Kern County is roughly the size of Massachusetts, and
so it is possible for me to go months without ever
calling a number that's not in my contacts list and not
in the 661 area code.
Landline phones at our Visitor Center have a feature
that lets you skip dialing the 661 -- if you dial 7
digits and press the button to initiate call, they
prepend the 661. It's a minor convenience, granted, but
I wonder if there's any way to set my Android 13 Galaxy
Samsung A54 to do the same thing. (I'm using Google's
"Phone" app, not Samsung's.)
If the answer is "use app X from the Play Store", I'll
probably pass, because I'm trying not to accumulate
numerous apps of minor utility.
Kern County is roughly the size of Massachusetts, and
so it is possible for me to go months without ever
calling a number that's not in my contacts list and not
in the 661 area code.
Landline phones at our Visitor Center have a feature
that lets you skip dialing the 661 -- if you dial 7
digits and press the button to initiate call, they
prepend the 661. It's a minor convenience, granted, but
I wonder if there's any way to set my Android 13 Galaxy
Samsung A54 to do the same thing. (I'm using Google's
"Phone" app, not Samsung's.)
If the answer is "use app X from the Play Store", I'll
probably pass, because I'm trying not to accumulate
numerous apps of minor utility.
No. Also, the app from the Play Store that looked like it added this
feature (among many others) is gone <https://web.archive.org/web/20190312172859/https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tftbelow.prefixer>.
Kern County is roughly the size of Massachusetts, and so it is
possible for me to go months without ever calling a number that's not
in my contacts list
and not in the 661 area code.
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 05:05:17 -0700, Stan Brown
<the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
Kern County is roughly the size of Massachusetts, and
so it is possible for me to go months without ever
calling a number that's not in my contacts list and not
in the 661 area code.
Landline phones at our Visitor Center have a feature
that lets you skip dialing the 661 -- if you dial 7
digits and press the button to initiate call, they
prepend the 661. It's a minor convenience, granted, but
I wonder if there's any way to set my Android 13 Galaxy
Samsung A54 to do the same thing. (I'm using Google's
"Phone" app, not Samsung's.)
If the answer is "use app X from the Play Store", I'll
probably pass, because I'm trying not to accumulate
numerous apps of minor utility.
I was working as a telephone tech in New York City when area codes
were added. To this day I still enter area codes even if not needed.
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 05:05:17 -0700, Stan Brown
<the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
Kern County is roughly the size of Massachusetts, and
so it is possible for me to go months without ever
calling a number that's not in my contacts list and not
in the 661 area code.
Landline phones at our Visitor Center have a feature
that lets you skip dialing the 661 -- if you dial 7
digits and press the button to initiate call, they
prepend the 661. It's a minor convenience, granted, but
I wonder if there's any way to set my Android 13 Galaxy
Samsung A54 to do the same thing. (I'm using Google's
"Phone" app, not Samsung's.)
If the answer is "use app X from the Play Store", I'll
probably pass, because I'm trying not to accumulate
numerous apps of minor utility.
I was working as a telephone tech in New York City when area codes
were added. To this day I still enter area codes even if not needed.
Stan Brown wrote:
Kern County is roughly the size of Massachusetts, and so it is
possible for me to go months without ever calling a number that's not
in my contacts list
and not in the 661 area code.
Even local calls will require the area code for me soon. I recently got
this from Verizon:
"Beginning July 19, 2024, you must dial the area code + telephone number
on all calls, including calls within the same area code. On and after
this date, if you do not dial the area code + telephone number, your
calls will not complete and a recording will instruct you to hang up and
dial again, including the area code."
I still resent it. LA County has at least half a dozen, and I've had
four (including none) with the same phone number since 1960 and now
we're supposed to do 10-digit calls (plus 1, of course) in OUR OWN
FUCKING AREA CODE
I wonder if there's any way to set my Android 13 Galaxy
Samsung A54 to do the same thing.
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote
I still resent it. LA County has at least half a dozen, and I've had
four (including none) with the same phone number since 1960 and now
we're supposed to do 10-digit calls (plus 1, of course) in OUR OWN
FUCKING AREA CODE
[OT] Remember "Murry Hill 8" phone numbers way back when?
On 10/6/23 7:50 AM, AJL wrote:
Stan Brown wrote:
Kern County is roughly the size of Massachusetts, and so it is
possible for me to go months without ever calling a number that's not
in my contacts list
and not in the 661 area code.
Even local calls will require the area code for me soon. I recently got
this from Verizon:
"Beginning July 19, 2024, you must dial the area code + telephone number
on all calls, including calls within the same area code. On and after
this date, if you do not dial the area code + telephone number, your
calls will not complete and a recording will instruct you to hang up and
dial again, including the area code."
That's because potential suicides need their own special number to be
talked out of it.
Yet another solution in search of a problem.
On 10/6/23 6:04 AM, KenW wrote:
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 05:05:17 -0700, Stan Brown
<the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
Kern County is roughly the size of Massachusetts, and
so it is possible for me to go months without ever
calling a number that's not in my contacts list and not
in the 661 area code.
Landline phones at our Visitor Center have a feature
that lets you skip dialing the 661 -- if you dial 7
digits and press the button to initiate call, they
prepend the 661. It's a minor convenience, granted, but
I wonder if there's any way to set my Android 13 Galaxy
Samsung A54 to do the same thing. (I'm using Google's
"Phone" app, not Samsung's.)
If the answer is "use app X from the Play Store", I'll
probably pass, because I'm trying not to accumulate
numerous apps of minor utility.
I was working as a telephone tech in New York City when area codes
were added. To this day I still enter area codes even if not needed.
Ooma prepends the appropriate numbers.
I still resent it. LA County has at least half a dozen, and I've had
four (including none) with the same phone number since 1960 and now
we're supposed to do 10-digit calls (plus 1, of course) in OUR OWN
FUCKING AREA CODE because people who might want to be talked out of
suicide are too stupid to call 911 and need their own suicide-hotline
number.
I can't remember the suicide number, so I guess if I wanted to kill
myself and then decided I wanted somebody to talk me out of it I'd have
to call 911 to ask what the number is.
Somebody is not firing on all cylinders.
In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 6 Oct 2023 10:46:23 -0700, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/6/23 7:50 AM, AJL wrote:
Stan Brown wrote:
Kern County is roughly the size of Massachusetts, and so it is
possible for me to go months without ever calling a number that's not
in my contacts list
and not in the 661 area code.
Even local calls will require the area code for me soon. I recently got
this from Verizon:
"Beginning July 19, 2024, you must dial the area code + telephone number >>> on all calls, including calls within the same area code. On and after
this date, if you do not dial the area code + telephone number, your
calls will not complete and a recording will instruct you to hang up and >>> dial again, including the area code."
That's because potential suicides need their own special number to be >>talked out of it.
How does this change help them?
Yet another solution in search of a problem.
Kern County is roughly the size of Massachusetts, and
so it is possible for me to go months without ever
calling a number that's not in my contacts list and not
in the 661 area code.
Landline phones at our Visitor Center have a feature
that lets you skip dialing the 661 -- if you dial 7
digits and press the button to initiate call, they
prepend the 661. It's a minor convenience, granted, but
I wonder if there's any way to set my Android 13 Galaxy
Samsung A54 to do the same thing. (I'm using Google's
"Phone" app, not Samsung's.)
If the answer is "use app X from the Play Store", I'll
probably pass, because I'm trying not to accumulate
numerous apps of minor utility.
Stan Brown wrote:
Kern County is roughly the size of Massachusetts, and so it is
possible for me to go months without ever calling a number that's not
in my contacts list
and not in the 661 area code.
Even local calls will require the area code for me soon. I recently got
this from Verizon:
"Beginning July 19, 2024, you must dial the area code + telephone number
on all calls, including calls within the same area code. On and after
this date, if you do not dial the area code + telephone number, your
calls will not complete and a recording will instruct you to hang up and
dial again, including the area code."
Kern County is roughly the size of Massachusetts, and
so it is possible for me to go months without ever
calling a number that's not in my contacts list and not
in the 661 area code.
Landline phones at our Visitor Center have a feature
that lets you skip dialing the 661 -- if you dial 7
digits and press the button to initiate call, they
prepend the 661. It's a minor convenience, granted, but
I wonder if there's any way to set my Android 13 Galaxy
Samsung A54 to do the same thing. (I'm using Google's
"Phone" app, not Samsung's.)
If the answer is "use app X from the Play Store", I'll
probably pass, because I'm trying not to accumulate
numerous apps of minor utility.
The Real Bev wrote:
AJL wrote:
"Beginning July 19, 2024, you must dial the area code + telephone number >>> on all calls, including calls within the same area code. On and after
this date, if you do not dial the area code + telephone number, your
calls will not complete and a recording will instruct you to hang up and >>> dial again, including the area code."
That's because potential suicides need their own special number to be
talked out of it.
How does this change help them?
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
local calls will require the area code for me soon. I recently got
this from Verizon:
"Beginning July 19, 2024, you must dial the area code + telephone
number on all calls, including calls within the same area code. On
and after this date, if you do not dial the area code + telephone
number, your calls will not complete and a recording will instruct
you to hang up and dial again, including the area code."
It's already required for me here. I know nothing about the
technology that's involved, but it's very hard for me to imagine that
there's a good reason for this. It would seem to be very easy to automatically prepend the calling number's area code if no area code
was provided.
It was done that way for many years. Why the change?
The consensus seems to be that there's no way to do it in native
Android. Whether there's an app to do it is a moot point, for my
purposes, because I wouldn't install an app just for that.
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 05:05:17 -0700, Stan Brown wrote:
Kern County is roughly the size of Massachusetts, and
so it is possible for me to go months without ever
calling a number that's not in my contacts list and not
in the 661 area code.
Landline phones at our Visitor Center have a feature
that lets you skip dialing the 661 -- if you dial 7
digits and press the button to initiate call, they
prepend the 661. It's a minor convenience, granted, but
I wonder if there's any way to set my Android 13 Galaxy
Samsung A54 to do the same thing. (I'm using Google's
"Phone" app, not Samsung's.)
If the answer is "use app X from the Play Store", I'll
probably pass, because I'm trying not to accumulate
numerous apps of minor utility.
Thanks to those who replied (except those who felt the need to hate
on people who feel so low that they're contemplating suicide).
The consensus seems to be that there's no way to do it in native
Android. Whether there's an app to do it is a moot point, for my
purposes, because I wouldn't install an app just for that.
micky wrote:
The Real Bev wrote:
AJL wrote:
"Beginning July 19, 2024, you must dial the area code + telephone number >>>> on all calls, including calls within the same area code. On and after
this date, if you do not dial the area code + telephone number, your
calls will not complete and a recording will instruct you to hang up and >>>> dial again, including the area code."
That's because potential suicides need their own special number to be
talked out of it.
How does this change help them?
<https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/ten-digit-dialing>
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 07:50:22 -0700, AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
Stan Brown wrote:
Kern County is roughly the size of Massachusetts, and so it is
possible for me to go months without ever calling a number that's not
in my contacts list
and not in the 661 area code.
Even local calls will require the area code for me soon. I recently got
this from Verizon:
"Beginning July 19, 2024, you must dial the area code + telephone number
on all calls, including calls within the same area code. On and after
this date, if you do not dial the area code + telephone number, your
calls will not complete and a recording will instruct you to hang up and
dial again, including the area code."
It's already required for me here. I know nothing about the technology
that's involved, but it's very hard for me to imagine that there's a
good reason for this. It would seem to be very easy to automatically
prepend the calling number's area code if no area code was provided.
It was done that way for many years. Why the change?
However... there are ways to get the apps that people said do the trick.
You just have to sideload them (as I recall). What's so bad about that?
If the answer is "use app X from the Play Store", I'll
probably pass, because I'm trying not to accumulate
numerous apps of minor utility.
Ken Blake wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
local calls will require the area code for me soon. I recently got
this from Verizon:
"Beginning July 19, 2024, you must dial the area code + telephone
number on all calls, including calls within the same area code. On
and after this date, if you do not dial the area code + telephone
number, your calls will not complete and a recording will instruct
you to hang up and dial again, including the area code."
It's already required for me here. I know nothing about the
technology that's involved, but it's very hard for me to imagine that
there's a good reason for this. It would seem to be very easy to
automatically prepend the calling number's area code if no area code
was provided.
It was done that way for many years. Why the change?
Dunno. A quick search found:
"Why are we switching to 10-digit dialing?
Dialing both the area code and the seven-digit number was necessary to
ensure the call reached the intended recipient. As more area codes begin
to run out of new seven-digit numbers to assign, a second local area
code may be added, requiring that area to transition to 10-digit dialing."
Not sure that's the reason for my switch though.
I was working as a telephone tech in New York City when area codes
were added. To this day I still enter area codes even if not needed.
ANgeles when I was 5
CApitol when I was 6
HIllcrest when I was 10
ATlantic when I was 19
SYcamore when I was 20
From then on there were three area codes.
On 06 Oct 2023, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in comp.mobile.android:
ANgeles when I was 5
CApitol when I was 6
HIllcrest when I was 10
ATlantic when I was 19
SYcamore when I was 20
From then on there were three area codes.
OXbow for us in south L.A. county. Forever burnt into my brain.
As I said in my original query:
If the answer is "use app X from the Play Store", I'll
probably pass, because I'm trying not to accumulate
numerous apps of minor utility.
On 06 Oct 2023, KenW
<ken1943@invalid.net> wrote in comp.mobile.android:
I was working as a telephone tech in New York City when area codes
were added. To this day I still enter area codes even if not needed.
"If not needed"?? Lucky guy, you! Both my mobile and landline phones
REQUIRE and area code, even if I'm calling next door. Very annoying
when my landline phone doesn't record the area code if it's local, so
if I want to use the "redial" feature I have to edit the number to add
the area code. Grrrr...
On 2023-10-07 17:47, Ken Blake wrote:
It's already required for me here. I know nothing about the technology
that's involved, but it's very hard for me to imagine that there's a
good reason for this. It would seem to be very easy to automatically
prepend the calling number's area code if no area code was provided.
It was done that way for many years. Why the change?
No, it is not easy and safely done on mobiles.
The Real Bev wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
<https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/ten-digit-dialing>
Now I know that the suicide prevention number is 988. I wonder if I'll
remember that when/if I have an actual need for it.
Do we have any statistics on the effectiveness of 988 vs the current 911
system? I found data about numbers of calls, but NOTHING about how
effective they are.
Effective = person decided to stay alive. What about repeat calls? Not >> a really useful number, is it?
I don't know, I was just including a little info for us right-pondians
who may not keep up with the intricacies of the NANP
Andy Burns wrote:
<https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/ten-digit-dialing>
Now I know that the suicide prevention number is 988. I wonder if I'll remember that when/if I have an actual need for it.
Do we have any statistics on the effectiveness of 988 vs the current 911 system? I found data about numbers of calls, but NOTHING about how effective they are.
Effective = person decided to stay alive. What about repeat calls? Not
a really useful number, is it?
On 06 Oct 2023, KenW
<ken1943@invalid.net> wrote in comp.mobile.android:
I was working as a telephone tech in New York City when area codes
were added. To this day I still enter area codes even if not needed.
"If not needed"?? Lucky guy, you! Both my mobile and landline phones
REQUIRE and area code, even if I'm calling next door. Very annoying
when my landline phone doesn't record the area code if it's local, so
if I want to use the "redial" feature I have to edit the number to add
the area code. Grrrr...
Am 08.10.23 um 00:00 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2023-10-07 17:47, Ken Blake wrote:
It's already required for me here. I know nothing about the technology
that's involved, but it's very hard for me to imagine that there's a
good reason for this. It would seem to be very easy to automatically
prepend the calling number's area code if no area code was provided.
It was done that way for many years. Why the change?
No, it is not easy and safely done on mobiles.
Americans live in a rather small world ... ;-)
Am 08.10.23 um 12:22 schrieb Andy Burns:
The Real Bev wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
<https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/ten-digit-dialing>
Now I know that the suicide prevention number is 988. I wonder if I'll >>> remember that when/if I have an actual need for it.
Do we have any statistics on the effectiveness of 988 vs the current 911 >>> system? I found data about numbers of calls, but NOTHING about how
effective they are.
Effective = person decided to stay alive. What about repeat calls? Not >>> a really useful number, is it?
I don't know, I was just including a little info for us right-pondians
who may not keep up with the intricacies of the NANP
Right ponders?
I often wonder how nonmetric, nondecimal people and left-side drivers
can survive all the oddities of this world ...
On 10/8/23 3:30 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Right ponders?
I often wonder how nonmetric, nondecimal people and left-side drivers
can survive all the oddities of this world ...
We make everybody speak English. It all works out.
I've heard that huge blocks of phone numbers are allocated to <entities>
who end up using very few of them and that it would be a good thing to
be able to claw back the unused numbers. In Los Angeles (maybe
elsewhere too) it was decided that cellphones would NOT be given a
separate prefix because that would engender some sort of
"discrimination". More spuriosity.
Am 08.10.23 um 17:57 schrieb The Real Bev:
On 10/8/23 3:30 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Right ponders?
I often wonder how nonmetric, nondecimal people and left-side drivers
can survive all the oddities of this world ...
We make everybody speak English. It all works out.
A language where not one single word is pronounced as it is written? I'd prefer Français or - of course and selfexplaining - German.
at the end of the 90s IIRC the area code became mandatory in all of
Europe AFAIK even for local calls.
Am 08.10.23 um 02:13 schrieb Nil:
On 06 Oct 2023, KenW
<ken1943@invalid.net> wrote in comp.mobile.android:
I was working as a telephone tech in New York City when area codes
were added. To this day I still enter area codes even if not needed.
"If not needed"?? Lucky guy, you! Both my mobile and landline phones
REQUIRE and area code, even if I'm calling next door. Very annoying
when my landline phone doesn't record the area code if it's local, so
if I want to use the "redial" feature I have to edit the number to add
the area code. Grrrr...
And that happens how often? Who uses landline phones more than once in a
while? Usually the 10 of most used phone-# cover at least 90% of all
calls with average private users.
On 10/8/23 9:09 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 08.10.23 um 17:57 schrieb The Real Bev:
On 10/8/23 3:30 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Right ponders?
I often wonder how nonmetric, nondecimal people and left-side drivers
can survive all the oddities of this world ...
We make everybody speak English. It all works out.
A language where not one single word is pronounced as it is written? I'd
prefer Français or - of course and selfexplaining - German.
You're not looking at it the right way. We steal from everyone, and the pronunciation is based on the original language. We have LOTS of German words. German words follow the proper German ie/ei etc. pronunciation.
We can't deal with the umlaut-o thing unless we actually studied German
(6 weeks for me -- I decided I didn't want to deal with any more
declensions after a year of Latin). Sometimes we just can't tell.
BUT I suspect it doesn't matter any more than the complex intonation structure of Mandarin -- which I TRIED to learn for a few weeks and gave
up because of the intonation -- google translate could only guess what I
was saying 10% of the time and the frustration level became intolerable.
BUT real Chinese people could figure out what I was saying just fine.
Perfectionists want to do it right, of course, but if you pronounce a
word wrong most people won't care and might feed you back the correct pronunciation -- if THEY know it. People who sneer at the pronunciation
of foreigners (or natives) are rude and personally inadequate anyway!
We aren't taught foreign languages properly. It doesn't start until
high school, and public school teachers are NOT native speakers --
except for Spanish, of course. Sometimes, anyway. My French teachers
were both from Boston. Native Frenchpersons thought I was Dutch. I was really good in high school, but I was aware that my "good" wasn't really
good enough -- although I could hold my own in Paris 20 years later.
Still, I am shamed by how well Europeans speak and write English while
we Americans are stuck with foreign guidebook-level expertise. Granted,
we don't really NEED to know foreign languages, but still...
The Real Bev wrote:
On 10/8/23 9:09 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 08.10.23 um 17:57 schrieb The Real Bev:
On 10/8/23 3:30 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Right ponders?
I often wonder how nonmetric, nondecimal people and left-side drivers >>>>> can survive all the oddities of this world ...
We make everybody speak English. It all works out.
A language where not one single word is pronounced as it is written? I'd >>> prefer Français or - of course and selfexplaining - German.
You're not looking at it the right way. We steal from everyone, and the
pronunciation is based on the original language. We have LOTS of German
words. German words follow the proper German ie/ei etc. pronunciation.
We can't deal with the umlaut-o thing unless we actually studied German
(6 weeks for me -- I decided I didn't want to deal with any more
declensions after a year of Latin). Sometimes we just can't tell.
BUT I suspect it doesn't matter any more than the complex intonation
structure of Mandarin -- which I TRIED to learn for a few weeks and gave
up because of the intonation -- google translate could only guess what I
was saying 10% of the time and the frustration level became intolerable.
BUT real Chinese people could figure out what I was saying just fine.
Perfectionists want to do it right, of course, but if you pronounce a
word wrong most people won't care and might feed you back the correct
pronunciation -- if THEY know it. People who sneer at the pronunciation
of foreigners (or natives) are rude and personally inadequate anyway!
We aren't taught foreign languages properly. It doesn't start until
high school, and public school teachers are NOT native speakers --
except for Spanish, of course. Sometimes, anyway. My French teachers
were both from Boston. Native Frenchpersons thought I was Dutch. I was
really good in high school, but I was aware that my "good" wasn't really
good enough -- although I could hold my own in Paris 20 years later.
Still, I am shamed by how well Europeans speak and write English while
we Americans are stuck with foreign guidebook-level expertise. Granted,
we don't really NEED to know foreign languages, but still...
Forget all these other languages - here in England we would rather you concentrated on coping with real English. You know the sort of thing - putting the "u" in colour and pronouncing the second "i" in aluminium. I
keep writing to the computer game writers and reminding them that "howdy"
is not a vaguely an English word but they don't listen.
I do speak a bit of Brooklyn, though.
Spring has sprung, da grass is riz,
I wonder where da boidies iz
The boid iz on de wing,
But dat’s absoid
From what I hoid
De wing iz on de liddle boid!
How was that? Did I sound good?
People who sneer at the pronunciation
of foreigners (or natives) are rude and personally inadequate anyway!
The Real Bev wrote:
On 10/8/23 9:09 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 08.10.23 um 17:57 schrieb The Real Bev:
On 10/8/23 3:30 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Right ponders?
I often wonder how nonmetric, nondecimal people and left-side drivers >>>>> can survive all the oddities of this world ...
We make everybody speak English. It all works out.
A language where not one single word is pronounced as it is written? I'd >>> prefer Français or - of course and selfexplaining - German.
You're not looking at it the right way. We steal from everyone, and the
pronunciation is based on the original language. We have LOTS of German
words. German words follow the proper German ie/ei etc. pronunciation.
We can't deal with the umlaut-o thing unless we actually studied German
(6 weeks for me -- I decided I didn't want to deal with any more
declensions after a year of Latin). Sometimes we just can't tell.
BUT I suspect it doesn't matter any more than the complex intonation
structure of Mandarin -- which I TRIED to learn for a few weeks and gave
up because of the intonation -- google translate could only guess what I
was saying 10% of the time and the frustration level became intolerable.
BUT real Chinese people could figure out what I was saying just fine.
Perfectionists want to do it right, of course, but if you pronounce a
word wrong most people won't care and might feed you back the correct
pronunciation -- if THEY know it. People who sneer at the pronunciation
of foreigners (or natives) are rude and personally inadequate anyway!
We aren't taught foreign languages properly. It doesn't start until
high school, and public school teachers are NOT native speakers --
except for Spanish, of course. Sometimes, anyway. My French teachers
were both from Boston. Native Frenchpersons thought I was Dutch. I was
really good in high school, but I was aware that my "good" wasn't really
good enough -- although I could hold my own in Paris 20 years later.
Still, I am shamed by how well Europeans speak and write English while
we Americans are stuck with foreign guidebook-level expertise. Granted,
we don't really NEED to know foreign languages, but still...
Forget all these other languages - here in England we would rather you concentrated on coping with real English. You know the sort of thing - putting the "u" in colour and pronouncing the second "i" in aluminium. I
keep writing to the computer game writers and reminding them that "howdy"
is not a vaguely an English word but they don't listen.
I do speak a bit of Brooklyn, though.
Spring has sprung, da grass is riz,
I wonder where da boidies iz
The boid iz on de wing,
But dat’s absoid
From what I hoid
De wing iz on de liddle boid!
How was that? Did I sound good?
Baltimore, all of Maryland, went to 10 digit phone numbers about 10
years ago. I didn't like it, but I got over it. Nil, try to get over
it.
On 10/8/2023 12:19 PM, micky wrote:
<snip>
Baltimore, all of Maryland, went to 10 digit phone numbers about 10
years ago. I didn't like it, but I got over it. Nil, try to get over
it.
One reason for requiring ten-digit dialing even within the same area
code is political.
On 2023-10-09 20:53, sms wrote:
On 10/8/2023 12:19 PM, micky wrote:
<snip>
Baltimore, all of Maryland, went to 10 digit phone numbers about 10
years ago. I didn't like it, but I got over it. Nil, try to get over
it.
One reason for requiring ten-digit dialing even within the same area
code is political.
On mobiles, no, there isn't. Remember that this is a mobile phone group.
Mobiles are designed to work with the full international number.
Mobiles are designed to work with the full international number.
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Mobiles are designed to work with the full international number.
Yet we don't have to dial +1 when making calls within the US.
Stan Brown wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Mobiles are designed to work with the full international number.
Yet we don't have to dial +1 when making calls within the US.
And strangely, we can omit +44 within the UK, or +34 within Spain ...
On Mon, 9 Oct 2023 21:32:00 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Mobiles are designed to work with the full international number.
Yet we don't have to dial +1 when making calls within the US.
On 10/9/2023 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-10-09 20:53, sms wrote:
On 10/8/2023 12:19 PM, micky wrote:
<snip>
Baltimore, all of Maryland, went to 10 digit phone numbers about 10
years ago. I didn't like it, but I got over it. Nil, try to get over >>>> it.
One reason for requiring ten-digit dialing even within the same area
code is political.
On mobiles, no, there isn't. Remember that this is a mobile phone group.
Mobiles are designed to work with the full international number.
That is true.
Samsung used to have a feature called "Auto Area Code" which would
append an area code, and/or a country code, onto a number. It was under "assisted dialing." See <https://www.verizon.com/support/knowledge-base-211828/>. It was not a
stock Android feature.
Stan Brown wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Mobiles are designed to work with the full international number.
Yet we don't have to dial +1 when making calls within the US.
And strangely, we can omit +44 within the UK, or +34 within Spain ...
On 10/7/23 11:01 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
micky wrote:
The Real Bev wrote:
AJL wrote:
"Beginning July 19, 2024, you must dial the area code + telephone number >>>> on all calls, including calls within the same area code. On and after >>>> this date, if you do not dial the area code + telephone number, your >>>> calls will not complete and a recording will instruct you to hang up and >>>> dial again, including the area code."
That's because potential suicides need their own special number to be
talked out of it.
How does this change help them?
<https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/ten-digit-dialing>
Now I know that the suicide prevention number is 988. I wonder if I'll remember that when/if I have an actual need for it.
Do we have any statistics on the effectiveness of 988 vs the current 911 system? I found data about numbers of calls, but NOTHING about how
effective they are.
Effective = person decided to stay alive. What about repeat calls? Not
a really useful number, is it?
Stan Brown wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Mobiles are designed to work with the full international number.
Yet we don't have to dial +1 when making calls within the US.
And strangely, we can omit +44 within the UK, or +34 within Spain ...
On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 01:38:55 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
Stan Brown wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Mobiles are designed to work with the full international number.
Yet we don't have to dial +1 when making calls within the US.
And strangely, we can omit +44 within the UK, or +34 within Spain ...
So if phones are smart enough to handle country codes,
it seems a pity that they can't handle area codes.
I suspect the reason is that doing so would be easy in
sparsely populated areas, where an area code covers a
large territory and no territory is served by two area
codes. But programmers tend to be in urban or suburban
regions where area codes cover smaller amounts of
ground, and often multiple codes are overlaid on the
same patch of ground.
As to the US [phone number] 'system', ... <firmly sitting on hands>
Some 40 years back or so in Switzerland the 6-digit local numbers were
blown up to 7-digit and then as Carlos already explained at the end of
the 90s IIRC the area code became mandatory in all of Europe AFAIK even
for local calls.
Those features are tricky. When the user changes zone, even momentarily,
the feature breaks producing wrong numbers or other unexpected results.
For example, 214 123456
Where is that phone? Texas, (Dallas)? Or Dominican Republic?
That trick is used for scams.
I was in Mexico within feet of the US border a few years ago and I
couldn't make a call with my US-only phone. No idea if that was a
phone or GPS function.
On 10/10/23 09:34, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Those features are tricky. When the user changes zone, even momentarily,
the feature breaks producing wrong numbers or other unexpected results.
Isn't like GPS only accurate to like a mile? If you were on the border,
it would probably go all wonky.
The Real Bev wrote:
I was in Mexico within feet of the US border a few years ago and I
couldn't make a call with my US-only phone. No idea if that was a
phone or GPS function.
When I'm traveling on Interstate 10 near the Mexican border my phone
will sometimes say 'Welcome to Mexico'. Apparently I'm hooking to a
Mexican tower. I don't make any calls while in the area since my plan
only covers the US and don't want any surprise bills...
On 10/11/2023 7:59 PM, AJL wrote:
The Real Bev wrote:
I was in Mexico within feet of the US border a few years ago and I
couldn't make a call with my US-only phone. No idea if that was a
phone or GPS function.
When I'm traveling on Interstate 10 near the Mexican border my phone
will sometimes say 'Welcome to Mexico'. Apparently I'm hooking to a
Mexican tower. I don't make any calls while in the area since my plan
only covers the US and don't want any surprise bills...
Correct the above to Interstate 8...
On 10/11/23 5:48 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 10/10/23 09:34, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Those features are tricky. When the user changes zone, even momentarily, >> the feature breaks producing wrong numbers or other unexpected results.
Isn't like GPS only accurate to like a mile? If you were on the border,
it would probably go all wonky.
In 1995 it was a few feet when SA was off.
I was in Mexico within feet of the US border a few years ago and I
couldn't make a call with my US-only phone. No idea if that was a phone
or GPS function.
On 10/10/23 09:34, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Those features are tricky. When the user changes zone, even
momentarily, the feature breaks producing wrong numbers or other
unexpected results.
Isn't like GPS only accurate to like a mile? If you were on the border,
it would probably go all wonky.
On 10/10/23 09:44, Carlos E. R. wrote:
For example, 214 123456
Where is that phone? Texas, (Dallas)? Or Dominican Republic?
That trick is used for scams.
Isn't it too short for a phone number? There's only 9 digits.
I invented a number :-)
I don't know how many digits are used in Texas or Dominican Republic.
The local part of the number is fully invented, the area code or country
code are real.
It only matters to which tower your phone is currently connected, one
in the US or one in Mexico.
Am 08.10.23 um 02:13 schrieb Nil:
"If not needed"?? Lucky guy, you! Both my mobile and landline
phones REQUIRE and area code, even if I'm calling next door. Very
annoying when my landline phone doesn't record the area code if
it's local, so if I want to use the "redial" feature I have to
edit the number to add the area code. Grrrr...
And that happens how often? Who uses landline phones more than
once in a while?
Usually the 10 of most used phone-# cover at
least 90% of all calls with average private users.
On 08 Oct 2023, =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?= <hugybear@gmx.net>
wrote in comp.mobile.android:
Am 08.10.23 um 02:13 schrieb Nil:
"If not needed"?? Lucky guy, you! Both my mobile and landline
phones REQUIRE and area code, even if I'm calling next door. Very
annoying when my landline phone doesn't record the area code if
it's local, so if I want to use the "redial" feature I have to
edit the number to add the area code. Grrrr...
And that happens how often? Who uses landline phones more than
once in a while?
It happens all the time. I use my landline every day.
Usually the 10 of most used phone-# cover at
least 90% of all calls with average private users.
I have no idea what you're trying but failing to express here, but I'm
quite sure it's irrelevant to me.
schrieb Nil:
I use my landline every day.
Oldie but goldie?
Jörg Lorenz wrote:
schrieb Nil:
I use my landline every day.
Oldie but goldie?
I got rid of my landline awhile back. When I use WiFi calling on my cell
I really can't tell the difference in quality so why have 2 bills? And
isn't a cell phone using WiFi calling really a landline (cable for me)
phone anyway...
I have no idea what you're trying but failing to express here, but I'm
quite sure it's irrelevant to me.
Google Voice does not support E911 service. If you want E911 service you
have to add that separately from Google Voice and it is $18 per year.
There actually is a reason to keep a landline, at least in the U.S.,
if you have small children
or the elderly in your house.
Not sure what country you're in, but in the U.S. I ported my old
landline number to Google Voice and now have the number as a Google
Voice line on my Polycom/Obi ATA and there is no cost.
I used Google voice awhile back. Probably still has my phone number
though maybe not because of non-use. But I stopped using it then and
don't need it now, free or not...
On 08 Oct 2023, =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?= <hugybear@gmx.net>
wrote in comp.mobile.android:
Am 08.10.23 um 02:13 schrieb Nil:
"If not needed"?? Lucky guy, you! Both my mobile and landline
phones REQUIRE and area code, even if I'm calling next door. Very
annoying when my landline phone doesn't record the area code if
it's local, so if I want to use the "redial" feature I have to
edit the number to add the area code. Grrrr...
And that happens how often? Who uses landline phones more than
once in a while?
It happens all the time. I use my landline every day.
Usually the 10 of most used phone-# cover at
least 90% of all calls with average private users.
I have no idea what you're trying but failing to express here,
but I'm
quite sure it's irrelevant to me.
I have no idea what you're trying but failing to express here,
That 90% of calls are made to a person's 10 most frequent contacts.
Ooma charges about $7 per month in taxes and fees for their "free" phone service.
The reality is that in much of the world landlines are still being used though many are now VOIP via an ATA connected to broadband.
I use Google Voice (but only on the iPad - because on Android it creates a Google Account on the phone without ever asking you if it could do that).
If you don't use it after a while (a few years as I recall), it will ask
you to log in and confirm you still want it. Otherwise it gets deleted.
On 10/16/2023 6:39 PM, Nil wrote:
<snip>
I have no idea what you're trying but failing to express here, but I'm
quite sure it's irrelevant to me.
"I don't use a landline and since everyone else in the world should be
just like me then they should not be using a landline either."
The reality is that in much of the world landlines are still being used though many are now VOIP via an ATA connected to broadband.
I have an ATA (Polycom Obi) that has my old landline number on Google
Voice so the analog phones in my house can still be used. There is no
cost other than optional E911 service at $18 per year.
There actually is a reason to keep a landline, at least in the U.S., if
you have small children or the elderly in your house.
On my Obi device you can program it to automatically add an area code so
you can dial only the seven digit number.
It's not easy because marketing wants your contacts.
Jörg Lorenz wrote:
schrieb Nil:
I use my landline every day.
Oldie but goldie?
I got rid of my landline awhile back. When I use WiFi calling on my cell
I really can't tell the difference in quality so why have 2 bills? And
isn't a cell phone using WiFi calling really a landline (cable for me)
phone anyway...
It's not easy because marketing wants your contacts.
And everything else.
While that's true, the problem with Android is most people are stupid.
The related problem is they do EXACTLY what Marketing wants them to do. Because they're stupid.
On my Obi device you can program it to automatically add an area code so
you can dial only the seven digit number.
I have a landline because the ISP says that if you want internet you[...]
need a phone line. It is not true, of course, but if you want a major internet access provider it comes with a phone "line" (in this country).
And anyway, being the same number as my parents had means that anybody
that still has that old number in the phone book can call me.
And I fear that if I drop the number at some point, they will also drop
some features I have, like several mail addresses. Commercial reasons of them. Changing an email address you have used for two decades is a major undertaking.
I have at least one old neighbour that not handle a mobile phone. A
plain one perhaps, not a smart one for certain.
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I have a landline because the ISP says that if you want internet
you need a phone line. It is not true, of course, but if you want a
major internet access provider it comes with a phone "line" (in
this country). And anyway, being the same number as my parents had
means that anybody that still has that old number in the phone book
can call me. And I fear that if I drop the number at some point,
they will also drop some features I have, like several mail
addresses. Commercial reasons of them. Changing an email address
you have used for two decades is a major undertaking.
My e-mail address is even much older than that, probably close to
four decades (yes, pre-WWW and even pre-(public)Internet).
That's why I still pay that MSP (Mail Service Provider) for our two
(sets of) e-mail addresses. (Yes, I've moved to another *I*SP, but
as you say, moving to another *M*SP is near impossible.)
I have at least one old neighbour that not handle a mobile phone. A
plain one perhaps, not a smart one for certain.
Well, I'm not *that* old (I think :-), but I can't handle a mobile
phone either! (Just kidding! (Am I!?))
Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I have a landline because the ISP says that if you want internet
you need a phone line. It is not true, of course, but if you want a
major internet access provider it comes with a phone "line" (in
this country). And anyway, being the same number as my parents had
means that anybody that still has that old number in the phone book
can call me. And I fear that if I drop the number at some point,
they will also drop some features I have, like several mail
addresses. Commercial reasons of them. Changing an email address
you have used for two decades is a major undertaking.
My e-mail address is even much older than that, probably close to
four decades (yes, pre-WWW and even pre-(public)Internet).
That's why I still pay that MSP (Mail Service Provider) for our two
(sets of) e-mail addresses. (Yes, I've moved to another *I*SP, but
as you say, moving to another *M*SP is near impossible.)
Yup. Moving to a new ISP is like moving to a new house if you use their
email system. Everybody has to be advised of the new address. PITA.
That's why I started using Gmail addresses years ago...
I have at least one old neighbour that not handle a mobile phone. A
plain one perhaps, not a smart one for certain.
Well, I'm not *that* old (I think :-), but I can't handle a mobile
phone either! (Just kidding! (Am I!?))
That's what grandkids are for. When the SO has a problem with her iPhone
I usually don't have a clue. So she gets a grandkid to fix it...
Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I have a landline because the ISP says that if you want internet
you need a phone line. It is not true, of course, but if you want a
major internet access provider it comes with a phone "line" (in
this country). And anyway, being the same number as my parents had
means that anybody that still has that old number in the phone book
can call me. And I fear that if I drop the number at some point,
they will also drop some features I have, like several mail
addresses. Commercial reasons of them. Changing an email address
you have used for two decades is a major undertaking.
My e-mail address is even much older than that, probably close to
four decades (yes, pre-WWW and even pre-(public)Internet).
That's why I still pay that MSP (Mail Service Provider) for our two
(sets of) e-mail addresses. (Yes, I've moved to another *I*SP, but
as you say, moving to another *M*SP is near impossible.)
Yup. Moving to a new ISP is like moving to a new house if you use their
email system. Everybody has to be advised of the new address. PITA.
That's why I started using Gmail addresses years ago...
I have at least one old neighbour that not handle a mobile phone. A
plain one perhaps, not a smart one for certain.
Well, I'm not *that* old (I think :-), but I can't handle a mobile
phone either! (Just kidding! (Am I!?))
That's what grandkids are for. When the SO has a problem with her iPhone
I usually don't have a clue. So she gets a grandkid to fix it...
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/45.0
On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 09:26:08 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:
On my Obi device you can program it to automatically add an area code so
you can dial only the seven digit number.
Which OBI device do you have? I have an OBI100. Can I do that on mine?
How?
If you do that, what happens when you want to make calls that aren't
local and a different area code is required?
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0)
Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0
Does that ("20100101" and "45.0") indeed indicate that you've frozen Thunderbird at an (very) old version?
If so, good. Currently there are lots of reports (in the Windows
groups), that the latest major update, v115, is severely broken,
probably mostly for news, but maybe also for e-mail. (FWIW, I use
60.9.0).
To all: This is just an off-topic warning. Please move any responses
to an appropriate group. Thanks.
Now we resume our regular programming.
AJL wrote:
Moving to a new ISP is like moving to a new house if you use their
email system. Everybody has to be advised of the new address.
PITA. That's why I started using Gmail addresses years ago...
Yes, I also have several Gmail addresses, but as I said, our main/old addresses predate the web/Internet and hence Gmail. An even earlier
address is in printed books. A tad hard to change those! :-)
AJL wrote:
Moving to a new ISP is like moving to a new house if you use their
email system. Everybody has to be advised of the new address.
PITA. That's why I started using Gmail addresses years ago...
Yes, in fact my *M*SP no longer accepts new mails, tells client to
use gmail or any other. Since several years, maybe a decade. But they
keep the service for those clients that got it long ago.
When the SO has a problem with her iPhone I usually don't have a
clue. So she gets a grandkid to fix it...
Yes, but at least those old people can call the grandkids. There are
people that can't even start a call or answer a call on a smartphone.
It just happens.
On 10/17/23 22:03, Wally J wrote:
While that's true, the problem with Android is most people are stupid.
The related problem is they do EXACTLY what Marketing wants them to do.
Because they're stupid.
In my opinion, it's less being stupid and more a simple "path of least resistance" issue. Most people aren't tech literate, and just use what
works. Contacts works "well", and the consequences aren't directly
visible, so they use that. Why would they go out of their way to create
a whole system to avoid something they don't care about and can't see?
I use Google Voice (but only on the iPad - because on Android it creates a >> Google Account on the phone without ever asking you if it could do that).
How does it get your name and what email format does it create?
What happens if you delete the account manually?
If you don't use it after a while (a few years as I recall), it will ask
you to log in and confirm you still want it. Otherwise it gets deleted.
Well then, my voice account is long gone
With this place being dead sometimes for a day or more perhaps a little
off topic use would help...
On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 13:30:12 -0700, AJL wrote:
With this place being dead sometimes for a day or more perhaps a
little off topic use would help...
I'm not throwing stones, but I will point out cynically so that Frank Slootweg is one of the biggest complainers about off topic posts
here.
And yet... he posts a tb thread when there is a tb group for such
things.
It's not like he's posting an issue that crosses the lines. It
doesn't. And it's not like there's no place to post his concer.
There is.
I'm not complaining (as it's a useful post).
BS. Leave em here. I don't read any appropriate groups...
AJL wrote:
BS. Leave em here. I don't read any appropriate groups...
I forwarded your post to news.software.readers, is that bad?
BS. Leave em here. I don't read any appropriate groups...
I forwarded your post to news.software.readers, is that bad?
You probably should ask Frank. You posted a copy of his post there, not mine...
On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 20:36:46 -0700, AJL wrote:
BS. Leave em here. I don't read any appropriate groups...
I forwarded your post to news.software.readers, is that bad?
You probably should ask Frank. You posted a copy of his post there,
not mine...
I forwarded these posts to alt.comp.freeware
because Frank's portrayal of Thunderbird as Android software is
wrong.
Thunderbird is freeware.
Is that bad?
If it is, I'm only following your lead and that of Frank This TB
sub-thread and by trolling every newsgroup that can possibly have
any relationship to Thunderbird.
On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 20:36:46 -0700, AJL wrote:
BS. Leave em here. I don't read any appropriate groups...
I forwarded your post to news.software.readers, is that bad?
You probably should ask Frank. You posted a copy of his post there, not
mine...
I forwarded these posts to alt.comp.freeware because Frank's portrayal of Thunderbird as Android software is wrong. Thunderbird is freeware.
Is that bad?
If it is, I'm only following your lead and that of Frank and by trolling every newsgroup that can possibly have any relationship to Thunderbird.
On 10/18/2023 2:06 PM, Oscar Mayer wrote:
On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 13:30:12 -0700, AJL wrote:
With this place being dead sometimes for a day or more perhaps a
little off topic use would help...
I'm not throwing stones, but I will point out cynically so that Frank Slootweg is one of the biggest complainers about off topic posts
here.
And yet... he posts a tb thread when there is a tb group for such
things.
Frank was asking about my using a particular version of TB newsreader
that I use to post to this Android group. If he had asked in the TB
group I wouldn't have seen it because I don't read the TB group.
So how would you have asked me the question?
It's not like he's posting an issue that crosses the lines. It
doesn't. And it's not like there's no place to post his concer.
There is.
I'm not complaining (as it's a useful post).
And I might add that your complaining post is also off topic...
On 10/18/2023 7:11 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 09:26:08 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:
On my Obi device you can program it to automatically add an area code so >>> you can dial only the seven digit number.
Which OBI device do you have? I have an OBI100. Can I do that on mine?
How?
If you do that, what happens when you want to make calls that aren't
local and a different area code is required?
I have the Obi 202.
If you only enter seven digits it adds the area code.
If you enter ten digits then it knows to use whatever area code you enter.
I forget if you have to dial 1 first.
Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL wrote:
Moving to a new ISP is like moving to a new house if you use their
email system. Everybody has to be advised of the new address.
PITA. That's why I started using Gmail addresses years ago...
Yes, I also have several Gmail addresses, but as I said, our main/old addresses predate the web/Internet and hence Gmail. An even earlier
address is in printed books. A tad hard to change those! :-)
IIRC my first email address was with AOL. Probably mid 90s...
Yup. Moving to a new ISP is like moving to a new house if you use their
email system. Everybody has to be advised of the new address. PITA.
That's why I started using Gmail addresses years ago...
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL wrote:
Moving to a new ISP is like moving to a new house if you use their
email system. Everybody has to be advised of the new address.
PITA. That's why I started using Gmail addresses years ago...
Yes, I also have several Gmail addresses, but as I said, our main/old
addresses predate the web/Internet and hence Gmail. An even earlier
address is in printed books. A tad hard to change those! :-)
IIRC my first email address was with AOL. Probably mid 90s...
My first email address was an inter-company address, (very) early 70s.
At the time it wasn't called 'email' (the term probably didn't even
exist yet (at least not generally)), but it was mail via electronic
means.
candycanearter07 wrote:
AJL wrote:
BS. Leave em here. I don't read any appropriate groups...
I forwarded your post to news.software.readers, is that bad?
You probably should ask Frank. You posted a copy of his post there, not mine...
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
IIRC my first email address was with AOL. Probably mid 90s...
My first email address was an inter-company address, (very) early
70s. At the time it wasn't called 'email' (the term probably didn't
even exist yet (at least not generally)), but it was mail via
electronic means.
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
On 10/18/2023 2:06 PM, Oscar Mayer wrote:
I'm not complaining (as it's a useful post).
And I might add that your complaining post is also off topic...
Don't be so hard on 'Oscar Mayer'! He's apparently not aware what the
'[OT]' tag means and hence he can't set up a Thunderbird Message
Filter to handle it.
And BTW, the number is now 4, agreed?
On 10/19/2023 7:49 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
And BTW, the number is now 4, agreed?
Sorry, it's whooosh for me on this one...
On 10/19/2023 7:49 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
On 10/18/2023 2:06 PM, Oscar Mayer wrote:
I'm not complaining (as it's a useful post).
And I might add that your complaining post is also off topic...
Don't be so hard on 'Oscar Mayer'! He's apparently not aware what the '[OT]' tag means and hence he can't set up a Thunderbird Message
Filter to handle it.
I never use filters. Sometimes the most interesting posts come from the
most plonked folks. And I suspect that even though some publicly plonk a poster they secretly read their posts anyway...
Also I was surprised to find that even though you completely changed the subject line to "[OT] Be careful updating Thunderbird!" both Google
Groups and my PhoNews newsreader kept putting new posts under the old
thread. But this TB newsreader made a new thread. ???.
And BTW, the number is now 4, agreed?
Sorry, it's whooosh for me on this one...
On 10/19/2023 8:03 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
IIRC my first email address was with AOL. Probably mid 90s...
My first email address was an inter-company address, (very) early
70s. At the time it wasn't called 'email' (the term probably didn't
even exist yet (at least not generally)), but it was mail via
electronic means.
Interesting. I was in electronics in the 60s when I worked for Motorola (military electronics) but don't remember using any email. I left
electronics as an occupation in 68 and only had it as a hobby from then
on.
My first computer was DOS 5 IIRC. And then somewhat later AOL. I
remember when traveling across country the first thing I would do after checking in for the night was check for local AOL phone numbers. Then
hook up my handset to the motel's handset and beep away. Those were the days...
Yes, he should have asked. He's new to Usenet, which allows him some leeway, but (IMO) he's using way too much of it and doesn't seem (want?)
to learn. So I've filtered him here and some other groups (but not news.software.readers).
Yes, he should have asked. He's new to Usenet, which allows him some leeway, but (IMO) he's using way too much of it and doesn't seem (want?)
to learn. So I've filtered him here and some other groups (but not news.software.readers).
On 10/19/23 10:15, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Yes, he should have asked. He's new to Usenet, which allows him some
leeway, but (IMO) he's using way too much of it and doesn't seem (want?)
to learn. So I've filtered him here and some other groups (but not
news.software.readers).
I am trying to learn!
On 10/19/23 10:15, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Yes, he should have asked. He's new to Usenet, which allows him some leeway, but (IMO) he's using way too much of it and doesn't seem (want?)
to learn. So I've filtered him here and some other groups (but not news.software.readers).
I am trying to learn!
On 19 Oct 2023 15:03:17 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL wrote:
Moving to a new ISP is like moving to a new house if you use their
email system. Everybody has to be advised of the new address.
PITA. That's why I started using Gmail addresses years ago...
Yes, I also have several Gmail addresses, but as I said, our main/old
addresses predate the web/Internet and hence Gmail. An even earlier
address is in printed books. A tad hard to change those! :-)
IIRC my first email address was with AOL. Probably mid 90s...
My first email address was an inter-company address, (very) early 70s.
At the time it wasn't called 'email' (the term probably didn't even
exist yet (at least not generally)), but it was mail via electronic
means.
My first e-mail address came for free with the BBS (Bulletin Board
System) I used around 1990. It was only good to contact other users
of that BBS.
I never used it. I couldn't understand what value an e-mail address
had.
On 10/19/2023 7:49 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:...
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
On 10/18/2023 2:06 PM, Oscar Mayer wrote:
Also I was surprised to find that even though you completely changed the subject line to "[OT] Be careful updating Thunderbird!" both Google
Groups and my PhoNews newsreader kept putting new posts under the old
thread. But this TB newsreader made a new thread. ???.
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
On 10/19/23 10:15, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Yes, he should have asked. He's new to Usenet, which allows him some >>> leeway, but (IMO) he's using way too much of it and doesn't seem (want?) >>> to learn. So I've filtered him here and some other groups (but not
news.software.readers).
I am trying to learn!
When you're ignoring comments/advice, like not snipping too much
context (which you are doing *again* in this response of yours), you're
not really "trying to learn", are you!?
I.e. you should have kept most - if not all - of AJL's post. Now it's unclear *what* (I said) you should have asked and *who* you should have
asked (me, but that's not clear without the missing context).
So if you get some advice on how to (not) use Usenet, take note or
discuss it, but don't just ignore it.
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
I remember when traveling across country the first thing I would do
after checking in for the night was to check for local AOL phone
numbers. Then hook up my handset to the motel's handset and beep
away. Those were the days...
Yes, fond memories. Our sales (and service) engineers even used
'acoustic couplers', a modem in the form of a large handset which
you could put over the handset in a public telephone booth, i.e. no
physical connection needed. Worked at a whopping 300 baud (IIRC).
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
I was surprised to find that even though you completely changed
the subject line, both Google Groups and my PhoNews newsreader kept
putting new posts under the old thread. But this TB newsreader
showed a new thread.
Because it is a normal response, i.e. it has a 'References:' header
with the message-id of the parent (your) post, it should be threaded
as a new *sub*thread, under/in the old thread. Also note that a
proper newsreader should strip off the '(was: ...)' part of the
'Subject:', which your Thunderbird correctly did.
If I can be bothered, I might check in Thunderbird later.
On 10/19/2023 10:33 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
I remember when traveling across country the first thing I would do
after checking in for the night was to check for local AOL phone
numbers. Then hook up my handset to the motel's handset and beep
away. Those were the days...
Yes, fond memories. Our sales (and service) engineers even used
'acoustic couplers', a modem in the form of a large handset which
you could put over the handset in a public telephone booth, i.e. no
physical connection needed. Worked at a whopping 300 baud (IIRC).
That's the device I was trying to describe (above) that I was using on
the motel's room phone. I just didn't remember that it was called an
acoustic coupler....
BTW my version of TB says we're both spelling 'coupler' wrong. But
Google says it's Ok. Whom to believe...
On 10/19/23 16:57, AJL wrote:
BTW my version of TB says we're [me 'n Frank] both spelling 'coupler' wrong. But
Google says it's Ok. Whom to believe...
TB's spellcheck isn't the best. I've had to add a bunch of words to dictionary.
Let me try again. Perhaps I said it wrong. If I check Google or Pho for
all threads this sub-thread is nowhere to be found unless I open the
original thread. With TB under View>Threads>All this sub-thread is easy
to spot even though it is under the original thread.
I prefer TB in this situation because I often FORGET the main thread
subject title and the sub-thread still sticks out. With Google and Pho I
have to hunt through a bunch of threads to find it. A personal problem,
I know...
BTW my version of TB says we're both spelling 'coupler' wrong. But
Google says it's Ok. Whom to believe...
On 10/19/2023 3:02 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 10/19/23 16:57, AJL wrote:
BTW my version of TB says we're [me 'n Frank] both spelling 'coupler'
wrong. But
Google says it's Ok. Whom to believe...
TB's spellcheck isn't the best. I've had to add a bunch of words to
dictionary.
Your headers still say you're using Betterbird not TB. You have TB too?
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
BTW my version of TB says we're both spelling 'coupler' wrong. But
Google says it's Ok. Whom to believe...
Huh!? Does it (TB) say what it thinks is the 'correct' spelling?
I mostly use Google Translate to check spelling if I'm unsure, so
that's of no help in this case.
On 10/19/23 17:15, AJL wrote:
On 10/19/2023 3:02 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
TB's spellcheck isn't the best. I've had to add a bunch of words
to dictionary.
Your headers still say you're using Betterbird not TB. You have TB
too?
When I used TB. And BB has the same dictionary, I'm pretty sure.
Currently there are lots of reports (in the Windows groups), that the
latest major update, v115, is severely broken, probably mostly for news,
but maybe also for e-mail. (FWIW, I use 60.9.0).
Frank Slootweg wrote:
Currently there are lots of reports (in the Windows groups), that the latest major update, v115, is severely broken, probably mostly for news, but maybe also for e-mail. (FWIW, I use 60.9.0).
Enough with the FUD, plenty of us are happy with TB v115
On 10/20/2023 3:44 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
BTW my version of TB says we're both spelling 'coupler' wrong. But
Google says it's Ok. Whom to believe...
Huh!? Does it (TB) say what it thinks is the 'correct' spelling?
Right clicking coupler (which has/had the red wavy line underneath
indicating a misspell (in this post too)) the suggestions are: couplet, couple, couples, coupled, couple r.
That last one with the space is probably it and the space is likely a
bug but would you trust it? Me neither. Google to the rescue...
If you have too much time on your hands like I do, give it a try on your version...
I mostly use Google Translate to check spelling if I'm unsure, so
that's of no help in this case.
My problem is I don't realize I misspelled a word. (like my first try at 'misspelled' above had only one 's' until the red wavy line whacked me).
So when I use a no-spell-check newsreader like PhoNews or Groundhog my
poor spelling often hangs out.
Candy claimed to be able to modify the spelling function in TB. I looked
and don't see that capability in mine. I think he perhaps just made
another mistake at what newsreader he was using.
Eternal-September has been taking 20 or more seconds to accept my posts lately. Hope that's not a bad sign...
AJL wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL wrote:
my version of TB says we're both spelling 'coupler' wrong.
Huh!? Does it (TB) say what it thinks is the 'correct' spelling?
Right clicking coupler the suggestions are: couplet, couple,
couples, coupled, couple r. That last one with the space is
probably it and the space is likely a bug.
My version (60.9.0) gives the same suggestions, so it's a bug.
Candy claimed to be able to modify the spelling function in TB.
In the right-clicked menu, there's an 'Add to Dictionary' choice.
There I added 'coupler' (without space) and now when I type
'coupler' it's accepted as correct.
So I think Candy means you can *add* the correct spelling, not
*modify* the existing lists.
Eternal-September has been taking 20 or more seconds to accept my
posts lately. Hope that's not a bad sign...
As I suggested in another group (Candy might recognize it): "Get a
proper NSP!" :-)
Frank Slootweg wrote:
Currently there are lots of reports (in the Windows groups), that the
latest major update, v115, is severely broken, probably mostly for news,
but maybe also for e-mail. (FWIW, I use 60.9.0).
Enough with the FUD, plenty of us are happy with TB v115
On 10/20/2023 7:55 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 10/19/23 17:15, AJL wrote:
On 10/19/2023 3:02 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
TB's spellcheck isn't the best. I've had to add a bunch of words
to dictionary.
Your headers still say you're using Betterbird not TB. You have TB
too?
When I used TB. And BB has the same dictionary, I'm pretty sure.
Pretty sure? Ah. Well I looked in my version of TB and couldn't find how
to add words to the dictionary but that doesn't mean the capability's
not hiding in there somewhere...
Frank Slootweg wrote:
AJL wrote:
Candy claimed to be able to modify the spelling function in TB.
In the right-clicked menu, there's an 'Add to Dictionary' choice.
There it is in plain sight just like Candy said. No excuses...
There I added 'coupler' (without space) and now when I type
'coupler' it's accepted as correct.
Worked with mine too.
So I think Candy means you can *add* the correct spelling, not
*modify* the existing lists.
My apology to the new guy who knew more than the old (in more ways than
one) guy...
Eternal-September has been taking 20 or more seconds to accept my
posts lately. Hope that's not a bad sign...
As I suggested in another group (Candy might recognize it): "Get a
proper NSP!" :-)
As long as you can see my post it's proper. But the day may come.
Remember aioe...
BTW my newsreader says you misspelled NSP! So I fixed it for you... ;)
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