• OT -- Re: MyShake app -- redundant? (Californiia)

    From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Wally J on Sat Oct 21 14:24:10 2023
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    On 10/21/23 11:34 AM, Wally J wrote:
    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote

    You forced me to dig out the bills :-( Proptax this year is $1002 based
    on an assessed value of $50K. The assessments can be increased by no
    more than 2%/year (Thanks, Howard!), which accounts for the low value.
    The median home price in SoCal is nearing $1million. Zillow thinks our
    hovel is worth perhaps half that, but they aren't including bulldozing
    charges.

    Wow. Prop 13 saved you. I wish I had the first home I bought in California for $200K as it is likely Zillow-worthed more than a million today.

    I wish we'd mortgaged ourselves up to the hilt and bought the most
    expensive home in San Marino that we could afford. Buying cheap so we
    could just walk away if we had to move across the country for work was a
    big mistake.

    Do you remember a couple of years ago they tried to erode prop 13 with a series of related catch-me-if-you-can propositions to chop off parts of it?

    It's a constant battle. They're trying to split the roll so that
    business property would no longer be protected. People are stupid and
    this just might succeed. The tweak they accomplished sounds good if
    heirs actually WANT to live in the home of their deceased parent, but if
    they want to sell out immediately it's a different story.

    Homeowner's insurance on the $310K they figure it would cost to rebuild
    (building value only) is $385/year. Quake insurance is $500/year. This
    increase is new.

    You have a good deal. I happen to live, unfortunately, in one of the most expensive communities in the United States - which is also a Tier III fire zone and within sight of the San Andreas fault - so that explains things.

    Not quite a slum here, but definitely lower middle class and a freeway
    on-ramp.

    Here is what you would have seen from the sky (it's interactive).
    <http://thulescientific.com/san-andreas-fault-map.html>

    Wow! That must have taken a LOT of red paint!

    I recently borrowed a slick book from the library --
    https://www.amazon.com/Field-Guide-San-Andreas-Fault/dp/1941384080

    Nice find! "The Field Guide to the San Andreas Fault by David K Lynch".
    I have his book on Cirrus clouds, but I didn't know of that field guide.
    I'll keep an eye open for that field guide now that I know about it.

    You can probably get it on an inter-library loan. It needs bigger
    photos, though :-(

    I have in my collection a few John Dvorak books on the topic, such as
    Earthquake Storms: An Unauthorized Biography of the San Andreas Fault

    I have all the Roadside Geology guides starting with Arizona decades
    ago and when I moved to California I picked up the Norcal edition.

    The Russ Leadabrand books are good.


    Likewise with those idiotically illogical signs telling us how much the
    infraction is for driving in the commuter lane is - WTF?

    The signs announcing the next legal exit area are way too small to read
    in the fraction of a second I have available at 80mph, the standard
    diamond-lane speed when possible. Absolutely useless. In some places
    the separation line is broken, which I assume means we can slip in and
    out at will rather than only in designated spots.

    Did you know that California was _forced_ to add those exit numbers?

    Not a bad idea if it's an addition rather than a replacement. When they
    give city names as directions in an unfamiliar area I have more sympathy
    fo the people who shoot road signs. WTF is wrong with north, south,
    east or west? OTOH that's sometimes ambiguous.

    I really hate using the diamond lane -- motorcycles split (the only
    sensible thing for them to do), but they're silent and if I move just a
    bit to the right (does anyone maintain a perfect straight line?) I could
    kill the poor guy. Moreover, you never can tell when some impatient
    driver stopped in the 'fast' lane will decide to go for it.

    I ride a K1200 so I know all about what most bikers do. It's crazy.
    They weave. That's not actually legal but they don't get tickets for it.

    If you're fast enough and pay attention it's not that dangerous unless
    you suddenly come upon a hunk of truck tire or 2x4 hidden by the car
    ahead of you.

    The way the California law works, last I checked (which was long ago when I took the lollipop test) is that both cagers and bikers have the same laws.

    The laws do NOT prohibit "sharing" of a line if space permits.
    So it works both ways.

    I think they loosened that recently, but I don't remember where I heard
    that.

    A cager can legally share the same lane as the biker but it almost never happens, not the least of which is the bike can out accelerate the cage.

    Last time I took the MC written test I missed one -- I said that bikes
    should ride to the side of the lane (center oil slick), but 'center' was
    the correct answer. I was pissed because they were WRONG, but then I
    looked at the local freeway lanes. No oil slicks. The thing needs considerable repair (born in 1973 or so) but there's no oil. Cars are
    just BETTER now, so The Bastards were actually right.

    Bikers are supposed to follow all laws just like cars drivers do, where you should see what happens when a cager tries to share the lane at a light.

    BTW, even the emergency vehicles must follow all laws in some states, but
    not in California. When I was an EMT back east, I was taught that fact.

    On our trips across the country we saw a lot of EMERGENCY VEHICLE signs
    on roads leading off the main highway. Next to one of them was a
    rusted-out station wagon that had clearly been there for decades. I
    guess the others had all been stolen...

    Because everyone involved in government is stupid and/or venal. If they
    really gave a shit they'd replace the lights on the above-the-freeway
    signs so we could read them in the dark. Headlights aren't aimed high
    enough for the reflectors to work. Yeahyeahyeah, most people use their
    app blablablabla but I'd rather know where I'm going for real -- google
    and Garmin occasionally do weird things.

    This is one of the many situations where cellphones make driving safer. Anyone who says cellphones cause accidents doesn't know the statistics.
    There have been progressively fewer accidents per mile driven in every
    state in the USA since before, during & after the cellphone adoption.

    That reliable fact isn't what the politicians who screamed for those
    driving laws used - all they used were their cherry picked accidents.

    Sigh. There's no logic in politics. Ask Steve all about it.
    He used to be the Mayor of Cupertino. He knows politics.

    Verizon was his biggest customer. Fancy that.

    Do any other states do these crazy things other than California?

    I'm sure they do. We're probably #1, though!

    I think the wackiest states are about five, all blue, California, New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut and New Jersey although _they_ would throw Texas in that category (I'm not sure which are the wacky red states though).

    The governor recently vetoed a bill banning the caste system in California.
    *California governor vetoes bill that would have banned caste discrimination*
    <https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/2023/10/07/california-caste-discrimination-ban-newsom-veto/dd883386-654e-11ee-b406-3ea724995806_story.html>

    I'd never realized that we had that many Dalits here. I watched Dr. Who
    a few times and would have thought that they were able to take care of themselves without anyone's help. For once Newsom recognized reality.

    And now we have ebony alerts for missing black people, apparently.
    *California Ebony Alert will help find missing Black people*
    <https://www.npr.org/2023/10/15/1205950946/in-a-first-californias-ebony-alert-will-help-track-down-missing-black-people>

    It would seem that this was aimed at the people in control of the
    message boards as well as the cops who make the decision between missing
    and runaway, not the general public. Feather alerts. Ebony alerts.
    Amber alerts. Will there be separate boards or will there be different-colored lights? What color is a 'feather'? We used to listen
    to NPR before they jettisoned Garrison Keillor. Until then it was
    merely annoying.


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    them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for
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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Sat Oct 21 18:26:40 2023
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    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote

    Wow. Prop 13 saved you. I wish I had the first home I bought in California >> for $200K as it is likely Zillow-worthed more than a million today.

    I wish we'd mortgaged ourselves up to the hilt and bought the most
    expensive home in San Marino that we could afford. Buying cheap so we
    could just walk away if we had to move across the country for work was a
    big mistake.

    I agree with you that we should have mortgaged ourselves to the hilt.
    As you're aware, any $200K home turned into a million easily out here.

    Do you remember a couple of years ago they tried to erode prop 13 with a
    series of related catch-me-if-you-can propositions to chop off parts of it?

    It's a constant battle. They're trying to split the roll so that
    business property would no longer be protected.

    Good. You understood. Most people are stupid. They only read the titles.
    And man oh man, are those titles great sounding names for the props.
    Prop titles sound like Apple advertisements - they're that well done!

    People are stupid and this just might succeed.

    Many propositions are the same proposition twisted around a bit.
    Their strategy is to keep pushing them out there until they finally win.

    As you said, most people are incredibly stupid.
    There was never a proposition written that didn't sound fantastic.

    The tweak they accomplished sounds good if
    heirs actually WANT to live in the home of their deceased parent, but if
    they want to sell out immediately it's a different story.

    Yup. You understood. There was another attack on Proposition 13 that I
    don't remember but they will keep proffering them until they finally win.

    Death of a thousand cuts it is.

    You have a good deal. I happen to live, unfortunately, in one of the most
    expensive communities in the United States - which is also a Tier III fire >> zone and within sight of the San Andreas fault - so that explains things.

    Not quite a slum here, but definitely lower middle class and a freeway on-ramp.

    I moved here "for the schools" but in reality, that's merely a euphemism.

    Here is what you would have seen from the sky (it's interactive).
    <http://thulescientific.com/san-andreas-fault-map.html>

    Wow! That must have taken a LOT of red paint!

    You're funny.
    Comedians see the same things everyone else does - but differently.
    Red paint! :)

    Funny thing about California paint - did'ja ever notice the strip in the
    middle almost always has black paint underlying the yellow stripes?

    Back east, where I came from, you'd _never_ see that.
    I don't recall any other state doing that.

    I always figured there must be a reason _only_ California does it.
    Do any other states do it that you know of?


    I have in my collection a few John Dvorak books on the topic, such as
    Earthquake Storms: An Unauthorized Biography of the San Andreas Fault

    I have all the Roadside Geology guides starting with Arizona decades
    ago and when I moved to California I picked up the Norcal edition.

    The Russ Leadabrand books are good.

    Thanks for the pointer, where I had to delete my ignorance of who he was.
    <https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-12-23-mn-12126-story.html>
    "Russ Leadabrand, writer and historian chronicled CA & the Old West"

    My first search was with Google Scholar, which found some of his stuff.
    <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=Russ+Leadabrand>

    But if you're near "Sunset Range", there's a downloadable PDF from him here
    <https://www.base-search.net/Search/Results?lookfor=Russ+Leadabrand>
    There are a few books of the California deserts there too.

    Nothing on the Santa Cruz Mountain Range though...

    Did you know that California was _forced_ to add those exit numbers?

    Not a bad idea if it's an addition rather than a replacement.

    Yes. The federal gob'ment decreed they had to follow the rules.
    Did'ja ever notice California isn't big on exit numbers on the signs?
    Now they're forced to - if they want federal funds - which they want.

    When they
    give city names as directions in an unfamiliar area I have more sympathy
    fo the people who shoot road signs.

    I've read the NHTSA traffic sign PDF ever since it was a PDF (it's only
    online now) where they're s'posed to pick the three biggest destinations.

    As for shooting road signs, did'ja ever drive in Texas?
    Every deer-crossing sign is riddled with buckshot.

    WTF is wrong with north, south,
    east or west? OTOH that's sometimes ambiguous.

    A lot of people are stupid, maybe 900 out of 1000 or worse, so they don't realize that the three-digit interstates don't follow the same rules as
    those below 100 do in terms of north:south & east:west numbering systems.

    For example, out here we have I280 which almost never goes east & west 'cuz it's shaped like a "U" where one end is North and the other is South, but
    both ends touch (eventually) its two digit namesake. Which is the point.

    We also have the eponymous I380, I580, I680 & I880, all of which follow the rules of the three-digit roads, which are different than for two digits.

    Of course, out here we have _one digit_ interstates, but that's only
    because they started with 5 out west moving to 95 back east (always below
    three digits - which is important).

    Did'ja every notice that not only the mileage markers count upward and
    eastward from the state border (or the beginning of the roadway)?

    Most people don't know that in a single mile you know exactly what
    direction you're traveling from the mileage markers (or exit numbers).

    People are incredibly stupid.
    They know nothing about this fantastically well-designed system.

    I ride a K1200 so I know all about what most bikers do. It's crazy.
    They weave. That's not actually legal but they don't get tickets for it.

    If you're fast enough and pay attention it's not that dangerous unless
    you suddenly come upon a hunk of truck tire or 2x4 hidden by the car
    ahead of you.

    Bikes are dangerous because of cagers and the weather (which is never
    really bad in California but it is nasty back east with the black ice).

    A cager taking a left turn is the most dangerous thing to a biker...

    The laws do NOT prohibit "sharing" of a line if space permits.
    So it works both ways.

    I think they loosened that recently, but I don't remember where I heard
    that.

    It has been a looooooong time since I took the MC test so I don't know if
    the laws changed - but they used to be that all passenger vehicles followed
    the same laws - but cagers don't normally want to share a lane with bikers.

    A cager can legally share the same lane as the biker but it almost never
    happens, not the least of which is the bike can out accelerate the cage.

    Last time I took the MC written test I missed one -- I said that bikes
    should ride to the side of the lane (center oil slick), but 'center' was
    the correct answer.

    Yeah. I've taken these tests too. My first one, when I was a kid, I also
    got one wrong which was similarly stupid in that they asked if you should
    stand on the pegs when you go over bump where what they meant was to
    simply shift your weight a bit lower in the center of gravity.

    Another one, on another test, was whether to be in neutral at a light,
    where they want you always in gear - but most bikers shift into neutral
    because otherwise they'll have hands the size of a gorilla's paws.

    I was pissed because they were WRONG, but then I
    looked at the local freeway lanes. No oil slicks. The thing needs considerable repair (born in 1973 or so) but there's no oil. Cars are
    just BETTER now, so The Bastards were actually right.

    While any biker is extremely familiar with the puddles of oil at every stoplight, I agree there isn't much of an oil slick - except on one day!

    Back east, it rains a lot. Out here, it only rains in the winter. As you
    know, that means a billion accidents on the first drizzle of the season.

    All because of those beads of oil mixing with the rain water and stupid drivers. I wonder if I've mentioned 900 out of 1000 people are stupid?

    I think the wackiest states are about five, all blue, California, New York, >> Massachusetts, Connecticut and New Jersey although _they_ would throw Texas >> in that category (I'm not sure which are the wacky red states though).

    The governor recently vetoed a bill banning the caste system in California. >> *California governor vetoes bill that would have banned caste discrimination*
    <https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/2023/10/07/california-caste-discrimination-ban-newsom-veto/dd883386-654e-11ee-b406-3ea724995806_story.html>

    I'd never realized that we had that many Dalits here. I watched Dr. Who
    a few times and would have thought that they were able to take care of themselves without anyone's help. For once Newsom recognized reality.

    I never even knew it was a "problem" but if we start banning the caste
    system, the problem is there's a roller coaster of other things to ban.

    Given I'm German by descent, and I'm from back east by upbringing, I'd like
    to propose we ban the sale of hotdogs sans sauerkraut in California.

    Costco won't even give you those little packets of the stuff anymore.
    Must be a prop 65 sort of things...

    And now we have ebony alerts for missing black people, apparently.
    *California Ebony Alert will help find missing Black people*
    <https://www.npr.org/2023/10/15/1205950946/in-a-first-californias-ebony-alert-will-help-track-down-missing-black-people>

    It would seem that this was aimed at the people in control of the
    message boards as well as the cops who make the decision between missing
    and runaway, not the general public. Feather alerts. Ebony alerts.
    Amber alerts. Will there be separate boards or will there be different-colored lights? What color is a 'feather'? We used to listen
    to NPR before they jettisoned Garrison Keillor. Until then it was
    merely annoying.

    I like your idea of coloring the alerts since otherwise, they're just
    alerts of a missing person - but we MUST have a color for each type of
    person.

    Hence I nominate the silver coloring for missing old people.
    Black coloring for missing black people.
    And rainbow coloring for missing gay people.

    (Do we have a rainbow alert yet?)
    (If not, just wait; we eventually will.)
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    And to contribute to the overall tribal knowledge value of the newsgroup.

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Wally J on Sun Oct 22 15:07:53 2023
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    On 10/21/23 3:26 PM, Wally J wrote:
    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote

    Wow. Prop 13 saved you. I wish I had the first home I bought in California >>> for $200K as it is likely Zillow-worthed more than a million today.

    This one was $19K in 1967. Zillow thinks it's worth $760K. Jesus.

    I wish we'd mortgaged ourselves up to the hilt and bought the most
    expensive home in San Marino that we could afford. Buying cheap so we
    could just walk away if we had to move across the country for work was a
    big mistake.

    I agree with you that we should have mortgaged ourselves to the hilt.
    As you're aware, any $200K home turned into a million easily out here.

    That really only matters if we want to move out of Kalifornia. If it
    were up to me and I were rootless I'd move to Utah in a snap.

    Good. You understood. Most people are stupid. They only read the titles.
    And man oh man, are those titles great sounding names for the props.
    Prop titles sound like Apple advertisements - they're that well done!

    There's an initiative to require proposition titles to accurately
    reflect the contents. It will be interesting to see how the opponents
    spin that.

    Death of a thousand cuts it is.

    You have a good deal. I happen to live, unfortunately, in one of the most >>> expensive communities in the United States - which is also a Tier III fire >>> zone and within sight of the San Andreas fault - so that explains things. >>
    Not quite a slum here, but definitely lower middle class and a freeway
    on-ramp.

    I moved here "for the schools" but in reality, that's merely a euphemism.

    I wish we'd known how bad the public schools were before sending the
    kids to them. When we were young the only kids who went to private
    schools were fantastically rich or damaged in some way.

    Here is what you would have seen from the sky (it's interactive).
    <http://thulescientific.com/san-andreas-fault-map.html>

    Wow! That must have taken a LOT of red paint!

    You're funny.
    Comedians see the same things everyone else does - but differently.
    Red paint! :)

    I guess I missed my calling :-(

    Funny thing about California paint - did'ja ever notice the strip in the middle almost always has black paint underlying the yellow stripes?

    Back east, where I came from, you'd _never_ see that.
    I don't recall any other state doing that.

    I always figured there must be a reason _only_ California does it.
    Do any other states do it that you know of?

    I haven't driven out of state since I noticed that. I assumed that the
    black paint was to either increase contrast or cover up previous white
    paint. Anything that makes it easier to see the lines during our
    occasional rainstorms is good.

    I have in my collection a few John Dvorak books on the topic, such as
    Earthquake Storms: An Unauthorized Biography of the San Andreas Fault

    I have all the Roadside Geology guides starting with Arizona decades
    ago and when I moved to California I picked up the Norcal edition.

    The Russ Leadabrand books are good.

    Thanks for the pointer, where I had to delete my ignorance of who he was.
    <https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-12-23-mn-12126-story.html>
    "Russ Leadabrand, writer and historian chronicled CA & the Old West"

    My first search was with Google Scholar, which found some of his stuff.
    <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=Russ+Leadabrand>

    He wrote a column in the local fishwrap for a long time. Another good geologist-writer is Robert Sharp, who caught at Caltech and took the
    students on field trips around the LA area.

    https://www.amazon.com/s?k=sharp+geology&crid=1BCUQ4H779NS1&sprefix=sharp+geology%2Caps%2C265&ref=nb_sb_noss

    When they
    give city names as directions in an unfamiliar area I have more sympathy
    for the people who shoot road signs.

    I've read the NHTSA traffic sign PDF ever since it was a PDF (it's only online now) where they're s'posed to pick the three biggest destinations.

    As for shooting road signs, did'ja ever drive in Texas?
    Every deer-crossing sign is riddled with buckshot.

    Driving I-10 in Texas is different. Widely-spaced trucks in the right
    lane, cars passing maybe 15mph faster in the left lane. Car wants to go
    even faster, pulls to the right passing a lot of cars and then tries to
    elbow his way back into the left lane. Sometimes he has to wait a long
    time for some kind person to let him in. It's almost like a ritual that
    works sometimes. I decided it was a lot less stressful as well as more efficient to just stay in the left lane and hope that there would be
    some scenery to watch pretty soon.

    Of course, out here we have _one digit_ interstates, but that's only
    because they started with 5 out west moving to 95 back east (always below three digits - which is important).

    Nice of them to leave Highway 1 alone and not make I-5 I-1. One year we
    tried to drive every single bit of Highway 1. Lots of it are just gone,
    and one part was a steep dirt road. I happened to be driving when we
    started to slip. I made everyone get out while I backed down with the
    driver door open in case I had to jump. Turned out OK.

    Did'ja every notice that not only the mileage markers count upward and eastward from the state border (or the beginning of the roadway)?

    We used to pay attention to that when we were calibrating the speedometer/odometer.

    Most people don't know that in a single mile you know exactly what
    direction you're traveling from the mileage markers (or exit numbers).

    People are incredibly stupid.
    They know nothing about this fantastically well-designed system.

    It's so well designed that we don't NEED to know about it!

    I ride a K1200 so I know all about what most bikers do. It's crazy.
    They weave. That's not actually legal but they don't get tickets for it.

    If you're fast enough and pay attention it's not that dangerous unless
    you suddenly come upon a hunk of truck tire or 2x4 hidden by the car
    ahead of you.

    Bikes are dangerous because of cagers and the weather (which is never
    really bad in California but it is nasty back east with the black ice).

    Going up to Big Bear via I-15 (18 was down for a whole year due to a
    really impressive washout) I hit a patch of it and slid into a snowbank.
    Eventually a farmer came along and yanked me out with a rope. Just a
    few feet around the corner there was a CHP guy parked. He could clearly
    hear everything that was happening, including my slide. But would HE
    help? Yeah, right.

    A cager taking a left turn is the most dangerous thing to a biker...

    Not just bikers. "Honest, Officer, I didn't see those pedestrians
    crossing with their green light..." The cow's $25K insurance didn't
    cover the whole medical bill.

    Yeah. I've taken these tests too. My first one, when I was a kid, I also
    got one wrong which was similarly stupid in that they asked if you should stand on the pegs when you go over bump where what they meant was to
    simply shift your weight a bit lower in the center of gravity.

    Simple rule: When in doubt, stand up.

    Another one, on another test, was whether to be in neutral at a light,
    where they want you always in gear - but most bikers shift into neutral because otherwise they'll have hands the size of a gorilla's paws.

    Not necessarily. My 1960 Ducati was nasty about finding neutral, so I
    never learned to do that automatically. Never needed to with the
    Japanese dirtbikes.

    Given I'm German by descent, and I'm from back east by upbringing, I'd like to propose we ban the sale of hotdogs sans sauerkraut in California.

    Sauerkraut is almost food if you have nothing else. What I liked were
    the NY hot dogs with almost-caramelized onions. And the REAL frozen
    custard. I've never had any ice cream that good EVER.

    Costco won't even give you those little packets of the stuff anymore.
    Must be a prop 65 sort of things...

    I miss their combo pizza. Covid took away more than it knew. OTOH,
    Amazon Fresh baked-in-store pizzas are better than either the Costco or
    Sam's combo pizzas. Until they cut their prices in half, the pizza is
    the only thing worth buying there.

    Hence I nominate the silver coloring for missing old people.
    Black coloring for missing black people.
    And rainbow coloring for missing gay people.

    (Do we have a rainbow alert yet?)
    (If not, just wait; we eventually will.)

    And a sort of medium grey for people of mixed or unknown ethnicity/gender/age/preference.

    Suppose I identify as a service animal. Are there any benefits?


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    Cheers, Bev
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    band-aids with flesh-eating microbes in the pads.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Sun Oct 22 19:01:00 2023
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    On 10/21/2023 4:24 PM, The Real Bev wrote:

    <snip>

    I wish we'd mortgaged ourselves up to the hilt and bought the most
    expensive home in San Marino that we could afford. Buying cheap so we
    could just walk away if we had to move across the country for work was a
    big mistake.

    Yeah, when we bought our house in California had we spent another $200K
    we would have a house that was worth a million dollars more than what
    our house is worth now, and it would have been a newer house without all
    the issues of a 1960's tract home. We could have afforded it but we
    didn't want to be so house poor.

    <snip>

    It's a constant battle.  They're trying to split the roll so that
    business property would no longer be protected.  People are stupid and
    this just might succeed.

    No, what has happened is that businesses are now paying a much smaller percentage of the total property tax because there are ways to transfer ownership of a commercial property without it being reassessed. So
    homeowners are subsidizing businesses.

    The real change that is needed in Prop 13 is to have it apply solely to owner-occupied residential property. Not rental property. Not commercial
    office buildings that are leased out. Perhaps some exception for
    businesses that own their own buildings.

    The tweak they accomplished sounds good if
    heirs actually WANT to live in the home of their deceased parent, but if
    they want to sell out immediately it's a different story.

    Parts of prop 19 are good in theory since if the people inheriting the
    property are turning it into an income-generating rental then they
    should not be enjoying the artificially low assessment. If they live in
    the house they inherited then they get a flat $1 million reduction in
    assessed value versus the market value (it's a little more complex than
    that, see <https://www.boe.ca.gov/prop19/#Charts>). Fixing the exemption
    at a flat $1 million might not have been the best idea though.

    Where the Prop 19 opponents are being disingenuous is in calling it a
    "Death Tax." It is true that if adult children inherit their parents'
    house, and live in it, their property taxes may go up. Which is only
    fair considering that their income is likely much higher and they are
    using more public services, especially public schools.

    The other part of Prop 19 allows owners over a certain age to take their
    Prop 13 assessed value with them anywhere in the state. This would be a windfall to counties where the old property is then sold at a huge
    increase in assessed value but could hurt counties where the owner moves to.

    The reality is that the primary goal of Prop 19, which was to encourage
    more turnover of properties in order to enrich the real estate industry,
    did not materialize. The remaining big issue is capital gains tax. The
    $500K exclusion is sufficient in many parts of the country, but not in
    areas with bat-shit crazy real estate prices, and we're not talking
    about a $3 million house being a mansion, but a six decade old
    relatively small tract home. What would be smart would be to move every
    two years and take the $500K exemption each time before the value of the
    house increased by more than $500K.

    Personally, I benefit enormously by Prop 13 but the reality is that it
    is driving up real estate prices by limiting the supply. I own a 40 year
    old townhouse that I rent out that I cannot afford to sell since I would
    not get any capital gains exclusion.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to sms on Mon Oct 23 00:28:06 2023
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    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote

    Yeah, when we bought our house in California had we spent another $200K
    we would have a house that was worth a million dollars more than what
    our house is worth now, and it would have been a newer house without all
    the issues of a 1960's tract home. We could have afforded it but we
    didn't want to be so house poor.

    BTW, the prices of California homes is proof that anyone who says "You get
    what you pay for" isn't understanding supply & demand.

    You don't pay what something is worth in terms of its inherent value.
    You have to pay what others pay for it.

    And in California, there are lots of people who want what you want.

    It's a constant battle. They're trying to split the roll so that
    business property would no longer be protected. People are stupid and
    this just might succeed.

    No, what has happened is that businesses are now paying a much smaller percentage of the total property tax because there are ways to transfer ownership of a commercial property without it being reassessed. So
    homeowners are subsidizing businesses.

    Heh heh heh... the consummate politician Steve always is...

    The real change that is needed in Prop 13 is to have it apply solely to owner-occupied residential property. Not rental property. Not commercial office buildings that are leased out. Perhaps some exception for
    businesses that own their own buildings.

    Again, with property taxes already in the tens of thousands per year per
    home, the only thing the pols care about is raising your taxes further.

    Luckily I get a break on the _extra_ taxes they levy for the school system,
    but even then you have to beg for it every single year like you're gonna
    get younger or something.

    They make it hard on purpose because they only care about your money.

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to sms on Sun Oct 22 21:24:43 2023
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    On 10/22/23 5:01 PM, sms wrote:
    On 10/21/2023 4:24 PM, The Real Bev wrote:

    <snip>

    I wish we'd mortgaged ourselves up to the hilt and bought the most
    expensive home in San Marino that we could afford. Buying cheap so we
    could just walk away if we had to move across the country for work was a
    big mistake.

    Yeah, when we bought our house in California had we spent another $200K
    we would have a house that was worth a million dollars more than what
    our house is worth now, and it would have been a newer house without all
    the issues of a 1960's tract home. We could have afforded it but we
    didn't want to be so house poor.

    <snip>

    It's a constant battle.  They're trying to split the roll so that
    business property would no longer be protected.  People are stupid and
    this just might succeed.

    No, what has happened is that businesses are now paying a much smaller percentage of the total property tax because there are ways to transfer ownership of a commercial property without it being reassessed. So
    homeowners are subsidizing businesses.

    Yup. And if their property taxes increase WE, the customers, will be
    paying them. Businesses don't pay taxes, the consumers do. And the
    State wastes it.

    The real change that is needed in Prop 13 is to have it apply solely to owner-occupied residential property. Not rental property. Not commercial office buildings that are leased out. Perhaps some exception for
    businesses that own their own buildings.

    Nope. Moreover, if the businesses with deeper pockets than ours have no
    reason to fight it the homeowners' taxes will go up too. It's for the children...

    The tweak they accomplished sounds good if
    heirs actually WANT to live in the home of their deceased parent, but if
    they want to sell out immediately it's a different story.

    Parts of prop 19 are good in theory since if the people inheriting the property are turning it into an income-generating rental then they
    should not be enjoying the artificially low assessment. If they live in
    the house they inherited then they get a flat $1 million reduction in assessed value versus the market value (it's a little more complex than
    that, see <https://www.boe.ca.gov/prop19/#Charts>). Fixing the exemption
    at a flat $1 million might not have been the best idea though.

    Sorry, I think keeping money out of the hands of governments is a good
    thing.

    Where the Prop 19 opponents are being disingenuous is in calling it a
    "Death Tax." It is true that if adult children inherit their parents'
    house, and live in it, their property taxes may go up. Which is only
    fair considering that their income is likely much higher and they are
    using more public services, especially public schools.

    The parents worked for it. If they want to give it to their kids to do whatever they damn please with it that's proper. The parents already
    paid a shit pot of property and income taxes; that's enough.

    My grandchildren will never have the career my husband and I had. What
    we leave is for THEIR retirement -- so they don't have to eat dog food
    and live in a crappy apartment. Our choice.

    The other part of Prop 19 allows owners over a certain age to take their
    Prop 13 assessed value with them anywhere in the state. This would be a windfall to counties where the old property is then sold at a huge
    increase in assessed value but could hurt counties where the owner moves to.

    The reality is that the primary goal of Prop 19, which was to encourage
    more turnover of properties in order to enrich the real estate industry,
    did not materialize. The remaining big issue is capital gains tax. The
    $500K exclusion is sufficient in many parts of the country, but not in
    areas with bat-shit crazy real estate prices, and we're not talking
    about a $3 million house being a mansion, but a six decade old
    relatively small tract home. What would be smart would be to move every
    two years and take the $500K exemption each time before the value of the house increased by more than $500K.

    What would be smart would be to sell my Kalifornia house and move to Utah.

    Personally, I benefit enormously by Prop 13 but the reality is that it
    is driving up real estate prices by limiting the supply. I own a 40 year
    old townhouse that I rent out that I cannot afford to sell since I would
    not get any capital gains exclusion.

    I don't want to increase the housing supply. That just means more
    crowding, more traffic, more people to use the already-insufficient
    water and electricity and a significantly-decreased standard of living
    for the people who pay for it all -- the current residents.

    Plenty of space to the east. Build there.

    --
    Cheers, Bev
    "I don't think they could put him in a mental hospital.
    On the other hand, if he were already in, I don't think
    they'd let him out." -- Greek Geek

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Mon Oct 23 00:23:33 2023
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    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote

    Good. You understood. Most people are stupid. They only read the titles.
    And man oh man, are those titles great sounding names for the props.
    Prop titles sound like Apple advertisements - they're that well done!

    There's an initiative to require proposition titles to accurately
    reflect the contents. It will be interesting to see how the opponents
    spin that.

    OMG! That would be fantastic! I doubt it will ever happen. Just look at how Steve changes the truth when he's shilling for Verizon as an example of how
    the politicians use every trick in the book to earn votes of stupid people.

    I always wanted to make a proposition that a proposition could like to you.
    It had to tell the truth in the title.

    Like the one where they needed money and they figured they could get it
    from taxing the lottery, so they called it "Modernizing the lottery!".

    Also I'm against the propositions that are put forth by Home Depot, such as
    the one where they required every home to have a CO detector by the end of
    the year (and at the same time their prices skyrocketed at Home Depot).

    I moved here "for the schools" but in reality, that's merely a euphemism.

    I wish we'd known how bad the public schools were before sending the
    kids to them. When we were young the only kids who went to private
    schools were fantastically rich or damaged in some way.

    Where I came from, the Catholics went to private schools (and wore plaid).

    Out here, we have some of the best schools in the country, but of course,
    the "best schools" is a euphemism for something else altogether you know.

    You're funny.
    Comedians see the same things everyone else does - but differently.
    Red paint! :)

    I guess I missed my calling :-(

    It made me laugh because you played beautifully upon a quite literal
    meaning of what I had said.

    I always figured there must be a reason _only_ California does it.
    Do any other states do it that you know of?

    I haven't driven out of state since I noticed that. I assumed that the
    black paint was to either increase contrast or cover up previous white
    paint. Anything that makes it easier to see the lines during our
    occasional rainstorms is good.

    I have asked the roads crews why they do that and they say it's for
    contrast, but my only wonderment is why doesn't any other state need it?

    Then again, I don't know any other state that had to be forced by the feds
    to assign numbers to highway exits either - so California is just wacky.

    My first search was with Google Scholar, which found some of his stuff.
    <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=Russ+Leadabrand>

    He wrote a column in the local fishwrap for a long time. Another good geologist-writer is Robert Sharp, who caught at Caltech and took the
    students on field trips around the LA area.

    https://www.amazon.com/s?k=sharp+geology

    Another nice one. Thanks. He too is mostly southern California though.

    BTW, field trips are what I love because almost all my knowledge is
    empirically gained. I used to wonder why the California serpentinite was
    green, slippery, soft and always cracked - and now I know it's due to the
    fact it was like a tube of toothpaste squirted by fault movements deep into cracks and I wondered why the Franciscian chert was so tortured and it was
    like terranes place into a blender given the same tectonics.

    As for shooting road signs, did'ja ever drive in Texas?
    Every deer-crossing sign is riddled with buckshot.

    Driving I-10 in Texas is different.

    Ever wonder why it's I10 south to I90 north, climbing by ten (mostly) each
    time it jumps upward? Notice it's the same direction as South to North mile markers.

    Same reason it's I5 on the west and I95 on the east with the numbers
    generally climbing (mostly) by 10 each time.

    I would have created a number system counting up from north to south and
    from east to west but they did the exact opposite of what I'd do to number.

    Widely-spaced trucks in the right
    lane, cars passing maybe 15mph faster in the left lane.

    In some states, it's the law that trucks must not use the left-most lane of
    a multi-lane highway but I don't think California has that blanket law.

    Car wants to go
    even faster, pulls to the right passing a lot of cars and then tries to
    elbow his way back into the left lane. Sometimes he has to wait a long
    time for some kind person to let him in.

    I wondered for years why certain exits backed up miles before the exit
    where I learned it was people wanting to stay left until the last possible second - and then when they pull over to the right - they have to go SLOWER than the traffic at right (to slip in) and so they literally STOP the fast
    lane completely.

    Watch it happen at the next commuter time travel you do.
    Also the mile before and after a major intersection does that too, for the
    same reason.

    It's almost like a ritual that
    works sometimes. I decided it was a lot less stressful as well as more efficient to just stay in the left lane and hope that there would be
    some scenery to watch pretty soon.

    In some states, but not in California, it's the law that you must use the rightmost available lane if it's available - where in California there is
    no law that says you have to drive in the rightmost lane.

    As long as you're driving at a legal speed in California, you can be in any lane - which is NOT the law in some states which say you must stay right.

    Of course, out here we have _one digit_ interstates, but that's only
    because they started with 5 out west moving to 95 back east (always below
    three digits - which is important).

    Nice of them to leave Highway 1 alone and not make I-5 I-1.

    I think Highway 1 beat the Interstate numbering system which is Eisenhower
    era, I think.

    For north-south less-than-99 interstates it counts west to east, 5 to 95.
    For east-west less-than-99 interstates it counts south to north, 10 to 90.

    Most people are stupid so they don't realize the interstate highway compass numbering system only applies to interstates labeled as less than 99.

    The numbering system for interstates greater than 99 is (almost) completely different. You can have ten highway 280's for example in ten states, as
    long as each one skirts a city (or tries to anyway) and connects to 80.

    Likewise, you can have ten 495 interstates, as long as they circle a city
    (or try to) as long as they're each in different states & connect to 95.

    One year we
    tried to drive every single bit of Highway 1.

    It's a ritual to drive from SF to LA on the Pacific Coast Highway.
    I did it only once. Almost died. Like ten times. You know what it's like.

    Lots of it are just gone,
    and one part was a steep dirt road. I happened to be driving when we
    started to slip. I made everyone get out while I backed down with the
    driver door open in case I had to jump. Turned out OK.

    Back east, there is also a highway 1 as I recall, that does the same.
    But we have to differentiate the interstates from the state highways.

    And they call 'em "freeways" out here (even though they are _not_ free!).

    Did'ja every notice that not only the mileage markers count upward and
    eastward from the state border (or the beginning of the roadway)?

    We used to pay attention to that when we were calibrating the speedometer/odometer.

    Me? I used to hike a lot back east and I'd not have GPS (because this was
    in the days of dead reckoning as a kid) and when I happened upon a road,
    I'd learn how to read the telephone poles and mile markers to get bearings.

    Even if I had a paper map with me, it would be useless until I figured out where I was on it. (You remember those days, don't you?).

    My kids? They don't know what a paper map is. They think AAA is for towing.

    They know nothing about this fantastically well-designed system.

    It's so well designed that we don't NEED to know about it!

    This is true even as you may have been joking. For example, all the sign
    posts are designed to be breakaway - so much that they blow away in teh
    wind out here.

    Also all the guard rails are designed to absorb impact slowly, as are the bright yellow sand-filled cans at exit chevrons.

    Speaking of the chevrons, every bridge has them, with lines going this way
    on the left (///) and this way on the right (\\\) and this in the middle (///\\\) which, I'll bet, very few people even notice what it means.

    Suffice to say even the _color_ of the signs means something, e.g.,
    red/white and black/white is only used for the law, blue for services,
    green for directions, etc.

    People probably don't notice any of that stuff... do they?

    Bikes are dangerous because of cagers and the weather (which is never
    really bad in California but it is nasty back east with the black ice).

    Going up to Big Bear via I-15 (18 was down for a whole year due to a
    really impressive washout) I hit a patch of it and slid into a snowbank.

    Snow and ice are a bitch on a bike...

    Eventually a farmer came along and yanked me out with a rope. Just a
    few feet around the corner there was a CHP guy parked. He could clearly
    hear everything that was happening, including my slide. But would HE
    help? Yeah, right.

    Sometimes they're real nice. Other times they're like the Gestapo.
    When I get pulled over, and they ask for my dl/reg/ins, as I reach into the back pocket of the passenger seat, I always say "Don't shoot me", where
    they usually reply something like "I'm watching you".... it's that scary nowadays... and I'm German in descent ... I can imagine what it would be
    like if I was the subject of an ebony alert...

    A cager taking a left turn is the most dangerous thing to a biker...

    Not just bikers. "Honest, Officer, I didn't see those pedestrians
    crossing with their green light..." The cow's $25K insurance didn't
    cover the whole medical bill.

    Yeah. Turning left. The bane of cyclists & pedestrians alike.
    One time, when I was young and stoopid, I confronted a guy who didn't use
    his turn signals and he told me, seriously so, "I know where I'm going".

    People are _that_ stupid.
    Like 990 out of 1000 of them.

    Simple rule: When in doubt, stand up.

    The question was tricky though as it was "stand up" or "put more weight".
    My only point was they tried to make the MC test relevant but it's not.

    BTW, did you ever try to pass the California lollipop?
    It's damn near impossible on a big bike unless you're a circus rider.

    Another one, on another test, was whether to be in neutral at a light,
    where they want you always in gear - but most bikers shift into neutral
    because otherwise they'll have hands the size of a gorilla's paws.

    Not necessarily. My 1960 Ducati was nasty about finding neutral, so I
    never learned to do that automatically. Never needed to with the
    Japanese dirtbikes.

    My beemer is smooth shifting but still, the book says you should stay in
    gear so that you can scoot out if someone doesn't see you and tries as a
    result to hit you head on - which just isn't going to give you enough time anyway even if you are already in gear. Plus your paw will be sore.

    Given I'm German by descent, and I'm from back east by upbringing, I'd like >> to propose we ban the sale of hotdogs sans sauerkraut in California.

    Sauerkraut is almost food if you have nothing else. What I liked were
    the NY hot dogs with almost-caramelized onions. And the REAL frozen
    custard. I've never had any ice cream that good EVER.

    The pizza is damn good in NYC too!
    They make it on stone/clay surfaces with fire heating.
    a) Dripping with olive oil, tomato sauce & mozzarella cheese
    b. And you eat it with your hands (curled up, and dripping hot)

    Out here in California they make pizza wrong(ly).
    a) They use electric ovens with wire grills
    b) And they put stuff on it that doesn't belong (like pineapple)

    And then they eat it with a fork!
    Who does that?

    Costco won't even give you those little packets of the stuff anymore.
    Must be a prop 65 sort of things...

    I miss their combo pizza.

    Huh? The pepperoni/cheese combo?
    Did they remove it?

    I went on a diet of trying to avoid highly processed carbs.
    And my wife cooks better than Gordon Ramsey.
    So I don't do the Costco food anymore.

    But I didn't know they ditched a mainstay.
    Gotta check next time I'm there...

    Covid took away more than it knew. OTOH,
    Amazon Fresh baked-in-store pizzas are better than either the Costco or
    Sam's combo pizzas. Until they cut their prices in half, the pizza is
    the only thing worth buying there.

    I used to love, at Costco, the $150 hotdog with soda and the $5 chicken.

    (Do we have a rainbow alert yet?)
    (If not, just wait; we eventually will.)

    And a sort of medium grey for people of mixed or unknown ethnicity/gender/age/preference.

    Suppose I identify as a service animal. Are there any benefits?

    My main problem with the California amber alert signs is they tell you crap that isn't what they're for (like "Don't water your lawn!"), which is
    abuse.

    Give the government money.
    They will abuse it.

    Thank God we don't get anywhere near the amount of government we pay for.
    --
    The whole point of Usenet is to find people who know more than you do.
    And to contribute to the overall tribal knowledge value of the newsgroup.

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Mon Oct 23 01:24:19 2023
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    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote

    I think keeping money out of the hands of governments is a good
    thing.

    The problem with California politicians is they don't think like that.
    They just want you to bend over and savagely rape you like Steve wants to.

    Everything Steve says is to increase taxation.
    It's rape.

    Forced rape, no less.

    If not rape, then simply death of a thousand cuts.
    It's what California pols do.

    Tax you to death.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Mon Oct 23 10:56:26 2023
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    On 10/22/2023 11:24 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 10/22/23 5:01 PM, sms wrote:
    On 10/21/2023 4:24 PM, The Real Bev wrote:

    <snip>

    I wish we'd mortgaged ourselves up to the hilt and bought the most
    expensive home in San Marino that we could afford. Buying cheap so we
    could just walk away if we had to move across the country for work
    was a big mistake.

    Yeah, when we bought our house in California had we spent another $200K
    we would have a house that was worth a million dollars more than what
    our house is worth now, and it would have been a newer house without all
    the issues of a 1960's tract home. We could have afforded it but we
    didn't want to be so house poor.

    <snip>

    It's a constant battle.  They're trying to split the roll so that
    business property would no longer be protected.  People are stupid
    and this just might succeed.

    No, what has happened is that businesses are now paying a much smaller
    percentage of the total property tax because there are ways to transfer
    ownership of a commercial property without it being reassessed. So
    homeowners are subsidizing businesses.

    Yup.  And if their property taxes increase WE, the customers, will be
    paying them.  Businesses don't pay taxes, the consumers do.  And the
    State wastes it.

    Prices for goods are set by the market. Businesses can't increase prices
    just because their cost of production goes up because their competitors
    will not. If Apple's property taxes go up they can't just raise the
    prices of all their products.

    <snip>

    The parents worked for it.  If they want to give it to their kids to do whatever they damn please with it that's proper.  The parents already
    paid a shit pot of property and income taxes;  that's enough.

    Nothing in Prop 19 stops the parents from giving their house, with no
    mortgage, to their adult children. What it changes is that the adult
    children no longer get the artificially low assessed value. Remember,
    Prop 13 was sold to voters as "preventing seniors from losing their
    homes because of the increase in assessed value." The 2% limit is
    reasonable and it was expected that when the seniors sold the property
    it would be reassessed at market value. It was not expected that the artificially low property tax would remain in perpetuity with those that inherit the property being subsidized by everyone else.


    My grandchildren will never have the career my husband and I had.  What
    we leave is for THEIR retirement -- so they don't have to eat dog food
    and live in a crappy apartment.  Our choice.

    Great. They get a free house with no mortgage. All they have to pay is
    the appropriate property tax to pay for roads, schools, parks, sewage, etc.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Wally J on Mon Oct 23 12:13:37 2023
    On 10/22/23 9:23 PM, Wally J wrote:
    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote

    There's an initiative to require proposition titles to accurately
    reflect the contents. It will be interesting to see how the opponents
    spin that.

    OMG! That would be fantastic! I doubt it will ever happen. Just look at how Steve changes the truth when he's shilling for Verizon as an example of how the politicians use every trick in the book to earn votes of stupid people.

    I always wanted to make a proposition that a proposition could like to you. It had to tell the truth in the title.

    Like the one where they needed money and they figured they could get it
    from taxing the lottery, so they called it "Modernizing the lottery!".

    Also I'm against the propositions that are put forth by Home Depot, such as the one where they required every home to have a CO detector by the end of the year (and at the same time their prices skyrocketed at Home Depot).

    Similar to what happened to insurance rates when liability insurance was required. I would think that if you have several cars the liability
    insurance would attach to the driver(s), not the cars -- you can only
    drive one at a time. The premium might be set based on the most
    dangerous car you own.

    If your friend borrows your car, HIS liability insurance is in effect,
    which would be proper. Our Insurance Commissioner is clearly beholden
    to the insurance companies.

    I moved here "for the schools" but in reality, that's merely a euphemism. >>
    I wish we'd known how bad the public schools were before sending the
    kids to them. When we were young the only kids who went to private
    schools were fantastically rich or damaged in some way.

    Where I came from, the Catholics went to private schools (and wore plaid).

    Oh yeah, I forgot about those. An irreligious co-worker sent his kid to Catholic school just for the quality; he told him to regard the religion
    part like a history class -- stuff he needed to learn to pass the test.
    By that time it was too late. It had never occurred to us to do that,
    we just didn't know how bad it was.

    So we home-schooled them in math and English, the rest they got from the schools. I KNOW my k-6 education was better, and my daughter knows that
    hers was better than what her kids got in her NICE neighborhood schools.

    Out here, we have some of the best schools in the country, but of course,
    the "best schools" is a euphemism for something else altogether you know.

    At this point everyone who could afford it sends their kids to private
    schools. Many do it for racist reasons, but I'd guess that that's a
    smaller fraction than those who do it for the quality. Exception, of
    course, for the Asian neighborhoods whose schools are in the top 5% no
    matter what scale you want to use.

    I always figured there must be a reason _only_ California does it.
    Do any other states do it that you know of?

    I haven't driven out of state since I noticed that. I assumed that the
    black paint was to either increase contrast or cover up previous white
    paint. Anything that makes it easier to see the lines during our
    occasional rainstorms is good.

    I have asked the roads crews why they do that and they say it's for
    contrast, but my only wonderment is why doesn't any other state need it?

    Kalifornians don't know how to handle rain/snow. Other places probably
    learn to deal with it. Nobody told me that you weren't supposed to drive
    45 mph with chains, but people who live in snow country probably don't
    even need them.


    Driving I-10 in Texas is different.

    Widely-spaced trucks in the right
    lane, cars passing maybe 15mph faster in the left lane.

    In some states, it's the law that trucks must not use the left-most lane of
    a multi-lane highway but I don't think California has that blanket law.

    Car wants to go
    even faster, pulls to the right passing a lot of cars and then tries to
    elbow his way back into the left lane. Sometimes he has to wait a long
    time for some kind person to let him in.

    I wondered for years why certain exits backed up miles before the exit
    where I learned it was people wanting to stay left until the last possible second - and then when they pull over to the right - they have to go SLOWER than the traffic at right (to slip in) and so they literally STOP the fast lane completely.

    I try to stay as far away as possible in transitional areas. Way too
    many people make last-second decisions.

    In some states, but not in California, it's the law that you must use the rightmost available lane if it's available - where in California there is
    no law that says you have to drive in the rightmost lane.

    As long as you're driving at a legal speed in California, you can be in any lane - which is NOT the law in some states which say you must stay right.

    The driving newsgroups were always angry about people not following the keep-right-except-to-pass custom, which would result in a lot less road
    rage. Empty now, of course.

    It's a ritual to drive from SF to LA on the Pacific Coast Highway.
    I did it only once. Almost died. Like ten times. You know what it's like.

    The temptation to not watch the road is strong -- and dangerous. Also maddening because many people are terrified and drive maddeningly
    slowly, annoying the long train behind them. Same thing on the mountain
    roads in SoCal. Hard to regard my 2013 Corolla as a sportscar, but in comparison it is :-) It seems like it would be really shameful to be
    passed by a granny in a 10-YO Corolla.

    Lots of it are just gone,
    and one part was a steep dirt road. I happened to be driving when we
    started to slip. I made everyone get out while I backed down with the
    driver door open in case I had to jump. Turned out OK.

    Back east, there is also a highway 1 as I recall, that does the same.
    But we have to differentiate the interstates from the state highways.

    When we were doing all our coast-to-coast traveling we stuck to Fed and
    State highways. Interstates just aren't that interesting, although
    they're good for eating miles.

    And they call 'em "freeways" out here (even though they are _not_ free!).

    Apparently if you have a passenger the Express lanes are free, but I
    think you need a transponder for which you can pay a monthly charge or
    keep a $25 deposit or SOMETHING. It's not personally useful, so I'm
    kind of hazy on the details.

    Even if I had a paper map with me, it would be useless until I figured out where I was on it. (You remember those days, don't you?).

    I love maps. When we stopped at gas stations the kids were instructed
    to get one each of every map the station had. We still have them. The
    kids learned to read maps when they were pretty small, and my daughter
    loved telling us how to get where we were going. She's a professional
    Tour Director now :-)

    My kids? They don't know what a paper map is. They think AAA is for towing.

    Kids these days...

    They know nothing about this fantastically well-designed system.

    It's so well designed that we don't NEED to know about it!

    This is true even as you may have been joking. For example, all the sign posts are designed to be breakaway - so much that they blow away in teh
    wind out here.

    Tehachapi. First time we ever saw those huge windmills was on our
    dirtbikes. We came over a hill and there were these monsters making
    strange whooshing sounds. No fences, nobody around, just a lot of
    windmills. Different kinds that you don't see any more, like spirals...

    People probably don't notice any of that stuff... do they?

    There are schoolbus-colored signs giving speed limits for curves etc.
    Those are just recommendations and are suitable for elderly monsterhomes.


    BTW, did you ever try to pass the California lollipop?
    It's damn near impossible on a big bike unless you're a circus rider.

    What is the California lollipop?

    My beemer is smooth shifting but still, the book says you should stay in
    gear so that you can scoot out if someone doesn't see you and tries as a result to hit you head on - which just isn't going to give you enough time anyway even if you are already in gear. Plus your paw will be sore.

    I guess dirtriders develop more muscle. Constant changing of gears,
    clutch and brakes speeds up reflexes. When was the last time you had to throttle, clutch and brake with hand and foot all at the same time?

    Sauerkraut is almost food if you have nothing else. What I liked were
    the NY hot dogs with almost-caramelized onions. And the REAL frozen
    custard. I've never had any ice cream that good EVER.

    The pizza is damn good in NYC too!
    They make it on stone/clay surfaces with fire heating.
    a) Dripping with olive oil, tomato sauce & mozzarella cheese
    b. And you eat it with your hands (curled up, and dripping hot)

    Easterners fold the slice in half, which is definitely more efficient so
    I've adopted this custom.

    Out here in California they make pizza wrong(ly).
    a) They use electric ovens with wire grills

    You can buy a pizza stone if you want; they aren't banned.

    b) And they put stuff on it that doesn't belong (like pineapple)

    I thought ham+pineapple was wildly inappropriate until I actually tasted
    it. Not bad. Not as good as REAL pizza, though.

    And then they eat it with a fork!
    Who does that?

    People who wipe their butts with their hands.

    Costco won't even give you those little packets of the stuff anymore.
    Must be a prop 65 sort of things...

    I miss their combo pizza.

    Huh? The pepperoni/cheese combo?
    Did they remove it?

    Peperoni, sausage, onion, olive... They don't have that any more, just peperoni. Greasier and less interesting. That's another reason the
    Amazon Fresh pizzas are better. If you have one nearby give it a shot.

    I went on a diet of trying to avoid highly processed carbs.
    And my wife cooks better than Gordon Ramsey.
    So I don't do the Costco food anymore.

    I used to cook, but not any more. Now I just assemble and heat.
    There's a big difference.

    But I didn't know they ditched a mainstay.
    Gotta check next time I'm there...
    I used to love, at Costco, the $150 hotdog with soda and the $5 chicken.

    They still have those. AF has chickens, but they're smaller.

    Give the government money.
    They will abuse it.

    Thank God we don't get anywhere near the amount of government we pay for.

    --
    Cheers, Bev
    I'd tell you a UDP joke, but you might not get it.
    -- K.E. Long

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to sms on Mon Oct 23 12:30:04 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 10/23/23 8:56 AM, sms wrote:
    On 10/22/2023 11:24 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 10/22/23 5:01 PM, sms wrote:
    On 10/21/2023 4:24 PM, The Real Bev wrote:

    <snip>

    I wish we'd mortgaged ourselves up to the hilt and bought the most
    expensive home in San Marino that we could afford. Buying cheap so we >>>> could just walk away if we had to move across the country for work
    was a big mistake.

    Yeah, when we bought our house in California had we spent another $200K
    we would have a house that was worth a million dollars more than what
    our house is worth now, and it would have been a newer house without all >>> the issues of a 1960's tract home. We could have afforded it but we
    didn't want to be so house poor.

    <snip>

    It's a constant battle.  They're trying to split the roll so that
    business property would no longer be protected.  People are stupid
    and this just might succeed.

    No, what has happened is that businesses are now paying a much smaller
    percentage of the total property tax because there are ways to transfer
    ownership of a commercial property without it being reassessed. So
    homeowners are subsidizing businesses.

    Yup.  And if their property taxes increase WE, the customers, will be
    paying them.  Businesses don't pay taxes, the consumers do.  And the
    State wastes it.

    Prices for goods are set by the market. Businesses can't increase prices
    just because their cost of production goes up because their competitors
    will not. If Apple's property taxes go up they can't just raise the
    prices of all their products.

    Sure they can! Apple more than most due to the loyalty factor.

    <snip>

    The parents worked for it.  If they want to give it to their kids to do
    whatever they damn please with it that's proper.  The parents already
    paid a shit pot of property and income taxes;  that's enough.

    Nothing in Prop 19 stops the parents from giving their house, with no mortgage, to their adult children. What it changes is that the adult
    children no longer get the artificially low assessed value. Remember,
    Prop 13 was sold to voters as "preventing seniors from losing their
    homes because of the increase in assessed value." The 2% limit is
    reasonable and it was expected that when the seniors sold the property
    it would be reassessed at market value. It was not expected that the artificially low property tax would remain in perpetuity with those that inherit the property being subsidized by everyone else.

    How property is assessed is a simple choice by the assessors. They can
    do whatever they damn please. It seems unreasonable to have to pay a tax
    every year on something you bought ONCE. Apply this rule to everything
    else you buy. They'd do it if the record-keeping weren't such a bitch.

    This is a religious issue. Roughly half of our income goes to taxes of
    one sort or another. I think about this in April and try to forget
    about it the rest of the year. Our quality of life has fallen, along
    with the quality of public services. Kalifornia's state income tax used
    to be roughly 10% of the Federal take. Now it's roughly half. First
    sales tax I remember is 3%. Now it's over 10%. And the only actual improvement we have is the deteriorating interstates. Everything else
    has been provided by industry. Think about that.

    If they weren't governments they'd be thieves.

    --
    Cheers, Bev
    "If your mechanic claims that he stands behind his brake jobs, keep
    looking. You want to find one willing to stand in front of them."

    -- B. Ward

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Mon Oct 23 18:48:28 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-10-23 15:30, The Real Bev wrote:

    Sure they can!  Apple more than most due to the loyalty factor.

    Funny how quality, integration, performance and reliability breed that.

    The fiends!

    --
    “Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
    - John Maynard Keynes.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Mon Oct 23 18:08:25 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 10/22/2023 5:07 PM, The Real Bev wrote:

    <snip>

    There's an initiative to require proposition titles to accurately
    reflect the contents. It will be interesting to see how the opponents
    spin that.

    That would be wonderful if it could be enforced.

    Right now, the State Attorney General writes the title and summary for
    State Ballot Measures. This is supposed to prevent the legislature from crafting titles and summaries that favor their campaign contributors.

    It doesn't work. The AG does not write accurate titles and summaries. I
    am involved in one initiative that was supposed to go on the 2024 ballot
    to restore local control and to stop the legislature from selling out to
    real estate interests, see <https://ourneighborhoodvoices.com/>. But the attorney general, apparently under pressure from various entities, wrote
    an inaccurate title and summary so there would be no chance of this
    initiative passing given that title and summary.

    I met one of the San Francisco supervisors a few years ago and was
    talking to him about what is transpiring with the Democratic State
    Legislature. He called them "Real Estate Republicans" even though they
    are all Democrats. They sell out to real estate investors, big time. If
    you're familiar with the RHNA process which forces cities to zone for
    far more housing than is needed, by using false data that predicts
    future population trends, that is all promoted by the legislature to
    benefit their campaign contributors. Read "Inside Game: California
    YIMBY, Scott Wiener, and Big Tech’s Troubling Housing Push" <https://www.housingisahumanright.org/inside-game-california-yimby-scott-wiener-and-big-tech-troubling-housing-push/>
    and "What Is a YIMBY? (Hint: It’s Not Good)" <https://www.housingisahumanright.org/what-is-a-yimby-hint-its-not-good/>

    In my own city, we had our City Attorney write an accurate title and
    summary for a local ballot measure. We were satisfied with it. But the
    City Council forced him to change it, adding a "big lie," in order to
    favor a local developer. It was close, but the false title and summary
    could not be overcome, voters could just not be made aware of the facts.

    Sometimes the government is like Usenet or other forums where you have
    people with a vested interest that they advocate for, ignoring all the
    factual data. You see this with some of our favorite trolls like "Arlen Holder," who promulgates almost non-stop misinformation for known
    reasons though at least on Usenet no one actually believes it!

    The other issue with State Ballot Measures is that they are only allowed
    to address a single issue. Prop 19 violated this by including the
    changes to inherited property with the ability to take your Prop 13
    assessed value anywhere in the state, and including "wildfires,"
    resulting in an extremely misleading title "The Home Protection for
    Seniors, Severely Disabled, Families, and Victims of Wildfire or Natural Disasters Act," while not mentioning the changes to assessed value for inherited property. I voted no on Prop 19 because any proposition put
    forth by the California Association of Realtors is suspect, though the
    change to being able to turn inherited owner-occupied property into
    income property while retaining the Prop 13 assessed value is long overdue.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Mon Oct 23 21:21:12 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 10/23/23 14:30, The Real Bev wrote:
    If they weren't governments they'd be thieves.

    "Steal an apple, and you're a thief. Steal a city, and you're a statesman"
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to sms on Tue Oct 24 00:40:08 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote

    There's an initiative to require proposition titles to accurately
    reflect the contents. It will be interesting to see how the opponents
    spin that.

    That would be wonderful if it could be enforced.

    For those reading this discussion among the Californians who might not know
    how the "proposition" process works, there are two fundamental components.

    1. In many governments outside of California, the people can't propose
    & vote on laws but in California, _anyone_ can propose any law they want
    and foist a vote on that law - which becomes legally binding if won.

    2. Never - and I must repeat - *NEVER* does the title of the law bear
    any resemblance to the truth about what that law actually proposes.

    An example is one I already discussed which is "Modernize the lottery!",
    which had _nothing_ to do whatsoever with anything but taxing proceeds.

    Although the most egregious are the abortion laws, such as "Protect our children!" when they are forcing kids to inform their parents and in some
    cases inform the government _before_ they're allowed to have an abortion.

    In summary, lest you be confused....
    *NEVER is a California proposition what it says it is*
    --
    A proposition's success is proportionate to the stupididy of the voter.

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Mon Oct 23 22:42:57 2023
    On 10/23/23 3:48 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2023-10-23 15:30, The Real Bev wrote:

    Sure they can!  Apple more than most due to the loyalty factor.

    Funny how quality, integration, performance and reliability breed that.

    The fiends!

    And my very own daughter is one of them. I thought I raised her better.

    I think you stick with the system you started with unless there's some overwhelming reason to change. The first iPhones were better than the competition, and Daughter isn't interested in the actual technology, she
    just wants it to work and has a much less frugal attitude than I have.
    She still has the AOL email address she started with.

    As a tour director she uses her phone constantly, so I can see why she
    would just keep updating her phones as her ISP (Verizon, I think) makes attractive offers. I can forgive her.

    --
    Cheers, Bev
    Exercising would be so much more rewarding if calories
    screamed while you burned them.

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Tue Oct 24 03:42:01 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote

    Sure they can! Apple more than most due to the loyalty factor.

    Funny how quality, integration, performance and reliability breed that.

    While it's clear Alan Browne drank the punch, a normal person would realize
    a few things that any adult should know... such as the meaning of the word
    "commodity"

    HINT: *A phone is a commodity*.
    They're all the same. They all do the same things.
    (Although an iPhone does less than Android, it doesn't matter for this
    purpose of defining what the price of the object will be & the demand.)

    *Both an iPhone and an Android phone are commodities.*

    My free Galaxy, for example, does more than any iPhone ever could do,
    and yet it too is simply a commodity. It makes phone calls & texts people.

    The job of Apple is to fool people like Alan Browne into thinking otherwise (where that is the sole job of the marketing organization inside Apple).

    *MARKETING will tell you it's not just a phone, it's YELLOW!*

    Where else can you get that particular shade of a phone but at Apple!
    And only for the iPhone 14 too.

    So now the phone is no longer a commodity, but a specialty item.
    For stupid people like Alan Browne, that is.

    HINT: This is basic stuff they teach you in undergraduate marketing.

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Tue Oct 24 19:34:39 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote

    And my very own daughter is one of them. I thought I raised her better.

    I think you stick with the system you started with unless there's some overwhelming reason to change. The first iPhones were better than the competition, and Daughter isn't interested in the actual technology

    If all someone does with a phone is talk, text & play games, then an iPhone
    is just as good as Android at that but the phone is still a commodity.

    Apple marketing's sole just is to make stupid people "think" that an iPhone
    is a specialty item - which let's admit - they're very good at doing.

    It's exactly why they "differentiate" with "Titanium" & "YELLOW" colors.

    Stupid people like Alan believe that if you paint that pork belly commodity yellow, then it's no longer a commodity - but now it's a speciality item.
    --
    The whole point of Usenet is to find people who know more than you do.
    And to contribute to the overall tribal knowledge value of the newsgroup.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Wally J on Tue Oct 24 16:48:53 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-10-24 16:34, Wally J wrote:
    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote

    And my very own daughter is one of them. I thought I raised her better.

    I think you stick with the system you started with unless there's some
    overwhelming reason to change. The first iPhones were better than the
    competition, and Daughter isn't interested in the actual technology

    If all someone does with a phone is talk, text & play games, then an iPhone is just as good as Android at that but the phone is still a commodity.

    Apple marketing's sole just is to make stupid people "think" that an iPhone is a specialty item - which let's admit - they're very good at doing.

    "Apple marketing's sole just"?

    Try again in English, bright boy.


    It's exactly why they "differentiate" with "Titanium" & "YELLOW" colors.

    Stupid people like Alan believe that if you paint that pork belly commodity yellow, then it's no longer a commodity - but now it's a speciality item.

    LOL!

    I believe that Apple's products work exceedingly well for consumers.

    I know this in large part by paying attention to how little need for
    support I get from my Apple-using clients.

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