Google wants you to use Google Messages to communicate with RCS.
<https://www.xatakandroid.com/aplicaciones-android/que-tiemble-whatsapp-estas-novedades-mensajes-google-van-a-hacer-que-app-sms-suba-nivel>
*Let WhatsApp tremble: these new features in Google Messages are going
to take the SMS app to the next level*
Iván Ramírez
3-4 minutes
Google has spent the last few months promoting the use of RCS,
especially to Apple. Now that it looks like prayers have been answered
and Apple has promised to jump on the bandwagon, they need to get ready
for phase B: bringing Google Messages into the new millennium so it can compete head-to-head with apps like WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal or iMessage.
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
Google wants you to use Google Messages to communicate with RCS.
Thanks for letting us know (there's a name change in the app also, but
Google does that a lot, as do many highly marketed companies).
For others seeking RCS, these are all the known RCS apps I could find.
*What RCS messaging chat (MMS/SMS/RCS) apps do you know of for Android?*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/YQNFQmXJjIo/>
I'm told, if I understand what I'm told, the "main" advantage to RCS for
many Europeans is that they pay for MMS images (sent? received?) without
RCS but with RCS, since it can send MMS images over Wi-Wi, they're free.
BTW, is it only sent MMS images that become free with RCS for them?
Or received MMS images also?
On 04.12.23 00:00, Carlos E. R. wrote:
<https://www.xatakandroid.com/aplicaciones-android/que-tiemble-whatsapp-estas-novedades-mensajes-google-van-a-hacer-que-app-sms-suba-nivel>
*Let WhatsApp tremble: these new features in Google Messages are going
to take the SMS app to the next level*
Iván Ramírez
3-4 minutes
RCS is a loser's game.
Google has spent the last few months promoting the use of RCS,
especially to Apple. Now that it looks like prayers have been answered
and Apple has promised to jump on the bandwagon, they need to get ready
for phase B: bringing Google Messages into the new millennium so it can
compete head-to-head with apps like WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal or iMessage.
RCS is redundant. Nobody needs it and nobody is waiting for it.
And you act again as little fanboy.
He would have to pay on internet, he would be identified, oh the horror!
On 2023-12-04 20:25, Wally J wrote:
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
Google wants you to use Google Messages to communicate with RCS.
Thanks for letting us know (there's a name change in the app also, but
Google does that a lot, as do many highly marketed companies).
For others seeking RCS, these are all the known RCS apps I could find.
*What RCS messaging chat (MMS/SMS/RCS) apps do you know of for Android?* >> <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/YQNFQmXJjIo/>
I'm told, if I understand what I'm told, the "main" advantage to RCS for
many Europeans is that they pay for MMS images (sent? received?) without
RCS but with RCS, since it can send MMS images over Wi-Wi, they're free.
WiFi or provider internet network. We pay to the internet provider
according to the contract. Aside that, RCS is gratis, no matter what we
send or receive.
BTW, is it only sent MMS images that become free with RCS for them?
Or received MMS images also?
We don't pay for receiving anything. Not even phone calls (except on roaming).
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
He would have to pay on internet, he would be identified, oh the horror!
Hi Carlos,
It seems you need some heart-felt basic advice...
First of all, privacy isn't something an intelligent person makes fun of. Secondly, if you're an adult, your arguments should be somewhat consistent.
For example, these are your own words just today to Jeorg about RCS:
"We don't pay for receiving anything.
Not even phone calls (except on roaming)."
Please be consistent next time.
If you're going to make fun of me for doing what you're doing, then at
least put a signature in that says you're appling rules only to others.
Not to yourself.
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
On 2023-12-04 20:25, Wally J wrote:
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
Google wants you to use Google Messages to communicate with RCS.
Thanks for letting us know (there's a name change in the app also, but
Google does that a lot, as do many highly marketed companies).
For others seeking RCS, these are all the known RCS apps I could find.
*What RCS messaging chat (MMS/SMS/RCS) apps do you know of for Android?* >>> <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/YQNFQmXJjIo/>
I'm told, if I understand what I'm told, the "main" advantage to RCS for >>> many Europeans is that they pay for MMS images (sent? received?) without >>> RCS but with RCS, since it can send MMS images over Wi-Wi, they're free.
WiFi or provider internet network. We pay to the internet provider
according to the contract. Aside that, RCS is gratis, no matter what we
send or receive.
BTW, is it only sent MMS images that become free with RCS for them?
Or received MMS images also?
We don't pay for receiving anything. Not even phone calls (except on
roaming).
Hi Carlos,
I'm not sure why anyone responds to Joerg simply because there are only two or three posters to this newsgroup who _never_ can add any on-topic value, where Joerg is soundly in that short list (as is Alan Baker).
Anyway, back to the topic, I appreciate that both you & Andy Burns
described why you use RCS, as most of us in the states get that for free - but if I were in your shoes, I'd look for a way to do it for free also.
Being consistent is what I'm all about, so I commend you (and Andy Burns)
for finding a way to get "things" for free that you'd otherwise pay for.
I think in your response, that you mixed your Internet provider costs with your cellular provider costs, so I'm still a tiny bit confused becasue you didn't answer the question that I asked, but you answered a bigger one.
I'm trying to understand _what exactly_ is it about RCS that you need.
Keeping the question to just RCS alone, and ignoring what you pay for phone calls and for Internet service, am I correct in my understanding that the only thing RCS gives you that you don't have already, is _free_ MMS?
Is that correct?
Is that free MMS in both directions (send & receive)?
it is not that we do not want to pay for those services.
Nothing related to privacy here.
It is that mobile companies do not charge us for receiving calls or
receiving MMS or receiving SMS.
The concept of charging for receiving
calls or messages is ridiculous here, it is an American thing.
The sender or caller pays it all.
The only exception is when roaming.
I am consistent, but you read things with your coloured glasses.
I'm telling you that the only cost with RCS for us is the internet cost.
It is very clear.
Is that free MMS in both directions (send & receive)?
Yes, it is gratis, and it is available in any (android) phone.
No need to install anything.
It is also an improved SMS system, with features similar to other
messaging platform. And it comes installed by default, nothing to do.
During transition time we have to watch out that the correspondent has
it enabled.
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
it is not that we do not want to pay for those services.
Nothing related to privacy here.
The problem about paying for Usenet services is it's a PITA to do so
without losing your privacy. Some people do it, I'm sure. And that's OK.
It is that mobile companies do not charge us for receiving calls or
receiving MMS or receiving SMS.
Thanks for answering the question as I was faithfully trying to understand _why_ you and Andy wanted RCS whereas nobody I know here cares for it.
Apparently it's only the _sending_ of MMS that they charge you for.
And, apparently, with RCS, you can use your Wi-Fi to send those MMS images.
If that's the case, then I'm in agreement with you that RCS is good for
you. All I was ever trying to do was _understand_ what RCS did for you.
The concept of charging for receiving
calls or messages is ridiculous here, it is an American thing.
I agree with you that it's ridiculous for charging for receiving anything.
My plan doesn't charge for anything (unlimited everything).
But I'm sure some do charge for receiving data and/or calls and/or MMS.
The sender or caller pays it all.
Thank you for clarifying the answer.
It should always be the recipient isn't charged.
The only exception is when roaming.
Luckily my plan has unlimited free roaming in the USA & Europe.
But it costs $25/month per line.
Which I think is typical in the USA.
How much do they charge you guys for unlimited everything?
I am consistent, but you read things with your coloured glasses.
Well, I apologize if I thought you were making fun of me for privacy.
Even if you were making fun of me for not paying for stuff it's OK.
Usenet is water under the bridge.
If you act civilly to me, I'll act civilly to you.
I'm a fair deal.
The only people I don't like are the iKooks because they're truly deceitful unprepossessingly horrid people who have no good intentions in their lives.
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
It is also an improved SMS system, with features similar to other
messaging platform. And it comes installed by default, nothing to do.
You have mentioned this "installed by default" issue so many times that I
get it that, to you, installing a piece of software is apparently huge.
But please don't tell _me_ that, as I've installed more software probably
in the past week on my Android than you've installed in your entire life.
It's pitifully trivial to complain that you have to "install something".
I understand you, but when communicating to me, you only need to tell me
that once as you seem to think it's a huge deal to tap on an APK file.
It's not.
Making an account _is_ a bigger deal - but not because it's difficult.
Making an account is an instant loss of privacy - which is important.
During transition time we have to watch out that the correspondent has
it enabled.
Interesting. Very interesting. But is that the case for free MMS?
I hope not.
That is, I get it that for you to take advantage of _all_ the features of RCS, the recipient would need to have RCS enabled - but - for _you_ to be able to _send free MMS_ messages, I would hope the recipient can be anyone.
Is that correct?
For just the free MMS sending, the recipient can be on _any_ phone.
Right?
All I want to do is understand why you and Andy prefer RCS.
Yes, it is gratis, and it is available in any (android) phone. No need
to install anything.
It is also an improved SMS system, with features similar to other
messaging platform. And it comes installed by default, nothing to do.
During transition time we have to watch out that the correspondent has
it enabled.
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
[About RCS:]
Yes, it is gratis, and it is available in any (android) phone. No need
to install anything.
It is also an improved SMS system, with features similar to other
messaging platform. And it comes installed by default, nothing to do.
Minor nit: It's available on any Android phone which uses the Google Messages app.
Several brands - for example Samsung - use their own Messages app, so these phones *would* have to install the Google Messages app and change
the default to it, to get RCS functionality.
Minor nit: It's available on any Android phone which uses the Google Messages app.
Several brands - for example Samsung - use their own Messages app, so
these phones *would* have to install the Google Messages app and change
the default to it, to get RCS functionality.
On 2023-12-06 17:00, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
[About RCS:]
Yes, it is gratis, and it is available in any (android) phone. No need
to install anything.
It is also an improved SMS system, with features similar to other
messaging platform. And it comes installed by default, nothing to do.
Minor nit: It's available on any Android phone which uses the Google Messages app.
Several brands - for example Samsung - use their own Messages app, so these phones *would* have to install the Google Messages app and change
the default to it, to get RCS functionality.
That's interesting.
I know that I can RCS with a correspondent that uses a Samsung phone and
I know is unable to install anything. Somebody else might have done the
app change, but I doubt it.
So I assume that (some?) Samsung phones have an RCS capable app by
default. Maybe not with all the google features.
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:Google Messages has been the default messaging app on Samsung phones for
On 2023-12-06 17:00, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
[About RCS:]
Yes, it is gratis, and it is available in any (android) phone. No need >>>> to install anything.
It is also an improved SMS system, with features similar to other
messaging platform. And it comes installed by default, nothing to do.
Minor nit: It's available on any Android phone which uses the Google >>> Messages app.
Several brands - for example Samsung - use their own Messages app, so >>> these phones *would* have to install the Google Messages app and change
the default to it, to get RCS functionality.
That's interesting.
I know that I can RCS with a correspondent that uses a Samsung phone and
I know is unable to install anything. Somebody else might have done the
app change, but I doubt it.
So I assume that (some?) Samsung phones have an RCS capable app by
default. Maybe not with all the google features.
Perhaps other Samsung users (AJL?) can post which Messages app their
phone has (Samsung's or Google's).
If Google's Messages app: If they installed that themselves or it came with the phone or a phone-software update.
If Samsung's Messages app: If that can do RCS or/and has settings for
RCS.
As to my Samsung Messages app: I can't prove that it can't do RCS, but
it does not have any RCS related setting, while I understand the Google Messages app has a switch to turn RCS on/off.
N.B. My phone is a three year old Samsung Galaxy A51, Android 13 and
fully updated, also the Google Play system update(s).
Perhaps other Samsung users (AJL?) can post which Messages app their
phone has (Samsung's or Google's).
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-12-06 17:00, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
[About RCS:]
Yes, it is gratis, and it is available in any (android) phone. No need >>>> to install anything.
It is also an improved SMS system, with features similar to other
messaging platform. And it comes installed by default, nothing to do.
Minor nit: It's available on any Android phone which uses the Google >>> Messages app.
Several brands - for example Samsung - use their own Messages app, so >>> these phones *would* have to install the Google Messages app and change
the default to it, to get RCS functionality.
That's interesting.
I know that I can RCS with a correspondent that uses a Samsung phone and
I know is unable to install anything. Somebody else might have done the
app change, but I doubt it.
So I assume that (some?) Samsung phones have an RCS capable app by
default. Maybe not with all the google features.
Perhaps other Samsung users (AJL?) can post which Messages app their
phone has (Samsung's or Google's).
If Google's Messages app: If they installed that themselves or it came with the phone or a phone-software update.
If Samsung's Messages app: If that can do RCS or/and has settings for
RCS.
As to my Samsung Messages app: I can't prove that it can't do RCS, but
it does not have any RCS related setting, while I understand the Google Messages app has a switch to turn RCS on/off.
N.B. My phone is a three year old Samsung Galaxy A51, Android 13 and
fully updated, also the Google Play system update(s).
On 12/7/23 10:53 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Perhaps other Samsung users (AJL?) can post which Messages app their
phone has (Samsung's or Google's).
My Galaxy S10+ came with (and I still use) the Samsung app...
On 2023-12-07 18:53, Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
Perhaps other Samsung users (AJL?) can post which Messages app their phone has (Samsung's or Google's).
If Google's Messages app: If they installed that themselves or it came with the phone or a phone-software update.
If Samsung's Messages app: If that can do RCS or/and has settings for RCS.
As to my Samsung Messages app: I can't prove that it can't do RCS, but it does not have any RCS related setting, while I understand the Google Messages app has a switch to turn RCS on/off.
You can open a conversation, and tap in the compose box. A little icon
or label should tell you if it will use SMS or RCS (and maybe MMS). If
you try several conversations (private people, not organizations) and
none says RCS, there are chances your app doesn't support RCS.
My guess is, it does RCS.
N.B. My phone is a three year old Samsung Galaxy A51, Android 13 and fully updated, also the Google Play system update(s).
On 07/12/2023 17:53, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-12-06 17:00, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
[About RCS:]
Yes, it is gratis, and it is available in any (android) phone. No need >>>> to install anything.Minor nit: It's available on any Android phone which uses the Google >>> Messages app.
It is also an improved SMS system, with features similar to other
messaging platform. And it comes installed by default, nothing to do. >>>
Several brands - for example Samsung - use their own Messages app, so >>> these phones *would* have to install the Google Messages app and change >>> the default to it, to get RCS functionality.
That's interesting.
I know that I can RCS with a correspondent that uses a Samsung phone and >> I know is unable to install anything. Somebody else might have done the
app change, but I doubt it.
So I assume that (some?) Samsung phones have an RCS capable app by
default. Maybe not with all the google features.
Perhaps other Samsung users (AJL?) can post which Messages app their phone has (Samsung's or Google's).
If Google's Messages app: If they installed that themselves or it came with the phone or a phone-software update.
If Samsung's Messages app: If that can do RCS or/and has settings for RCS.
As to my Samsung Messages app: I can't prove that it can't do RCS, but it does not have any RCS related setting, while I understand the Google Messages app has a switch to turn RCS on/off.
N.B. My phone is a three year old Samsung Galaxy A51, Android 13 and fully updated, also the Google Play system update(s).
Google Messages has been the default messaging app on Samsung phones for
a couple of years now.
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-12-07 18:53, Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
Perhaps other Samsung users (AJL?) can post which Messages app their >>> phone has (Samsung's or Google's).
If Google's Messages app: If they installed that themselves or it came >>> with the phone or a phone-software update.
If Samsung's Messages app: If that can do RCS or/and has settings for >>> RCS.
As to my Samsung Messages app: I can't prove that it can't do RCS, but >>> it does not have any RCS related setting, while I understand the Google
Messages app has a switch to turn RCS on/off.
You can open a conversation, and tap in the compose box. A little icon
or label should tell you if it will use SMS or RCS (and maybe MMS). If
you try several conversations (private people, not organizations) and
none says RCS, there are chances your app doesn't support RCS.
My guess is, it does RCS.
In the compose box of my Samsung Messages app, there is no such icon, label or anything.
The only things are recipient box (with a '+' to select recipients), message box (with a '+' to select immediate or scheduled sending) and
the arrow-in-green-circle to send the message.
So I can not select RCS and have no idea if the recipient can handle
RCS or not.
So things are not as ideal as we would like. OTOH, a sender with RCS capability can always *try* if the recipient can handle RCS.
N.B. My phone is a three year old Samsung Galaxy A51, Android 13 and >>> fully updated, also the Google Play system update(s).
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
On 12/7/23 10:53 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Perhaps other Samsung users (AJL?) can post which Messages app their
phone has (Samsung's or Google's).
My Galaxy S10+ came with (and I still use) the Samsung app...
Thanks for the confirmation. So one can not assume that one's
correspondent's phone is RCS capable. It might be, but it needs to be
tested to make sure.
BTW, IIRC the Google Messages app was at some time offered by the Play
Store, but only offered, not force installed.
On 2023-12-08 15:04, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-12-07 18:53, Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
Perhaps other Samsung users (AJL?) can post which Messages app their >>> phone has (Samsung's or Google's).
If Google's Messages app: If they installed that themselves or it came
with the phone or a phone-software update.
If Samsung's Messages app: If that can do RCS or/and has settings for >>> RCS.
As to my Samsung Messages app: I can't prove that it can't do RCS, but
it does not have any RCS related setting, while I understand the Google >>> Messages app has a switch to turn RCS on/off.
You can open a conversation, and tap in the compose box. A little icon
or label should tell you if it will use SMS or RCS (and maybe MMS). If
you try several conversations (private people, not organizations) and
none says RCS, there are chances your app doesn't support RCS.
My guess is, it does RCS.
In the compose box of my Samsung Messages app, there is no such icon, label or anything.
The only things are recipient box (with a '+' to select recipients), message box (with a '+' to select immediate or scheduled sending) and
the arrow-in-green-circle to send the message.
So I can not select RCS and have no idea if the recipient can handle
RCS or not.
Well, your phone is three years old, I think you said, and Samsung
switched to the google app 2 years ago.
So things are not as ideal as we would like. OTOH, a sender with RCS capability can always *try* if the recipient can handle RCS.
The google messages tool tells instantly, before typing, if it is RCS.
N.B. My phone is a three year old Samsung Galaxy A51, Android 13 and >>> fully updated, also the Google Play system update(s).
Keeping the question to just RCS alone, and ignoring what you pay for phone calls and for Internet service, am I correct in my understanding that the only thing RCS gives you that you don't have already, is_free_ MMS?
Is that correct?
Is that free MMS in both directions (send & receive)?
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-12-08 15:04, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-12-07 18:53, Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
Perhaps other Samsung users (AJL?) can post which Messages app their >>>>> phone has (Samsung's or Google's).
If Google's Messages app: If they installed that themselves or it came
with the phone or a phone-software update.
If Samsung's Messages app: If that can do RCS or/and has settings for
RCS.
As to my Samsung Messages app: I can't prove that it can't do RCS, but
it does not have any RCS related setting, while I understand the Google >>>>> Messages app has a switch to turn RCS on/off.
You can open a conversation, and tap in the compose box. A little icon >>>> or label should tell you if it will use SMS or RCS (and maybe MMS). If >>>> you try several conversations (private people, not organizations) and
none says RCS, there are chances your app doesn't support RCS.
My guess is, it does RCS.
In the compose box of my Samsung Messages app, there is no such icon, >>> label or anything.
The only things are recipient box (with a '+' to select recipients), >>> message box (with a '+' to select immediate or scheduled sending) and
the arrow-in-green-circle to send the message.
So I can not select RCS and have no idea if the recipient can handle >>> RCS or not.
Well, your phone is three years old, I think you said, and Samsung
switched to the google app 2 years ago.
Phil said "a couple of years", not two, and without a reference, so
for the time being we have to take his word for it, together with the
vague period.
Anyway, as I said, my phone is fully updated with Samsung 'Software update's (now Android 13) and 'Google Play system update's, but the
Messages app is *still* Samsung's not Google's. So there for no *forced* update/switch from Samsung Messages to Google Messages. AJL reported the
same for his Samsung Galaxy S10+ phone.
So things are not as ideal as we would like. OTOH, a sender with RCS >>> capability can always *try* if the recipient can handle RCS.
The google messages tool tells instantly, before typing, if it is RCS.
But what if the recipients phone is RCS-*capable*, but the recipient
has not *enabled* RCS? Does the sender then get any kind of yes/no (RCS) indication, *before* sending the message,
A couple of years is two years :-)
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couple (plural couples)
1 Two of the same kind connected or considered together.
A couple of police officers appeared at the door.
2 Two partners in a romantic or sexual relationship.
3 (informal) A small number.
4 One of the pairs of plates of two metals which compose a voltaic
battery, called a voltaic couple or galvanic couple.
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7 That which joins or links two things together; a bond or tie; a coupler.
On 2023-12-08 16:49, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-12-08 15:04, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-12-07 18:53, Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
Perhaps other Samsung users (AJL?) can post which Messages app their
phone has (Samsung's or Google's).
If Google's Messages app: If they installed that themselves
or it came with the phone or a phone-software update.
If Samsung's Messages app: If that can do RCS or/and has settings for >>>>> RCS.
As to my Samsung Messages app: I can't prove that it can't do RCS, but
it does not have any RCS related setting, while I understand the Google >>>>> Messages app has a switch to turn RCS on/off.
You can open a conversation, and tap in the compose box. A little icon >>>> or label should tell you if it will use SMS or RCS (and maybe MMS). If >>>> you try several conversations (private people, not organizations) and >>>> none says RCS, there are chances your app doesn't support RCS.
My guess is, it does RCS.
In the compose box of my Samsung Messages app, there is no such icon, >>> label or anything.
The only things are recipient box (with a '+' to select recipients), >>> message box (with a '+' to select immediate or scheduled sending) and
the arrow-in-green-circle to send the message.
So I can not select RCS and have no idea if the recipient can handle >>> RCS or not.
Well, your phone is three years old, I think you said, and Samsung
switched to the google app 2 years ago.
Phil said "a couple of years", not two, and without a reference, so
for the time being we have to take his word for it, together with the
vague period.
A couple of years is two years :-)
2 Two partners in a romantic or sexual relationship.
Anyway, as I said, my phone is fully updated with Samsung 'Software update's (now Android 13) and 'Google Play system update's, but the Messages app is *still* Samsung's not Google's. So there for no *forced* update/switch from Samsung Messages to Google Messages. AJL reported the same for his Samsung Galaxy S10+ phone.
I never mentioned a forced update, not to a different app.
I talked about google updating its own app, and having a default of "enabled".
So things are not as ideal as we would like. OTOH, a sender with RCS >>> capability can always *try* if the recipient can handle RCS.
The google messages tool tells instantly, before typing, if it is RCS.
But what if the recipients phone is RCS-*capable*, but the recipient
has not *enabled* RCS? Does the sender then get any kind of yes/no (RCS) indication, *before* sending the message,
We get "SMS".
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-12-08 16:49, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-12-08 15:04, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-12-07 18:53, Frank Slootweg wrote:
So I can not select RCS and have no idea if the recipient can handle >>>>> RCS or not.
Well, your phone is three years old, I think you said, and Samsung
switched to the google app 2 years ago.
Phil said "a couple of years", not two, and without a reference, so
for the time being we have to take his word for it, together with the
vague period.
A couple of years is two years :-)
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2 Two partners in a romantic or sexual relationship.
If that's not thread drift, I don't know *what* is! :-)
[...]
Anyway, as I said, my phone is fully updated with Samsung 'Software
update's (now Android 13) and 'Google Play system update's, but the
Messages app is *still* Samsung's not Google's. So there for no *forced* >>> update/switch from Samsung Messages to Google Messages. AJL reported the >>> same for his Samsung Galaxy S10+ phone.
I never mentioned a forced update, not to a different app.
I talked about google updating its own app, and having a default of
"enabled".
No, of course you didn't a forced update, but not being forced, means
the proliferation will be (more) limited.
So things are not as ideal as we would like. OTOH, a sender with RCS >>>>> capability can always *try* if the recipient can handle RCS.
The google messages tool tells instantly, before typing, if it is RCS.
But what if the recipients phone is RCS-*capable*, but the recipient >>> has not *enabled* RCS? Does the sender then get any kind of yes/no (RCS) >>> indication, *before* sending the message,
We get "SMS".
It would be nice if the sender's app could/would determine that the recipients app is RCS-able but not RCS-enabled, but perhaps that's not tecnically possible or allowed.
Phil <philusenet1458@gmx.com> wrote:Indeed. Your phone is slightly older. I know someone with the A52s 5G
On 07/12/2023 17:53, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-12-06 17:00, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
[About RCS:]
Yes, it is gratis, and it is available in any (android) phone. No need >>>>>> to install anything.Minor nit: It's available on any Android phone which uses the Google
It is also an improved SMS system, with features similar to other
messaging platform. And it comes installed by default, nothing to do. >>>>>
Messages app.
Several brands - for example Samsung - use their own Messages app, so
these phones *would* have to install the Google Messages app and change >>>>> the default to it, to get RCS functionality.
That's interesting.
I know that I can RCS with a correspondent that uses a Samsung phone and >>>> I know is unable to install anything. Somebody else might have done the >>>> app change, but I doubt it.
So I assume that (some?) Samsung phones have an RCS capable app by
default. Maybe not with all the google features.
Perhaps other Samsung users (AJL?) can post which Messages app their >>> phone has (Samsung's or Google's).
If Google's Messages app: If they installed that themselves or it came >>> with the phone or a phone-software update.
If Samsung's Messages app: If that can do RCS or/and has settings for >>> RCS.
As to my Samsung Messages app: I can't prove that it can't do RCS, but >>> it does not have any RCS related setting, while I understand the Google
Messages app has a switch to turn RCS on/off.
N.B. My phone is a three year old Samsung Galaxy A51, Android 13 and >>> fully updated, also the Google Play system update(s).
Google Messages has been the default messaging app on Samsung phones for
a couple of years now.
If you say so. But as I said, it did *not* come on my three year old Samsung Galaxy A51 and did *not* come in any Samsung or Google automatic update. See also AJL's post which says the same for his Samsung Galaxy
S10+.
So the point remains that one can *not* assume that one's
correspondent's phone has the Google Messages app and hence one can
*not* assume that one can use RCS when messaging someone.
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:The Google messages app basically tells you if the recipient's app is
On 2023-12-08 16:49, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-12-08 15:04, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-12-07 18:53, Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
Perhaps other Samsung users (AJL?) can post which Messages app their
phone has (Samsung's or Google's).
If Google's Messages app: If they installed that themselves
or it came with the phone or a phone-software update.
If Samsung's Messages app: If that can do RCS or/and has settings for
RCS.
As to my Samsung Messages app: I can't prove that it can't do RCS, but
it does not have any RCS related setting, while I understand the Google >>>>>>> Messages app has a switch to turn RCS on/off.
You can open a conversation, and tap in the compose box. A little icon >>>>>> or label should tell you if it will use SMS or RCS (and maybe MMS). If >>>>>> you try several conversations (private people, not organizations) and >>>>>> none says RCS, there are chances your app doesn't support RCS.
My guess is, it does RCS.
In the compose box of my Samsung Messages app, there is no such icon,
label or anything.
The only things are recipient box (with a '+' to select recipients), >>>>> message box (with a '+' to select immediate or scheduled sending) and >>>>> the arrow-in-green-circle to send the message.
So I can not select RCS and have no idea if the recipient can handle >>>>> RCS or not.
Well, your phone is three years old, I think you said, and Samsung
switched to the google app 2 years ago.
Phil said "a couple of years", not two, and without a reference, so
for the time being we have to take his word for it, together with the
vague period.
A couple of years is two years :-)
[...]
2 Two partners in a romantic or sexual relationship.
If that's not thread drift, I don't know *what* is! :-)
[...]
Anyway, as I said, my phone is fully updated with Samsung 'Software
update's (now Android 13) and 'Google Play system update's, but the
Messages app is *still* Samsung's not Google's. So there for no *forced* >>> update/switch from Samsung Messages to Google Messages. AJL reported the >>> same for his Samsung Galaxy S10+ phone.
I never mentioned a forced update, not to a different app.
I talked about google updating its own app, and having a default of
"enabled".
No, of course you didn't a forced update, but not being forced, means
the proliferation will be (more) limited.
So things are not as ideal as we would like. OTOH, a sender with RCS >>>>> capability can always *try* if the recipient can handle RCS.
The google messages tool tells instantly, before typing, if it is RCS.
But what if the recipients phone is RCS-*capable*, but the recipient >>> has not *enabled* RCS? Does the sender then get any kind of yes/no (RCS) >>> indication, *before* sending the message,
We get "SMS".
It would be nice if the sender's app could/would determine that the recipients app is RCS-able but not RCS-enabled, but perhaps that's not tecnically possible or allowed.
On 08/12/2023 18:01, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-12-08 16:49, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-12-08 15:04, Frank Slootweg wrote:
The Google messages app basically tells you if the recipient's app is connected to a RCS server. So you can tell if they have it enabled orSo things are not as ideal as we would like. OTOH, a
sender with RCS capability can always *try* if the
recipient can handle RCS.
The google messages tool tells instantly, before typing, if
it is RCS.
But what if the recipients phone is RCS-*capable*, but the
recipient has not *enabled* RCS? Does the sender then get any
kind of yes/no (RCS) indication, *before* sending the message,
We get "SMS".
It would be nice if the sender's app could/would determine that the
recipients app is RCS-able but not RCS-enabled, but perhaps that's not
tecnically possible or allowed.
not. If they disable RCS it will tell you that the message is going to
be sent as a SMS (labelled as 'Text' in Google messages).
Also in your conversations list, everyone who has RCS enabled has a
little blue Google Messages icon next to their name.
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