that's another reason I use an FM radio instead of internet radio: I
refuse to register, login, and be counted to listen to the radio.
Internet Radio still lets a lot to be desired...
On 11/28/2023 2:55 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
that's another reason I use an FM radio instead of internet radio: I
refuse to register, login, and be counted to listen to the radio.
One advantage of logging in is that the app remembers my Favorites.
On 2023-11-28 23:56, AJL wrote:
On 11/28/2023 2:55 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
that's another reason I use an FM radio instead of internet radio: I
refuse to register, login, and be counted to listen to the radio.
One advantage of logging in is that the app remembers my Favorites.
Nope. Not login to the app, login to the station.
On 11/28/2023 4:08 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-11-28 23:56, AJL wrote:
On 11/28/2023 2:55 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
that's another reason I use an FM radio instead of internet
radio: I refuse to register, login, and be counted to listen
to the radio.
One advantage of logging in is that the app remembers my
Favorites.
Nope. Not login to the app, login to the station.
You must be using a browser then?
Internet Radio still lets a lot to be desired...
On 11/28/2023 4:16 PM, AJL wrote:
On 11/28/2023 4:08 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-11-28 23:56, AJL wrote:
On 11/28/2023 2:55 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
that's another reason I use an FM radio instead of internet
radio: I refuse to register, login, and be counted to listen
to the radio.
One advantage of logging in is that the app remembers my
Favorites.
Nope. Not login to the app, login to the station.
You must be using a browser then?
Just reread the original post. I've never had to log into a station once inside an app. Weird. So just ignore my post.
Internet Radio still lets a lot to be desired...
Shouldn't judge all of Internet Radio by one app/station...
Well, that's another reason I use an FM radio instead of internet radio:
I refuse to register, login, and be counted to listen to the radio.
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote
One advantage of logging in is that the app remembers my
Favorites.
I use the FOSS YouTube client, which doesn't need me to create an
account. And yet, it remembers my favorites.
Anyone who creates that account, is, IMHO, a sheep led to slaughter.
One advantage of logging in is that the app remembers my Favorites.
Hi,
Yesterday I had a look in Android Car at what apps there are available
in it, and I noticed "Radioline".
The available apps are a subset of those apps I have on the phone, and
now and then another one gets ported to Android Auto. I also noticed
"Kobo Books". Huh? A book reader on the car, while driving? There were
no books on it, though. There are some on my phone. Maybe it is intended
for audio books, of which I have none.
Ok, so I tried Radioline. I tried my favourite station, and it said
"login required".
WHAAAAT?
And the station did not play. Other stations played.
Well, that's another reason I use an FM radio instead of internet radio:
I refuse to register, login, and be counted to listen to the radio.
Other apps I have used recently do not say I have to login. But it is >possible that via login I might have access to the alternate audio
stream of that station.
I'll explain.
This instant, the FM and AM radios of this station are broadcasting some >fútbol match (European football). I hate that. But if I go to the
station web page there are two audio streams, the sports, or the normal >programming (politics reports). On the proprietary app of the station
you also get that choice. Not on the open source apps.
So I have now in my tablet Firefox running (with UBlock Origin) on that >station, playing the alternate audio stream (without UBO the station
page takes several minutes to load, slow as molasses). I can't do this
in Android Auto. I would have to stop the car on the side, open the
browser in the phone, and play the audio on the car speaker.
Internet Radio still lets a lot to be desired...
I use DAB in the car - keeps locked onto the station better than FM, at
least here in southern UK. AM? Is that still a thing in Europe?
On 29/11/2023 07:46, Dave Royal wrote:
I use DAB in the car - keeps locked onto the station better than FM, at
least here in southern UK. AM? Is that still a thing in Europe?
I use DAB too, in the same area as you. However, there seems to be a
move to DAB+ for some stations (such as Classic FM), which my 8 years
old car radio doesn't do. I guess that for some stations it'll have to
be a move to FM.
Is there a move to kill DAB? I bought a cheap Lidl Silvercrest radio
which said it was DAB+ (it is, and FM), but it doesn't do DAB itself! So
no BBC DAB national stations. I find it somewhat ironic that plain DAB
might be disappearing before FM does, if the recommendation is to change
to FM when a station moves from DAB to DAB+. :-)
Is there a move to kill DAB? I bought a cheap Lidl Silvercrest radio
which said it was DAB+ (it is, and FM), but it doesn't do DAB itself! So
no BBC DAB national stations. I find it somewhat ironic that plain DAB
might be disappearing before FM does, if the recommendation is to change
to FM when a station moves from DAB to DAB+. :-)
On 29 Nov 2023 08:18:37 +0000 Jeff Layman wrote:
On 29/11/2023 07:46, Dave Royal wrote:
I use DAB in the car - keeps locked onto the station better than FM, at
least here in southern UK. AM? Is that still a thing in Europe?
I use DAB too, in the same area as you. However, there seems to be a
move to DAB+ for some stations (such as Classic FM), which my 8 years
old car radio doesn't do. I guess that for some stations it'll have to
be a move to FM.
None of my house radios does DAB+, they're all >15 years old - one is >20.
I don't know whether my 4yo VW car does. The only DAB+ stations I've seen mentioned (on music forums) that I thought I might listen to were either pretty niche or local - I doubt if they were on FM. In all cases I could stream them.
But I just found that Jazz FM is now on DAB+ (here in Kent). The radio had previouly tuned it in, but now it won't play. Saves them money, and they
can get more of their stations on the multiplex.
On 2023-11-29 08:46, Dave Royal wrote:
On 28 Nov 2023 22:55:30 +0100 Carlos E. R. wrote:
And the station did not play. Other stations played.
Maybe the football rights were sold on a geographuc basis, so not streamed >> outside Spain.
But I am in Spain.
On 29 Nov 2023 11:42:27 +0100 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-11-29 08:46, Dave Royal wrote:
On 28 Nov 2023 22:55:30 +0100 Carlos E. R. wrote:
And the station did not play. Other stations played.
Maybe the football rights were sold on a geographuc basis, so not streamed >>> outside Spain.
But I am in Spain.
I assumed you were, but if they stream it on the internet it could be received outside Spain, so they don't stream it.
On 28 Nov 2023 22:55:30 +0100 Carlos E. R. wrote:
Hi,
Yesterday I had a look in Android Car at what apps there are available
in it, and I noticed "Radioline".
The available apps are a subset of those apps I have on the phone, and
now and then another one gets ported to Android Auto. I also noticed
"Kobo Books". Huh? A book reader on the car, while driving? There were
no books on it, though. There are some on my phone. Maybe it is intended
for audio books, of which I have none.
Ok, so I tried Radioline. I tried my favourite station, and it said
"login required".
WHAAAAT?
Probably a commercial arrangement: Radioline paid Google to get their app included.
And the station did not play. Other stations played.
Maybe the football rights were sold on a geographuc basis, so not streamed outside Spain.
Well, that's another reason I use an FM radio instead of internet radio:
I refuse to register, login, and be counted to listen to the radio.
Other apps I have used recently do not say I have to login. But it is
possible that via login I might have access to the alternate audio
stream of that station.
I'll explain.
This instant, the FM and AM radios of this station are broadcasting some
fútbol match (European football). I hate that. But if I go to the
station web page there are two audio streams, the sports, or the normal
programming (politics reports). On the proprietary app of the station
you also get that choice. Not on the open source apps.
So I have now in my tablet Firefox running (with UBlock Origin) on that
station, playing the alternate audio stream (without UBO the station
page takes several minutes to load, slow as molasses). I can't do this
in Android Auto. I would have to stop the car on the side, open the
browser in the phone, and play the audio on the car speaker.
Internet Radio still lets a lot to be desired...
You may be able to find the stream address and play it in a media player
such as VLC, or a browser. Try googling "<station-name> stream address".
e.g. BBC Radio 3:
<http://as-hls-ww-live.akamaized.net/pool_904/live/ww/bbc_radio_three/bbc_radio_three.isml/bbc_radio_three-audio%3d96000.norewind.m3u8>
One tap on a list of favourites and it plays.
You can also pull that file address - the m3u8 file - out of Firefox by
using the developer tools, network tab.
I use DAB in the car - keeps locked onto the station better than FM, at
least here in southern UK. AM? Is that still a thing in Europe?
On 29 Nov 2023 09:21:58 +0000 Jeff Layman wrote:
Is there a move to kill DAB? I bought a cheap Lidl Silvercrest radio
which said it was DAB+ (it is, and FM), but it doesn't do DAB itself! So
no BBC DAB national stations. I find it somewhat ironic that plain DAB
might be disappearing before FM does, if the recommendation is to change
to FM when a station moves from DAB to DAB+. :-)
I'm very surprised. I've not heard of a plan to discontinue DAB. hydrogenaudio is the place to ask.
Lidl sells stuff sourced in other countries, particularly Germany. Some counties may not broadcast vanilla DAB having introduced it later and
learned from the UK's experience - we suffer from first-mover disadvantage
;) Does Germany broadcast DAB or only DAB+?
Finally, I have to wait for a fútbol day to see if the 2nd stream is the
one I want, and problem finally solved.
Now, why VLC doesn't open it?
Wait, now it works!
vlc https://emisoras.cadenaser.com/CADENASER
That's wonderful :-)
I'll try that link on the phone now. [...] Yes, it works!
Next step, look at that page at a time they have the split program, newsI just managed to add both streams manually to app "Open Radio" on the
and fútbol :-)
It could be: <https://emisoras.cadenaser.com/CADENASER2>
which now is identical audio as the other one.
They do stream it.
OpenRadio app listens to it, no problem. Simple Radio app, no problem.
You can listen to it on Firefox, no problem.
The problem is listening to the alternate stream that is not futbol, no
app broadcasts it, except the station own app, which requires
registration. Firefox also listens to it.
And today I found the possible URL of that alternate stream, so that I
may be able to listen to it on the car with VLC.
On 29/11/2023 09:39, Dave Royal wrote:
On 29 Nov 2023 09:21:58 +0000 Jeff Layman wrote:
Is there a move to kill DAB? I bought a cheap Lidl Silvercrest radio
which said it was DAB+ (it is, and FM), but it doesn't do DAB itself! So >>> no BBC DAB national stations. I find it somewhat ironic that plain DAB
might be disappearing before FM does, if the recommendation is to change >>> to FM when a station moves from DAB to DAB+. :-)
I'm very surprised. I've not heard of a plan to discontinue DAB.
hydrogenaudio is the place to ask.
It was just a question, seeing that there seemed to be a move by some stations (at least) to move to from DAB to DAB+.
Lidl sells stuff sourced in other countries, particularly Germany. Some
counties may not broadcast vanilla DAB having introduced it later and
learned from the UK's experience - we suffer from first-mover
disadvantage
;) Does Germany broadcast DAB or only DAB+?
I could only find one station (WDR Event Regular Service) at <https://www.worlddab.org/countries/germany/multiplexes> which
broadcasts in DAB only. All the rest are DAB+. You could well be right
that Lidl sources the radios from Germany, so they're DAB+ only.
On 29 Nov 2023 12:12:26 +0100 Carlos E. R. wrote:
They do stream it.
OpenRadio app listens to it, no problem. Simple Radio app, no problem.
You can listen to it on Firefox, no problem.
The problem is listening to the alternate stream that is not futbol, no
app broadcasts it, except the station own app, which requires
registration. Firefox also listens to it.
And today I found the possible URL of that alternate stream, so that I
may be able to listen to it on the car with VLC.
Perhaps the streaming service checks your IP.
On 29 Nov 2023 15:05:19 +0100 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-11-29 13:37, Dave Royal wrote:
On 29 Nov 2023 12:12:26 +0100 Carlos E. R. wrote:
They do stream it.
OpenRadio app listens to it, no problem. Simple Radio app, no problem. >>>> You can listen to it on Firefox, no problem.
The problem is listening to the alternate stream that is not futbol, no >>>> app broadcasts it, except the station own app, which requires
registration. Firefox also listens to it.
And today I found the possible URL of that alternate stream, so that I >>>> may be able to listen to it on the car with VLC.
Perhaps the streaming service checks your IP.
You can try yourself the urls:
vlc https://emisoras.cadenaser.com/CADENASER
vlc https://emisoras.cadenaser.com/CADENASER2
Those play fine. They appear to be the same program. Let me know if one of them broadcasts football.
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
Well, that's another reason I use an FM radio instead of internet radio:
I refuse to register, login, and be counted to listen to the radio.
As well you should, as anyone who creates a login and logs into an account
to do something that does not need that account, is a sheep led to
slaughter (IMHO).
There are very few (almost none) app functionalities that need an account.
While some things need an account (e.g., mail, banking, medical record lookups, cloud storage, etc.,) most things do not need an account.
Even the Android phone doesn't need an account.
It works just fine without it.
What types of functionality _requires_ an account anyway?
On 2023-11-29 13:37, Dave Royal wrote:
On 29 Nov 2023 12:12:26 +0100 Carlos E. R. wrote:
They do stream it.
OpenRadio app listens to it, no problem. Simple Radio app, no problem.
You can listen to it on Firefox, no problem.
The problem is listening to the alternate stream that is not futbol, no
app broadcasts it, except the station own app, which requires
registration. Firefox also listens to it.
And today I found the possible URL of that alternate stream, so that I
may be able to listen to it on the car with VLC.
Perhaps the streaming service checks your IP.
You can try yourself the urls:
vlc https://emisoras.cadenaser.com/CADENASER
vlc https://emisoras.cadenaser.com/CADENASER2
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote
What types of functionality _requires_ an account anyway?
Messaging, Inventory, saving your settings, keeping track of progress.
Thanks for that information where I would truly love to know what apps absolutely require an account since I can barely think of any that do.
BTW, we haven't spoken for a while, so at the end of this message are some screenshots I just made today for another thread, but which you asked for.
Back to your point about what types of functionality require an account,
I can only think of a few that require it, one of which is email.
But notice there is email... and there is the mail user agent (MUA), where only the Google MUA _requires_ the Google Account on the phone itself. And even then, only on Android phones (not on iPhones)... my point being there are ways around these requirements (like use a different MUA than "GMail").
You mentioned "messaging", where _some_ messaging platforms do require an account (because they use a central server), such as Google Voice, Apple's Messages app (which uses an iMessage server), WhatsApp, FaceBook,
Talkatone, etc.
But the _main_ messaging app on Android (for SMS/MMS) does not (as far as I know but I don't know if RCS changes that equation).
That means I don't need an "account" to log into but of course, the phone itself is tied to an account on T-Mobile (or Verizon, AT&T, etc.). The MMS/SMS "messaging" app goes through them, but there isn't a login, per se.
As for "Inventory, saving your settings, keeping track of progress", why can't you store that stuff locally on the phone itself?
Note that almost everything that "says" it needs an account... doesn't.
---< here are screenshots I had promised you a while ago >---
<https://i.postimg.cc/7P7NCctS/locked-01.jpg> AppleID is locked by Apple
<https://i.postimg.cc/4dHQQFfk/locked-02.jpg> Password was always good
<https://i.postimg.cc/vTdfLY2f/locked-03.jpg> Apple wants a gov license!!!
<https://i.postimg.cc/rpmJKw7p/locked-04.jpg> Then, iCloud works again
<https://i.postimg.cc/rwyGPpV9/locked-05.jpg> Then, Messages works again
---< Above and below it shows Apple requires periodic log in & ID >---
<https://i.postimg.cc/9fPjQpr3/nag01.jpg> 3 iOS nag items
<https://i.postimg.cc/wxwgN0Fg/nag02.jpg> 2 iOS nag items
<https://i.postimg.cc/3NVqB4dC/nag03.jpg> 1 iOS nag item (permanent)
I forget what thread I need to append those to (but the iKooks, who are
all incredibly ignorant) don't know the first thing of how Apple works.
What types of functionality _requires_ an account anyway?
Messaging, Inventory, saving your settings, keeping track of progress.
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote
What types of functionality _requires_ an account anyway?
Messaging, Inventory, saving your settings, keeping track of progress.
Thanks for that information where I would truly love to know what apps absolutely require an account since I can barely think of any that do.
BTW, we haven't spoken for a while, so at the end of this message are some screenshots I just made today for another thread, but which you asked for.
Back to your point about what types of functionality require an account,
I can only think of a few that require it, one of which is email.
But notice there is email... and there is the mail user agent (MUA), where only the Google MUA _requires_ the Google Account on the phone itself. And even then, only on Android phones (not on iPhones)... my point being there are ways around these requirements (like use a different MUA than "GMail").
You mentioned "messaging", where _some_ messaging platforms do require an account (because they use a central server), such as Google Voice, Apple's Messages app (which uses an iMessage server), WhatsApp, FaceBook,
Talkatone, etc.
But the _main_ messaging app on Android (for SMS/MMS) does not (as far as I know but I don't know if RCS changes that equation).
That means I don't need an "account" to log into but of course, the phone itself is tied to an account on T-Mobile (or Verizon, AT&T, etc.). The MMS/SMS "messaging" app goes through them, but there isn't a login, per se.
As for "Inventory, saving your settings, keeping track of progress", why can't you store that stuff locally on the phone itself?
What types of functionality _requires_ an account anyway?
Messaging, Inventory, saving your settings, keeping track of progress.
At least those are the main stuff I see accounts used for.
oh and of course buying stuff for it
On 29 Nov 2023 15:05:19 +0100 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-11-29 13:37, Dave Royal wrote:
On 29 Nov 2023 12:12:26 +0100 Carlos E. R. wrote:
They do stream it.
OpenRadio app listens to it, no problem. Simple Radio app, no problem. >>>> You can listen to it on Firefox, no problem.
The problem is listening to the alternate stream that is not futbol, no >>>> app broadcasts it, except the station own app, which requires
registration. Firefox also listens to it.
And today I found the possible URL of that alternate stream, so that I >>>> may be able to listen to it on the car with VLC.
Perhaps the streaming service checks your IP.
You can try yourself the urls:
vlc https://emisoras.cadenaser.com/CADENASER
vlc https://emisoras.cadenaser.com/CADENASER2
Those play fine. They appear to be the same program. Let me know if one of >them broadcasts football.
But the _main_ messaging app on Android (for SMS/MMS) does not (as far as I >> know but I don't know if RCS changes that equation).
No.
There is no need, the app only gets the messages sent by the provider to
that phone number. There is a password, mind: the SIM card PIN number
(ok, it can be blanked).
Things change when you want to read/write messages on the computer; they
can use an authorization by taking a photo with the phone of a dot
pattern on the computer, but if the computer has independent access, it
needs a login/pass.
That means I don't need an "account" to log into but of course, the phone
itself is tied to an account on T-Mobile (or Verizon, AT&T, etc.). The
MMS/SMS "messaging" app goes through them, but there isn't a login, per se.
There is a login, only that you don't notice it.
As for "Inventory, saving your settings, keeping track of progress", why
can't you store that stuff locally on the phone itself?
Of course you can, but the point is "across devices".
In the case of "radio apps" you get the same list of favourites or saved stations on your different phones, "automatically".
Those things can be, theoretically be saved on google servers (google
drive) with a google account (I don't know the requirements), or at some server of the application provider.
And it can be absolutely innocent. You save your configuration/status,
and they never ever have a peek at it or use it for anything at all. It
is just some feature that in many apps is optional.
Some developers only want to know how many people use the feature, or
how many subscribe per month. Ie, statistics of some sort.
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
But the _main_ messaging app on Android (for SMS/MMS) does not (as far as I >>> know but I don't know if RCS changes that equation).
No.
There is no need, the app only gets the messages sent by the provider to
that phone number. There is a password, mind: the SIM card PIN number
(ok, it can be blanked).
Thanks for clarifying that RCS doesn't add any extra account requirement.
Things change when you want to read/write messages on the computer; they
can use an authorization by taking a photo with the phone of a dot
pattern on the computer, but if the computer has independent access, it
needs a login/pass.
I use a computer all the time to manage my Android phone, and all I have to do is accept the "trust challenge" which takes on a variety of forms.
<https://i.postimg.cc/ZK9B82gP/adb15.jpg> adb pair [IP][Port] [code]
<https://i.postimg.cc/SRRXtvKh/adb16.jpg> Android 12 Wireless Pairing
<https://i.postimg.cc/CLWZmJT3/adb17.jpg> Allow wireless debugging
There's no need to "log into" any account to "manage" my phone on a PC.
Hell, I can install and delete apps and modify settings, and everything.
<https://i.postimg.cc/wvsbcNBz/scrcpy05.jpg> Drag APK from Windows
Since none of that needs an account to be created, I have to wonder what on earth on an Android phone truly "requires" an account to be created.
Of course, billions of apps _want_ an account - but that's a completely different question of wanting you to create one versus actually needing it.
That means I don't need an "account" to log into but of course, the phone >>> itself is tied to an account on T-Mobile (or Verizon, AT&T, etc.). TheThere is a login, only that you don't notice it.
MMS/SMS "messaging" app goes through them, but there isn't a login, per se. >>
Yes. Let's not get picky (we'll leave that to the iPhone people to play
those games). Suffice to say nobody is getting cellular service for free,
and everyone who is getting it has an account of some format.
Although it's created with the credit card, in my case anyway, and there's
no login (although if I wanted to get billing paperless their would be).
As for "Inventory, saving your settings, keeping track of progress", why >>> can't you store that stuff locally on the phone itself?
Of course you can, but the point is "across devices".
Hmmm... true. But not really. If you're good at computers, you can sync to your own computers. Why do you need to sync to someone else's computer?
My problem with OwnCloud is that it really doesn't run on Windows.
So I'd have to set up a desktop as a Linux server to use it fruitfully.
In the case of "radio apps" you get the same list of favourites or saved
stations on your different phones, "automatically".
Those things can be, theoretically be saved on google servers (google
drive) with a google account (I don't know the requirements), or at some
server of the application provider.
I haven't set up my own server, but the way I'd approach that problem set,
if I wanted to implement it, would be to set up my router on the net.
Then I could use my own router as the OwnCloud server and accomplish what you're seeking. As always, it takes intelligence & effort to maintain privacy. I haven't expended that effort. But that's how I'd do it if I did.
And it can be absolutely innocent. You save your configuration/status,
and they never ever have a peek at it or use it for anything at all. It
is just some feature that in many apps is optional.
Some developers only want to know how many people use the feature, or
how many subscribe per month. Ie, statistics of some sort.
Understood that the account need can be innocent - but - you know as well
as I do that plenty of things ask for an account that don't really need it.
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote
What types of functionality _requires_ an account anyway?
Messaging, Inventory, saving your settings, keeping track of progress.
At least those are the main stuff I see accounts used for.
oh and of course buying stuff for it
The only things that need accounts are stuff that requires data on the
cloud, or compute power on the cloud - but they're few & far between.
SMS/MMS messaging, as far as I know, does not require creating an account
to log into on the phone (although, of course, it requires a carrier SIM).
Certainly all the messaging that goes through servers requires an account, such as Apple's Messages, Facebook's WhatsApp, Google Voice, etc.
Inventory? Why can't inventory be stored on the phone?
Settings saved? What's wrong with saving them to the phone?
Progress? Again, what's wrong with saving them to the phone.
On 29 Nov 2023 16:00:35 -0000 (UTC) Dave Royal wrote:
On 29 Nov 2023 15:05:19 +0100 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-11-29 13:37, Dave Royal wrote:
On 29 Nov 2023 12:12:26 +0100 Carlos E. R. wrote:
They do stream it.
OpenRadio app listens to it, no problem. Simple Radio app, no problem. >>>>> You can listen to it on Firefox, no problem.
The problem is listening to the alternate stream that is not futbol, no >>>>> app broadcasts it, except the station own app, which requires
registration. Firefox also listens to it.
And today I found the possible URL of that alternate stream, so that I >>>>> may be able to listen to it on the car with VLC.
Perhaps the streaming service checks your IP.
You can try yourself the urls:
vlc https://emisoras.cadenaser.com/CADENASER
vlc https://emisoras.cadenaser.com/CADENASER2
Those play fine. They appear to be the same program. Let me know if one of >> them broadcasts football.
They're both broadcasting football ATM. I heard 'sevilla' and 'Ramos'.
We already said this. We have said this years ago, yet you keep
hammering at it.
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
| Internet Radio still lets a lot to be desired...
|
I would nominate an alternate solution: I replaced
my car radio with a small storage cabinet that I made
to fit the opening. I don't have a computer in the car
and don't turn on my cellphone most of the time...
Very peaceful, and no logins. :)
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
We already said this. We have said this years ago, yet you keep
hammering at it.
We never "hammered" this question, which is what _requires_ an account, by its very nature (an account being a login/password on an Internet server).
Email is one example.
Radio is not.
The list of what requires an account by its very nature is extremely short.
On 11/29/23 07:45, Newyana2 wrote:
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
| Internet Radio still lets a lot to be desired...
|
  I would nominate an alternate solution: I replaced
my car radio with a small storage cabinet that I made
to fit the opening. I don't have a computer in the car
and don't turn on my cellphone most of the time...
Very peaceful, and no logins. :)
Is it an older car? Most current cars have a built in screen instead of
a solo radio, which would be hard/impossible to remove and would
probably destroy something.
"candycanearter07" <no@thanks.net> wrote
| > I would nominate an alternate solution: I replaced
| > my car radio with a small storage cabinet that I made
| > to fit the opening. I don't have a computer in the car
| > and don't turn on my cellphone most of the time...
| > Very peaceful, and no logins. :)
|
| Is it an older car? Most current cars have a built in screen instead of
| a solo radio, which would be hard/impossible to remove and would
| probably destroy something.
It had a screen but that didn't do much other
than control the radio. What I removed was basically
a big, blocky radio and CD player. I think I got in under
the wire. All it took was a few screws and pulling some
plugs to give me extra real estate in the dashboard.
I expect you're right about newer cars. You can
probably unplug the screen box, but if you're controlling
things like heat on a touchpad screen then you'd lose
critical functionality.
I'm hoping that I won't need to buy a new car.
The spying. The superfluous complexity. The extra
nags. I hate to think of how expensive repairs are
going to be. For example, the $42K repair for a
Rivian bumper:
https://www.theautopian.com/heres-why-that-rivian-r1t-repair-cost-42000-after-just-a-minor-fender-bender/
And how long will the sensors and computer chips
be available? I'm hoping that if I ever need another car
it will be after this Rube Goldberg mania and it won't
have a massager in the arm rest or a built-in, bossy
lady telling me that I'm not driving the proper route
to my destination. :)
The list of what requires an account by its very nature is extremely short.
No, it isn't.
"candycanearter07" <no@thanks.net> wrote
| > And how long will the sensors and computer chips
| > be available? I'm hoping that if I ever need another car
| > it will be after this Rube Goldberg mania and it won't
| > have a massager in the arm rest or a built-in, bossy
| > lady telling me that I'm not driving the proper route
| > to my destination. :)
|
| Most industries seem to be going that way, not just cars.
Yes. Many people want those features. I once knew a
developer of the Android OS who told me that his dream was
to have a cellphone tht would tell him what to do, so that
he wouldn't have to relate to such things as running
out of milk and bread. Those are the people designing these
devices. And much of the public wants the pizzazz.
On 11/30/23 7:17 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 11/30/23 08:40, Newyana2 wrote:
"candycanearter07" <no@thanks.net> wrote
| >Â Â Â I would nominate an alternate solution: I replaced
| > my car radio with a small storage cabinet that I made
| > to fit the opening. I don't have a computer in the car
| > and don't turn on my cellphone most of the time...
| > Very peaceful, and no logins. :)
|
| Is it an older car? Most current cars have a built in screen
instead of
| a solo radio, which would be hard/impossible to remove and would
| probably destroy something.
   It had a screen but that didn't do much other
than control the radio. What I removed was basically
a big, blocky radio and CD player. I think I got in under
the wire. All it took was a few screws and pulling some
plugs to give me extra real estate in the dashboard.
  I expect you're right about newer cars. You can
probably unplug the screen box, but if you're controlling
things like heat on a touchpad screen then you'd lose
critical functionality.
  I'm hoping that I won't need to buy a new car.
The spying. The superfluous complexity. The extra
nags. I hate to think of how expensive repairs are
going to be. For example, the $42K repair for a
Rivian bumper:
https://www.theautopian.com/heres-why-that-rivian-r1t-repair-cost-42000-after-just-a-minor-fender-bender/
  And how long will the sensors and computer chips
be available? I'm hoping that if I ever need another car
it will be after this Rube Goldberg mania and it won't
have a massager in the arm rest or a built-in, bossy
lady telling me that I'm not driving the proper route
to my destination. :)
Most industries seem to be going that way, not just cars.
The dumbing down of the world, especially the US. How are we going to produce enough smart people to keep it running?
On 12/1/23 2:28 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-12-01 05:27, The Real Bev wrote:...
On 11/30/23 7:17 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 11/30/23 08:40, Newyana2 wrote:
  And how long will the sensors and computer chips
be available? I'm hoping that if I ever need another car
it will be after this Rube Goldberg mania and it won't
have a massager in the arm rest or a built-in, bossy
lady telling me that I'm not driving the proper route
to my destination. :)
Most industries seem to be going that way, not just cars.
The dumbing down of the world, especially the US. How are we going
to produce enough smart people to keep it running?
By importing them, as always :-D
From Mars?
On 12/1/23 10:49 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-12-01 17:32, The Real Bev wrote:
On 12/1/23 2:28 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-12-01 05:27, The Real Bev wrote:...
On 11/30/23 7:17 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 11/30/23 08:40, Newyana2 wrote:
  And how long will the sensors and computer chips
be available? I'm hoping that if I ever need another car
it will be after this Rube Goldberg mania and it won't
have a massager in the arm rest or a built-in, bossy
lady telling me that I'm not driving the proper route
to my destination. :)
Most industries seem to be going that way, not just cars.
The dumbing down of the world, especially the US. How are we going >>>>> to produce enough smart people to keep it running?
By importing them, as always :-D
 From Mars?
Einstein was from Europe, to name just one.
A few others, of course. No big names...
Many current scientists and engineers come from Asia.
Given the spread of American junk food and "music", how far behind can
our educational system be?
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