• new to sphone & android

    From bad sector@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 3 00:40:53 2023
    After having done next to nothing with my new
    phone the first backup to USB I did ended up
    as a 4gb SmartSwitchBackup2 folder tree. I just
    did a Factory Reset followed by another backup
    and this one is only 700mb. Is there any reference
    saying what size a Factory Reset backup should
    be? I'm at a loss trying to understand this huge
    difference.

    Similarly, what's the difference between doing
    a Factory Reset or instead of that just a
    recovery from a previous backup made immediately
    after such a reset?

    Finally are all the instances of Android OS the
    same on all android phones? The reason I'm asking
    is that my Flip5 tells me that it cannot find any
    external medium so I should plug in an SD card
    or a USB device even though this phone has no SD
    card port even (not to mention that all this
    time it's plugged into and being read by my
    computer with a path ready to accept the backup).

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to bad sector on Sun Dec 3 09:12:46 2023
    bad sector wrote:

    are all the instances of Android OS the
    same on all android phones?

    Phone manufacturers see fit to make changes to their phones to
    differentiate them, no doubt they see this as a good thing, I doubt the
    users agree ...

    The reason I'm asking
    is that my Flip5 tells me that it cannot find any
    external medium so I should plug in an SD card
    or a USB device even though this phone has no SD
    card port even

    Only my first Android phone had an SD slot (just as well as it only had
    0.5 GB of onboard storage). Since then Google's on devices have relied
    on a reasonable amount of fixed storage plus cloud storage.

    (not to mention that all this
    time it's plugged into and being read by my
    computer with a path ready to accept the backup).

    Plugging your phone into a PC can allow your PC to see [some of] the
    phone's storage, e.g. for copying photos, but it doesn't allow the phone
    to store files e.g. backups onto your PC.

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  • From bad sector@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sun Dec 3 08:41:39 2023
    On 12/3/23 4:12 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
    bad sector wrote:

    are all the instances of Android OS the
    same on all android phones?

    Phone manufacturers see fit to make changes to their phones to
    differentiate them, no doubt they see this as a good thing, I doubt the
    users agree ...

    The reason I'm asking
    is that my Flip5 tells me that it cannot find any
    external medium so I should plug in an SD card
    or a USB device even though this phone has no SD
    card port even

    Only my first Android phone had an SD slot (just as well as it only had
    0.5 GB of onboard storage). Since then Google's on devices have relied
    on a reasonable amount of fixed storage plus cloud storage.

    Cloud storage I will never go near, its purpose
    was crystal clear the minute it was invented.

    But thanks for chiming in, I wanted to know if
    all Android OS'es were the same (except for version),
    so Samsung likely saw fit to mod the OS but not
    enough to write out the SD card that the phone
    doesn't even have.


    (not to mention that all this
    time it's plugged into and being read by my
    computer with a path ready to accept the backup).

    Plugging your phone into a PC can allow your PC to see [some of] the
    phone's storage, e.g. for copying photos, but it doesn't allow the phone
    to store files e.g. backups onto your PC.

    THAT's exactly what I wonder about, why the phone
    would not allow this, after all in this sense the
    computer is just another external storage device
    and its file system (ext4) isn't even proprietary.

    I just got a hold of this on the Samsung NG:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2akckAYM5DA

    that 'older' phone has

    - a SIM card
    - an SD card
    - an easily removable battery

    ..all the features I would want but two of which
    my bleeding edge Flip5 has already been liberated
    from, and I've also read that physical (God forbid
    easily REMOVABLE) SIM cards are also set to become
    eSIM that cannot be removed.

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  • From bad sector@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sun Dec 3 08:59:47 2023
    On 12/3/23 8:53 AM, Andy Burns wrote:

    bad sector wrote:

    Samsung likely saw fit to mod the OS but not enough to write out the
    SD card that the phone doesn't even have.

    I don't know Samsungs very well, but thought they generally did have SD cards, I inherited one from my father and gave it away to a nephew ...

    My IT advisor told me to buy Motorola, maybe I shudda listened to him

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to bad sector on Sun Dec 3 13:53:22 2023
    bad sector wrote:

    Samsung likely saw fit to mod the OS but not enough to write out the
    SD card that the phone doesn't even have.

    I don't know Samsungs very well, but thought they generally did have SD
    cards, I inherited one from my father and gave it away to a nephew ...

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to bad sector on Sun Dec 3 16:08:19 2023
    bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:

    After having done next to nothing with my new
    phone the first backup to USB I did ended up
    as a 4gb SmartSwitchBackup2 folder tree. I just
    did a Factory Reset followed by another backup
    and this one is only 700mb. Is there any reference
    saying what size a Factory Reset backup should
    be? I'm at a loss trying to understand this huge
    difference.

    The normal backup includes everything you have selected (read: not unselected), which includes all media (photos, videos, music),
    documents, apps, app data, etc., etc.. Just look at the settings in the
    Smart Switch program (assuming with "backup to USB" you mean "backup via
    a USB connection to a (Windows?) computer").

    The backup after a Factory Reset contains none of this, because it has
    been wiped.

    Similarly, what's the difference between doing
    a Factory Reset or instead of that just a
    recovery from a previous backup made immediately
    after such a reset?

    It would leave the extra stuff on the phone, i.e. it would *not* be
    wiped.

    Finally are all the instances of Android OS the
    same on all android phones? The reason I'm asking
    is that my Flip5 tells me that it cannot find any
    external medium so I should plug in an SD card
    or a USB device even though this phone has no SD
    card port even (not to mention that all this
    time it's plugged into and being read by my
    computer with a path ready to accept the backup).

    It said to plug in an SD card *or* a USB device. The "USB device" is
    probably meant to be a USB *storage* device, i.e. a OTG USB memory-stick
    (or a regular USB memory stick via a OTG adapter). The USB connection to
    your computer is not a USB storage device but a USB connection to a
    computer.

    When you reply, specify which model phone you have (probably some
    Samsung as you mention Smart Switch).

    And in case you discuss the "Flip5", specify its brand, etc..

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sun Dec 3 21:42:47 2023
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote

    Plugging your phone into a PC can allow your PC to see [some of] the
    phone's storage, e.g. for copying photos, but it doesn't allow the phone
    to store files e.g. backups onto your PC.

    Just to add value to that statement, you can see almost all the phone's
    storage from the PC but you can only read some of it (e.g., you can copy
    the HOSTS file off of an unrooted Android but you can't write to it).

    My Samsung is unrootable & here is what I can see in the / partition.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/BvJdKWzt/webdav06.jpg> Both sdcards mounted

    Note the mounting of the external sd card & internal storage each as its
    own drive letter.

    I "think" there is some storage that is not visible but I can't see it.
    :)

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to bad sector on Sun Dec 3 21:49:46 2023
    bad sector <forgetski@invalid.net> wrote

    Samsung likely saw fit to mod the OS but not enough to write out the
    SD card that the phone doesn't even have.

    I don't know Samsungs very well, but thought they generally did have SD
    cards, I inherited one from my father and gave it away to a nephew ...

    My IT advisor told me to buy Motorola, maybe I shudda listened to him

    I have had five free Samsung Galaxy A32-5G phones from T-Mobile and _all_
    of them have sd slots, aux ports and FM radios. Alas, only my $140 LG Stylo
    3 Plus had the removable battery. My $100 Moto-G had no sd card slot.

    Personally, I'd never again buy a phone that doesn't have these things,
    as I format all my sd cards to the same volume name (0000-0001) which
    allows me to pop one out into another phone and it works perfectly.

    The apps that stored stuff on the sd card don't even know that it's a
    different sd card - it works that well in practice.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/yYWwgGmy/webdav12.jpg> As Windows drive letters

    And best of all, I don't use the USB cable all that much anymore
    because it's all done over Wi-Fi.

    Plus, my phone is almost feet tall and nine inches wide.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/wvsbcNBz/scrcpy05.jpg> Drag APK from Windows

    I operate it from Windows even if it's somewhere in the clothes room
    or in the kitchen as it doesn't matter where the phone is to use it.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/g2yNftw0/scrcpy15.jpg> Trick to pin batch shortcut

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Sun Dec 3 21:55:08 2023
    Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote

    The normal backup includes everything you have selected

    On that note alone, the OP should be apprised that the Nova free launcher
    saves the homescreen EXACTLY and allows you to re-create it EXACTLY on not
    only the same phone after a backup/restore, but on _any_ Android phone.

    I do it all the time.

    That EXACT homescreen backup isn't just the widgets, shortcuts & folders.
    It's also every app icon in every folder so it's pretty much everything.

    To repopulate the apps into the folders, you just slide them from Windows.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/wvsbcNBz/scrcpy05.jpg> Drag APK from Windows

    Although you could do it with a batch command using adb over Wi-Fi too.
    You can even do your entire system setup using adb over Wi-Fi if you like.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/d0dcz022/adb13.jpg> Adb using -a for wifi Intents
    <https://i.postimg.cc/sxn4F1WS/adb14.jpg> Wi-Fi Calling Activity

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  • From bad sector@21:1/5 to Wally J on Sun Dec 3 21:56:24 2023
    On 12/3/23 20:49, Wally J wrote:
    bad sector <forgetski@invalid.net> wrote

    Samsung likely saw fit to mod the OS but not enough to write out the
    SD card that the phone doesn't even have.

    I don't know Samsungs very well, but thought they generally did have SD
    cards, I inherited one from my father and gave it away to a nephew ...

    My IT advisor told me to buy Motorola, maybe I shudda listened to him

    I have had five free Samsung Galaxy A32-5G phones from T-Mobile and _all_
    of them have sd slots, aux ports and FM radios. Alas, only my $140 LG Stylo
    3 Plus had the removable battery. My $100 Moto-G had no sd card slot.

    Personally, I'd never again buy a phone that doesn't have these things,
    as I format all my sd cards to the same volume name (0000-0001) which
    allows me to pop one out into another phone and it works perfectly.

    The apps that stored stuff on the sd card don't even know that it's a different sd card - it works that well in practice.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/yYWwgGmy/webdav12.jpg> As Windows drive letters

    And best of all, I don't use the USB cable all that much anymore
    because it's all done over Wi-Fi.

    Plus, my phone is almost feet tall and nine inches wide.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/wvsbcNBz/scrcpy05.jpg> Drag APK from Windows

    I operate it from Windows even if it's somewhere in the clothes room
    or in the kitchen as it doesn't matter where the phone is to use it.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/g2yNftw0/scrcpy15.jpg> Trick to pin batch shortcut

    Thanks, the wifi method sounds cool but I'm not
    there yet in my digest-the-manual efforts :-)

    As for removable cards and battery they will
    become non-negotiable for my next phone, I
    can live without a smartphone very well.

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  • From bad sector@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Sun Dec 3 22:16:03 2023
    On 12/3/23 11:08, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:

    After having done next to nothing with my new
    phone the first backup to USB I did ended up
    as a 4gb SmartSwitchBackup2 folder tree. I just
    did a Factory Reset followed by another backup
    and this one is only 700mb. Is there any reference
    saying what size a Factory Reset backup should
    be? I'm at a loss trying to understand this huge
    difference.

    The normal backup includes everything you have selected (read: not unselected), which includes all media (photos, videos, music),
    documents, apps, app data, etc., etc.. Just look at the settings in the
    Smart Switch program (assuming with "backup to USB" you mean "backup via
    a USB connection to a (Windows?) computer").

    Well I probably selected "All" which I presume
    would include all items regardless of whether
    they were individually slected; this would not
    be the source of any such huge size difference
    though.


    The backup after a Factory Reset contains none of this, because it has
    been wiped.

    Most likely I only thought that I was still on a
    new phone when I did my first backup of 4gb. In
    the real world I might already have installed
    F-Droid and who knows what else. I'm going to
    ask the provider dealer to restore my phone to
    exactly what it was when they gave it to me and
    I will have my answer.


    Similarly, what's the difference between doing
    a Factory Reset or instead of that just a
    recovery from a previous backup made immediately
    after such a reset?

    It would leave the extra stuff on the phone, i.e. it would *not* be
    wiped.

    That is good info, thank you. I had thought more
    along the lines of an image file made with dd as
    opposed to this which sounds more like a 'copy'
    command, the different file sizes should have
    been a hint :-)


    Finally are all the instances of Android OS the
    same on all android phones? The reason I'm asking
    is that my Flip5 tells me that it cannot find any
    external medium so I should plug in an SD card
    or a USB device even though this phone has no SD
    card port even (not to mention that all this
    time it's plugged into and being read by my
    computer with a path ready to accept the backup).

    It said to plug in an SD card *or* a USB device. The "USB device" is
    probably meant to be a USB *storage* device, i.e. a OTG USB memory-stick
    (or a regular USB memory stick via a OTG adapter). The USB connection to
    your computer is not a USB storage device but a USB connection to a
    computer.

    When you reply, specify which model phone you have (probably some
    Samsung as you mention Smart Switch).

    And in case you discuss the "Flip5", specify its brand, etc..

    It's a Samsung Z Flip5G the other model
    name being SM-F731W (as shown @ Settings > About phone)

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to bad sector on Mon Dec 4 01:20:40 2023
    bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote

    In
    the real world I might already have installed
    F-Droid and who knows what else.

    F-Droid has been deprecated for a long time, as far as I know.

    Use F-Droid Basic instead. <https://f-droid.org/packages/org.fdroid.basic/>
    <https://f-droid.org/repo/org.fdroid.basic_1019000.apk>

    Also Aurora is far better than the Google Play Store in many ways.
    <https://auroraoss.com/>

    And App Finder is a great way to find apps on the Google Play Store repo.
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=scadica.aq>

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