• Re: keypad disappears during phone calls

    From Carlos E. R.@21:1/5 to Pierre Jelenc on Sun Nov 12 00:12:14 2023
    On 2023-11-11 23:26, Pierre Jelenc wrote:
    Often, especially when calling automated systems such as customer service
    or the like, it is necessary to enter numbers from the keypad to choose an option, enter a "last 4 digits" number, etc. My Samsung Galaxy A12 running Android 12 , with the default phone app, has a tendency to turn the screen off at that point, making the keypad inaccessible. Sometimes it is
    possible to wake it up by turning or shaking the phone, but other times it remains stubbornly off and nothing seems to help.

    This should be unrelated to the automatic screen timeout, which is set to
    30 min and gives no trouble otherwise. Am I missing another setting?

    The display is set to turn off, not only what you see, but the touching
    part, so that your ear doesn't push buttons unintentionally. The display
    should turn back on as soon as you remove it from your face. If it
    doesn't, touch briefly the home button, or power button, or whatever
    your phone has.

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    Carlos E.R.

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  • From Pierre Jelenc@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 11 22:26:07 2023
    Often, especially when calling automated systems such as customer service
    or the like, it is necessary to enter numbers from the keypad to choose an option, enter a "last 4 digits" number, etc. My Samsung Galaxy A12 running Android 12 , with the default phone app, has a tendency to turn the screen
    off at that point, making the keypad inaccessible. Sometimes it is
    possible to wake it up by turning or shaking the phone, but other times it remains stubbornly off and nothing seems to help.

    This should be unrelated to the automatic screen timeout, which is set to
    30 min and gives no trouble otherwise. Am I missing another setting?

    Pierre
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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to Pierre Jelenc on Sat Nov 11 16:54:38 2023
    On 11/11/2023 3:26 PM, Pierre Jelenc wrote:

    Often, especially when calling automated systems such as customer service
    or the like, it is necessary to enter numbers from the keypad to choose an option, enter a "last 4 digits" number, etc. My Samsung Galaxy A12 running Android 12 , with the default phone app, has a tendency to turn the screen off at that point, making the keypad inaccessible. Sometimes it is
    possible to wake it up by turning or shaking the phone, but other times it remains stubbornly off and nothing seems to help.

    On my Galaxy S10+:

    Settings > Advanced Features > Motions and Gestures > Keep screen on
    while viewing: Turn on the switch.

    The explanation under my setting says: "Keep screen on while you're
    looking at it, using the front camera to detect your face."

    If you have such a setting, give it a try. Good luck...

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  • From Pierre Jelenc@21:1/5 to noemail@none.com on Sun Nov 12 03:23:42 2023
    In article <uip480$3mess$1@dont-email.me>, AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
    On 11/11/2023 3:26 PM, Pierre Jelenc wrote:

    Often, especially when calling automated systems such as customer service
    or the like, it is necessary to enter numbers from the keypad to choose an >> option, enter a "last 4 digits" number, etc. My Samsung Galaxy A12 running >> Android 12 , with the default phone app, has a tendency to turn the screen >> off at that point, making the keypad inaccessible. Sometimes it is
    possible to wake it up by turning or shaking the phone, but other times it >> remains stubbornly off and nothing seems to help.

    On my Galaxy S10+:

    Settings > Advanced Features > Motions and Gestures > Keep screen on
    while viewing: Turn on the switch.

    The explanation under my setting says: "Keep screen on while you're
    looking at it, using the front camera to detect your face."

    If you have such a setting, give it a try. Good luck...

    Yes, I have that setting as well. I turned it on and it seems to work!
    Thanks a lot!

    Pierre

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  • From Pierre Jelenc@21:1/5 to Carlos E. R. on Sun Nov 12 03:29:40 2023
    In article <krag2eFtvc1U11@mid.individual.net>,
    Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    On 2023-11-11 23:26, Pierre Jelenc wrote:
    Often, especially when calling automated systems such as customer service
    or the like, it is necessary to enter numbers from the keypad to choose an >> option, enter a "last 4 digits" number, etc. My Samsung Galaxy A12 running >> Android 12 , with the default phone app, has a tendency to turn the screen >> off at that point, making the keypad inaccessible. Sometimes it is
    possible to wake it up by turning or shaking the phone, but other times it >> remains stubbornly off and nothing seems to help.

    This should be unrelated to the automatic screen timeout, which is set to
    30 min and gives no trouble otherwise. Am I missing another setting?

    The display is set to turn off, not only what you see, but the touching
    part, so that your ear doesn't push buttons unintentionally.

    That makes sense.

    The display
    should turn back on as soon as you remove it from your face. If it
    doesn't, touch briefly the home button, or power button, or whatever
    your phone has.

    That didn't work properly. Touching either button turns the screen on
    for a fraction of a second, but it turns off again, faster than I can
    react.

    Fortunately, the setting that uses face recognition appears to work.

    Pierre
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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Pierre Jelenc on Sat Nov 11 23:54:42 2023
    Pierre Jelenc <rcpj@panix.com> wrote

    Fortunately, the setting that uses face recognition appears to work.

    It looks like you resolved your problem, which is good for the archives.
    There may be additional useful ways to solve the problem set, perhaps...

    A few weeks ago (as I recall) we had a discussion on this newsgroup about setting the power button doubleclick to specifically toggle the flashlight.

    I haven't tried it, but you might be able to set up the power button doubleclick to make the keypad come up since it's just an Android activity.

    You can also make a "keypad" shortcut on your homescreen, if you want to.

    For example, on my Samsung Galaxy A32-5G, the phone app is the package
    named <com.samsung.android.dialer> which has a public "Dialacts Activity"
    named <com.samsung.android.dialer.DialtactsActivity> for the keypad.

    You can test that out on a Samsung by running this on a Windows PC.
    cmd activity start --user 0 -a android.intent.action.VIEW -n com.samsung.android.dialer/com.samsung.android.dialer.DialtactsActivity -f 0 com.samsung.android.dialer
    Which will bring up the dialer even if the screen was turned off.

    This is probably more than you want to know, but here is more detail: URI=intent:#Intent;package=com.samsung.android.dialer;component=com.samsung.android.dialer/.DialtactsActivity;end
    ACTION=android.intent.action.VIEW COMPONENT=com.samsung.android.dialer/com.samsung.android.dialer.DialtactsActivity
    PACKAGE=com.samsung.android.dialer
    MATCHING ACTIVITIES 1
    LABEL=Phone
    NAME=com.samsung.android.dialer.DialtactsActivity
    PACKAGE=com.samsung.android.dialer

    However, if you're not tying that keypad to the hardware power button,
    then you need to wake up the screen in order to press the 1-tap shortcut.
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    On Usenet, you can suggest ideas for others to try even if you
    haven't explicitly tried that specific task on every device.

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Carlos E. R. on Sun Nov 12 08:49:12 2023
    On 11/11/2023 23:12, Carlos E. R. wrote:
    On 2023-11-11 23:26, Pierre Jelenc wrote:
    Often, especially when calling automated systems such as customer service
    or the like, it is necessary to enter numbers from the keypad to choose an >> option, enter a "last 4 digits" number, etc. My Samsung Galaxy A12 running >> Android 12 , with the default phone app, has a tendency to turn the screen >> off at that point, making the keypad inaccessible. Sometimes it is
    possible to wake it up by turning or shaking the phone, but other times it >> remains stubbornly off and nothing seems to help.

    This should be unrelated to the automatic screen timeout, which is set to
    30 min and gives no trouble otherwise. Am I missing another setting?

    The display is set to turn off, not only what you see, but the touching
    part, so that your ear doesn't push buttons unintentionally.

    Yep. I found a simple solution - I just held the back of the phone to my
    ear. I couldn't detect any difference in sound quality or loudness using
    it that way.

    Surely this has been an issue since touchscreen smartphones appeared.
    Why does it still require solutions mentioned in replies here? Is it
    /ever/ mentioned in the instruction manuals, and how to deal with it?

    --

    Jeff

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  • From Carlos E. R.@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Sun Nov 12 13:10:33 2023
    On 2023-11-12 09:49, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 11/11/2023 23:12, Carlos E. R. wrote:
    On 2023-11-11 23:26, Pierre Jelenc wrote:
    Often, especially when calling automated systems such as customer
    service
    or the like, it is necessary to enter numbers from the keypad to
    choose an
    option, enter a "last 4 digits" number, etc. My Samsung Galaxy A12
    running
    Android 12 , with the default phone app, has a tendency to turn the
    screen
    off at that point, making the keypad inaccessible. Sometimes it is
    possible to wake it up by turning or shaking the phone, but other
    times it
    remains stubbornly off and nothing seems to help.

    This should be unrelated to the automatic screen timeout, which is
    set to
    30 min and gives no trouble otherwise. Am I missing another setting?

    The display is set to turn off, not only what you see, but the touching
    part, so that your ear doesn't push buttons unintentionally.

    Yep. I found a simple solution - I just held the back of the phone to my
    ear. I couldn't detect any difference in sound quality or loudness using
    it that way.

    Surely this has been an issue since touchscreen smartphones appeared.
    Why does it still require solutions mentioned in replies here? Is it
    /ever/ mentioned in the instruction manuals, and how to deal with it?

    They detect your ear, and some do it better than others.

    Some people keep the phone slanted on the ear instead of flat (only the
    top edge touches the ear). I have to do that sometimes.

    --
    Cheers,
    Carlos E.R.

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  • From Carlos E. R.@21:1/5 to Pierre Jelenc on Sun Nov 12 13:07:36 2023
    On 2023-11-12 04:29, Pierre Jelenc wrote:
    In article <krag2eFtvc1U11@mid.individual.net>,
    Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    On 2023-11-11 23:26, Pierre Jelenc wrote:
    Often, especially when calling automated systems such as customer service >>> or the like, it is necessary to enter numbers from the keypad to choose an >>> option, enter a "last 4 digits" number, etc. My Samsung Galaxy A12 running >>> Android 12 , with the default phone app, has a tendency to turn the screen >>> off at that point, making the keypad inaccessible. Sometimes it is
    possible to wake it up by turning or shaking the phone, but other times it >>> remains stubbornly off and nothing seems to help.

    This should be unrelated to the automatic screen timeout, which is set to >>> 30 min and gives no trouble otherwise. Am I missing another setting?

    The display is set to turn off, not only what you see, but the touching
    part, so that your ear doesn't push buttons unintentionally.

    That makes sense.

    The display
    should turn back on as soon as you remove it from your face. If it
    doesn't, touch briefly the home button, or power button, or whatever
    your phone has.

    That didn't work properly. Touching either button turns the screen on
    for a fraction of a second, but it turns off again, faster than I can
    react.

    Fortunately, the setting that uses face recognition appears to work.

    Curious.

    Now that you mention the screen turning itself off again, fast, I recall
    that happening to me as well.

    I got a call while I was still asleep, and I had to fight the phone to
    answer the call because it kept turning itself off and going back to the application I use to track sleep. I don't remember much detail, because
    I was also fighting the sleep fog, but I think I will give a try to your solution.

    For the curio, how did I get a call while in don't disturb mode? The
    phone did not ring, did not make a sound or vibrate, but the xiaomi my
    smart band 6 "smart watch" vibrated and I noticed, and saw the name of
    the caller in my watch. The daft watch ignores the do not disturb mode.
    And this one was an important call, anyway.

    --
    Cheers,
    Carlos E.R.

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Carlos E. R. on Sun Nov 12 13:56:20 2023
    "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

    Surely this has been an issue since touchscreen smartphones appeared.
    Why does it still require solutions mentioned in replies here? Is it
    /ever/ mentioned in the instruction manuals, and how to deal with it?

    They detect your ear, and some do it better than others.

    Some people keep the phone slanted on the ear instead of flat
    (only the top edge touches the ear). I have to do that sometimes.

    It was years ago, but when that face-recognition screenblank first came out
    and I didn't like that it did something strange with portrait mode so I
    killed it.

    However...

    I don't even rememmber how I killed it (I think I deleted a package or sumphun') but it's long gone on my Android 12 (since moved to Android 13).

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Pierre Jelenc on Mon Nov 13 14:34:39 2023
    Pierre Jelenc <rcpj@panix.com> wrote:
    Often, especially when calling automated systems such as customer service
    or the like, it is necessary to enter numbers from the keypad to choose an option, enter a "last 4 digits" number, etc. My Samsung Galaxy A12 running Android 12 , with the default phone app, has a tendency to turn the screen off at that point, making the keypad inaccessible. Sometimes it is
    possible to wake it up by turning or shaking the phone, but other times it remains stubbornly off and nothing seems to help.

    This should be unrelated to the automatic screen timeout, which is set to
    30 min and gives no trouble otherwise. Am I missing another setting?

    In addition to the Settings 'Keep screen on while viewing' setting
    which AJL mentioned and seems to work for you:

    Have you enabled 'Always On Display' mode for the screen (Settings ->
    Lock screen -> Always On Display)?

    As you probably know, the description 'Always On Display' is a bit of
    a misnomer, because the *display* does not stay on all the time, but
    goes black/dark normally, but the *touch* part of the screen stays
    active.

    So when the display goes black/dark, you can (single or double) tap
    the screen to unblank the display. Of course in your situation, you
    should try to tap on an 'empty' part, because otherwise you might
    accidentily tap one of the button or keypad buttons, while trying to
    unblank the display.

    On my Samsung A51, I have turned the 'Always On Display' mode from the beginning and have always been able to unblank the keypad (and other
    buttons, for example speaker) during a call.

    HTH.

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