For those in California, there's the MyShake app to give early
warning of earthquakes. But in light of stories like this one, is
there any reason for Android users to install that app?

<https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/california-warned-2-2-million- people-via-phone-alerts-before-earthquake-hit/>

It sure sounds like the warnings came through the state alert system,
so I wonder what if anything MyShake could have added.

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Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote

For those in California, there's the MyShake app to give early
warning of earthquakes. But in light of stories like this one, is
there any reason for Android users to install that app?

<https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/california-warned-2-2-million- people-via-phone-alerts-before-earthquake-hit/>

It sure sounds like the warnings came through the state alert system,
so I wonder what if anything MyShake could have added.

Since I did some research on Stan's question, the answer may be lost
to those who can't handle detail, so I'll answer the question up front.
Q: MyShake app -- redundant? (Californiia)
A: Not really. It does much of the same but also more than the default.
Hence, it's additive (even in California).

While they ran most of the tests in California alone it seems...
<https://www.kqed.org/science/1984781/myshake-earthquake-alert-test-thursday> Which the scientist who designed the test said it worked as planned...
<https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/scientist-who-helped-create-myshake-app-says-alert-worked-as-planned/>

The iOS/Android MyShake app says it works for almost everyone in the world:
<https://myshake.berkeley.edu>

The free MyShake app is available on both iOS and Android for the world.
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/myshake/id1467058529>
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=edu.berkeley.bsl.myshake>

See gory details below as to how I arrived at that factual assessment...

I live within line of sight of the San Andreas fault line & my house has
never been through a big one so I'm always wondering what will happen.

But I'll probably know all about it sooner than most people will given earthquake insurance is roughly about sixty thousand dollars a year
(which is way cheaper than fire insurance at only about half of that).

The point of bringing that up is we live in a dangerous area, by choice.

Besides, I get so many California alerts on the strangest things, I turn
them all off (plus I'm not sure how much tracking is inevitably done).

If you don't believe how strange California is, then read one of these.
í° *In a first, California's Ebony Alert will help find missing Black people* í° <https://www.npr.org/2023/10/15/1205950946/in-a-first-californias-ebony-alert-will-help-track-down-missing-black-people>
í° <https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/11/us/california-ebony-alert-reaj/index.html>
í° <https://www.npr.org/2023/10/11/1205151447/california-ebony-alert-system-missing-black-youth-women>
í° <https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/california-just-created-ebony-alert-find-missing-black-children-rcna119679>
etc.

However, most of the world isn't alerted to death like we are in California (don't even get me started on the proposition 65 alerts everywhere!).
<https://www.p65warnings.ca.gov>

Stan's question is valid as it's a need for many to know about shakers.

I was previously ignorant of this "shakealert" app so I thank Stan
for bringing it up as, with every question, I research to learn more.

I suggest whenever someone suggests an app, I they supply the link.
That way, everyone else doesn't have to look for that link (and worse,
in some cases, there are look-alike copycat apps with similar names).

This search though, seems to find what I think is the app Stan mentioned.

*MyShake* by UC Berkeley Seismological Laboratory
"Get earthquake early warning alerts in California, Oregon & Washington!"
free,adfree,inappfree,requires gsf,3.6star,4.68K reviews,1M+Downloads
"Receive timely, potentially life-saving early warning alerts in
California, Oregon and Washington. MyShake uses the USGS ShakeAlert
system to deliver alerts for earthquakes of magnitude 4.5 (or greater)
several seconds before shaking arrives."
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=edu.berkeley.bsl.myshake>

As you noted, there's already a native Android setting that does that.
Settings > Safety and emergency > Earthquake alerts = on/off
(Earthquake alerts are on by default.)
"Android uses your approximate location to send info about nearby
earthquakes of magnitude 4.5 and above. Earthquakes are detected by
ShakeAlert (CA, OR & WA) and by Android (all other locations)"

Learn more: <https://support.google.com/android/answer/9319337>
These earthquake alerts are based on the Android Earthquake Alerts System.

Where the Android Earthquake Alerts System is active, namely Afghanistan
Albania Algeria Anguilla Antigua and Barbuda Argentina Armenia Aruba
Australia Austria Azerbaijan Barbados Bangladesh Belize Bhutan Bolivia
Bosnia & Herzegovina Brazil Bulgaria Chile Colombia Croatia Cuba Cyprus
Czechia (Czech Republic) Djibouti Dominica Dominican Republic Ecuador
Egypt El Salvador Eritrea Ethiopia Falkland Islands France Georgia
Germany Greece Grenada Guadeloupe Haiti Honduras Hungary Iceland
India Iran Iraq Israel Jamaica Jordan Kazakhstan Kosovo Kyrgyzstan
Laos Lebanon Malaysia Moldova Mongolia Montenegro Myanmar Nepal
New Zealand Nicaragua North Macedonia Oman Pakistan Palestine
Papua New Guinea Peru Philippines Portugal Romania Saint Barthelemy
Saint Martin San Marino Saudi Arabia Serbia Sint Maarten Slovakia
Slovenia Solomon Islands Somalia Spain Switzerland Tajikistan Tanzania
Thailand Timor-Leste Trinidad & Tobago Tunisia Turkey Turkmenistan
Ukraine United Arab Emirates Uzbekistan Vanuatu & Venezuela.

But, if you live in another region of the world, see the information below.

Looking up the app, it seems it provides added-value features such as
"Earthquake Map
View and explore a map of earthquakes around the world and get detailed
information such as earthquake magnitude, location and depth.
See community reports of shaking and damage.

Shake Experience Report
Submit your own experience of an earthquake including shaking intensity
and damage.
These reports are valuable to USGS to build quake experience maps.

Earthquake Notification
Stay informed of earthquakes as they occur by receiving notifications
on your phone.
Select your regions of interest and the earthquake magnitude.
You'll never miss out on any earthquake greater than M3.5!

Smartphone-Based Global Seismic Network
Participate in a smartphone-based global seismic network.
In this research project, your phone becomes a mini-seismometer
and contributes to the detection of earthquakes wherever you are.
This global citizen-science based seismic network has the potential
to provide early warning earthquake alerts in every region of the world,
even in the absence of traditional seismic networks!

About Us
MyShake is developed by the University of California, Berkeley,
Seismology Lab and funded by the California Governor's Office of
Emergency Services. The Berkeley Seismology Lab conducts essential
research on earthquakes and solid earth processes while collecting
and delivering high quality geophysical data.

Learn more at http://myshake.berkeley.edu"

I didn't even know about this app until Stan mentioned it, so I'm
glad he did since ignorance can always be easily cured with effort.

My summary of the answer to Stan's apropos question is that the
app strives to add value for people in many countries, and even
for people in the three western US states, the app seems to
provide added value in ways other than just the earthquake alerts.
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On 10/20/23 8:58 AM, Stan Brown wrote:

For those in California, there's the MyShake app to give early
warning of earthquakes. But in light of stories like this one, is
there any reason for Android users to install that app?

<https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/california-warned-2-2-million- people-via-phone-alerts-before-earthquake-hit/>

It sure sounds like the warnings came through the state alert system,
so I wonder what if anything MyShake could have added.

My husband can hear earthquakes perhaps 5 seconds (I've never actually
timed it) before we can feel them. Nobody has contacted him yet about
this talent, which is a real shame. Lives could be saved...

--
Cheers, Bev
"I read somewhere that 77 per cent of all the mentally ill live in
poverty. Actually, I'm more intrigued by the 23 per cent who are
apparently doing quite well for themselves." -- Emo Philips

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The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote

But I'll probably know all about it sooner than most people will given
earthquake insurance is roughly about sixty thousand dollars a year
(which is way cheaper than fire insurance at only about half of that).

Jesus. Rates must be based on distance from the fault. Ours is way
less than our proptax (thanks, Prop13).

I agree with you on _everything_ you said in this California post!

Our property taxes are more than most people's rent (at tens of thousands
per year - which - thanks to Trump - isn't even deductible anymore), but I
made a boo boo when I looked back. The Fire Insurance is about $30K/year so it's a bargain at about 1/2 (not double) the Earthquake Insurance.

The point of bringing that up is we live in a dangerous area, by choice.

We have a small wood-frame house built in 195x which we bought in 1967,
maybe one mile south of the Angeles Forest foothills. Cracks in the
concrete porch, but nothing worrisome. We had some bookshelves come
down, which enabled us to contribute a lot of books to the library
rather than putting them back on the shelves. That's about it. So far,
so good.

I've seen the photos of the big one where the ground shifted at the curb
about six inches overall in San Francisco, and in the surrounding areas a
fence broke in half when it slid sidewise about five or six feet it seems.

Up here, in the hills overlooking the San Andreas fault line, it's easy to
see the fault line because there is a torn-up valley that goes from the
Santa Cruz mountains along highway 280 to Crystal Reservoir and to the
namesake San Andreas Lake.

West of the fault are ancient soils underlain by granite torn off from the southern tip of the Sierras from way down in your area near to LA - but
east of the fault line are young'ish 30-million-year-old mafic San
Franciscan sediments, mostly cherts plowed up from the ocean seafloor when
the Farallon Plate was finally consumed at the SF Bay Area latitude.

While we're on this topic, ever notice that the mountain ridges are all
about the same height? And that they're that way on both sides of Silicon Valley? That's no accident.

The Silicon Valley itself was caused by a fault block that dropped, and
filled in with ocean water and hence with bay sediments which is why it's
flat.

The mountains, where "were" a plateau at the time of all of this happening, slowly wore away at the cracks and crevices such that they're mountains now
but they were a flat table then (which is why all the peaks are about the
same height).

However, most of the world isn't alerted to death like we are in California >> (don't even get me started on the proposition 65 alerts everywhere!).
<https://www.p65warnings.ca.gov>

I don't even notice them any more, but this one does stand out -- it's
next to the drinks machine at the gym.

I find the phrase "known TO the State of California" to be hopelessly pompous. As is the whole warning, actually. And stupid. They stick
them on BUILDINGS!

They're pretty much on almost everything, as you've noted.

Recently I bought a garden hose connection, and it was stamped on that.
Same with tools, such as hammers.

There comes a point where "the sky is falling" is ignored by the people.
A case in point is the Amber Alert signs we paid for all along the highways started telling us to stop watering our lawns due to drought conditions.

What irked me about them is they had NOTHING to do with Amber Alerts.
And, worse - they had NOTHING to do with anything on the highway.

At least those incessantly stupidly idiotically illogical signs saying
"It's the law!" is the only reason for doing things related to driving.

Likewise with those idiotically illogical signs telling us how much the infraction is for driving in the commuter lane is - WTF?

Is that how California politicians actually think?
The _only_ reason for their signs is either
a. Do it only because it's the law - not for any other reason
b. Don't do it only because of the cost - not for any other reason

Do any other states do these crazy things other than California?

And Newsom wants to run for President. Apparently he's making a stop in Israel on his way to China to discuss global warming. Would Kalifornia
be better or worse off if he moved to DC? Ponder...

And we have to pay for Newsom's trip to those countries too!
No wonder our property taxes are tens of thousands of dollars per year.
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On 10/20/23 10:15 AM, Wally J wrote:

I live within line of sight of the San Andreas fault line & my house has never been through a big one so I'm always wondering what will happen.

But I'll probably know all about it sooner than most people will given earthquake insurance is roughly about sixty thousand dollars a year
(which is way cheaper than fire insurance at only about half of that).

Jesus. Rates must be based on distance from the fault. Ours is way
less than our proptax (thanks, Prop13).

The point of bringing that up is we live in a dangerous area, by choice.

We have a small wood-frame house built in 195x which we bought in 1967,
maybe one mile south of the Angeles Forest foothills. Cracks in the
concrete porch, but nothing worrisome. We had some bookshelves come
down, which enabled us to contribute a lot of books to the library
rather than putting them back on the shelves. That's about it. So far,
so good.

However, most of the world isn't alerted to death like we are in California (don't even get me started on the proposition 65 alerts everywhere!).
<https://www.p65warnings.ca.gov>

I don't even notice them any more, but this one does stand out -- it's
next to the drinks machine at the gym.

I find the phrase "known TO the State of California" to be hopelessly
pompous. As is the whole warning, actually. And stupid. They stick
them on BUILDINGS!

And Newsom wants to run for President. Apparently he's making a stop in
Israel on his way to China to discuss global warming. Would Kalifornia
be better or worse off if he moved to DC? Ponder...


--
Cheers, Bev
"I read somewhere that 77 per cent of all the mentally ill live in
poverty. Actually, I'm more intrigued by the 23 per cent who are
apparently doing quite well for themselves." -- Emo Philips

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On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 13:15:55 -0400, Wally J wrote:

Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote

For those in California, there's the MyShake app to give early
warning of earthquakes. But in light of stories like this one, is
there any reason for Android users to install that app?

<https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/california-warned-2-2-million- people-via-phone-alerts-before-earthquake-hit/>

It sure sounds like the warnings came through the state alert system,
so I wonder what if anything MyShake could have added.

Since I did some research on Stan's question, the answer may be lost
to those who can't handle detail, so I'll answer the question up front.
Q: MyShake app -- redundant? (Californiia)
A: Not really. It does much of the same but also more than the default.
Hence, it's additive (even in California).
...
Looking up the app, it seems it provides added-value features such as
"Earthquake Map
View and explore a map of earthquakes around the world and get detailed
information such as earthquake magnitude, location and depth.
See community reports of shaking and damage.

Shake Experience Report
Submit your own experience of an earthquake including shaking intensity
and damage.
These reports are valuable to USGS to build quake experience maps.

Earthquake Notification
Stay informed of earthquakes as they occur by receiving notifications
on your phone.
Select your regions of interest and the earthquake magnitude.
You'll never miss out on any earthquake greater than M3.5!

Smartphone-Based Global Seismic Network
Participate in a smartphone-based global seismic network.
In this research project, your phone becomes a mini-seismometer
and contributes to the detection of earthquakes wherever you are.
This global citizen-science based seismic network has the potential
to provide early warning earthquake alerts in every region of the world,
even in the absence of traditional seismic networks!

Thanks for the info. Others may feel differently, but I don't find
any of those attractive to put yet another always-running app on my
phone.

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Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote

Thanks for the info. Others may feel differently, but I don't find
any of those attractive to put yet another always-running app on my
phone.

I'm glad you asked the question, which applies to Apple & Android users
around the world, so I took the facts you provided and answered the
question as best I could given my assessment of the facts.

Q: Is the iOS/Android My Shake app redundant in California?
A. For the most part, yes. However, it does some things additionally.

Since Android has the equivalent of that app native, a good question is
whether iOS has it also native, where a search shows that it also is.
<https://www.wikihow.com/Enable-Earthquake-Alerts-on-iPhone>

I was ignorant of the iPhone capability but ignorance is curable, where the first sentence of that article mentions Japan which wasn't noted prior.
"If you live in California, Oregon, or Japan, you have the ability
to enable earthquake alerts"

Notice the weird fact that Washington isn't included in the iOS capability,
yet Japan was traded for Washington in that iOS capability (apparently).

Android native: California, Oregon & Washington
iOS native: California, Oregon & Japan

To your point, I have _every_ alert turned off on my phone except the one (Presidential Alert) that can't be turned off so I understand concerns.

It all started with that idiotically designed "covid alert" functionality (which, as you can imagine, I never turned on and bear in mind I have a
degree in that stuff so I know it better than almost anyone on this ng).

Of course, I don't have a password/fingerprint/faceid either ('cuz I don't
live in a slum where most people seem to live who feel it's necessary).

Likewise, I don't have a mothership account on my phone (although the iPads
are basically non functional once I stopped logging into the mothership).

Nor do I log into any account while using the phone unless that log in
stays inside the app and does not _create_ an account on the phone.
(Don't laugh - there are many apps which create an account on the phone!)

Hell, I don't even have a default contacts sqlite database since every app seems intent on uploading our contacts to their mothership servers.

And when I install apps, I do it only anonymously (of course, that can't be done on iOS becuase Apple inserts your unique AppleID into all your apps!).

Of course I remove the advertising ID and I don't log into anything on
the web or inside of apps (if it needs an account, it's not on my phone).

I have my home Wi-Fi SSID set to not broadcast and to append "_nomap", to
keep out of Google/Mozilla/NetStumbler/Wigle/etc. wardriving databases
(and I randomize the MAC on every connection & never autoconnect either).

In addition, I have one-tap shortcuts galore to TURN OFF SETTINGS that constantly get turned on (I wonder why) every time you do stuff on the net (again, don't laugh - watch what Google Maps turns on & doesn't turn off!).

Offhand I probably missed dozens of other privacy tweaks I perform, where
I just added a new one-tap setting to ensure earthquake alerts are off.
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On 10/20/23 1:45 PM, Wally J wrote:

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote

But I'll probably know all about it sooner than most people will given
earthquake insurance is roughly about sixty thousand dollars a year
(which is way cheaper than fire insurance at only about half of that).

Jesus. Rates must be based on distance from the fault. Ours is way
less than our proptax (thanks, Prop13).

I agree with you on _everything_ you said in this California post!

Our property taxes are more than most people's rent (at tens of thousands
per year - which - thanks to Trump - isn't even deductible anymore), but I made a boo boo when I looked back. The Fire Insurance is about $30K/year so it's a bargain at about 1/2 (not double) the Earthquake Insurance.

You forced me to dig out the bills :-( Proptax this year is $1002 based
on an assessed value of $50K. The assessments can be increased by no
more than 2%/year (Thanks, Howard!), which accounts for the low value.
The median home price in SoCal is nearing $1million. Zillow thinks our
hovel is worth perhaps half that, but they aren't including bulldozing
charges.

Homeowner's insurance on the $310K they figure it would cost to rebuild (building value only) is $385/year. Quake insurance is $500/year. This increase is new.

I've seen the photos of the big one where the ground shifted at the curb about six inches overall in San Francisco, and in the surrounding areas a fence broke in half when it slid sidewise about five or six feet it seems.

Up here, in the hills overlooking the San Andreas fault line, it's easy to see the fault line because there is a torn-up valley that goes from the
Santa Cruz mountains along highway 280 to Crystal Reservoir and to the namesake San Andreas Lake.

On my only flight back from San Jose I deliberately chose a window seat
(this used to be FREE!) so I could see the fault. Unfortunately my
seatmate insisted on talking during the flight and I politely turned
toward him to answer instead of looking out the window. I wouldn't do
that today. Young people are stupid.

I recently borrowed a slick book from the library -- https://www.amazon.com/Field-Guide-San-Andreas-Fault/dp/1941384080/ref=sr_1_11?crid=4G2H0H005RDE&keywords=san+andreas+fault&qid=1697906609&sprefix=san+andreas+fault%2Caps%2C192&sr=8-11

I had intended to copy some of the detailed pages, but never got around
to it and returned the book. The spiral-bound version (super expensive)
comes with a CD, which would be infinitely more useful -- copy it to the
tablet and just follow the instructions.

<nifty fault-result description snipped>

However, most of the world isn't alerted to death like we are in California >>> (don't even get me started on the proposition 65 alerts everywhere!).
<https://www.p65warnings.ca.gov>

I don't even notice them any more, but this one does stand out -- it's
next to the drinks machine at the gym.

I find the phrase "known TO the State of California" to be hopelessly
pompous. As is the whole warning, actually. And stupid. They stick
them on BUILDINGS!

They're pretty much on almost everything, as you've noted.

Recently I bought a garden hose connection, and it was stamped on that.
Same with tools, such as hammers.

There comes a point where "the sky is falling" is ignored by the people.
A case in point is the Amber Alert signs we paid for all along the highways started telling us to stop watering our lawns due to drought conditions.

What irked me about them is they had NOTHING to do with Amber Alerts.
And, worse - they had NOTHING to do with anything on the highway.

At least those incessantly stupidly idiotically illogical signs saying
"It's the law!" is the only reason for doing things related to driving.

Likewise with those idiotically illogical signs telling us how much the infraction is for driving in the commuter lane is - WTF?

The signs announcing the next legal exit area are way too small to read
in the fraction of a second I have available at 80mph, the standard diamond-lane speed when possible. Absolutely useless. In some places
the separation line is broken, which I assume means we can slip in and
out at will rather than only in designated spots.

I really hate using the diamond lane -- motorcycles split (the only
sensible thing for them to do), but they're silent and if I move just a
bit to the right (does anyone maintain a perfect straight line?) I could
kill the poor guy. Moreover, you never can tell when some impatient
driver stopped in the 'fast' lane will decide to go for it.

Is that how California politicians actually think?
The _only_ reason for their signs is either
a. Do it only because it's the law - not for any other reason
b. Don't do it only because of the cost - not for any other reason

Because everyone involved in government is stupid and/or venal. If they
really gave a shit they'd replace the lights on the above-the-freeway
signs so we could read them in the dark. Headlights aren't aimed high
enough for the reflectors to work. Yeahyeahyeah, most people use their
app blablablabla but I'd rather know where I'm going for real -- google
and Garmin occasionally do weird things.

Do any other states do these crazy things other than California?

I'm sure they do. We're probably #1, though!

And Newsom wants to run for President. Apparently he's making a stop in
Israel on his way to China to discuss global warming. Would Kalifornia
be better or worse off if he moved to DC? Ponder...

And we have to pay for Newsom's trip to those countries too!
No wonder our property taxes are tens of thousands of dollars per year.

No politician should ever be paid to leave his office. Period.
Exception for the President to attend the occasional State Funeral, of
course.


--
Cheers, Bev
"When I was a kid my dad once joked that the best way to
prevent being on a plane with someone carrying a bomb
would be to bring your own bomb and not detonate it.
Sounded convincing. What are the odds that two people
board, each with a bomb?" -- Rowdy

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The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote

You forced me to dig out the bills :-( Proptax this year is $1002 based
on an assessed value of $50K. The assessments can be increased by no
more than 2%/year (Thanks, Howard!), which accounts for the low value.
The median home price in SoCal is nearing $1million. Zillow thinks our
hovel is worth perhaps half that, but they aren't including bulldozing charges.

Wow. Prop 13 saved you. I wish I had the first home I bought in California
for $200K as it is likely Zillow-worthed more than a million today.

Do you remember a couple of years ago they tried to erode prop 13 with a
series of related catch-me-if-you-can propositions to chop off parts of it?

Homeowner's insurance on the $310K they figure it would cost to rebuild (building value only) is $385/year. Quake insurance is $500/year. This increase is new.

You have a good deal. I happen to live, unfortunately, in one of the most expensive communities in the United States - which is also a Tier III fire
zone and within sight of the San Andreas fault - so that explains things.

My point on the alerts is that I wouldn't live in such a dangerous area if
I was worried about earthquakes - which is why I have alerts turned off.

On my only flight back from San Jose I deliberately chose a window seat
(this used to be FREE!) so I could see the fault. Unfortunately my
seatmate insisted on talking during the flight and I politely turned
toward him to answer instead of looking out the window. I wouldn't do
that today. Young people are stupid.

Here is what you would have seen from the sky (it's interactive).
<http://thulescientific.com/san-andreas-fault-map.html>

I recently borrowed a slick book from the library -- https://www.amazon.com/Field-Guide-San-Andreas-Fault/dp/1941384080

Nice find! "The Field Guide to the San Andreas Fault by David K Lynch".
I have his book on Cirrus clouds, but I didn't know of that field guide.
I'll keep an eye open for that field guide now that I know about it.

I have in my collection a few John Dvorak books on the topic, such as
Earthquake Storms: An Unauthorized Biography of the San Andreas Fault

I have all the Roadside Geology guides starting with Arizona decades
ago and when I moved to California I picked up the Norcal edition.

I almost never go anywhere without picking up some sort of "field guide" (Peterson's are great for nature lovers) such as the "Roadside Guide" or
the "Rough Guides" which exist for most areas of the world I've visited.

I had intended to copy some of the detailed pages, but never got around
to it and returned the book. The spiral-bound version (super expensive) comes with a CD, which would be infinitely more useful -- copy it to the tablet and just follow the instructions.

I was recently reading this 50-page paper which covers your area I think.

"High geologic slip rates since early Pleistocene initiation
of the San Jacinto and San Felipe fault zones in the San Andreas
fault system, Southern California, USA"

Likewise with those idiotically illogical signs telling us how much the
infraction is for driving in the commuter lane is - WTF?

The signs announcing the next legal exit area are way too small to read
in the fraction of a second I have available at 80mph, the standard diamond-lane speed when possible. Absolutely useless. In some places
the separation line is broken, which I assume means we can slip in and
out at will rather than only in designated spots.

Did you know that California was _forced_ to add those exit numbers?

I really hate using the diamond lane -- motorcycles split (the only
sensible thing for them to do), but they're silent and if I move just a
bit to the right (does anyone maintain a perfect straight line?) I could
kill the poor guy. Moreover, you never can tell when some impatient
driver stopped in the 'fast' lane will decide to go for it.

I ride a K1200 so I know all about what most bikers do. It's crazy.
They weave. That's not actually legal but they don't get tickets for it.

The way the California law works, last I checked (which was long ago when I took the lollipop test) is that both cagers and bikers have the same laws.

The laws do NOT prohibit "sharing" of a line if space permits.
So it works both ways.

A cager can legally share the same lane as the biker but it almost never happens, not the least of which is the bike can out accelerate the cage.

Bikers are supposed to follow all laws just like cars drivers do, where you should see what happens when a cager tries to share the lane at a light.

BTW, even the emergency vehicles must follow all laws in some states, but
not in California. When I was an EMT back east, I was taught that fact.

Is that how California politicians actually think?
The _only_ reason for their signs is either
a. Do it only because it's the law - not for any other reason
b. Don't do it only because of the cost - not for any other reason

Because everyone involved in government is stupid and/or venal. If they really gave a shit they'd replace the lights on the above-the-freeway
signs so we could read them in the dark. Headlights aren't aimed high
enough for the reflectors to work. Yeahyeahyeah, most people use their
app blablablabla but I'd rather know where I'm going for real -- google
and Garmin occasionally do weird things.

This is one of the many situations where cellphones make driving safer.
Anyone who says cellphones cause accidents doesn't know the statistics.
There have been progressively fewer accidents per mile driven in every
state in the USA since before, during & after the cellphone adoption.

That reliable fact isn't what the politicians who screamed for those
driving laws used - all they used were their cherry picked accidents.

Sigh. There's no logic in politics. Ask Steve all about it.
He used to be the Mayor of Cupertino. He knows politics.

Verizon was his biggest customer. Fancy that.

Do any other states do these crazy things other than California?

I'm sure they do. We're probably #1, though!

I think the wackiest states are about five, all blue, California, New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut and New Jersey although _they_ would throw Texas
in that category (I'm not sure which are the wacky red states though).

The governor recently vetoed a bill banning the caste system in California.
*California governor vetoes bill that would have banned caste discrimination*
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/2023/10/07/california-caste-discrimination-ban-newsom-veto/dd883386-654e-11ee-b406-3ea724995806_story.html>

And now we have ebony alerts for missing black people, apparently.
*California Ebony Alert will help find missing Black people*
<https://www.npr.org/2023/10/15/1205950946/in-a-first-californias-ebony-alert-will-help-track-down-missing-black-people>

And Newsom wants to run for President. Apparently he's making a stop in >>> Israel on his way to China to discuss global warming. Would Kalifornia
be better or worse off if he moved to DC? Ponder...

And we have to pay for Newsom's trip to those countries too!
No wonder our property taxes are tens of thousands of dollars per year.

No politician should ever be paid to leave his office. Period.
Exception for the President to attend the occasional State Funeral, of course.

I agree with you that it's not right for us to pay for their political campaigns in other countries - leave that to the experienced diplomats.

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