whatever did >> old folks do when I was a kid... 8-O
They had a better memory ;-) Or an old school board with a manual day >indicator which you set every morning to the next day of the week.
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote
There could be a phone setting for it and give the owner a choice. But then >> I guess that's what the Play Store is for. To make available all the
gadgets only some of us want...
I agree with anyone who says something logically sensible based on facts.
Most of the functionality of Android is NOT by Google or the carrier.
But in the ability to add any gadget we want to add to our phones.
Hence, you bring up a good point about the Google Play Store repository
being there to "give us the gadgets only some of us want", where there's >another side to the advantage of the Google Play Store repository, which is >to _replace_ the gadgets that either Google or the carrier want us to use.
An example is Google might not want us to replace Chrome with Ungoogled >Chromium, and Samsung might not want us to replace their Message app with
the Google Message app, and T-Mobile might not want us to replace their >default tools with some other set of tools, etc.
And then there is what is strangely called "sideloading", which, really, is >just "normal loading" for PC operating systems, which is we can get gadgets >such as the FOSS Google Play Store app or the FOSS YouTube client app.
Thank God Android allows us to install from anywhere we want to install.
And the Google Play AV scanning works on them also (so there's low risk).
Every day Google scans your device, in addition to when you install an app. >It's a good system which prevents malware.
Why is this apparently simple thing so difficult to accomplish? It's no >problem having the time, but the date seems only available through the
use of an app. Even then it doesn't appear to work for all phones, or
may partly work (day of the week and date of month, but no month shown,
or no year shown), and then might work for a while but an Android OS
update (or manufacturer's update) messes it up.
The "best" app appears to be DateBar, but it doesn't work properly in my >Xiaomi Note 10. The month display is iffy, and trying to customise the
month default from two letters to three doesn't work in the status bar
(is "Ju" June or July?).
Do any phone makes have the date available in the status bar by default?
In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 13 Dec 2023 11:16:55 +0000, Jeff Layman ><Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Why is this apparently simple thing so difficult to accomplish? It's no >>problem having the time, but the date seems only available through the
use of an app. Even then it doesn't appear to work for all phones, or
may partly work (day of the week and date of month, but no month shown,
or no year shown), and then might work for a while but an Android OS
update (or manufacturer's update) messes it up.
The "best" app appears to be DateBar, but it doesn't work properly in my >>Xiaomi Note 10. The month display is iffy, and trying to customise the >>month default from two letters to three doesn't work in the status bar
(is "Ju" June or July?).
I had a date at a status bar one time, but when she met me and she saw
what drink I ordered, she said I didn't have enough status.
Do any phone makes have the date available in the status bar by default?
AJL, 2023-12-15 16:41:
On 12/15/23 12:53 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:[...]
Personally I prefer a wrist watch with permanent date display ;-)
Good idea if BOTH date and time are on the display at the same time like on >> my phone... ;)
Exactly! And I even know the date and time without taking my phone out
of my pocket or even if I don't have any phone with me at all ;-)
On 12/15/23 12:53 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
So what? One fling down, one up.Eyes roll up, eyes roll down is easier, especially one handed. YMMV.
AJL <noemail@none.com> writes:
On 12/15/23 12:53 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
So what? One fling down, one up.Eyes roll up, eyes roll down is easier, especially one handed. YMMV.
When I read a PDF file and fling down to open the notification
shade, a part of my fling movement is invariably interpreted by
the PDF software as a command to move (scroll) the PDF display.
So, afterwards, I have to find the old reading position again.
On 12/15/23 10:14 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
AJL, 2023-12-15 16:56:
On 12/15/23 12:55 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:[...]
I don't have to. I just bring my garbage whenever I want to out to themost of
the time I would only need the date anyway.
How do you remember what day the garbage goes out?? DateBar doesn't help if >>
big collector bins which get emptied once a week. I never had any issue
with that.
Ah. You have an alley then? My last house had an alley with a big (4
neighbor) dump your garbage anytime bin. That old alley was a very very
nasty place though. Glad to be rid of it...
On 2023-12-15 10:24, Wally J wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote
Every day Google scans your device, in addition to when you install an app. >> It's a good system which prevents malware.
So having Google scan your device is a good thing from a privacy
perspective, is it?
AJL, 2023-12-15 19:42:
On 12/15/23 10:14 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
AJL, 2023-12-15 16:56:
On 12/15/23 12:55 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:[...]
most of
the time I would only need the date anyway.
How do you remember what day the garbage goes out?? DateBar doesn't help if
I don't have to. I just bring my garbage whenever I want to out to the
big collector bins which get emptied once a week. I never had any issue
with that.
Ah. You have an alley then? My last house had an alley with a big (4
neighbor) dump your garbage anytime bin. That old alley was a very very
nasty place though. Glad to be rid of it...
No - a shed with the bins to collect the garbage of about 80 apartements
from multiple tenement house.
On 2023-12-17 11:55, Arno Welzel wrote:
AJL, 2023-12-15 19:42:
On 12/15/23 10:14 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
AJL, 2023-12-15 16:56:
On 12/15/23 12:55 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:[...]
most of
the time I would only need the date anyway.
How do you remember what day the garbage goes out?? DateBar doesn't help if
I don't have to. I just bring my garbage whenever I want to out to the >>>> big collector bins which get emptied once a week. I never had any issue >>>> with that.
Ah. You have an alley then? My last house had an alley with a big (4
neighbor) dump your garbage anytime bin. That old alley was a very very >>> nasty place though. Glad to be rid of it...
No - a shed with the bins to collect the garbage of about 80 apartements
from multiple tenement house.
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