You can chastise me if I ever say something unreasonable or illogical.
This is a reasonable logical and sensible assessment based on facts:
*There is no comparison between what an iPhone & Android phone does*
My Samsung Galaxy A32-5G was free from T-Mobile (as you're well aware),
so all I paid was the 10% sales tax on the MSPR and it came with a charger.
[...]> There is no "comparable" iPhone to even my free Android phone.
Why should it be so? iPhones have a completely different audience who
does not need all these features.
Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote
[...]> There is no "comparable" iPhone to even my free Android phone.
Why should it be so? iPhones have a completely different audience who
does not need all these features.
Arno,
You can always make a sensible logical statement when you converse with me
as I will do the same with you - so that we both learn from each other.
My main point is the iPhone is a toy that can't possibly compare to a real phone, just as a Barbie doll is a toy which can't possibly compare to a
real person - despite Apple's desperate marketing claims to the contrary.
My main point is the iPhone is a toy that can't possibly compare to a real >> phone, just as a Barbie doll is a toy which can't possibly compare to a
real person - despite Apple's desperate marketing claims to the contrary.
So what? If people like it this way - why not? I don't care.
Or do you want to tell all the people who own an iPhone that they should
dump it and get a "real" phone?
BTW: my private "daily driver" at the moment is a Google Pixel 6a and
the company I work for gave me an iPhone SE.
The iPhone SE does the job to be available when needed - and that's all
that counts for the company...
... along with the possibility to easily manage all the company phones
via mobile device management which is literally impossible with Android
with most devices.
Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote
My main point is the iPhone is a toy that can't possibly compare to a real >>> phone, just as a Barbie doll is a toy which can't possibly compare to aSo what? If people like it this way - why not? I don't care.
real person - despite Apple's desperate marketing claims to the contrary. >>
Hi Arno,
I just now created this screenshot so that I can learn from you, especially since you speak of the issue of managing the platforms for work & for play.
<https://i.postimg.cc/4NSK8690/profiles01.jpg> Personal/Work profiles
My point was only that there is no comparable iPhone to Android _if_ you
want do use the phone for more than just bare-minimum basic functionality.
If so, I can learn from you if you can help answer why not just have an iPhone/Android set up for personal & work profiles where a work IT
department manages a work profile & a user manages their personal profile?
... along with the possibility to easily manage all the company phones
via mobile device management which is literally impossible with Android
with most devices.
Hmmm... maybe there's something to that, where you seem to know a lot more about this work/personal profile stuff than I do - as I've never used it.
My Android has not only the basic ability of multiple users, but each user can have a work profile (managed by the IT department) and a personal one.
This is extremely basic stuff, by the way, that every platform can do.
Right?
I just made this screenshot for you even as I've never used the work
profile myself, but I turned it on so that I could make this shot for you.
<https://i.postimg.cc/4NSK8690/profiles01.jpg> Personal/Work profiles
Can the iPhone do that basic multi-user multi-profile functionality?
If so, I can learn from you if you can help answer why not just have an iPhone/Android set up for personal & work profiles where a work IT
department manages a work profile & a user manages their personal profile?
My main point is the iPhone is a toy that can't possibly compare to a real >>> phone, just as a Barbie doll is a toy which can't possibly compare to aSo what? If people like it this way - why not? I don't care.
real person - despite Apple's desperate marketing claims to the contrary. >>
Hi Arno,
I just now created this screenshot so that I can learn from you, especially since you speak of the issue of managing the platforms for work & for play.
<https://i.postimg.cc/4NSK8690/profiles01.jpg> Personal/Work profiles
On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 16:50:52 -0400, Wally J wrote:
My main point is the iPhone is a toy that can't possibly compare to a real >>>> phone, just as a Barbie doll is a toy which can't possibly compare to a >>>> real person - despite Apple's desperate marketing claims to the contrary. >>>So what? If people like it this way - why not? I don't care.
Hi Arno,
I just now created this screenshot so that I can learn from you, especially >> since you speak of the issue of managing the platforms for work & for play. >> <https://i.postimg.cc/4NSK8690/profiles01.jpg> Personal/Work profiles
The iPhone can't do any of that multiuser stuff & persona/work profiles. That's why security based corporations ban the use of iPhones as insecure. Only Android has those capabilities of multiple users and multi-profiles.
I just now created this screenshot so that I can learn from you, especially >> since you speak of the issue of managing the platforms for work & for play. >> <https://i.postimg.cc/4NSK8690/profiles01.jpg> Personal/Work profiles
This is not what I am talking about.
Apple offers a centralized management for all comapny devices *without*
*any* interaction needed on the device itself.
No "work" profile and more important: no "private" profile where employess can do whatever they want.
On the iPhone SE I can do exactly *nothing* except using the
apps which are installed by the company.
That's one of the reasons why
Apple is so widespread in this area: one manufacturer and one device
with a few different models.
With Android you have many manufacturers
with many customized Android versions and unknown security issues which
are often the result of the customizations.
You may not remember that - but when Android was still quite new, HTC
managed to "implement" a massive security hole to their custom version:
<https://www.pcworld.com/article/477035/massive_security_vulnerability_in_htc_android_phones_claimed.html>
And all those "root hacks" in the past often worked by exploiting some
kind vulnerability in the custom recovery ROM of the manufacturer.
Nowadays this is often not neccessary any longer since even Google
officially allows you to unlock the bootloader and install an
alternative system like LineageOS - of course you have to give up things
like Google Pay then.
Yes, the situation with Android improved over the last 5 years and with "Android Enterprise" there is a similar solution for Android as it
exists for iPhone. But Google started quite late with that, after
Samsung invented "Knox" first, and many companies still prefer Apple
because Android has this image of being a fragmented system where you
never know what a vendor implemented and what not.
My point was only that there is no comparable iPhone to Android _if_ you
want do use the phone for more than just bare-minimum basic functionality.
So what? I don't care if iPhones are comparable with anything at all.
I
use one as an employee and I don't care if the iPhone is comparable to
my Android device.
At least the apps on the iPhone, which I got
installed, provide more than just "bare-minimum basic functionality".
For example I can access company files like Word, Excel etc.. and I can
do video calls and can transfer a running video call to my laptop
without interrupting it and vice versa. Very comfortable when I am in a
hurry to leave the office but I don't want to take my laptop with me.
Of course if you define the use of Tor browser as a requirement for
"advanced functionality" then yes, the iPhone is just a basic smartphone.
If so, I can learn from you if you can help answer why not just have an
iPhone/Android set up for personal & work profiles where a work IT
department manages a work profile & a user manages their personal profile?
Depending on the requirements maybe because of security reasons.
Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote
I just now created this screenshot so that I can learn from you, especially >>> since you speak of the issue of managing the platforms for work & for play. >>> <https://i.postimg.cc/4NSK8690/profiles01.jpg> Personal/Work profiles
This is not what I am talking about.
Good.
My point is that you can't compare iOS to Android because iOS is crippled.
Remember, I am not like most people in that I discuss facts.
I make rational and sensible assessments of those facts.
Rest assured, I am very well aware that every common consumer operating system _except iOS_ has the basic ability to set it up for multiple users.
It's only iOS that's crippled by complete lack of multi-user capability.
Apple offers a centralized management for all comapny devices *without*
*any* interaction needed on the device itself.
No "work" profile and more important: no "private" profile where employess >> can do whatever they want.
Exactly my point.
There is no comparative iPhone to Android because iOS is born crippled.
On the iPhone SE I can do exactly *nothing* except using the
apps which are installed by the company.
Exactly my point. What's different about iOS is that it is born crippled.
iPhones don't have multiple user profiles like Androids do.
Also MDM
is a completely different thing than multiple user profiles. I can't tell
you all the details because I don't know, but my work phone has MDM installed.
MDM gives the IT Department the ability to remotely manage your phone
without any user interaction. If necessary they can wipe your phone clean
if you report it lost. MDM provides special certificates and automatic VPN profiles which makes a phone become part of the approved network to the
point where you can open encrypted emails and access confidential servers. There are many more things MDM can do which I can't speak of intelligently.
I'm sure Android can do some of these things too but iPhone was approved
for restricted access long before Android was.
I first had the BlackBerry
Storm but that was a piece of crap.
I tried to avoid the iPhones but that
was my only option if I wanted remote access to email. This is why my first iPhone was the 4 model. Android was not available from my employer because
it couldn't be locked down. I think the option to have an Android phone wasn't available until 3-4 years ago and even then we couldn't open
encrypted emails. I don't know if that has changed since.
I've been using iPhones since 2009 and have been tempted to switch my personal phone to an Android, but am getting too old and lazy to learn something new. With all its limitations, I've adapted and the iPhone works good enough for me.
Exactly my point. What's different about iOS is that it is born crippled.
This is needed feature for an enterprise phone, and you saying that it
is crippled is ridiculous.
Instead, you have to find some Android
supplier that allows doing the exact same thing.
This is an undeniable bonus point for iphones.
Windows, for instance, also offer similar features.
The only thing you can do to counteract the argument is find how to do
the same thing on Android.
What company can I buy from, a box of Android
phones with a centralized computer to rule them all, in a manner that no
user can do any customization or change if not expliticly allowed by the central controller.
Otherwise, be a gentleman and concede the point.
No, Arlen, no.
This is needed feature for an enterprise phone, and you saying that it
is crippled is ridiculous. Instead, you have to find some Android
supplier that allows doing the exact same thing.
This is an undeniable bonus point for iphones.
Windows, for instance, also offer similar features.
The only thing you can do to counteract the argument is find how to do
the same thing on Android. What company can I buy from, a box of Android phones with a centralized computer to rule them all, in a manner that no
user can do any customization or change if not expliticly allowed by the central controller.
Otherwise, be a gentleman and concede the point.
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
Exactly my point. What's different about iOS is that it is born crippled. >>>
This is needed feature for an enterprise phone, and you saying that it
is crippled is ridiculous.
Hi Carlos,
My point of view is a very adult point of view - based on the facts.
Not on marketing bullshit.
Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote[...]
Apple offers a centralized management for all comapny devices *without*
*any* interaction needed on the device itself.
No "work" profile and more important: no "private" profile where employess >> can do whatever they want.
Exactly my point.
There is no comparative iPhone to Android because iOS is born crippled.
As always, the iPhone is so severely crippled, even in the camera functionality, that you have to ignore that it's crippled to even begin to compare the two devices in output.
And that's my point.
Most people don't understand a word I said above.
I hope you and Arno do.
Because I care about sensible people understanding logical thought
processes.
On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 16:50:52 -0400, Wally J wrote:
My main point is the iPhone is a toy that can't possibly compare to a real >>>> phone, just as a Barbie doll is a toy which can't possibly compare to a >>>> real person - despite Apple's desperate marketing claims to the contrary. >>>So what? If people like it this way - why not? I don't care.
Hi Arno,
I just now created this screenshot so that I can learn from you, especially >> since you speak of the issue of managing the platforms for work & for play. >> <https://i.postimg.cc/4NSK8690/profiles01.jpg> Personal/Work profiles
The iPhone can't do any of that multiuser stuff & persona/work profiles. That's why security based corporations ban the use of iPhones as insecure.
Just be a gentleman and concede the point.
This has nothing to do with "logical thought", it's just a personal
flamewar against iPhones.
JFTR: I only use Android as my private device and would never buy an
iPhone myself for certain reasons. But your crusade against iPhones is something I can not take serious.
This is needed feature for an enterprise phone, and you saying that it
is crippled is ridiculous. Instead, you have to find some Android
supplier that allows doing the exact same thing.
This is an undeniable bonus point for iphones.
Windows, for instance, also offer similar features.
The only thing you can do to counteract the argument is find how to do
the same thing on Android. What company can I buy from, a box of Android
phones with a centralized computer to rule them all, in a manner that no
user can do any customization or change if not expliticly allowed by the
central controller.
Otherwise, be a gentleman and concede the point.
Indeed, AFAIK there's no such management platform for Android and
admins have to fight to get some control over employee's phones and they
and the employees have to jump through all kinds of hoops to get it
somewhat workable.
Some time ago, there was an experienced admin in the Dutch (nl.*)
groups and he could not believe all the brick walls he kept running
into. When he encountered yet another problem, the only thing we could
do is nod and confirm that it indeed was as bad as it was.
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
Just be a gentleman and concede the point.
I did concede as a perfect gentleman, Carlos.
Perhaps you missed it?
I proved the iPhone is crippled
and if _that_ is what corporations like
most about the iPhone, then being crippled in functionality is certainly a "feature" that is in the iPhone nature, but which isn't part of Android.
Not being able to do anything is a strange feature to be bragging about,
but in the corporate world, it's something _they_ (i.e., IT) perhaps love.
Frank Slootweg wrote on 8 Nov 2023 16:49:02 GMT :
This is needed feature for an enterprise phone, and you saying that it
is crippled is ridiculous. Instead, you have to find some Android
supplier that allows doing the exact same thing.
This is an undeniable bonus point for iphones.
Windows, for instance, also offer similar features.
The only thing you can do to counteract the argument is find how to do
the same thing on Android. What company can I buy from, a box of Android >>> phones with a centralized computer to rule them all, in a manner that no >>> user can do any customization or change if not expliticly allowed by the >>> central controller.
Otherwise, be a gentleman and concede the point.
Indeed, AFAIK there's no such management platform for Android and
admins have to fight to get some control over employee's phones and they
and the employees have to jump through all kinds of hoops to get it
somewhat workable.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/mem/intune/configuration/media/device-restrictions-android-for-work/setting-headers.png
Some time ago, there was an experienced admin in the Dutch (nl.*)
groups and he could not believe all the brick walls he kept running
into. When he encountered yet another problem, the only thing we could
do is nod and confirm that it indeed was as bad as it was.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/mem/intune/configuration/device-restrictions-android-for-work
As always, I can learn from others and I am never afraid to admit
when I don't know something. I have no idea what MDM is at the moment.
MDM gives the IT Department the ability to remotely manage your
phone without any user interaction. If necessary they can wipe
your phone clean if you report it lost. MDM provides special
certificates and automatic VPN profiles which makes a phone become
part of the approved network to the point where you can open
encrypted emails and access confidential servers. There are many
more things MDM can do which I can't speak of intelligently.
While I can see how that's useful, I think Android profiles do the
same thing but I must admit I haven't been in the corporate world
since I retired so I'd have to look up how they do it.
However...
Android is so much more powerful than the crippled iOS that I can't
imagine it not being possible - as we have to keep in mind what iOS
is and isn't.
Apple restricts what iOS can do.
Google can't restrict what Android can do.
Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote
This has nothing to do with "logical thought", it's just a personal
flamewar against iPhones.
It's interesting that you think every truth about Apple products to be a "flame war" - such as the fact that iPhones lack common sd card slots.
I proved the iPhone is crippled
No, it is not. Wrong wording.
Not being able to do anything is a strange feature to be bragging about,
but in the corporate world, it's something _they_ (i.e., IT) perhaps love.
It is not a strange feature at all.
It is a needed feature that allows them to sell to the corporate world.
It is a plainly good and wanted feature. An enhancement, because clients
also have to buy the expensive management tools (same as you need
Windows Server plus expensive tools to do a similar job with Windows;
Windows Server and Windows Professional are not crippled, they actually
have more features than the Home version).
Don't beat around the bush.
Iphones are clearly better in this area. No mincing of words.
(and remember I have never owned an iphone).
No - that is what company *want*! And even if you don't like that - the companies which use iPhones don't care.
We normal people simply don't care.
We are not constantly looking and
posting what one or another brand did badly, and constantly showing one
or another brand in a bad light. And it is always the same brand which
does badly.
We will like some things done by one brand, and other times like things
done by another brand, and then we choose one or the other brand. We can
even choose the other brand depending on what we are doing.
(and please remember that my choice is Android, and have never owned an
Apple device, o don't try to mark me as a fanboy)
You can chastise me if I ever say something unreasonable or illogical.
This is a reasonable logical and sensible assessment based on facts:
*There is no comparison between what an iPhone & Android phone does*
My Samsung Galaxy A32-5G was free from T-Mobile (as you're well aware),
so all I paid was the 10% sales tax on the MSPR and it came with a charger.
That free phone is far more powerful than any iPhone ever sold, in terms of what it can do (which I hope people understand by now), so it's already better than any iPhone ever sold - and it was essentially free + tax.
Alan Browne claims he can find a "comparable" iPhone but he can't.
He lied.
As just one example, my free phone does GPS spoofing.
Can any iPhone do that?
My free phone can graphically debug Wi-Fi APs. Can any iPhone do that?
My free phone can run the Tor browser. Can any iPhone do that?
My free phone can run a system firewall. Can any iPhone do that?
My free phone can swap out the launcher. Can any iPhone do that?
My free phone can change the default text messenger.
My free phone can do automatic call recording.
My free phone can torrent.
My free phone can ...
The point is that Alan Browne pretends that his iPhone can do that.
But it can't.
There is no "comparable" iPhone to even my free Android phone.
What Alan Browne is doing is ignoring that an iPhone is just a toy.
A very expensive toy.
But a toy nonetheless.
There is no comparison between what an iPhone & Android phone does.
On 2023-11-09 07:45, Andrew wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote on 8 Nov 2023 16:49:02 GMT :
This is needed feature for an enterprise phone, and you saying that it >>>> is crippled is ridiculous. Instead, you have to find some Android
supplier that allows doing the exact same thing.
This is an undeniable bonus point for iphones.
Windows, for instance, also offer similar features.
The only thing you can do to counteract the argument is find how to do >>>> the same thing on Android. What company can I buy from, a box of Android >>>> phones with a centralized computer to rule them all, in a manner that no >>>> user can do any customization or change if not expliticly allowed by the >>>> central controller.
Otherwise, be a gentleman and concede the point.
Indeed, AFAIK there's no such management platform for Android and
admins have to fight to get some control over employee's phones and they >>> and the employees have to jump through all kinds of hoops to get it
somewhat workable.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/mem/intune/configuration/media/device-restrictions-android-for-work/setting-headers.png
Some time ago, there was an experienced admin in the Dutch (nl.*)
groups and he could not believe all the brick walls he kept running
into. When he encountered yet another problem, the only thing we could
do is nod and confirm that it indeed was as bad as it was.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/mem/intune/configuration/device-restrictions-android-for-work
Ah, this is interesting.
Do you know if they work with all Android brands, or they need specific one(s)?
Maybe it's precisely because of the built in restrictions that Mobile Devicement Management works as desired on iPhones and not Androids.
The one my company uses is called MaaS360.
As I said before, I'm not fully understanding of all the capabilities
of MDM on either platform. For all I know, it's possible the Android
devices can be managed like the iOS devices by this time.
What percentage of consumers care?
Carlos E. R. wrote on Thu, 9 Nov 2023 11:57:57 +0100 :
On 2023-11-09 07:45, Andrew wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote on 8 Nov 2023 16:49:02 GMT :
This is needed feature for an enterprise phone, and you saying that it >>>>> is crippled is ridiculous. Instead, you have to find some Android
supplier that allows doing the exact same thing.
This is an undeniable bonus point for iphones.
Windows, for instance, also offer similar features.
The only thing you can do to counteract the argument is find how to do >>>>> the same thing on Android. What company can I buy from, a box of Android >>>>> phones with a centralized computer to rule them all, in a manner that no >>>>> user can do any customization or change if not expliticly allowed by the >>>>> central controller.
Otherwise, be a gentleman and concede the point.
Indeed, AFAIK there's no such management platform for Android and
admins have to fight to get some control over employee's phones and they >>>> and the employees have to jump through all kinds of hoops to get it
somewhat workable.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/mem/intune/configuration/media/device-restrictions-android-for-work/setting-headers.png
Some time ago, there was an experienced admin in the Dutch (nl.*)
groups and he could not believe all the brick walls he kept running
into. When he encountered yet another problem, the only thing we could >>>> do is nod and confirm that it indeed was as bad as it was.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/mem/intune/configuration/device-restrictions-android-for-work
Ah, this is interesting.
Do you know if they work with all Android brands, or they need specific
one(s)?
I don't know as my company's products interface GPS with Windows PCs.
The government contracts specify only Android so that restricts us from
using anything else for work (they don't care about personal phones).
To try to answer your question, the company hands out the preconfigured
work phones to us and lately they have been S23's but I don't know if the Android enterprise solutions work with any other brand (it probably does).
But this says Android's Enterprise API works on more than 80 devices. https://developers.google.com/android/management/
And this says they are "fully managed" solutions for enterprise work. https://developers.google.com/android/work/requirements/fully-managed-device
A simple google shows there are many Android MDM solutions. https://www.android.com/enterprise/management/
I think Google calls the basic underlying API something like "Enterprise." https://support.google.com/work/android/answer/6396012 https://support.google.com/work/android/answer/9562029
And many companies are making Android "Enterprise" management solutions. https://www.android.com/enterprise/resources/ https://www.android.com/intl/en_ie/enterprise/management/
There is even something called Google Endpoint but I think it involves
Google working together with the corporation to make a management console. https://support.google.com/a/answer/12010750
On 2023-11-10 03:19, Andrew wrote:[...]
Carlos E. R. wrote on Thu, 9 Nov 2023 11:57:57 +0100 :
Ah, this is interesting.
Do you know if they work with all Android brands, or they need specific
one(s)?
I don't know as my company's products interface GPS with Windows PCs.
The government contracts specify only Android so that restricts us from using anything else for work (they don't care about personal phones).
To try to answer your question, the company hands out the preconfigured work phones to us and lately they have been S23's but I don't know if the Android enterprise solutions work with any other brand (it probably does).
But this says Android's Enterprise API works on more than 80 devices. https://developers.google.com/android/management/
And this says they are "fully managed" solutions for enterprise work. https://developers.google.com/android/work/requirements/fully-managed-device
A simple google shows there are many Android MDM solutions. https://www.android.com/enterprise/management/
I think Google calls the basic underlying API something like "Enterprise." https://support.google.com/work/android/answer/6396012 https://support.google.com/work/android/answer/9562029
And many companies are making Android "Enterprise" management solutions. https://www.android.com/enterprise/resources/ https://www.android.com/intl/en_ie/enterprise/management/
There is even something called Google Endpoint but I think it involves Google working together with the corporation to make a management console. https://support.google.com/a/answer/12010750
Thank you :-)
So Android can do the same "crippling" as iphones ;-)
That's good. It was strange that Google would give up on the enterprise/corporate market that easily.
There was a Lightning FM radio for iPhones but it is no longer available
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07G1LGS62>.
I have been listening to the radio in this room for the last two months, using Open Radio app on a tablet (ie, via internet) and a BT speaker.
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
There was a Lightning FM radio for iPhones but it is no longer available >> <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07G1LGS62>.
I have been listening to the radio in this room for the last two months, using Open Radio app on a tablet (ie, via internet) and a BT speaker.
Bear in mind it's only iPhones which completely lack modern functionality (such as portable memory slots and the industry standard 3.5mm aux jack).
FACT:
Most Android phones have them; yet no new iPhones do.
*0% of iPhones have key modern hardware capabilities - while from 66%*
*to 78% of Android phone have that key modern hardware functionality*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/vLB-bIF-P5Q/>
Certainly mine does.
The lack of modern hardware is yet another reason why you can't seriously compare any iPhone to even the least expensive Android phone out there.
*There is no comparison possible between what an iPhone & Android phone does*
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/eziBe9NRI04>
--
Apple makes those ungodly profits off of an incredibly gullible consumer.
Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote
No - that is what company *want*! And even if you don't like that - the
companies which use iPhones don't care.
Hi Arno,
The topic of this thread is that there is no comparison iPhone because the iPhone can't do thousands (upon thousands!) of things that Android can.
I don't consider you an iKook, Arno.
Yet that's exactly what makes an iKook, an iKook.
They hate every fact about Apple products, Arno.
But what about you?
What's your logic?
Do you too hate every fact about Apple products?
Why do you consider simply stating any fact to be a crusade against Apple?
Wally J, 2023-11-09 23:40:
Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote
No - that is what company *want*! And even if you don't like that - the
companies which use iPhones don't care.
Hi Arno,
The topic of this thread is that there is no comparison iPhone because the >> iPhone can't do thousands (upon thousands!) of things that Android can.
Aha "thousands" - interesting. I wonder if you can name even more then
500 individual "thinkgs".
If you like to, I can provide a editable Nextcloud spreadsheet document
as link so you can add it there.
JFTR: I don't like iPhones either. But telling people that a device can
do "thousands" of things better than another is just complete bullshit.
Same actual reason he doesn't write his tutorials in a proper web page, properly indexed and searchable, and instead claims that they are in
Usenet for the future :-D
Pity, because that would be useful.
JFTR: I don't like iPhones either. But telling people that a device can
do "thousands" of things better than another is just complete bullshit.
telling people that a device can
do "thousands" of things better than another is just complete bullshit.
On 11/11/2023, Arno Welzel wrote:
telling people that a device can
do "thousands" of things better than another is just complete bullshit.
No. It's you who is wrong.
There are so many major and minor differences that it's definitely in the thousands but don't get it from me. Get it from this google doc to start. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JznrWfGJDA8CYVfjSnPTwfVy8-gAC0kPyaApuJTcUNE/
Fewer holes in the case for dust and water to get inside for a start.
FM radios
Are the IP ratings higher for all the phones that lack the normal ports?
It is easier to achieve with one less jack opening in the case. But of
course it is also possible with headphone jacks. My old Sony Z3 Compact
was also water proof and it had a headphone jack. But back then it was
also not the cheapest one compared to other devices with similar hardware.
Sofar, I use none of the three (headphone jack, SD card slot and FM
radio), but it's nice to know they're there, just in case.
Yup. Like a fire extinguisher...
Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote
Fewer holes in the case for dust and water to get inside for a start.
FM radios
Are the IP ratings higher for all the phones that lack the normal ports?
It is easier to achieve with one less jack opening in the case. But of
course it is also possible with headphone jacks. My old Sony Z3 Compact
was also water proof and it had a headphone jack. But back then it was
also not the cheapest one compared to other devices with similar hardware.
There is only one reason Apple removed the charger and the headphone jack. (It's the same reason no iPhone has basic standard portable storage slots.)
And no, it's not for waterproofing, as Arno Welzel shows he knows well.
It's Apple's basic strategy to drastically limit hardware & software functionality so Apple can better control how the consumer buys it back.
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
Same actual reason he doesn't write his tutorials in a proper web page,
properly indexed and searchable, and instead claims that they are in
Usenet for the future :-D
Pity, because that would be useful.
Look here...
<https://xdaforums.com/m/galaxya325g.11604613/recent-content>
Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote
Sofar, I use none of the three (headphone jack, SD card slot and FM
radio), but it's nice to know they're there, just in case.
Yup. Like a fire extinguisher...
When you compare "resale value" for an iPhone compared to, oh, say my free Samsung Galaxy A32-5G, Alan Browne doesn't take into account it comes with
a. An aux jack
b. An portable memory slot
c. A fast charger in the box
etc.
Only fools think a phone is "free" just because there isn't a line item
on your invoice.
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