On 11/15/23 8:31 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:
Andrew, 2023-11-13 20:21:
Arno Welzel wrote on Mon, 13 Nov 2023 12:56:14 +0100 :
On 2023-11-13 08:48, Arno Welzel wrote:[...]
One USB-C connector is enough to connect it to a dock which provides >>>>>> power and additional USB ports for peripherials.
That's extra hardware to buy.
Well - a dock to connect mobile devices to stationary peripherials is
not "extra" for me but the most easy way to use the hardware.
You plug in your peripherials and power adapter *once* to the dock and >>>> then you only ever need exaclt *one* plug to connect all the stuff to
your table (or laptop etc.).
It's still extra hardware to buy, stock & always carry around with you
for a phone that's supposed to be stuck into your pocket as you move
about.
You always carry a mouse and keyboard with your phone? Or a charger?
I have a battery pack in my purse. The charger is in my car. I'm unwilling to do anything on my phone that requires a mouse or keyboard
EVER.
On 2023-11-16 18:19, The Real Bev wrote:
On 11/15/23 8:31 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:
Andrew, 2023-11-13 20:21:
Arno Welzel wrote on Mon, 13 Nov 2023 12:56:14 +0100 :
On 2023-11-13 08:48, Arno Welzel wrote:[...]
One USB-C connector is enough to connect it to a dock which provides >>>>>>> power and additional USB ports for peripherials.
That's extra hardware to buy.
Well - a dock to connect mobile devices to stationary peripherials is >>>>> not "extra" for me but the most easy way to use the hardware.
You plug in your peripherials and power adapter *once* to the dock and >>>>> then you only ever need exaclt *one* plug to connect all the stuff to >>>>> your table (or laptop etc.).
It's still extra hardware to buy, stock & always carry around with you >>>> for a phone that's supposed to be stuck into your pocket as you move
about.
You always carry a mouse and keyboard with your phone? Or a charger?
I have a battery pack in my purse. The charger is in my car. I'm
unwilling to do anything on my phone that requires a mouse or keyboard
EVER.
:-)
I have a use case.
Once upon a time, I bought a tablet. I was happy. I went to bed hugging
it. One day, it fell from the bed to the floor. The glass cracked, and >stopped reacting to the touch. I managed to power it down, stored it,
and bought another one, identical.
Time later, a merchant opened shop on my street, and had adverts saying
they repaired tablets, including broken displays.
Huh? What if... ?
So I asked them. They took my tablet for a day or two, and finally said
that they could not locate a spare (it is an Asus). But they said: "hey,
do you know you can still use it with a mouse? Wire or BT." "Ow, thanks".
So I tried. Indeed it works with a wired mouse. It also works with a BT >mouse, but each time battery dies I have to charge it, plug the wired
mouse, then activate the BT mouse. After a minute or two both are
working and I can disconnect the wired mouse.
During those minutes, I'd like to be able to feed power to the tablet
and connect the mouse (remember the battery is almost flat). Doesn't work.
But then I can use that tablet with a BT mouse. I use it to control the >Google dongle on the back of the TV, and Amazon Prime viewing on the
same tv. The tablet is no longer mobile, it sits on a metal stand from
IKEA, a HAVREHOJ, and cardboard at its side with a small BT mouse from
Amazon Basics.
See? Never say never :-D
On 2023-11-16 18:19, The Real Bev wrote:
On 11/15/23 8:31 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:
Andrew, 2023-11-13 20:21:
Arno Welzel wrote on Mon, 13 Nov 2023 12:56:14 +0100 :
On 2023-11-13 08:48, Arno Welzel wrote:[...]
One USB-C connector is enough to connect it to a dock which provides >>>>>>> power and additional USB ports for peripherials.
That's extra hardware to buy.
Well - a dock to connect mobile devices to stationary peripherials is >>>>> not "extra" for me but the most easy way to use the hardware.
You plug in your peripherials and power adapter *once* to the dock and >>>>> then you only ever need exaclt *one* plug to connect all the stuff to >>>>> your table (or laptop etc.).
It's still extra hardware to buy, stock & always carry around with you >>>> for a phone that's supposed to be stuck into your pocket as you move
about.
You always carry a mouse and keyboard with your phone? Or a charger?
I have a battery pack in my purse. The charger is in my car. I'm
unwilling to do anything on my phone that requires a mouse or keyboard
EVER.
:-)
I have a use case.
Once upon a time, I bought a tablet. I was happy. I went to bed hugging
it. One day, it fell from the bed to the floor. The glass cracked, and stopped reacting to the touch. I managed to power it down, stored it,
and bought another one, identical.
Time later, a merchant opened shop on my street, and had adverts saying
they repaired tablets, including broken displays.
Huh? What if... ?
So I asked them. They took my tablet for a day or two, and finally said
that they could not locate a spare (it is an Asus). But they said: "hey,
do you know you can still use it with a mouse? Wire or BT." "Ow, thanks".
So I tried. Indeed it works with a wired mouse. It also works with a BT mouse, but each time battery dies I have to charge it, plug the wired
mouse, then activate the BT mouse. After a minute or two both are
working and I can disconnect the wired mouse.
During those minutes, I'd like to be able to feed power to the tablet
and connect the mouse (remember the battery is almost flat). Doesn't work.
But then I can use that tablet with a BT mouse. I use it to control the Google dongle on the back of the TV, and Amazon Prime viewing on the
same tv. The tablet is no longer mobile, it sits on a metal stand from
IKEA, a HAVREHOJ, and cardboard at its side with a small BT mouse from
Amazon Basics.
See? Never say never :-D
On 11/16/23 11:25 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-11-16 18:19, The Real Bev wrote:
On 11/15/23 8:31 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:
Andrew, 2023-11-13 20:21:
Arno Welzel wrote on Mon, 13 Nov 2023 12:56:14 +0100 :
On 2023-11-13 08:48, Arno Welzel wrote:
I have a battery pack in my purse. The charger is in my car. I'm
unwilling to do anything on my phone that requires a mouse or
keyboard EVER.
:-)
I have a use case.
Once upon a time, I bought a tablet. I was happy. I went to bed hugging
it. One day, it fell from the bed to the floor. The glass cracked, and
stopped reacting to the touch. I managed to power it down, stored it,
and bought another one, identical.
Time later, a merchant opened shop on my street, and had adverts saying
they repaired tablets, including broken displays.
Huh? What if... ?
So I asked them. They took my tablet for a day or two, and finally said
that they could not locate a spare (it is an Asus). But they said: "hey,
do you know you can still use it with a mouse? Wire or BT." "Ow, thanks".
Are all your phone repair places owned by middle-easterners?
That's the
way it is here. The owners do the fixing and send their children to college. THIS is the kind of diversity we need, not whiners who think they're being insulted because we actually ARE laughing at them for
demanding that we recognize their spurious pronouns.
So I tried. Indeed it works with a wired mouse. It also works with a BT
mouse, but each time battery dies I have to charge it, plug the wired
mouse, then activate the BT mouse. After a minute or two both are
working and I can disconnect the wired mouse.
During those minutes, I'd like to be able to feed power to the tablet
and connect the mouse (remember the battery is almost flat). Doesn't
work.
But then I can use that tablet with a BT mouse. I use it to control the
Google dongle on the back of the TV, and Amazon Prime viewing on the
same tv. The tablet is no longer mobile, it sits on a metal stand from
IKEA, a HAVREHOJ, and cardboard at its side with a small BT mouse from
Amazon Basics.
See? Never say never :-D
As long as people think, there is hope.
On 11/16/23 12:25 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-11-16 18:19, The Real Bev wrote:
On 11/15/23 8:31 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:
Andrew, 2023-11-13 20:21:
See? Never say never :-D
All my tablets: Amazon, Android, Chrome, and phone work with my USB
trackball mouse. This Chrome Tablet came with a detachable keyboard so I
see the need, but my phone???
On 2023-11-29 10:18, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-11-28 10:22, Frank Slootweg wrote:
BTW, why do cameras have a memory-card slot? Can't they just be >>>> equipped with enough memory, like any other sane device?
When I'm shooting I usually carry 2 - 3 cards plus the 2 cards in the
camera. Full frame fills cards fast when shooting raw. I can often
"make do" with the 2 cards but sometimes I overflow into one or 2 more.
On travel (personal), I also bring a card reader and backup those cards
to the laptop.
The drone cards fill fast - but then the batteries last 25 - 30 minutes
(practically - flights are about 20 minutes), so a single SD per drone
per outing is enough (usually). 3 batts per drone - change between
flights of course.
But of course none of these things are smartphones.
It looks like you missed the joke/irony/sarcasm in my "BTW, ..."
comment. I.e. why should a camera have a slot for a memory-card, while -
for some of You Guys (TM) - it's off limits for a phone/tablet?
And they don't have FM receivers.
Bummer! That would be *so* handy when you're out of mobile range!
And the aux jacks they have have nothing to do with audio.
Well, I think some of my camera's have 'aux jacks' which do have to do >> with audio, but they're not 3.5mm "1890"'s TRRS! :-)
True - some can be mic inputs (on cameras). On my drones they are for
data (maintenance).
BTW, I think in 1890 [1] there was no TRRS, nor TRS and no 3.5mm
version, so you might want to update that date! :-)
[1] If that was the year you keep on mentioning.
I got it wrong indeed. Should be 1877.
The original TR "patch cable" in this style emerged sometime in the
1870's. The 3.5 TRS/TRRS designs we see today descend therefrom. (as
far back as 1977, actually - so I'll update my comments going forward).
The original TR "patch cable" in this style emerged sometime in the
1870's. The 3.5 TRS/TRRS designs we see today descend therefrom. (as
far back as 1977, actually - so I'll update my comments going forward).
oops- "as far back as 1877" - sorry.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
The original TR "patch cable" in this style emerged sometime in the
1870's. The 3.5 TRS/TRRS designs we see today descend therefrom. (as
far back as 1977, actually - so I'll update my comments going forward).
oops- "as far back as 1877" - sorry.
Your argument is flawed that just because something has been useful for
many years, that it's no longer useful only because Apple told you so.
The original TR "patch cable" in this style emerged sometime in theoops- "as far back as 1877" - sorry.
1870's. The 3.5 TRS/TRRS designs we see today descend therefrom. (as
far back as 1977, actually - so I'll update my comments going forward). >>>
Your argument is flawed that just because something has been useful for
many years, that it's no longer useful only because Apple told you so.
That's not his argument.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
The original TR "patch cable" in this style emerged sometime in theoops- "as far back as 1877" - sorry.
1870's. The 3.5 TRS/TRRS designs we see today descend therefrom. (as >>>>> far back as 1977, actually - so I'll update my comments going forward). >>>>
Your argument is flawed that just because something has been useful for
many years, that it's no longer useful only because Apple told you so.
That's not his argument.
He's repeating it works for far too long for Apple to sell you more stuff.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
The original TR "patch cable" in this style emerged sometime in the
1870's. The 3.5 TRS/TRRS designs we see today descend therefrom. (as
far back as 1977, actually - so I'll update my comments going forward).
oops- "as far back as 1877" - sorry.
Your argument is flawed that just because something has been useful for
many years, that it's no longer useful only because Apple told you so.
On 2023-12-01 10:33, rocco portelli wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
The original TR "patch cable" in this style emerged sometime in the >>>>>> 1870's. The 3.5 TRS/TRRS designs we see today descend therefrom. (as >>>>>> far back as 1977, actually - so I'll update my comments going
forward).
oops- "as far back as 1877" - sorry.
Your argument is flawed that just because something has been useful for >>>> many years, that it's no longer useful only because Apple told you so.
That's not his argument.
He's repeating it works for far too long for Apple to sell you more
stuff.
That's not even a parseable sentence.
Your argument is flawed that just because something has been useful for >>>>> many years, that it's no longer useful only because Apple told you so. >>>>That's not his argument.
He's repeating it works for far too long for Apple to sell you more
stuff.
That's not even a parseable sentence.
Thanks - I jammed on it and decided that ignoring it was a better thing.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
Your argument is flawed that just because something has been useful for >>>>>> many years, that it's no longer useful only because Apple told you so. >>>>>That's not his argument.
He's repeating it works for far too long for Apple to sell you more {AAA} >>>> stuff.
That's not even a parseable sentence.
Thanks - I jammed on it and decided that ignoring it was a better thing.
You're jamming on your own argument? WTF?
You're constantly making the date alone the entirety of your argument.
Why does the date something that works was invented matter so much to you?
You're jamming on your own argument? WTF?
No - jammed on your gibberish English above. See: {AAA}
You're constantly making the date alone the entirety of your argument.
Not at all. The date is just a label for a point in time.
And (Pro tip follows): If you don't like what Apple does, there is
nobody forcing you to buy their products.
Why does the date something that works was invented matter so much to you?
I'm not hung up on the date so much as the basic "technology" has been replaced by better things.
And (Pro tip follows): If you don't like what Apple does, there isPro tip to you. I didn't make the mistake of buying an Apple product that
nobody forcing you to buy their products.
is missing basic things. You did. I'm not making up excuses. You are.
On 2023-12-02 11:32, rocco portelli wrote:
And (Pro tip follows): If you don't like what Apple does, there isPro tip to you. I didn't make the mistake of buying an Apple product that is missing basic things. You did. I'm not making up excuses. You are.
nobody forcing you to buy their products.
And a very basic tip for you:
Features exist to provide functionality. The "basic thing" is the functionality, not the feature that delivers it.
The headphone jack provides ONE functionality: connecting to audio devices such as earbuds, earphones, speakers.
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Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-12-02 11:32, rocco portelli wrote:
And (Pro tip follows): If you don't like what Apple does, there isPro tip to you. I didn't make the mistake of buying an Apple product that >>> is missing basic things. You did. I'm not making up excuses. You are.
nobody forcing you to buy their products.
And a very basic tip for you:
Features exist to provide functionality. The "basic thing" is the
functionality, not the feature that delivers it.
The headphone jack provides ONE functionality: connecting to audio devices >> such as earbuds, earphones, speakers.
The headphone jack used to provide two functionalities to some phones: connecting audio devices, and connecting an antenna for the FM radio.
Only some phones have FM radio, and I neither know nor care whether
iPhones do.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
You're jamming on your own argument? WTF?
No - jammed on your gibberish English above. See: {AAA}
What I said was you are confused by your own argument that the only thing that seems to matter to you is the date something useful was invented.
You're constantly making the date alone the entirety of your argument.
Not at all. The date is just a label for a point in time.
Then stop bringing up the date as if it's the only criteria you have.
And (Pro tip follows): If you don't like what Apple does, there is
nobody forcing you to buy their products.
Pro tip to you. I didn't make the mistake of buying an Apple product that
is missing basic things. You did. I'm not making up excuses. You are.
Why does the date something that works was invented matter so much to you? >>I'm not hung up on the date so much as the basic "technology" has been
replaced by better things.
What that excuse really means is you can't find anything wrong with it.
So you make your entire argument that it has been working for a long time.
To you, that's bad.
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Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-12-02 11:32, rocco portelli wrote:
And (Pro tip follows): If you don't like what Apple does, there is
nobody forcing you to buy their products.
Pro tip to you. I didn't make the mistake of buying an Apple product that >>> is missing basic things. You did. I'm not making up excuses. You are.
And a very basic tip for you:
Features exist to provide functionality. The "basic thing" is the
functionality, not the feature that delivers it.
The headphone jack provides ONE functionality: connecting to audio devices >> such as earbuds, earphones, speakers.
The headphone jack used to provide two functionalities to some phones: connecting audio devices, and connecting an antenna for the FM radio.
Only some phones have FM radio, and I neither know nor care whether
iPhones do.
And (Pro tip follows): If you don't like what Apple does, there is
nobody forcing you to buy their products.
Pro tip to you. I didn't make the mistake of buying an Apple product that >>>> is missing basic things. You did. I'm not making up excuses. You are.
And a very basic tip for you:
Features exist to provide functionality. The "basic thing" is the
functionality, not the feature that delivers it.
The headphone jack provides ONE functionality: connecting to audio devices >>> such as earbuds, earphones, speakers.
The headphone jack used to provide two functionalities to some phones:
connecting audio devices, and connecting an antenna for the FM radio.
Only some phones have FM radio, and I neither know nor care whether
iPhones do.
The newer Samsung phones do not have headphone jacks or FM radio
either. It has simply become a niche tech that most people do not need
and eventually the removal *will* ripple down product lines to all
models of phones from almost every maker (the exception being some
niche makers with high priced, low production models).
Those who don't like it will simply have to deal with it and no amount
of whining by the cross-posting anti-Apple nutter trolls will ever
change that fact.
Anyone who keeps whining about it will simply get put in my killfile as
the morons they are.
What I said was you are confused by your own argument that the only thing
that seems to matter to you is the date something useful was invented.
Not confused at all. Oceans of clarity here. And it's not the only
thing that matters. Had you been in on this (and other discussions of
the kind) earlier that would be clear to you.
You're constantly making the date alone the entirety of your argument.
Not at all. The date is just a label for a point in time.
Then stop bringing up the date as if it's the only criteria you have.
Who said it was the only criteria I have. There are other reasons why
this dated technology should go, including the bulkiness of the female
end of it that takes up precious internal room inside the phone and of
course newer connectors (such as Lightning and USB-C) offer far more versatility and data bandwidth.
And (Pro tip follows): If you don't like what Apple does, there is
nobody forcing you to buy their products.
Pro tip to you. I didn't make the mistake of buying an Apple product that
is missing basic things. You did. I'm not making up excuses. You are.
No mistake. I knew it didn't have that audio jack port and I've never
missed the audio-jack port at all. Not once.
As Alan adroitly points out: the functionality is still there. Just the connector changed. And now offers more functionality.
Why does the date something that works was invented matter so much to you? >>>I'm not hung up on the date so much as the basic "technology" has been
replaced by better things.
What that excuse really means is you can't find anything wrong with it.
If all that port had to do was audio, it would be acceptable.
But it's not a port that does one thing anymore.
So discard the audio jack and put in something far more versatile.
So you make your entire argument that it has been working for a long time. >>
To you, that's bad.
The reason I bring up the "age" of it is to illustrate that it was a
solution for a time.
As things evolve we discard what is better done by something else.
And of course, if you don't like the absence of the audio jack, that
just limits your choices.
On 12/2/2023 7:17 PM, Your Name wrote:
And a very basic tip for you:And (Pro tip follows): If you don't like what Apple does, there is >>>>>> nobody forcing you to buy their products.
Pro tip to you. I didn't make the mistake of buying an Apple product that >>>>> is missing basic things. You did. I'm not making up excuses. You are. >>>>
Features exist to provide functionality. The "basic thing" is the
functionality, not the feature that delivers it.
The headphone jack provides ONE functionality: connecting to audio devices
such as earbuds, earphones, speakers.
The headphone jack used to provide two functionalities to some phones:
connecting audio devices, and connecting an antenna for the FM radio.
Only some phones have FM radio, and I neither know nor care whether
iPhones do.
The newer Samsung phones do not have headphone jacks or FM radio
either. It has simply become a niche tech that most people do not need
and eventually the removal *will* ripple down product lines to all
models of phones from almost every maker (the exception being some
niche makers with high priced, low production models).
Those who don't like it will simply have to deal with it and no amount
of whining by the cross-posting anti-Apple nutter trolls will ever
change that fact.
Anyone who keeps whining about it will simply get put in my killfile as
the morons they are.
Given most Android phones have the aux port (yes, even most Samsung phones) why is it only the Apple iPhone owners who are whining that they can't do what most Android phones have always been able to do with the aux port?
It's their fault they bought the iPhone that lacked all the basic hardware. Now they have to deal with that loss by buying more things to make it work.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
What I said was you are confused by your own argument that the only thing >>> that seems to matter to you is the date something useful was invented.
Not confused at all. Oceans of clarity here. And it's not the only
thing that matters. Had you been in on this (and other discussions of
the kind) earlier that would be clear to you.
You condescendingly claim that it's not clear to me that your entire
argument hinges singularly on the technology working for a very long time.
To you, that's bad.
You're constantly making the date alone the entirety of your argument. >>>>Not at all. The date is just a label for a point in time.
Then stop bringing up the date as if it's the only criteria you have.
Who said it was the only criteria I have. There are other reasons why
this dated technology should go, including the bulkiness of the female
end of it that takes up precious internal room inside the phone and of
course newer connectors (such as Lightning and USB-C) offer far more
versatility and data bandwidth.
There are plenty of small phones with less "internal room" than an iPhone. And they have the connectors and ports that all the new iPhones now lack.
And (Pro tip follows): If you don't like what Apple does, there is
nobody forcing you to buy their products.
Pro tip to you. I didn't make the mistake of buying an Apple product that >>> is missing basic things. You did. I'm not making up excuses. You are.
No mistake. I knew it didn't have that audio jack port and I've never
missed the audio-jack port at all. Not once.
Then why are you constantly complaining that everyone but you has it?
Just own up to the fact you have to buy stuff to replace what Apple took.
As Alan adroitly points out: the functionality is still there. Just the
connector changed. And now offers more functionality.
Again, your entire argument is you don't like technology that just works.
You want to have to buy things to make what Apple took away work again.
Why does the date something that works was invented matter so much to you?
I'm not hung up on the date so much as the basic "technology" has been >>>> replaced by better things.
What that excuse really means is you can't find anything wrong with it.
If all that port had to do was audio, it would be acceptable.
Did you ever wonder why Apple removes standard functionality from iPhones?
But it's not a port that does one thing anymore.
Did it ever occur to you that you now have to buy back what Apple removed?
So discard the audio jack and put in something far more versatile.
It seems you complain only because you're sorry you bought the wrong phone.
So you make your entire argument that it has been working for a long time. >>>
To you, that's bad.
The reason I bring up the "age" of it is to illustrate that it was a
solution for a time.
The reason you bring up that it has been working for a long time is you
don't like that it "just works" and has "just worked" for a very long time.
As things evolve we discard what is better done by something else.
You want to buy more stuff to make what Apple took away work again for you.
And of course, if you don't like the absence of the audio jack, that
just limits your choices.
Again you complain that the iPhone lacking the jack limited your choices,
so you're tacitly admitting your problem is you bought the wrong phone.
If you had a phone with the jack, you'd have all those choices you lack.
On 12/2/2023 7:17 PM, Your Name wrote:
And a very basic tip for you:And (Pro tip follows): If you don't like what Apple does, there is >>>>>> nobody forcing you to buy their products.
Pro tip to you. I didn't make the mistake of buying an Apple
product that
is missing basic things. You did. I'm not making up excuses. You are. >>>>
Features exist to provide functionality. The "basic thing" is the
functionality, not the feature that delivers it.
The headphone jack provides ONE functionality: connecting to audio
devices
such as earbuds, earphones, speakers.
The headphone jack used to provide two functionalities to some phones:
connecting audio devices, and connecting an antenna for the FM radio.
Only some phones have FM radio, and I neither know nor care whether
iPhones do.
The newer Samsung phones do not have headphone jacks or FM radio
either. It has simply become a niche tech that most people do not need
and eventually the removal *will* ripple down product lines to all
models of phones from almost every maker (the exception being some
niche makers with high priced, low production models).
Those who don't like it will simply have to deal with it and no amount
of whining by the cross-posting anti-Apple nutter trolls will ever
change that fact.
Anyone who keeps whining about it will simply get put in my killfile
as the morons they are.
Given most Android phones have the aux port (yes, even most Samsung phones) why is it only the Apple iPhone owners who are whining that they can't do what most Android phones have always been able to do with the aux port?
It's their fault they bought the iPhone that lacked all the basic hardware. Now they have to deal with that loss by buying more things to make it work.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
What I said was you are confused by your own argument that the only thing >>> that seems to matter to you is the date something useful was invented.
Not confused at all. Oceans of clarity here. And it's not the only
thing that matters. Had you been in on this (and other discussions of
the kind) earlier that would be clear to you.
You condescendingly claim that it's not clear to me that your entire
argument hinges singularly on the technology working for a very long time.
Most consumers aren't even aware that their phone could be used as an FM radio...
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