I talked to the chat line. I asked if the
Android was the open source version of the Google
version. He said they were the same. Am I missing
something?
I also asked if the preinstalled Google apps could be
remove or just disabled. He said just disabled.
(Makes me wonder if there is any background spying
that is hidden away preinstalled as well.)
My wife is after Google Free (she hates being spied on).
Is there a google free android out there?
Am 29.10.23 um 11:12 schrieb T:
Hi All,
My wife has her eye on this
https://www.samsung.com/us/tablets/galaxy-tab-s9-fe/buy/
I talked to the chat line. I asked if the
Android was the open source version of the Google
version. He said they were the same. Am I missing
something?
I also asked if the preinstalled Google apps could be
remove or just disabled. He said just disabled.
(Makes me wonder if there is any background spying
that is hidden away preinstalled as well.)
My wife is after Google Free (she hates being spied on).
Is there a google free android out there?
Yes. But not on Samsung hardware.
Buy your wife an iPad.
In article <uhlb73$3qm9e$1@dont-email.me>, T@invalid.invalid (T) wrote:
I talked to the chat line. I asked if the
Android was the open source version of the Google
version. He said they were the same. Am I missing
something?
This is mildly complicated. Google develops the core operating system in private. When they are ready to ship a new release or an update, they
make the new version of the core operating system available through the "Android Open Source Project" (AOSP). That is the basic operating system,
but is not exactly what commercial devices have.
Hardware and device drivers for Android devices are not standardised, not even a little bit, and the drivers are almost all closed-source. Android
for a particular device needs device drivers to operate the hardware, so Android images are created by the device and/or System-on-Chip
manufacturer.
Many Android applications also depend on Google Play Services, a closed-source software package produced by Google. This allows them to
access the Play Store for apps, and provides a lot of other services. In practice, any device that is branded "Android" will have Google Play Services. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Play_Services> That
certainly includes Samsung tablets.
I also asked if the preinstalled Google apps could be
remove or just disabled. He said just disabled.
(Makes me wonder if there is any background spying
that is hidden away preinstalled as well.)
The pre-installed apps are stored in storage that's read-only while the
OS is running. You can disable them, but you can't remove them without removing the OS and installing a different one.
My wife is after Google Free (she hates being spied on).
Is there a google free android out there?
Not that is called "Android". If you want an Android-like device without
the Google stuff, you're looking at customised Android distributions. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_custom_Android_distributions>
There are quite a few of these, but they have a common problem: they
don't have support for many phones/tablets. Linux on PCs has lots of open-source device drivers available. Android hardware manufacturers keep their device drivers closed, so supporting their hardware requires
writing new drivers, and this often requires reverse engineering.
The best-supported open-source customised Android for the
English-speaking world is LineageOS, <https://www.lineageos.org/>, which
has about a million users, as compared to over a billion for ordinary Android. The devices it has support for rarely include the latest models: here's the list of supported Samsungs: <https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/#samsung>.
There is also Amazon Fire OS <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_OS>,
which only supports Amazon's tablets. It doesn't have Google, but has
roughly equivalent Amazon monitoring. I find Google less annoying.
John
Hi All,
My wife has her eye on this
https://www.samsung.com/us/tablets/galaxy-tab-s9-fe/buy/
I talked to the chat line. I asked if the
Android was the open source version of the Google
version. He said they were the same. Am I missing
something?
I also asked if the preinstalled Google apps could be
remove or just disabled. He said just disabled.
(Makes me wonder if there is any background spying
that is hidden away preinstalled as well.)
My wife is after Google Free (she hates being spied on).
Is there a google free android out there?
Thank you!
There would not be a Linux tablet out there yet?
On 10/29/23 03:35, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 29.10.23 um 11:12 schrieb T:
Hi All,
My wife has her eye on this
https://www.samsung.com/us/tablets/galaxy-tab-s9-fe/buy/
I talked to the chat line. I asked if the
Android was the open source version of the Google
version. He said they were the same. Am I missing
something?
I also asked if the preinstalled Google apps could be
remove or just disabled. He said just disabled.
(Makes me wonder if there is any background spying
that is hidden away preinstalled as well.)
My wife is after Google Free (she hates being spied on).
Is there a google free android out there?
Yes. But not on Samsung hardware.
Who?
Buy your wife an iPad.
She looked at one, but found it a bit too weird
to operate.
Hi All,
My wife has her eye on this
https://www.samsung.com/us/tablets/galaxy-tab-s9-fe/buy/
I talked to the chat line. I asked if the
Android was the open source version of the Google
version. He said they were the same. Am I missing
something?
I also asked if the preinstalled Google apps could be
remove or just disabled. He said just disabled.
(Makes me wonder if there is any background spying
that is hidden away preinstalled as well.)
Is there a google free android out there?
There would not be a Linux tablet out there yet?
On 10/29/23 03:35, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Buy your wife an iPad.
She looked at one, but found it a bit too weird
to operate.
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 10/29/23 03:35, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 29.10.23 um 11:12 schrieb T:
Hi All,
My wife has her eye on this
https://www.samsung.com/us/tablets/galaxy-tab-s9-fe/buy/
I talked to the chat line. I asked if the
Android was the open source version of the Google
version. He said they were the same. Am I missing
something?
I also asked if the preinstalled Google apps could be
remove or just disabled. He said just disabled.
(Makes me wonder if there is any background spying
that is hidden away preinstalled as well.)
My wife is after Google Free (she hates being spied on).
Is there a google free android out there?
Yes. But not on Samsung hardware.
Who?
See John's responses.
But unless you want to research, tinker, etc., etc. a *lot*,
alternative Android distributions are more a problem than a solution.
You might get an *OS*, but you don't get (m)any apps. And if you *do*
want/need every day apps, you *will* get Google stuff (Play Store,
Google Play Services, Google Apps, etc.) whether you like it or not.
It's a bit like asking you want Windows, but you want it to be
Microsoft-free. No such animal.
Buy your wife an iPad.
She looked at one, but found it a bit too weird
to operate.
Tough! Either a good brand Android, i.e. like Samsung, or an iPad.
Those are your only realistic options.
On 10/29/23 6:25 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 10/29/23 03:35, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 29.10.23 um 11:12 schrieb T:
Hi All,
My wife has her eye on this
https://www.samsung.com/us/tablets/galaxy-tab-s9-fe/buy/
I talked to the chat line. I asked if the
Android was the open source version of the Google
version. He said they were the same. Am I missing
something?
I also asked if the preinstalled Google apps could be
remove or just disabled. He said just disabled.
(Makes me wonder if there is any background spying
that is hidden away preinstalled as well.)
My wife is after Google Free (she hates being spied on).
Is there a google free android out there?
Yes. But not on Samsung hardware.
Who?
See John's responses.
But unless you want to research, tinker, etc., etc. a *lot*,
alternative Android distributions are more a problem than a solution.
You might get an *OS*, but you don't get (m)any apps. And if you *do*
want/need every day apps, you *will* get Google stuff (Play Store,
Google Play Services, Google Apps, etc.) whether you like it or not.
It's a bit like asking you want Windows, but you want it to be
Microsoft-free. No such animal.
Buy your wife an iPad.
She looked at one, but found it a bit too weird
to operate.
Tough! Either a good brand Android, i.e. like Samsung, or an iPad.
Those are your only realistic options.
There are also Chrome OS tablets like this Lenovo Duet 3 I'm posting with.
It came with a detachable keyboard case that I seldom use but would be
handy on trips. I've had no trouble running any of the Android apps that I
use (YMMV)...
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
On 10/29/23 6:25 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 10/29/23 03:35, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 29.10.23 um 11:12 schrieb T:
Hi All,
My wife has her eye on this
https://www.samsung.com/us/tablets/galaxy-tab-s9-fe/buy/
I talked to the chat line. I asked if the
Android was the open source version of the Google
version. He said they were the same. Am I missing
something?
I also asked if the preinstalled Google apps could be
remove or just disabled. He said just disabled.
(Makes me wonder if there is any background spying
that is hidden away preinstalled as well.)
My wife is after Google Free (she hates being spied on).
Is there a google free android out there?
Yes. But not on Samsung hardware.
Who?
See John's responses.
But unless you want to research, tinker, etc., etc. a *lot*,
alternative Android distributions are more a problem than a solution.
You might get an *OS*, but you don't get (m)any apps. And if you *do*
want/need every day apps, you *will* get Google stuff (Play Store,
Google Play Services, Google Apps, etc.) whether you like it or not.
It's a bit like asking you want Windows, but you want it to be
Microsoft-free. No such animal.
Buy your wife an iPad.
She looked at one, but found it a bit too weird
to operate.
Tough! Either a good brand Android, i.e. like Samsung, or an iPad.
Those are your only realistic options.
There are also Chrome OS tablets like this Lenovo Duet 3 I'm posting with. >> It came with a detachable keyboard case that I seldom use but would be
handy on trips. I've had no trouble running any of the Android apps that I >> use (YMMV)...
Yes, there are other choices, but considering T's/T's-wife's dislike
for Google, Chrome OS isn't a realistic option either.
As T hasn't bothered telling us *what* his wife wants to *do* with the
tablet, giving advice/suggestions is a tad hard.
IIRC, he asked the same/similar 'questions' not too long ago and since
then, little to nothing has changed, not the 'questions' and hence not
the 'answers'.
My wife has her eye on this
https://www.samsung.com/us/tablets/galaxy-tab-s9-fe/buy/
I talked to the chat line. I asked if the
Android was the open source version of the Google
version. He said they were the same. Am I missing
something?
I also asked if the preinstalled Google apps could be
remove or just disabled. He said just disabled.
(Makes me wonder if there is any background spying
that is hidden away preinstalled as well.)
My wife is after Google Free (she hates being spied on).
Is there a google free android out there?
On 10/29/23 9:00 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
There are also Chrome OS tablets like this Lenovo Duet 3 I'm posting with. >> It came with a detachable keyboard case that I seldom use but would be
handy on trips. I've had no trouble running any of the Android apps that I
use (YMMV)...
Yes, there are other choices, but considering T's/T's-wife's dislike
for Google, Chrome OS isn't a realistic option either.
Perhaps there are others lurking here besides the T's that are also
interested in the same question.
As T hasn't bothered telling us *what* his wife wants to *do* with the
tablet, giving advice/suggestions is a tad hard.
IIRC, he asked the same/similar 'questions' not too long ago and since
then, little to nothing has changed, not the 'questions' and hence not
the 'answers'.
Better than a dead group IMO. YMMV...
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
Better than a dead group IMO. YMMV...
You *really* should get out more! Just kidding. Again a valid point. I don't have (m)any dead groups, but as you say, YMMV.
So we'll happily chit chat along.
There would not be a Linux tablet out there yet?
There are some, but before you buy one, you should try to get your requirements clear. The Android ecosystem means there are apps for most needs, but Linux tablets don't have nearly so much software available.
<https://itsfoss.com/linux-tablets/>
<https://itslinuxfoss.com/best-linux-tablets/>
The real trouble is that the preinstalled _Samsung_ apps can't be
removed, and some can't even be disabled.
adb shell pm list packages -s | findstr /i "samsung" | findstr "knox"-> package:com.samsung.android.knox.kpecore
adb shell pm path com.samsung.knox.securefolder-> package:/system/priv-app/SecureFolder/SecureFolder.apk
adb shell pm dump com.samsung.knox.securefolder-> {too much stuff}
adb shell am force-stop com.samsung.knox.securefolder-> {no complaints}
adb shell pm disable-user --user 0 com.samsung.knox.securefolder-> Package com.samsung.knox.securefolder new state: disabled-user
adb shell pm list packages -e | findstr knox-> package:com.samsung.android.knox.kpecore
adb shell pm list packages -d | findstr /i "knox"-> package:com.samsung.knox.securefolder
adb shell pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.knox.securefolder-> Success
adb shell pm path com.samsung.knox.securefolder-> {now finds nothing}
adb shell pm list packages -u | findstr /i "samsung" | findstr "knox"-> package:com.samsung.android.knox.kpecore
adb shell dumpsys package packages | findStr /i "knox" | findstr ".apk$"-> {stuff}
adb pull /system/priv-app/SecureFolder/SecureFolder.apk-> /system/priv-app/SecureFolder/SecureFolder.apk: 1 file pulled, 0 skipped. 29.1 MB/s (13579951 bytes in 0.445s)
adb shell cmd package install-existing com.samsung.knox.securefolder-> Package com.samsung.knox.securefolder installed for user: 0
I feel that statement is slightly wrong in that for any given user
on Android (where most of us have Android set up for only one user),
you certainly can disable and uninstall any app on the phone (AFAIK).
Android is Open Source - also see <https://source.android.com/>.
But manufacturers like Samsung, Xiaomi, Huawei etc. do usually *not*
just put Android as it is on their devices but customize it with their
own proprietary modifications like a number of Samsung specific apps and
a Samsung specific user interface.
I feel that statement is slightly wrong in that for any given user
on Android (where most of us have Android set up for only one user),
you certainly can disable and uninstall any app on the phone (AFAIK).
Have you tried it?
I did, and Samsung's Phone app, Messages app, and
Contacts app had no way in the UI to uninstall or disable them. Even
the setting for "Remove permissions if app is unused" was grayed out
(I didn't check the other two).
adb pm uninstall --user 0 com.android.chrome
In article <uhlep4$3rdbf$3@dont-email.me>, T@invalid.invalid (T) wrote:
Thank you!
There would not be a Linux tablet out there yet?
There are some, but before you buy one, you should try to get your requirements clear. The Android ecosystem means there are apps for most needs, but Linux tablets don't have nearly so much software available.
<https://itsfoss.com/linux-tablets/>
<https://itslinuxfoss.com/best-linux-tablets/>
John
Am 29.10.23 um 12:08 schrieb T:
On 10/29/23 03:35, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Buy your wife an iPad.
She looked at one, but found it a bit too weird
to operate.
There are not many people saying that.
On 10/29/23 03:35, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Buy your wife an iPad.
She looked at one, but found it a bit too weird
to operate.
There are not many people saying that.
Indeed. Otherwise folks would not pay extra for them.
But personal tastes vary. She carries on about having
to use double the strokes to do what she typically does.
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote
On 10/29/23 03:35, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Buy your wife an iPad.
She looked at one, but found it a bit too weird
to operate.
There are not many people saying that.
Indeed. Otherwise folks would not pay extra for them.
But personal tastes vary. She carries on about having
to use double the strokes to do what she typically does.
Consider the source.
a. My credibility is 100%
b. Jeorg's credibility is 0%
Hence, I wouldn't take any advice from Joerg Lorenz, since he only reads Apple advertisements, which don't tell you that there are thousands of very useful things you can't do on iOS that every other operating system does.
For example, only on iOS can you _not_ have the privacy of the Tor Browser. And only on iOS can you not set up a system wide firewall like NetGuard.
There is no privacy on iOS since you _must_ not only _create_ a mothership tracking account - but Apple will lock you out of your own device if you don't keep constantly logging into that account every day of your life.
If you don't believe that, look at this thread where I took three iPads.
1. I logged into it every time Apple asked me to
2. I logged into it once - and never again
3. Same with the third iPad except I tried to unlock my AppleID
In the first case, everything works fine.
In the second, the AppleAccount was locked unilaterally by Apple.
In the third, Apple literally bricked the iPad (Activation Required).
Only last week did I walk down to the Apple store and allow them to write
my government ID into their databases - so that they'd unlock the 2nd.
I'm not sure what I'm going to do about the third.
I'll document all this up but what the point is that on Android the phone works perfectly fine without logging into the Google mothership.
On iOS, you _must_ log into the Apple mothership tracking servers.
None of this does Jeorg know so that's why I wouldn't listen to him.
Honestly, almost nobody knows this because who would go years without
logging into their iPads but people like me who test out the system.
For details, see this thread on the child-like Apple newsgroup.
*Apple finally let me log into my own iPad to use it*
*(after years of holding my AppleID hostage)*
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/wrqMIO5eLzg>
But it is only available or a limited number of devices and only
preinstalled on devices by Murena.
Android that is free of Google in
Android that is free of Google in
that one
Love TOR!
Discerning lady! I've always found the iPad UI disappointing; I rue the
day my wife was persuaded to buy one. But people who've never known
anything better get used to it. I've used Androids tablets ever since,
though I use an iPhone (it was free) and the UI, while still weird IMO, is not such a limitation.
On 10/29/23 07:58, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 29.10.23 um 12:08 schrieb T:
On 10/29/23 03:35, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Buy your wife an iPad.
She looked at one, but found it a bit too weird
to operate.
There are not many people saying that.
Indeed. Otherwise folks would not pay extra for them.
But personal tastes vary. She carries on about having
to use double the strokes to do what she typically does.
But people who've never known
anything better get used to it. I've used Androids tablets ever since,
though I use an iPhone (it was free) and the UI, while still weird IMO, is not such a limitation.
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote
Love TOR!
The morons like Joerg have no clue that iOS can't do thousands (upon thousands) of useful things that we do for privacy on all other operating systems (not just on Android).
The TOR Browser is one of those privacy things Apple won't allow on iOS.
*Can I run Tor Browser on an iOS device?*
<https://support.torproject.org/tormobile/tormobile-3/>\
"Apple requires browsers on iOS to use something called Webkit,
which prevents any browser from having the same privacy protections
as Tor Browser."
While Apple advertises privacy, the problem is you can't do thousands
(upon thousands!) of useful privacy-related things on the iOS platform.
For example, you can't spoof your GPS location no matter how hard you try.
Meanwhile, it's trivial to spoof your GPS location on the Android device.
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lexa.fakegps>
Just remember, people like Joerg Lorenz only read Apple advertisements.
They don't know anything about Apple products.
I use both Android & iOS every single day.
I know the difference.
And it's not pretty.
Suffice to say there is no privacy possible on Apple devices, mainly
because of these limitations and the requirement to be logged into Apple mothership tracking servers every single moment of your device's life.
On 29 Oct 2023 17:14:45 -0700 T wrote:
On 10/29/23 07:58, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 29.10.23 um 12:08 schrieb T:
On 10/29/23 03:35, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Buy your wife an iPad.
She looked at one, but found it a bit too weird
to operate.
There are not many people saying that.
Indeed. Otherwise folks would not pay extra for them.
But personal tastes vary. She carries on about having
to use double the strokes to do what she typically does.
Discerning lady! I've always found the iPad UI disappointing; I rue the
day my wife was persuaded to buy one. But people who've never known
anything better get used to it. I've used Androids tablets ever since,
though I use an iPhone (it was free) and the UI, while still weird IMO, is not such a limitation.
And, to be fair, my prior experience of tablets, albeit small ones, was
Linux on a Zaurus, then Maemo on a Nokia.
(Mobile Firefox first appeared on Maemo - it had panels off the sides of
the display which could be swiped into view IIRC. It was simplified later
for Android.)
As you say, personal tastes vary.
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote
Android that is free of Google in
that one
Since I can't root my Galaxy A32-5G (SM-A326U), I haven't tried,
but there are ways (as others said) to install AOSP Android.
Maybe someone here can explain the basic steps of how to do that?
Arno mentioned "LineageOS: Fastboot, bootloader unlock etc." but what we'd need is a working bootloader-specific tutorial where most are in chinglish, hence unusable (since you can't be guessing at the steps the first time).
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote
Love TOR!
The morons like Joerg have no clue that iOS can't do thousands (upon thousands) of useful things that we do for privacy on all other operating systems (not just on Android).
The TOR Browser is one of those privacy things Apple won't allow on iOS.
*Can I run Tor Browser on an iOS device?*
<https://support.torproject.org/tormobile/tormobile-3/>\
"Apple requires browsers on iOS to use something called Webkit,
which prevents any browser from having the same privacy protections
as Tor Browser."
While Apple advertises privacy, the problem is you can't do thousands
(upon thousands!) of useful privacy-related things on the iOS platform.
For example, you can't spoof your GPS location no matter how hard you try.
Meanwhile, it's trivial to spoof your GPS location on the Android device.
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lexa.fakegps>
Just remember, people like Joerg Lorenz only read Apple advertisements.
They don't know anything about Apple products.
I use both Android & iOS every single day.
I know the difference.
And it's not pretty.
Suffice to say there is no privacy possible on Apple devices, mainly
because of these limitations and the requirement to be logged into Apple mothership tracking servers every single moment of your device's life.
On 29 Oct 2023 17:14:45 -0700 T wrote:
On 10/29/23 07:58, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 29.10.23 um 12:08 schrieb T:
On 10/29/23 03:35, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Buy your wife an iPad.
She looked at one, but found it a bit too weird
to operate.
There are not many people saying that.
Indeed. Otherwise folks would not pay extra for them.
But personal tastes vary. She carries on about having
to use double the strokes to do what she typically does.
Discerning lady! I've always found the iPad UI disappointing; I rue the
day my wife was persuaded to buy one. But people who've never known
anything better get used to it. I've used Androids tablets ever since,
though I use an iPhone (it was free) and the UI, while still weird IMO, is not such a limitation.
And, to be fair, my prior experience of tablets, albeit small ones, was
Linux on a Zaurus, then Maemo on a Nokia.
(Mobile Firefox first appeared on Maemo - it had panels off the sides of
the display which could be swiped into view IIRC. It was simplified later
for Android.)
As you say, personal tastes vary.
On 10/30/23 01:09, Dave Royal wrote:
On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 03:05:22 -0700, T wrote:
On 10/30/23 01:09, Dave Royal wrote:
You seem to be double-posting fairly often, though not
every article. If i's a matter of not seeing your
article in the newsgroup and assuming it didn't go
through, please wait a little longer before making that
assumption and reposting. Thanks!
On 10/29/23 10:55 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
Better than a dead group IMO. YMMV...
You *really* should get out more! Just kidding. Again a valid point. I don't have (m)any dead groups, but as you say, YMMV.
You're fortunate. Only my tech groups are still alive; the interest
groups -- skiing, motorcycling, bicycling, frugality -- died long ago.
Some of the people have transferred to Facebook, but many are unwilling
to put up with FB's crap. I'm pretty tough, though...
So we'll happily chit chat along.
Sometimes folks want me to work on iPads/iPhones (I am a
computer consultant to small business) when I am
there working on their computers. I have noticed that
the "gestures" vary greatly between version of iOS.
Drives me nuts. I can't tell you how many times I have
had to ask the customer "Where is settings, this week?
And what do I swipe this week to get at it?"
I have not seen this on customer's or my wife's Android(s).
On 10/29/23 07:58, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 29.10.23 um 12:08 schrieb T:
On 10/29/23 03:35, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Buy your wife an iPad.
She looked at one, but found it a bit too weird
to operate.
There are not many people saying that.
Indeed. Otherwise folks would not pay extra for them.
But personal tastes vary. She carries on about having
to use double the strokes to do what she typically does.
On 10/29/23 04:43, John Dallman wrote:
In article <uhlep4$3rdbf$3@dont-email.me>, T@invalid.invalid (T) wrote:
Thank you!
There would not be a Linux tablet out there yet?
There are some, but before you buy one, you should try to get your requirements clear. The Android ecosystem means there are apps for most needs, but Linux tablets don't have nearly so much software available.
<https://itsfoss.com/linux-tablets/>
<https://itslinuxfoss.com/best-linux-tablets/>
John
Same drawback in the Desktop world as well.
She only uses firefox, brave, Thunderbird,
Kindle, writer.
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 10/29/23 04:43, John Dallman wrote:
In article <uhlep4$3rdbf$3@dont-email.me>, T@invalid.invalid (T) wrote:
Thank you!
There would not be a Linux tablet out there yet?
There are some, but before you buy one, you should try to get your
requirements clear. The Android ecosystem means there are apps for most
needs, but Linux tablets don't have nearly so much software available.
<https://itsfoss.com/linux-tablets/>
<https://itslinuxfoss.com/best-linux-tablets/>
John
Same drawback in the Desktop world as well.
She only uses firefox, brave, Thunderbird,
Kindle, writer.
Have you considered getting her a *Windows* tablet?
We know what *you* prefer (Linux), but what about *her* *needs* (not
vague/unsubstantiated 'dislikes').
For iPads/iPhones there are obviously less such problems, because it's
only one brand and much fewer models.
Discerning lady! I've always found the iPad UI disappointing; I rue the
day my wife was persuaded to buy one. But people who've never known
anything better get used to it. I've used Androids tablets ever since,
though I use an iPhone (it was free) and the UI, while still weird IMO, is not such a limitation.
And, to be fair, my prior experience of tablets, albeit small ones, was
Linux on a Zaurus, then Maemo on a Nokia.
(Mobile Firefox first appeared on Maemo - it had panels off the sides of
the display which could be swiped into view IIRC. It was simplified later
for Android.)
As you say, personal tastes vary.
Judging by the headers, they're posting from Eternal September. It's
been having an issue where it doesn't return a confirmation message or something.
Since I can't root my Galaxy A32-5G (SM-A326U), I haven't tried,
but there are ways (as others said) to install AOSP Android.
Maybe someone here can explain the basic steps of how to do that?
Arno mentioned "LineageOS: Fastboot, bootloader unlock etc." but what we'd >> need is a working bootloader-specific tutorial where most are in chinglish, >> hence unusable (since you can't be guessing at the steps the first time).
Such instructions are usually device specific, which is why you have to
find a distro that supports your phone and follow their instructions.
Most of the 'blog posts' on this out there are clickbait and outdated.
If you have a Pixel 4 or later, GrapheneOS have a WebUSB installer which
is fairly straightforward and doesn't need any extra software: you just
work down the instructions on one page, clicking the buttons to install various pieces:
https://grapheneos.org/install/web
There are some strong limitations on which platforms and browsers you
can run it on (Windows and Mac are easiest, Linux distros have some significant caveats), but if you fulfill the requirements it is a fairly smooth process.
You may be able to do it from another Android phone (running Chrome).
(GrapheneOS is not pure AOSP, they have their own extras. But they
general make the de-Googled experience more usable and secure than pure
AOSP, which is quite neglected these days)
On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 03:05:22 -0700, T wrote:
On 10/30/23 01:09, Dave Royal wrote:
You seem to be double-posting fairly often, though not
every article. If i's a matter of not seeing your
article in the newsgroup and assuming it didn't go
through, please wait a little longer before making that
assumption and reposting. Thanks!
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote
Judging by the headers, they're posting from Eternal September. It's
been having an issue where it doesn't return a confirmation message or
something.
I have to agree that Eternal September has been doing that to me recently.
There isn't anything I can do on my side as I already changed the response period to a couple of minutes and it still "says" it failed even then.
Personally, I think ChromeOS, which I've never used, by the way, is an attempt to restrict the user tremendously - just like with Apple iPads.
As you say, personal tastes vary.
I have studied this phenomena and I do NOT think it's personal tastes, so much as it's the psychology of marketing imbibing fear into some people.
I have both iOS & Android where I don't think it's personal taste so much
as the people who buy Apple devices are like sheep led to slaughter.
They _believe_ every smooth succulent sentence Apple marketing feeds them.
It has been my experience that people who buy Apple products do so based on Marketing (ever hear of Apple's "yellow" campaign, for example?) and not based on functionality.
When I ask people who own iPhones or iPads _why_ they bought them, they always say something that is associated with intense personal fears.--
For example, many people say they don't want viruses, or that their friends have it so they can ask for help from them or that Apple keeps them safe.
The people who buy Apple products are NOT generally at all knowledgeable.
They buy Apple products for that false sense of security, even though the
iOS operating system historically has double to triple the zero day bugs
than Android, and ten times as many exploits as reported by the government.
On 10/30/23 14:00, Wally J wrote:
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote
Judging by the headers, they're posting from Eternal September. It's
been having an issue where it doesn't return a confirmation message or
something.
I have to agree that Eternal September has been doing that to me recently. >>
There isn't anything I can do on my side as I already changed the response >> period to a couple of minutes and it still "says" it failed even then.
In e-s.support, Ray said that it had something to do with the spam
filter and should be fixed soon.
On 10/30/23 07:13, Stan Brown wrote:
On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 03:05:22 -0700, T wrote:
On 10/30/23 01:09, Dave Royal wrote:
You seem to be double-posting fairly often, though not
every article. If i's a matter of not seeing your
article in the newsgroup and assuming it didn't go
through, please wait a little longer before making that
assumption and reposting. Thanks!
Waited two hours or more for THunderbird-115 (new
but not improved) to finish compiling the message.
I presumed it had crashed. 115 is bug city!
On 10/30/23 07:13, Stan Brown wrote:
On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 03:05:22 -0700, T wrote:
On 10/30/23 01:09, Dave Royal wrote:
You seem to be double-posting fairly often, though not
every article. If i's a matter of not seeing your
article in the newsgroup and assuming it didn't go
through, please wait a little longer before making that
assumption and reposting. Thanks!
Waited two hours or more for THunderbird-115 (new
but not improved) to finish compiling the message.
I presumed it had crashed. 115 is bug city!
Also Stan Brown, moving from Pixel to Samsung, liked the phone dialer
better on one than the other and was trying to switch one for the other.
Hi All,
My wife has her eye on this
https://www.samsung.com/us/tablets/galaxy-tab-s9-fe/buy/
I talked to the chat line. I asked if the
Android was the open source version of the Google
version. He said they were the same. Am I missing
something?
I also asked if the preinstalled Google apps could be
remove or just disabled. He said just disabled.
(Makes me wonder if there is any background spying
that is hidden away preinstalled as well.)
My wife is after Google Free (she hates being spied on).
Is there a google free android out there?
Many thanks,
-T
While Samsung's Phone app can't be uninstalled
While Samsung's Phone app can't be uninstalled and can't even be
disabled,
and the default use of Samsung's Contacts app can't be changed,
the phone's UI _does_ let me designate a different default phone app.
I installed and chose Google Phone, and in turn it let me
change the default Contacts app to Google Contacts, as I prefer.
Apart from the wasted storage of a couple of hundred contacts in
Samsung's Contacts app, I'm all fixed up.
My wife decided against an iPad whtn she found she could
not run TOR and such on it. She also dos not like
the extra gestures.
I could not find who told me that -- I think it was
Wally -- to thank him. So thank you.
She found a Samsung app that runs a hearing test
to customer configure the sound for her. And she
likes the idea
On 10/29/23 07:28, Arno Welzel wrote:
But it is only available or a limited number of devices and only
preinstalled on devices by Murena.
I am only seeing phone on their web site, no tablets.
I could have missed them
(5) I think that's just super dead wrong, Stan, and I wish you were
correct - because I hate the fact Android has only 1 contacts db.
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