Is there a tablet with a phone SIM card?
I know there are tablets with data SIM cards but I am looking for a
Christmas gift for someone with bad eyes. Either operating system.
Does anyone sell a tablet with a phone SIM card slot?
(Verizon USA)
Is there a tablet with a phone SIM card?
I know there are tablets with data SIM cards but I am looking for a
Christmas gift for someone with bad eyes. Either operating system.
Does anyone sell a tablet with a phone SIM card slot?
(Verizon USA)
On 27.11.23 06:11, david wrote:
Is there a tablet with a phone SIM card?
I know there are tablets with data SIM cards but I am looking for a
Christmas gift for someone with bad eyes. Either operating system.
Does anyone sell a tablet with a phone SIM card slot?
(Verizon USA)
https://schlepptop.net/tablet-mit-telefonfunktion#welchestablet
On 26 Nov 2023 22:11:27 -0700 david wrote:
Is there a tablet with a phone SIM card?
I know there are tablets with data SIM cards but I am looking for a >>Christmas gift for someone with bad eyes. Either operating system.
Does anyone sell a tablet with a phone SIM card slot?
(Verizon USA)
A tablet with a SIM slot which is aimed at data will usually work with a >'phone SIM' - for data.
What I think you mean is can you make a phone call with it? Which requires >(a) the device to be capable of making/receiving phone calls and (b) the >mobile operator to allow it.
I think the answer to (a) is generally no, but I think people have done
it. And by definition: if you can phone with it, it's a phone! (Or a >'phablet').
On 26 Nov 2023 22:11:27 -0700 david wrote:
Is there a tablet with a phone SIM card?
I know there are tablets with data SIM cards but I am looking for a
Christmas gift for someone with bad eyes. Either operating system.
Does anyone sell a tablet with a phone SIM card slot?
(Verizon USA)
A tablet with a SIM slot which is aimed at data will usually work with a 'phone SIM' - for data.
What I think you mean is can you make a phone call with it? Which requires (a) the device to be capable of making/receiving phone calls and (b) the mobile operator to allow it.
I think the answer to (a) is generally no, but I think people have done
it. And by definition: if you can phone with it, it's a phone! (Or a 'phablet').
On 27.11.23 09:44, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 27.11.23 06:11, david wrote:
Is there a tablet with a phone SIM card?
I know there are tablets with data SIM cards but I am looking for a
Christmas gift for someone with bad eyes. Either operating system.
Does anyone sell a tablet with a phone SIM card slot?
(Verizon USA)
https://schlepptop.net/tablet-mit-telefonfunktion#welchestablet
BTW: It is quite easy to make phone calls to regular landlines or
mobiles on any tablet by using Skype (or other providers) even without a SIM-card.
On 2023-11-27 10:11, Dave Royal wrote:
On 26 Nov 2023 22:11:27 -0700 david wrote:
Is there a tablet with a phone SIM card?
I know there are tablets with data SIM cards but I am looking for a
Christmas gift for someone with bad eyes. Either operating system.
Does anyone sell a tablet with a phone SIM card slot?
(Verizon USA)
A tablet with a SIM slot which is aimed at data will usually work with a
'phone SIM' - for data.
What I think you mean is can you make a phone call with it? Which requires >> (a) the device to be capable of making/receiving phone calls and (b) the
mobile operator to allow it.
The mobile operator has no say on the matter.
On 27 Nov 2023 11:50:56 +0100 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-11-27 10:11, Dave Royal wrote:
On 26 Nov 2023 22:11:27 -0700 david wrote:
Is there a tablet with a phone SIM card?
I know there are tablets with data SIM cards but I am looking for a
Christmas gift for someone with bad eyes. Either operating system.
Does anyone sell a tablet with a phone SIM card slot?
(Verizon USA)
A tablet with a SIM slot which is aimed at data will usually work with a >>> 'phone SIM' - for data.
What I think you mean is can you make a phone call with it? Which requires >>> (a) the device to be capable of making/receiving phone calls and (b) the >>> mobile operator to allow it.
The mobile operator has no say on the matter.
They can do. I had a 3-mobile UK payg SIM in a phone which I also used for data - I think it was in a Nokia phone tethered to my Maemo tablet. I got
a 3g Nexus 7 tablet and it wouldn't work - message said it was only for
use in phones. 3-mobile sold a 'data' SIM for these newfangled tablets - which did not do phone calls. (My wife got one for her first iPad - it
still works.) So the operator could tell what device it was in and allow/block accordingly.
It was some years ago, and data is more common and cheaper now, but I'm
sure they could still do it - for commercial reasons.
While that is true, it's not quite the same as having regular phone service
- eg can't make emergency calls, might not work so well in areas of low signal, the app needs to be always connected to receive calls. Also, such apps may not handle SMS and MMS.
Going for a tablet with regular LTE/5G voice is a much simpler prospect,
IMO.
On 2023-11-27 10:11, Dave Royal wrote:
On 26 Nov 2023 22:11:27 -0700 david wrote:
Is there a tablet with a phone SIM card?
I know there are tablets with data SIM cards but I am looking for a
Christmas gift for someone with bad eyes. Either operating system.
Does anyone sell a tablet with a phone SIM card slot?
(Verizon USA)
A tablet with a SIM slot which is aimed at data will usually work with a
'phone SIM' - for data.
What I think you mean is can you make a phone call with it? Which requires >> (a) the device to be capable of making/receiving phone calls and (b) the
mobile operator to allow it.
The mobile operator has no say on the matter.
Is there a tablet with a phone SIM card?
I know there are tablets with data SIM cards but I am looking for a
Christmas gift for someone with bad eyes. Either operating system.
Does anyone sell a tablet with a phone SIM card slot?
(Verizon USA)
Am 27.11.23 um 12:38 schrieb Theo:
While that is true, it's not quite the same as having regular phone
service
- eg can't make emergency calls, might not work so well in areas of low
signal, the app needs to be always connected to receive calls. Also,
such
apps may not handle SMS and MMS.
Going for a tablet with regular LTE/5G voice is a much simpler prospect,
IMO.
Good arguments. Depends on priority and readiness to spend money. A new tablet and a regular service cost every month. If this person with a
reduced vision remains basically at home and has a reasonable wireless network the solution can be much simpler. Nevertheless I would not
recommend Skype as sole connection to the world for a handicapped person.
Is there a tablet with a phone SIM card?
I know there are tablets with data SIM cards but I am looking for a
Christmas gift for someone with bad eyes. Either operating system.
Does anyone sell a tablet with a phone SIM card slot?
(Verizon USA)
That was because the tablet wanted only data. I'm talking of tablets
that do full phone service.
Is there a tablet with a phone SIM card?
I know there are tablets with data SIM cards but I am looking for a
Christmas gift for someone with bad eyes. Either operating system.
Does anyone sell a tablet with a phone SIM card slot?
(Verizon USA)
Unfortunately, Verizon will not activate service on one of the Android tablets that does have built-in LTE capability and that supports phone
calls. I have one such tablet (Hyundai).
Even if you moved an activated SIM card from a phone into an LTE tablet
with phone support, and it worked, Verizon would eventually realize that
the device's IMEI is not from a device that they support and they would
cut off service. Probably the same situation for AT&T. An AT&T or
Verizon MVNO might be less strict than Verizon itself, especially a
virtual carrier like MobileX, since Verizon might never actually see the
IMEI of the device.
An iPad/iPhone combination might be the best option. If you have a Wi-Fi iPad, and an iPhone on Verizon, you can make phone calls from the iPad
and it's pretty seamless. You can get an iPhone SE2022 for under $200
then use any Wi-Fi iPad.
If she could tolerate T-Mobile service, they are much less strict about devices. In my area that would not be an option because of the T-Mobile coverage issues but in some areas T-Mobile works acceptably well.
Using <news:uk3j7k$gfb$1@dont-email.me>, sms wrote:
Unfortunately, Verizon will not activate service on one of the Android
tablets that does have built-in LTE capability and that supports phone
calls. I have one such tablet (Hyundai).
She already has a SIM card on an iPhone 14 activated by Verizon.
If I get her a "phone" tablet, can the SIM work without re-activation?
Even if you moved an activated SIM card from a phone into an LTE tablet
with phone support, and it worked, Verizon would eventually realize
that the device's IMEI is not from a device that they support and they
would cut off service. Probably the same situation for AT&T. An AT&T or
Verizon MVNO might be less strict than Verizon itself, especially a
virtual carrier like MobileX, since Verizon might never actually see
the IMEI of the device.
An iPad/iPhone combination might be the best option. If you have a
Wi-Fi iPad, and an iPhone on Verizon, you can make phone calls from the
iPad and it's pretty seamless. You can get an iPhone SE2022 for under
$200 then use any Wi-Fi iPad.
Does the iPad have a "dialer" that uses the iPhone somehow?
If she could tolerate T-Mobile service, they are much less strict about
devices. In my area that would not be an option because of the T-Mobile
coverage issues but in some areas T-Mobile works acceptably well.
I can't ask her to switch as she is very happy with Verizon cell service.
On 2023-11-28 03:46:48 +0000, david said:
Using <news:uk3j7k$gfb$1@dont-email.me>, sms wrote:
Unfortunately, Verizon will not activate service on one of the Android
tablets that does have built-in LTE capability and that supports phone
calls. I have one such tablet (Hyundai).
She already has a SIM card on an iPhone 14 activated by Verizon.
If I get her a "phone" tablet, can the SIM work without re-activation?
A SIM card can go into pretty much anything, but it's up to the SIM
type, the telecom company, and the device manufacturer / operating
system maker as to what can be done with it.
If the Sim comes from a phone, putting it into an iPad will not make
the iPad work as a phone. To make phone calls from an iPad, you need to
pair it with an iPhone (with it's own SIM) on the same wi-fi network -
even then, some telecoms comanies don't allow that either (similar to
how they don't allow hotspotting for data).
Even if you moved an activated SIM card from a phone into an LTE tablet
with phone support, and it worked, Verizon would eventually realize
that the device's IMEI is not from a device that they support and they
would cut off service. Probably the same situation for AT&T. An AT&T or
Verizon MVNO might be less strict than Verizon itself, especially a
virtual carrier like MobileX, since Verizon might never actually see
the IMEI of the device.
An iPad/iPhone combination might be the best option. If you have a
Wi-Fi iPad, and an iPhone on Verizon, you can make phone calls from the
iPad and it's pretty seamless. You can get an iPhone SE2022 for under
$200 then use any Wi-Fi iPad.
Does the iPad have a "dialer" that uses the iPhone somehow?
Once paired with an iPhone on the same wi-fi network, the iPhone does
all the calling work and the iPad is simply a bigger-screened remote
terminal for it. There is no dialer app on the iPad, you just tap on a
phone number in your Contacts address book or elsewhere. I don't know
how easy it is to use once set-up though.
Make and receive phone calls on iPad
<https://support.apple.com/guide/ipad/make-and-receive-phone-calls-ipadf97892b2/ipados>
There are various third-party "dialer" apps on the App Store, but I've
never even looked at them, so can't say if they're any good or work
like the iPhone's dialer. (Some may well be proprietary systems that
require a paid account to make phone calls via their own system.)
On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 13:03:50 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
That was because the tablet wanted only data. I'm talking of tablets
that do full phone service.
https://mynexttablet.com/best-lte-tablets/
That says some iPads can do 5G & LTE.
Isn't that "5G" & "LTE" for the phone SIM or is that only for a data SIM?
On 11/26/2023 9:11 PM, david wrote:
Is there a tablet with a phone SIM card?
I know there are tablets with data SIM cards but I am looking for a Christmas gift for someone with bad eyes. Either operating system.
Does anyone sell a tablet with a phone SIM card slot?
(Verizon USA)
Unfortunately, Verizon will not activate service on one of the Android tablets that does have built-in LTE capability and that supports phone
calls. I have one such tablet (Hyundai).
Even if you moved an activated SIM card from a phone into an LTE tablet
with phone support, and it worked, Verizon would eventually realize that
the device's IMEI is not from a device that they support and they would
cut off service. Probably the same situation for AT&T. An AT&T or
Verizon MVNO might be less strict than Verizon itself, especially a
virtual carrier like MobileX, since Verizon might never actually see the
IMEI of the device.
An iPad/iPhone combination might be the best option. If you have a Wi-Fi iPad, and an iPhone on Verizon, you can make phone calls from the iPad
and it's pretty seamless. You can get an iPhone SE2022 for under $200
then use any Wi-Fi iPad.
If she could tolerate T-Mobile service, they are much less strict about devices. In my area that would not be an option because of the T-Mobile coverage issues but in some areas T-Mobile works acceptably well.
Using <news:uk3j7k$gfb$1@dont-email.me>, sms wrote:
Unfortunately, Verizon will not activate service on one of the Android
tablets that does have built-in LTE capability and that supports phone
calls. I have one such tablet (Hyundai).
She already has a SIM card on an iPhone 14 activated by Verizon.
If I get her a "phone" tablet, can the SIM work without re-activation?
You mean I can use my TV provider for my current Philips TV, but can't buy/use a new Samsung because my TV provider 'doesn't support that
device'?
On 11/27/2023 7:46 PM, david wrote:
Using <news:uk3j7k$gfb$1@dont-email.me>, sms wrote:
Unfortunately, Verizon will not activate service on one of the
Android tablets that does have built-in LTE capability and that
supports phone calls. I have one such tablet (Hyundai).
She already has a SIM card on an iPhone 14 activated by Verizon.
If I get her a "phone" tablet, can the SIM work without re-activation?
It is not guaranteed. While it would likely work initially, when Verizon eventually sees that their SIM card is active on a device with an IMEI
that is not on their approved list, they would stop service. They do
check this because they don't want customers putting a SIM card into a hotspot and using unlimited data on the hotspot. Some hotspot users will change the IMEI of their hotspot to that of a "donor phone" to get
around this but I doubt that this is possible to do on a tablet.
On 2023-11-28 18:05, sms wrote:
On 11/27/2023 7:46 PM, david wrote:
Using <news:uk3j7k$gfb$1@dont-email.me>, sms wrote:
Unfortunately, Verizon will not activate service on one of the Android >>>> tablets that does have built-in LTE capability and that supports phone >>>> calls. I have one such tablet (Hyundai).
She already has a SIM card on an iPhone 14 activated by Verizon.
If I get her a "phone" tablet, can the SIM work without re-activation?
It is not guaranteed. While it would likely work initially, when
Verizon eventually sees that their SIM card is active on a device with
an IMEI that is not on their approved list, they would stop service.
They do check this because they don't want customers putting a SIM card
into a hotspot and using unlimited data on the hotspot. Some hotspot
users will change the IMEI of their hotspot to that of a "donor phone"
to get around this but I doubt that this is possible to do on a tablet.
Gosh.
Some providers here even sell themselves routers with SIMs, on
batteries, intended for going on vacation. I have one such SIM, I pay
9€ a month (and not all months). And the router I bought separately,
from a computer seller, because I did not consider the ISP router good enough. Pity it is 4G only.
They don't care at all. I think the SIM has now 50 gigs/month.
Funny info: that router even does SMS. I did not have to use a phone
for activation, ever.
On 2023-11-28 19:49:58 +0000, Carlos E. R. said:
On 2023-11-28 18:05, sms wrote:
On 11/27/2023 7:46 PM, david wrote:
Using <news:uk3j7k$gfb$1@dont-email.me>, sms wrote:
Unfortunately, Verizon will not activate service on one of the
Android tablets that does have built-in LTE capability and that
supports phone calls. I have one such tablet (Hyundai).
She already has a SIM card on an iPhone 14 activated by Verizon.
If I get her a "phone" tablet, can the SIM work without re-activation?
It is not guaranteed. While it would likely work initially, when
Verizon eventually sees that their SIM card is active on a device
with an IMEI that is not on their approved list, they would stop
service. They do check this because they don't want customers putting
a SIM card into a hotspot and using unlimited data on the hotspot.
Some hotspot users will change the IMEI of their hotspot to that of a
"donor phone" to get around this but I doubt that this is possible to
do on a tablet.
Gosh.
Some providers here even sell themselves routers with SIMs, on
batteries, intended for going on vacation. I have one such SIM, I pay
9€ a month (and not all months). And the router I bought separately,
from a computer seller, because I did not consider the ISP router good
enough. Pity it is 4G only.
They don't care at all. I think the SIM has now 50 gigs/month.
Funny info: that router even does SMS. I did not have to use a phone
for activation, ever.
Here in New Zealand, the internet providers that have a 4G / 5G home
plans send SMS messages to their modems for things like acknowledgement
of the monthly invoice being paid ... but the stupid thing is that you
have to log in to the modem and go to the modem's SMS page to read them, there's no notification that an SMS has arrived (neither on the devices
nor a light on the modem), and so almost nobody even knows the SMS
function is even there. It is limited though to only receiveing SMS from
the provider. It usually can't be used to send messages nor receive
messages from other senders.
I've never tried putting the modem's SIM into a phone, but, although it
of course has it's own phone number, it is almost certainly a data only
SIM.
Am 27.11.23 um 12:38 schrieb Theo:
While that is true, it's not quite the same as having regular phone service >> - eg can't make emergency calls, might not work so well in areas of low
signal, the app needs to be always connected to receive calls. Also, such >> apps may not handle SMS and MMS.
Going for a tablet with regular LTE/5G voice is a much simpler prospect,
IMO.
Good arguments. Depends on priority and readiness to spend money. A new >tablet and a regular service cost every month. If this person with a
reduced vision remains basically at home and has a reasonable wireless >network the solution can be much simpler. Nevertheless I would not
recommend Skype as sole connection to the world for a handicapped person.
On 11/28/2023 7:47 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
<snip>
You mean I can use my TV provider for my current Philips TV, but can't buy/use a new Samsung because my TV provider 'doesn't support that
device'?
This is a flawed analogy. As most analogies are.
The carriers in the U.S. care very much about which devices are active
on their networks.
They especially don't want users putting their phone SIM cards into
hotspots and then using their unlimited data plan to replace broadband internet. In areas where they have deployed 5G mmWave they are happy to
sell you "wireless broadband" service because they have the capacity for
that kind of usage. Some hotspot users bypass these restrictions by
changing the IMEI of their hotspot to the IMEI of a "donor phone."
They also don't want devices on their network that don't support a
sufficient number of the LTE bands that they use. This is both for
capacity reasons and because subscribers would complain about data
speeds if the device only supported legacy LTE bands.
They probably wouldn't care about someone using a tablet as a phone, but there aren't enough such customers, or such tablets, that they would
bother to add them to their whitelist.
sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
On 11/28/2023 7:47 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
<snip>
You mean I can use my TV provider for my current Philips TV, but can't >>> buy/use a new Samsung because my TV provider 'doesn't support that
device'?
This is a flawed analogy. As most analogies are.
It isn't 'flawed'. See below.
The carriers in the U.S. care very much about which devices are active
on their networks.
They especially don't want users putting their phone SIM cards into
hotspots and then using their unlimited data plan to replace broadband
internet. In areas where they have deployed 5G mmWave they are happy to
sell you "wireless broadband" service because they have the capacity for
that kind of usage. Some hotspot users bypass these restrictions by
changing the IMEI of their hotspot to the IMEI of a "donor phone."
That's a *somewhat* valid reason, but also an example of "unlimited"
not being unlimited. Here (NL) we mostly use fair-use policies or
throttling to prevent 'abuse' of "unlimited" plans.
They also don't want devices on their network that don't support a
sufficient number of the LTE bands that they use. This is both for
capacity reasons and because subscribers would complain about data
speeds if the device only supported legacy LTE bands.
Then *warn* the user, but don't deny any and all service.
They probably wouldn't care about someone using a tablet as a phone, but
there aren't enough such customers, or such tablets, that they would
bother to add them to their whitelist.
They shouldn't use whitelists, they should use blacklists, if any.
Look, over the years, I've used many (10-20) SIMs from many providers
(10 or so?) from different countries in many devices (15 or so?) -
phones and modems - of several (5 or so) brands and I have *never* had
any of this nonsense.
Carlos (Spain) also seems to indicate that he doesn't have such
problems and we've yet to hear from non-USAsians who do have such
problems.
So this seems to be very much a US-specific problem, which wouldn't be accepted in Europe, nor probably in the rest of the 'western' world.
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