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  • OT The sad story of the Wabash and Erie Canal

    From micky@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 7 11:53:11 2023
    The wabash and Erie Canal connected Lake Erie with the Wabash River in
    Indiana. It was about 450 miles long, the longest canal built in the
    US. But it was only profitable for about 10 years. Maintenance costs
    were too high, and the investors and I think the states of Ohio and
    Indiana lost money for years before it was abanddoned.

    This is a sad story, and if it depresses me, I can only imagine how much
    it would sadden our dear public school students, so I'm going to see
    that this is removed from the Indiana History course that all junior
    high students in Indiana public schools take. And if Ohio students take
    Ohio History, I will do the same for them.

    We cannot be upsetting youngsters in their formative years. Florida has
    it right.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabash_and_Erie_Canal#Operation

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com on Sat Oct 7 11:54:46 2023
    I did it again. Sorry for the off topic post.

    In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 07 Oct 2023 11:53:11 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:



    The wabash and Erie Canal connected Lake Erie with the Wabash River in >Indiana. It was about 450 miles long, the longest canal built in the
    US. But it was only profitable for about 10 years. Maintenance costs
    were too high, and the investors and I think the states of Ohio and
    Indiana lost money for years before it was abanddoned.

    This is a sad story, and if it depresses me, I can only imagine how much
    it would sadden our dear public school students, so I'm going to see
    that this is removed from the Indiana History course that all junior
    high students in Indiana public schools take. And if Ohio students take
    Ohio History, I will do the same for them.

    We cannot be upsetting youngsters in their formative years. Florida has
    it right.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabash_and_Erie_Canal#Operation

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  • From Nil@21:1/5 to micky on Sat Oct 7 20:06:51 2023
    On 07 Oct 2023, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote in
    comp.mobile.android:

    I did it again. Sorry for the off topic post.

    You are forgiven ;) It's an interesting factoid regardless of context.

    A friend of mine lives on a vestige of the Erie Canal in Akron OH.
    Before he clued me in, I had no idea that the Erie Canal extended
    through Ohio. Fascinating!

    Similar to the Pony Express, which was certainly expensive and
    difficult to implement and was only viable for a few years. But
    important to the expansion of the country.


    In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 07 Oct 2023 11:53:11 -0400, micky
    <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:



    The wabash and Erie Canal connected Lake Erie with the Wabash
    River in Indiana. It was about 450 miles long, the longest canal
    built in the US. But it was only profitable for about 10 years. >>Maintenance costs were too high, and the investors and I think the
    states of Ohio and Indiana lost money for years before it was
    abanddoned.

    This is a sad story, and if it depresses me, I can only imagine
    how much it would sadden our dear public school students, so I'm
    going to see that this is removed from the Indiana History course
    that all junior high students in Indiana public schools take. And
    if Ohio students take Ohio History, I will do the same for them.

    We cannot be upsetting youngsters in their formative years.
    Florida has it right.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabash_and_Erie_Canal#Operation

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to rednoise9@rednoise9.invalid on Sat Oct 7 21:36:43 2023
    In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 07 Oct 2023 20:06:51 -0400, Nil <rednoise9@rednoise9.invalid> wrote:

    On 07 Oct 2023, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote in
    comp.mobile.android:

    I did it again. Sorry for the off topic post.

    You are forgiven ;) It's an interesting factoid regardless of context.

    A friend of mine lives on a vestige of the Erie Canal in Akron OH.
    Before he clued me in, I had no idea that the Erie Canal extended
    through Ohio. Fascinating!

    There were iiuc 3 separate canals connecting the Great Lakes with the
    Ohio River. One iirc went south from where Erie Pa. is. The Wabash
    and Erie Canal went mostly west from the west end of Lake Erie and a
    little south to get to the Wabash River. And I think there was a third
    but I don't where it went.

    And iirc state governments paid for a lot of the construction because
    otherwise they coudln't raise enough money.

    Lots of other canals too, including the C&O canal that I think was very successful.

    Similar to the Pony Express, which was certainly expensive and
    difficult to implement and was only viable for a few years. But
    important to the expansion of the country.

    Yes.


    In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 07 Oct 2023 11:53:11 -0400, micky >><NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:



    The w(W)abash and Erie Canal connected Lake Erie with the Wabash
    River in Indiana. It was about 450 miles long, the longest canal
    built in the US. But it was only profitable for about 10 years. >>>Maintenance costs were too high, and the investors and I think the
    states of Ohio and Indiana lost money for years before it was
    abanddoned.

    This is a sad story, and if it depresses me, I can only imagine
    how much it would sadden our dear public school students, so I'm
    going to see that this is removed from the Indiana History course
    that all junior high students in Indiana public schools take. And
    if Ohio students take Ohio History, I will do the same for them.

    We cannot be upsetting youngsters in their formative years.
    Florida has it right.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabash_and_Erie_Canal#Operation

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to micky on Sat Oct 7 19:52:10 2023
    On 10/7/23 6:36 PM, micky wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 07 Oct 2023 20:06:51 -0400, Nil <rednoise9@rednoise9.invalid> wrote:

    On 07 Oct 2023, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote in >>comp.mobile.android:

    I did it again. Sorry for the off topic post.

    You are forgiven ;) It's an interesting factoid regardless of context.

    A friend of mine lives on a vestige of the Erie Canal in Akron OH.
    Before he clued me in, I had no idea that the Erie Canal extended
    through Ohio. Fascinating!

    "Sixteen miles on the Erie Canal..."

    "We've hauled some barges in our day
    Filled with lumber, coal and hay
    And we know every inch of the way
    From Albany to Buffalo..."

    One of the songs we sang in elementary school.

    --
    Cheers, Bev
    "Few skills are so well rewarded as the ability to convince
    parasites that they are victims." --Thomas Sowell

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  • From Chris Green@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Sun Oct 8 08:39:48 2023
    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 10/7/23 6:36 PM, micky wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 07 Oct 2023 20:06:51 -0400, Nil <rednoise9@rednoise9.invalid> wrote:

    On 07 Oct 2023, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote in >>comp.mobile.android:

    I did it again. Sorry for the off topic post.

    You are forgiven ;) It's an interesting factoid regardless of context.

    A friend of mine lives on a vestige of the Erie Canal in Akron OH.
    Before he clued me in, I had no idea that the Erie Canal extended
    through Ohio. Fascinating!

    "Sixteen miles on the Erie Canal..."

    "We've hauled some barges in our day
    Filled with lumber, coal and hay
    And we know every inch of the way
    From Albany to Buffalo..."

    One of the songs we sang in elementary school.

    The one I know is a very drunken drinking song sung by Oscar Brandt
    with a repeated refrain about "the gin was getting low". :-)

    --
    Chris Green
    ยท

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  • From Bob Henson@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Sun Oct 8 08:43:39 2023
    The Real Bev wrote:

    On 10/7/23 6:36 PM, micky wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 07 Oct 2023 20:06:51 -0400, Nil
    <rednoise9@rednoise9.invalid> wrote:

    On 07 Oct 2023, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote in >>>comp.mobile.android:

    I did it again. Sorry for the off topic post.

    You are forgiven ;) It's an interesting factoid regardless of context.

    A friend of mine lives on a vestige of the Erie Canal in Akron OH.
    Before he clued me in, I had no idea that the Erie Canal extended
    through Ohio. Fascinating!

    "Sixteen miles on the Erie Canal..."

    "We've hauled some barges in our day
    Filled with lumber, coal and hay
    And we know every inch of the way
    From Albany to Buffalo..."

    One of the songs we sang in elementary school.

    One that appeared occasionally in English Folk Singing clubs too.

    --
    Bob
    Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

    Forced to choose between two evils - pick the one you haven't tried before!

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Bob Henson on Sun Oct 8 08:46:34 2023
    On 10/8/23 12:43 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
    The Real Bev wrote:

    On 10/7/23 6:36 PM, micky wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 07 Oct 2023 20:06:51 -0400, Nil
    <rednoise9@rednoise9.invalid> wrote:

    On 07 Oct 2023, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote in >>>>comp.mobile.android:

    I did it again. Sorry for the off topic post.

    You are forgiven ;) It's an interesting factoid regardless of context.

    A friend of mine lives on a vestige of the Erie Canal in Akron OH. >>>>Before he clued me in, I had no idea that the Erie Canal extended >>>>through Ohio. Fascinating!

    "Sixteen miles on the Erie Canal..."

    "We've hauled some barges in our day
    Filled with lumber, coal and hay
    And we know every inch of the way
    From Albany to Buffalo..."

    One of the songs we sang in elementary school.

    One that appeared occasionally in English Folk Singing clubs too.

    And then there's the Watkins Ale song. We didn't sing that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SznvtWsjRzg


    --
    Cheers, Bev
    "My parents just came back from a planet where the dominant lifeform
    had no bilateral symmetry, and all I got was this stupid F-Shirt."

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  • From Bob Henson@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Sun Oct 8 18:37:33 2023
    The Real Bev wrote:

    On 10/8/23 12:43 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
    The Real Bev wrote:

    On 10/7/23 6:36 PM, micky wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 07 Oct 2023 20:06:51 -0400, Nil
    <rednoise9@rednoise9.invalid> wrote:

    On 07 Oct 2023, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote in >>>>>comp.mobile.android:

    I did it again. Sorry for the off topic post.

    You are forgiven ;) It's an interesting factoid regardless of context. >>>>>
    A friend of mine lives on a vestige of the Erie Canal in Akron OH. >>>>>Before he clued me in, I had no idea that the Erie Canal extended >>>>>through Ohio. Fascinating!

    "Sixteen miles on the Erie Canal..."

    "We've hauled some barges in our day
    Filled with lumber, coal and hay
    And we know every inch of the way
    From Albany to Buffalo..."

    One of the songs we sang in elementary school.

    One that appeared occasionally in English Folk Singing clubs too.

    And then there's the Watkins Ale song. We didn't sing that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SznvtWsjRzg

    That one didn't get sung at the clubs we went to - far too sophisticated.
    :-)

    --
    Bob
    Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

    If I only had a little humility, I'd be perfect.

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to Nil on Sun Oct 8 12:09:08 2023
    On Sat, 07 Oct 2023 20:06:51 -0400, Nil wrote:
    A friend of mine lives on a vestige of the Erie Canal in Akron OH.
    Before he clued me in, I had no idea that the Erie Canal extended
    through Ohio. Fascinating!


    It doesn't, and didn't. That's the _Ohio_ and Erie Canal, which
    connected the Ohio Rivcer with Lake Erie via the Cuyahoga River.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_and_Erie_Canal

    "The Ohio and Erie Canal was a canal constructed during the 1820s and
    early 1830s in Ohio. It connected Akron with the Cuyahoga River near
    its outlet on Lake Erie in Cleveland, and a few years later, with the
    Ohio River near Portsmouth. It also had connections to other canal
    systems in Pennsylvania.

    "The canal carried freight traffic from 1827 to 1861, when the
    construction of railroads ended demand. From 1862 to 1913, the canal
    served as a water source for industries and towns. During 1913, much
    of the canal system was abandoned after important parts were flooded
    severely."

    --
    Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
    Shikata ga nai...

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm on Sun Oct 8 15:34:03 2023
    In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 8 Oct 2023 12:09:08 -0700, Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

    On Sat, 07 Oct 2023 20:06:51 -0400, Nil wrote:
    A friend of mine lives on a vestige of the Erie Canal in Akron OH.
    Before he clued me in, I had no idea that the Erie Canal extended
    through Ohio. Fascinating!


    It doesn't, and didn't. That's the _Ohio_ and Erie Canal, which

    Yeah, that's the third one that connected Lake Erie with the Ohio.

    The others were the Wabash and Erie Canal and the one whose name I don't remeember. One is surprising. Three is amazing. It's not like they
    are easy to make.

    connected the Ohio Rivcer with Lake Erie via the Cuyahoga River.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_and_Erie_Canal

    "The Ohio and Erie Canal was a canal constructed during the 1820s and
    early 1830s in Ohio. It connected Akron with the Cuyahoga River near
    its outlet on Lake Erie in Cleveland, and a few years later, with the
    Ohio River near Portsmouth. It also had connections to other canal
    systems in Pennsylvania.

    "The canal carried freight traffic from 1827 to 1861, when the
    construction of railroads ended demand. From 1862 to 1913, the canal
    served as a water source for industries and towns. During 1913, much
    of the canal system was abandoned after important parts were flooded >severely."

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