You can't even opt out anymore.
Recent models of mobile phones may include a setting to opt-out of tests
and alerts. None of those settings will affect the 2023 national test. If your mobile phone is on and receiving service from a participating wireless provider, you should receive the national test.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hidden-phones-national-emergency-alert-test/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/03/fema-test-emergency-alert-oct-4
Emergency alert to be tested on US cellphones, TV and radio on Wednesday
The nationwide test is scheduled for 2.20pm ET and will play on US
cellphones and TV and radio stations.
The test is organized by Federal Emergency Management Agency, in
coordination with Federal Communications Commission, and the Puerto Rico Emergency Management Bureau, according to a Fema press release.
The test will assess two alert systems: the emergency alert system (EAS), which plays on TV and radio, and the wireless emergency alert (WEA).
On 10/3/2023 6:04 PM, Mickey D wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/03/fema-test-emergency-alert-oct-4
Emergency alert to be tested on US cellphones, TV and radio on Wednesday
The nationwide test is scheduled for 2.20pm ET and will play on US
cellphones and TV and radio stations.
The test is organized by Federal Emergency Management Agency, in
coordination with Federal Communications Commission, and the Puerto Rico
Emergency Management Bureau, according to a Fema press release.
The test will assess two alert systems: the emergency alert system (EAS),
which plays on TV and radio, and the wireless emergency alert (WEA).
On 9/11, 2001, I wasn't listening to radio or watching TV. I found out
the big event late in the evening.
This time when we get nuked we will know right away through our cellphones.
Am 04.10.23 um 01:06 schrieb 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅:
On 10/3/2023 6:04 PM, Mickey D wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/03/fema-test-emergency-alert-oct-4
Emergency alert to be tested on US cellphones, TV and radio on Wednesday >>>
The nationwide test is scheduled for 2.20pm ET and will play on US
cellphones and TV and radio stations.
The test is organized by Federal Emergency Management Agency, in
coordination with Federal Communications Commission, and the Puerto Rico >>> Emergency Management Bureau, according to a Fema press release.
The test will assess two alert systems: the emergency alert system
(EAS),
which plays on TV and radio, and the wireless emergency alert (WEA).
On 9/11, 2001, I wasn't listening to radio or watching TV. I found out
the big event late in the evening.
This time when we get nuked we will know right away through our
cellphones.
Too late to seek shelter ... *LOL*
You and your phone will be already evaporated.
On 2023-10-04 02:17, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 04.10.23 um 01:06 schrieb 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅:
On 10/3/2023 6:04 PM, Mickey D wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/03/fema-test-emergency-alert-oct-4
Emergency alert to be tested on US cellphones, TV and radio on Wednesday >>>>
The nationwide test is scheduled for 2.20pm ET and will play on US
cellphones and TV and radio stations.
The test is organized by Federal Emergency Management Agency, in
coordination with Federal Communications Commission, and the Puerto Rico >>>> Emergency Management Bureau, according to a Fema press release.
The test will assess two alert systems: the emergency alert system
(EAS),
which plays on TV and radio, and the wireless emergency alert (WEA).
On 9/11, 2001, I wasn't listening to radio or watching TV. I found out
the big event late in the evening.
This time when we get nuked we will know right away through our
cellphones.
Too late to seek shelter ... *LOL*
Alerts can also take place as hostilities begin - in such a case you
would have 10 - 30 minutes or so get to a basement or other shelter
somewhere and hope it is not in the target area.
You can't even opt out anymore.
On 2023-10-04, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-10-04 02:17, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 04.10.23 um 01:06 schrieb 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅:
On 10/3/2023 6:04 PM, Mickey D wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/03/fema-test-emergency-alert-oct-4
Emergency alert to be tested on US cellphones, TV and radio on Wednesday >>>>>
The nationwide test is scheduled for 2.20pm ET and will play on US
cellphones and TV and radio stations.
The test is organized by Federal Emergency Management Agency, in
coordination with Federal Communications Commission, and the Puerto Rico >>>>> Emergency Management Bureau, according to a Fema press release.
The test will assess two alert systems: the emergency alert system
(EAS),
which plays on TV and radio, and the wireless emergency alert (WEA).
On 9/11, 2001, I wasn't listening to radio or watching TV. I found out >>>> the big event late in the evening.
This time when we get nuked we will know right away through our
cellphones.
Too late to seek shelter ... *LOL*
Alerts can also take place as hostilities begin - in such a case you
would have 10 - 30 minutes or so get to a basement or other shelter
somewhere and hope it is not in the target area.
I'd hope it _is_ in the target area. I'd much rather flash-fry than
die of radiation, starvation, etc.
On 2023-10-04 09:53, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-10-04, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-10-04 02:17, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 04.10.23 um 01:06 schrieb 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅:
On 10/3/2023 6:04 PM, Mickey D wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/03/fema-test-emergency-alert-oct-4
Emergency alert to be tested on US cellphones, TV and radio on Wednesday >>>>>>
The nationwide test is scheduled for 2.20pm ET and will play on US >>>>>> cellphones and TV and radio stations.
The test is organized by Federal Emergency Management Agency, in
coordination with Federal Communications Commission, and the Puerto Rico >>>>>> Emergency Management Bureau, according to a Fema press release.
The test will assess two alert systems: the emergency alert system >>>>>> (EAS),
which plays on TV and radio, and the wireless emergency alert (WEA). >>>>>
On 9/11, 2001, I wasn't listening to radio or watching TV. I found out >>>>> the big event late in the evening.
This time when we get nuked we will know right away through our
cellphones.
Too late to seek shelter ... *LOL*
Alerts can also take place as hostilities begin - in such a case you
would have 10 - 30 minutes or so get to a basement or other shelter
somewhere and hope it is not in the target area.
I'd hope it _is_ in the target area. I'd much rather flash-fry than
die of radiation, starvation, etc.
Life is survival.
There is no death unless you have lived.
Given the smaller nukes these days, you'll almost certainly be in
survival mode.
On 2023-10-04 02:17, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 04.10.23 um 01:06 schrieb ? Mighty Wannabe ?:
On 10/3/2023 6:04 PM, Mickey D wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/03/fema-test-emergency-alert-oct-4
Emergency alert to be tested on US cellphones, TV and radio on Wednesday >>>>
The nationwide test is scheduled for 2.20pm ET and will play on US
cellphones and TV and radio stations.
The test is organized by Federal Emergency Management Agency, in
coordination with Federal Communications Commission, and the Puerto Rico >>>> Emergency Management Bureau, according to a Fema press release.
The test will assess two alert systems: the emergency alert system
(EAS),
which plays on TV and radio, and the wireless emergency alert (WEA).
On 9/11, 2001, I wasn't listening to radio or watching TV. I found out
the big event late in the evening.
This time when we get nuked we will know right away through our
cellphones.
Too late to seek shelter ... *LOL*
Alerts can also take place as hostilities begin - in such a case you
would have 10 - 30 minutes or so get to a basement or other shelter
somewhere and hope it is not in the target area.
You and your phone will be already evaporated.
It's not 1962. Most nuclear weapons are fairly low powered compared to
the monsters of the first "H-bomb era". The US' largest deployed weapon
was a city destroying 25 MTon. Removed from service in the 70's.
Most nuclear weapons today are sub Mton and for that matter are
programmable yield. (eg: 5 to 150 kT W80). Though the Russians tend to
go a little higher yield (0.5 .. 5MT).
So fewer people will be vaporized.
A lot will die from radiation
poisoning however. That takes longer. And the cell phone network will >likely not work.
Ironically, the wireline phone network was designed to survive nuclear
war - and you can see this today in US cities where there are still
phone switching centres that are entirely without windows.
So wherever there are no direct hits, plain old telephones will still work.
You can't even opt out anymore.
FWIW, when the UK did a similar test earlier this year, my phone (with
all alerts disabled) remained silent, also one MNO was found somewhat
poorly performing in delivering alerts.
Wally J wrote:
You can't even opt out anymore.
FWIW, when the UK did a similar test earlier this year, my phone (with
all alerts disabled) remained silent, also one MNO was found somewhat
poorly performing in delivering alerts.
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote
You can't even opt out anymore.
Anyone know more than I do about what happens when you hit the OK button?
On 2023-10-04, Alan Browne
Alerts can also take place as hostilities begin - in such a case you
would have 10 - 30 minutes or so get to a basement or other shelter
somewhere and hope it is not in the target area.
I'd hope it _is_ in the target area. I'd much rather flash-fry than
die of radiation, starvation, etc.
Life is survival.
There is no death unless you have lived.
Given the smaller nukes these days, you'll almost certainly be in
survival mode.
Then all we need are two bullets. One for my husband and one for me.
Then all we need are two bullets. One for my husband and one for me.
I live near the largest naval station in the US. I fully expect that to be
a prime target of any nuclear attack.
FWIW, when the UK did a similar test earlier this year, my phone (with
all alerts disabled) remained silent, also one MNO was found somewhat
poorly performing in delivering alerts.
My phone was on, but in airplane mode. Nothing. Somebody said the
signal would override airplane mode. Nope.
Back in elementary school we were taught to hide under out desks when
the teacher yelled DROP!
I thought that today's technology would work better than that. Nope.
You can't even opt out anymore.
Anyone know more than I do about what happens when you hit the OK button?
It dismisses the dialog.
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote
FWIW, when the UK did a similar test earlier this year, my phone (with
all alerts disabled) remained silent, also one MNO was found somewhat
poorly performing in delivering alerts.
My phone was on, but in airplane mode. Nothing. Somebody said the
signal would override airplane mode. Nope.
Back in elementary school we were taught to hide under out desks when
the teacher yelled DROP!
I thought that today's technology would work better than that. Nope.
I hadn't thought about airplane mode. Thanks for that better idea.
That way I can still interact with the phone on my PC monitor
since I'm always working on the phone at a size of 2 feet by 1 foot.
I wonder what happens when you turn off the airplane mode though.
At the equivalent of 3:30 Eastern Time I turned the phone back on.
It has only been a few minutes but I haven't seen the alert again yet.
In the early sixties we had three things that you speak of.
1. We had air raid sirens in every town that were tested seemingly monthly. 2. We had the TV tell us "this is just a test" about that frequently.
3. We would go outside for a fire alarm, but into the hallway for
an air raid - all the kids lining the walls sitting in a cross-legged
position with their hands over their heads.
We didn't know what a Russian was - but we knew they wanted to bury us.
Thank God Putin isn't saying they'll bury us like Nikita did back then.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_will_bury_you>
If your cellphone was set to Wi-Fi or airplane mode, it wouldn't have received the alert because the message relies on the cellular broadcast system.
My phone was on, but in airplane mode. Nothing.
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
Then all we need are two bullets. One for my husband and one for me.
I live near the largest naval station in the US. I fully expect that to be >> a prime target of any nuclear attack.
Silicon Valley is as flat as a pancake - surrounded by ~3K' mountains.
Depending on the warhead(s), the initial light won't penetrate the Santa
Cruz mountains though (depending on the direction you're facing at the moment(s) of the blast of course) - but they may focus the bouncebacks...
The secondary heat and shock waves will likely have some repercussions as they can probably somewhat curve around 3K' mountains I would think...
The tertiary radioactive dust will be hard to avoid taking internally though... as everything will have to be filtered for months (maybe years).
Thank God for these emergency alerts to protect me from all that... but still... I suspect they are testing each and every phone's bounceback.
But how?
Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> writes:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
Then all we need are two bullets. One for my husband and one for me.
I live near the largest naval station in the US. I fully expect that to be >>> a prime target of any nuclear attack.
Silicon Valley is as flat as a pancake - surrounded by ~3K' mountains.
And a typical airburst is between 300 and 3000 feet.
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
Then all we need are two bullets. One for my husband and one for me.
I live near the largest naval station in the US. I fully expect that to be >> a prime target of any nuclear attack.
Silicon Valley is as flat as a pancake - surrounded by ~3K' mountains.
Thank God for these emergency alerts to protect me from all that... but >still... I suspect they are testing each and every phone's bounceback.
I had forgotten to turn my phone off and mine showed the screen and buzzed
at the equivalent of 2:18 (not 2:20) Eastern Time.
I hit the reboot button without tapping the OK on the pop-up screen.
(I don't know if it phones home when you hit OK - does it?).
When it booted back up a minute or two later - it did it again - so I
turned the phone off until the equivalent of 2:30 Eastern Time.
When I booted - it did it again, so...
a. They're testing "something"
b. They have a pop-up "OK" button for some reason
c. What does the "OK" button actually do?
On 4 Oct 2023 at 7:46:24 PM, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
You can't even opt out anymore.
Anyone know more than I do about what happens when you hit the OK button?
It dismisses the dialog.
There is probably some kind of indication to the carrier that they must report back to the FCC that says exactly which phones got the messages.
Which all happened at 2:18pm ET (2:20pm was a typo in some news stories).
And airplane mode is discussed below (for victims of domestic abuse).
"Why was the test two minutes early?
Information from the Federal Communications Commission and the Federal Emergency Management Agency had said "The tests are scheduled for Oct. 4, 2023, at approximately 2:20 pm EDT." The tests actually went off at 2:18 pm EDT.
A release from the Federal Communications Commission dated Aug. 3 noted
that the test would occur at 2:18 pm EDT, which was within the timing given by FEMA." https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/10/04/emergency-alert-test-fema-fcc/71058447007/
"Was the alert sent if I turned off my phone during the test?
If your cellphone was set to Wi-Fi or airplane mode, it wouldn't have received the alert because the message relies on the cellular broadcast system.
Only cell phones powered on received the message. That is likely to help someone living in an unsafe situation who has a hidden phone. Many domestic violence organizations have issued warnings locally and nationally leading
up to the test." https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/10/04/emergency-alert-test-fema-fcc/71058447007/
I also had specific alerts turned on but 'test alerts' turned off. I
wonder if those are the default settings. I don't remember making any changes to those.
Why did you reboot? You may have shot yourself in the foot there. I
read that if the alert doesn't reach your phone, the system keeps
sending alerts for the full half hour. You kept getting alerts and I
didn't, so perhaps the OK is necessary for the system to know that
its alert has been received.
Silicon Valley is as flat as a pancake - surrounded by ~3K' mountains.
And a typical airburst is between 300 and 3000 feet.
That said, there are no significant military facilities remaining in
the bay area to target.
Thank God for these emergency alerts to protect me from all that... but >>still... I suspect they are testing each and every phone's bounceback.
It's using the SMS facilities, which always acknowledge receipt of a SMS message to the CO.
Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote
Why did you reboot? You may have shot yourself in the foot there. I
read that if the alert doesn't reach your phone, the system keeps
sending alerts for the full half hour. You kept getting alerts and I
didn't, so perhaps the OK is necessary for the system to know that
its alert has been received.
Thanks for that information about the OK stopping the alert, where the open question is whether that OK sends information back to the mothership or
not.
I suspect just sending the alerts isn't enough of a test, in that they have to gauge, somehow, what percentage of people didn't _receive_ those alerts.
As an example, let's say there is a county in a state where, oh, I don't know, there is terribly spotty signal due to the topography - or whatever.
In that specific area, let's say 1/4 of the residents received the alert.
How would they know about the 3/4 of the people who did not get the alert?
They must be doing some kind of feedback loop.
But what?
Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote
Why did you reboot? You may have shot yourself in the foot there. I
read that if the alert doesn't reach your phone, the system keeps
sending alerts for the full half hour. You kept getting alerts and I
didn't, so perhaps the OK is necessary for the system to know that
its alert has been received.
Thanks for that information about the OK stopping the alert, where the open >question is whether that OK sends information back to the mothership or
not.
I suspect just sending the alerts isn't enough of a test, in that they have >to gauge, somehow, what percentage of people didn't _receive_ those alerts.
In that specific area, let's say 1/4 of the residents received the alert.
How would they know about the 3/4 of the people who did not get the alert? >>
They must be doing some kind of feedback loop.
But what?
No, they don't have to be doing some kind of feedback loop.
I suspect just sending the alerts isn't enough of a test, in that they have >>to gauge, somehow, what percentage of people didn't _receive_ those alerts.
The same mechanism used to ensure you see an SMS is used for the alerts.
https://books.google.com/books/download/The_Effects_of_Nuclear_Weapons.epub
If your cellphone was set to Wi-Fi or airplane mode, it wouldn't have
received the alert because the message relies on the cellular broadcast
system.
Ah. Thanks. Wi-Fi would be even better than airplane mode, and certainly better than turning off the phone altogether.
What doesn't work on Wi-Fi anyway when you have Wi-Fi calling set to on? Everything works, right?
I never understood MMS though - so maybe it won't work on Wi-Fi only.
Does it?
It's using the SMS facilities, which always acknowledge receipt of a SMS >message to the CO.
My wife and I got one of these while in a hotel in Italy last month. Two iPhones in a small room - very loud. We thought at first the fire alarms
had gone off. I assume the locals had been warned.
Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-10-04, Alan Browne
Alerts can also take place as hostilities begin - in such a case you >>>>> would have 10 - 30 minutes or so get to a basement or other shelter
somewhere and hope it is not in the target area.
I'd hope it _is_ in the target area. I'd much rather flash-fry than
die of radiation, starvation, etc.
Life is survival.
There is no death unless you have lived.
Given the smaller nukes these days, you'll almost certainly be in
survival mode.
Then all we need are two bullets. One for my husband and one for me.
I live near the largest naval station in the US. I fully expect that to be
a prime target of any nuclear attack.
On 2023-10-04 17:44, Dave Royal wrote:
My wife and I got one of these while in a hotel in Italy last month. Two
iPhones in a small room - very loud. We thought at first the fire alarms
had gone off. I assume the locals had been warned.
We've had these alerts in Canada for a couple years or so.
When they go off it is loud and annoying. We cannot turn them off here.
Almost always an Amber alert for some town 200 km away.
On 10/4/23 12:41 PM, Wally J wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
Then all we need are two bullets. One for my husband and one for me.
I live near the largest naval station in the US. I fully expect that to be >>> a prime target of any nuclear attack.
I figured Los Angeles would be a prime target, but that everything would
be OK because it had ALWAYS been OK except for the smog, and most of us
have survived that too.
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote
You can't even opt out anymore.
FWIW, when the UK did a similar test earlier this year, my phone (with
all alerts disabled) remained silent, also one MNO was found somewhat
poorly performing in delivering alerts.
I had forgotten to turn my phone off and mine showed the screen and buzzed
at the equivalent of 2:18 (not 2:20) Eastern Time.
I hit the reboot button without tapping the OK on the pop-up screen.
(I don't know if it phones home when you hit OK - does it?).
When it booted back up a minute or two later - it did it again - so I
turned the phone off until the equivalent of 2:30 Eastern Time.
When I booted - it did it again, so...
a. They're testing "something"
b. They have a pop-up "OK" button for some reason
c. What does the "OK" button actually do?
Quellen <quellennospam@gmx.com> wrote
If your cellphone was set to Wi-Fi or airplane mode, it wouldn't have
received the alert because the message relies on the cellular broadcast
system.
Ah. Thanks. Wi-Fi would be even better than airplane mode, and certainly better than turning off the phone altogether.
What doesn't work on Wi-Fi anyway when you have Wi-Fi calling set to on? Everything works, right?
I never understood MMS though - so maybe it won't work on Wi-Fi only.
Does it?
Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote
I suspect just sending the alerts isn't enough of a test, in that they have >>>to gauge, somehow, what percentage of people didn't _receive_ those alerts. >>The same mechanism used to ensure you see an SMS is used for the alerts.
What I found out though, was that if you do not hit the OK, you keep
getting the alert (at least for the 30 minutes they set it to repeat).
Since the SMS part is already the return signal to the carrier, the OK part >must just be the part that tells the local device that you got it.
Otherwise, why bother with the OK button (which clearly does something)?
My phone was on, but in airplane mode. Nothing. Somebody said the
signal would override airplane mode. Nope.
We didn't know what a Russian was - but we knew they wanted to bury us.
I remember knowing about Russians and bombs in the 50s, but I don't
remember being afraid. We knew about fire, but we weren't afraid of
that either. I guess kids aren't big on theory...
Thank God Putin isn't saying they'll bury us like Nikita did back then.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_will_bury_you>
He was also going to sell us the rope we'd use to hang ourselves. Damn >clever line, but we started buying rope from China...
On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 13:14:11 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
I also had specific alerts turned on but 'test alerts' turned off. I
wonder if those are the default settings. I don't remember making any
changes to those.
In my limited understanding, this was a test but it was not a "Test
Alert". It fell in the category "National Alerts", and by law a phone
cannot offer the option to turn those off.
"State and Local Tests" can be turned off, on my Android 13 Samsung
A54, via Settings > Safety and Emergency.
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote
FWIW, when the UK did a similar test earlier this year, my phone (with
all alerts disabled) remained silent, also one MNO was found somewhat
poorly performing in delivering alerts.
My phone was on, but in airplane mode. Nothing. Somebody said the
signal would override airplane mode. Nope.
Back in elementary school we were taught to hide under out desks when
the teacher yelled DROP!
I thought that today's technology would work better than that. Nope.
I hadn't thought about airplane mode. Thanks for that better idea.
That way I can still interact with the phone on my PC monitor
since I'm always working on the phone at a size of 2 feet by 1 foot.
I wonder what happens when you turn off the airplane mode though.
At the equivalent of 3:30 Eastern Time I turned the phone back on.
It has only been a few minutes but I haven't seen the alert again yet.
In the early sixties we had three things that you speak of.
1. We had air raid sirens in every town that were tested seemingly monthly. >2. We had the TV tell us "this is just a test" about that frequently.
3. We would go outside for a fire alarm, but into the hallway for
an air raid - all the kids lining the walls sitting in a cross-legged
position with their hands over their heads.
We didn't know what a Russian was - but we knew they wanted to bury us.
Thank God Putin isn't saying they'll bury us like Nikita did back then.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_will_bury_you>
On 2023-10-04, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote
Why did you reboot? You may have shot yourself in the foot there. I
read that if the alert doesn't reach your phone, the system keeps
sending alerts for the full half hour. You kept getting alerts and I
didn't, so perhaps the OK is necessary for the system to know that
its alert has been received.
Thanks for that information about the OK stopping the alert, where the open >> question is whether that OK sends information back to the mothership or
not.
I can't imagine it would. What kind of infrastructure would tolerate
300 million hits all at the same time as people pressed OK?
On 10/4/2023 5:04 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-10-04, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote
Why did you reboot? You may have shot yourself in the foot there. I
read that if the alert doesn't reach your phone, the system keeps
sending alerts for the full half hour. You kept getting alerts and I
didn't, so perhaps the OK is necessary for the system to know that
its alert has been received.
Thanks for that information about the OK stopping the alert, where the open >>> question is whether that OK sends information back to the mothership or
not.
I can't imagine it would. What kind of infrastructure would tolerate
300 million hits all at the same time as people pressed OK?
No need. It sends a message back from the implanted chip you got with
the covid vaccine. I pressed OK on the phone and I felt my arm quiver
as the chip was activated.
On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 16:10:24 -0400, Wally J wrote:
If your cellphone was set to Wi-Fi or airplane mode, it wouldn't have
received the alert because the message relies on the cellular broadcast
system.
Ah. Thanks. Wi-Fi would be even better than airplane mode, and certainly
better than turning off the phone altogether.
What doesn't work on Wi-Fi anyway when you have Wi-Fi calling set to on?
Everything works, right?
I never understood MMS though - so maybe it won't work on Wi-Fi only.
Does it?
I don't think MMS works when you're on Wi-Fi. Only SMS. And phone calls.
And of course data.
But not MMS data.
It's different.
Somehow.
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 4 Oct 2023 11:48:10 -0700, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
My phone was on, but in airplane mode. Nothing. Somebody said the
signal would override airplane mode. Nope.
Someday, when cell phones don't interfere with airplanes and no one can remember when they did, people will ask, Why do they call it airplane
mode.
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 4 Oct 2023 15:33:14 -0400, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote
FWIW, when the UK did a similar test earlier this year, my phone (with >>>> all alerts disabled) remained silent, also one MNO was found somewhat
poorly performing in delivering alerts.
My phone was on, but in airplane mode. Nothing. Somebody said the
signal would override airplane mode. Nope.
Back in elementary school we were taught to hide under out desks when
the teacher yelled DROP!
I thought that today's technology would work better than that. Nope.
I hadn't thought about airplane mode. Thanks for that better idea.
That way I can still interact with the phone on my PC monitor
since I'm always working on the phone at a size of 2 feet by 1 foot.
I wonder what happens when you turn off the airplane mode though.
At the equivalent of 3:30 Eastern Time I turned the phone back on.
It has only been a few minutes but I haven't seen the alert again yet.
In the early sixties we had three things that you speak of.
1. We had air raid sirens in every town that were tested seemingly monthly. >>2. We had the TV tell us "this is just a test" about that frequently.
3. We would go outside for a fire alarm, but into the hallway for
an air raid - all the kids lining the walls sitting in a cross-legged
position with their hands over their heads.
We too had those two things. You are the first other person to bring
this up. Where did you live?
Even thought I went to public school from 1952 to 68, we never had Duck
and Cover. I never heard of it until I was 40 years old.
When I was about 40 I started to wonder about the air raid drills. I
had lived between Pittsburgh but closer to Youngstown. Why would there
be air raids there? Could there be an air raid that far inland?
Recently I read about some civilian org that watched for enemy planes
and they did do that at least 3/4 of the way inland to where I was.
We never were asked to put our hands over our heads.
We didn't know what a Russian was - but we knew they wanted to bury us.
I was the opposite. I knew what a Russian was but didn't know about
burial.
Thank God Putin isn't saying they'll bury us like Nikita did back then.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_will_bury_you>
He's a very tactful guy.
On 2023-10-04, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote
Why did you reboot? You may have shot yourself in the foot there. I
read that if the alert doesn't reach your phone, the system keeps
sending alerts for the full half hour. You kept getting alerts and I
didn't, so perhaps the OK is necessary for the system to know that
its alert has been received.
Thanks for that information about the OK stopping the alert, where the open >> question is whether that OK sends information back to the mothership or
not.
I can't imagine it would. What kind of infrastructure would tolerate
300 million hits all at the same time as people pressed OK?
micky wrote:
Someday, when cell phones don't interfere with airplanes and no one can
remember when they did, people will ask, Why do they call it airplane
mode.
Just like what's happening with the save icon..
On Wed, 04 Oct 2023 21:04:58 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-10-04, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote
Why did you reboot? You may have shot yourself in the foot there. I
read that if the alert doesn't reach your phone, the system keeps
sending alerts for the full half hour. You kept getting alerts and I
didn't, so perhaps the OK is necessary for the system to know that
its alert has been received.
Thanks for that information about the OK stopping the alert, where the open >>> question is whether that OK sends information back to the mothership or
not.
I can't imagine it would. What kind of infrastructure would tolerate
300 million hits all at the same time as people pressed OK?
That infrastructure is robust and distributed across the various wireless >carriers, and it's asynchronous so the responses can be cached until the number
bleeds down to manageable levels. IOW, it's not really an issue.
When I worked at a wireless carrier, we actually used to worry about that
volume, but by the time I left we were long past the point where it was a >concern. There were various events that caused large spikes in traffic, >including the Superbowl every year and things like American Idol voting, so >carriers have it figured out.
candycanearter07 wrote:
micky wrote:
Someday, when cell phones don't interfere with airplanes and no one can
remember when they did, people will ask, Why do they call it airplane
mode.
Just like what's happening with the save icon..
USA doesn't seem to have such anachronistic signs as UK does for traffic >enforcement cameras
<https://www.google.com/search?q=uk+traffic+enforcement+camera+sign&tbm=isch>
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 4 Oct 2023 19:17:50 -0000 (UTC),
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:I think I was in your neck of the woods last month. Went to Jamestown, Yorktown Battlefield, and the Norfolk Zoo. Got out before the attack.
On 2023-10-04, Alan Browne
Alerts can also take place as hostilities begin - in such a case you >>>>>> would have 10 - 30 minutes or so get to a basement or other shelter >>>>>> somewhere and hope it is not in the target area.
I'd hope it _is_ in the target area. I'd much rather flash-fry than >>>>> die of radiation, starvation, etc.
Life is survival.
There is no death unless you have lived.
Given the smaller nukes these days, you'll almost certainly be in
survival mode.
Then all we need are two bullets. One for my husband and one for me.
I live near the largest naval station in the US. I fully expect that to be >> a prime target of any nuclear attack.
candycanearter07 wrote:
micky wrote:
Someday, when cell phones don't interfere with airplanes and no one can
remember when they did, people will ask, Why do they call it airplane
mode.
Just like what's happening with the save icon..
USA doesn't seem to have such anachronistic signs as UK does for traffic enforcement cameras
<https://www.google.com/search?q=uk+traffic+enforcement+camera+sign&tbm=isch>
Los Angeles: never saw the stupid turtle either. Teachers just yelled
DROP and we climbed under our desks. The ones with inkwells. And we
had ink pens before we got those really crappy ballpoint pens that left
blobs on the paper.
He's a very tactful guy.
Anybody who has to bang his shoe on a table to make a point is a blowhard.
That infrastructure is robust and distributed across the various wireless >>carriers, and it's asynchronous so the responses can be cached until the number
bleeds down to manageable levels. IOW, it's not really an issue.
In the other direction, that some people got their alerts 2 minutes
early, could that be because it takes time to send out 100's of millions
of alerts?
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote
That infrastructure is robust and distributed across the various wireless >>> carriers, and it's asynchronous so the responses can be cached until the number
bleeds down to manageable levels. IOW, it's not really an issue.
In the other direction, that some people got their alerts 2 minutes
early, could that be because it takes time to send out 100's of millions
of alerts?
I think everyone got it at the same time (x:18) depending on time zone.
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote
Los Angeles: never saw the stupid turtle either. Teachers just yelled
DROP and we climbed under our desks. The ones with inkwells. And we
had ink pens before we got those really crappy ballpoint pens that left
blobs on the paper.
Not only did the school desks have inkwells in the far corner, but they had right handed inkwells and left handed inkwells for ambi-affirmation.
He's a very tactful guy.
Anybody who has to bang his shoe on a table to make a point is a blowhard.
Do you remember that those school tables were made out of solid maple?
Not the hard resin plastic stuff.
You know this because of two things (other than the beautiful grain):
1. Kids carved their names in the desks, and...
2. The ABC gum stuck better to the underside in an emergency.
You know this because of two things (other than the beautiful grain):
1. Kids carved their names in the desks, and...
2. The ABC gum stuck better to the underside in an emergency.
I never understood the appeal of gum.
On 10/4/23 19:19, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 4 Oct 2023 11:48:10 -0700, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
My phone was on, but in airplane mode. Nothing. Somebody said the
signal would override airplane mode. Nope.
Someday, when cell phones don't interfere with airplanes and no one can
remember when they did, people will ask, Why do they call it airplane
mode.
Just like what's happening with the save icon..
On 2023-10-04 17:44, Dave Royal wrote:
My wife and I got one of these while in a hotel in Italy last month. Two
iPhones in a small room - very loud. We thought at first the fire alarms
had gone off. I assume the locals had been warned.
We've had these alerts in Canada for a couple years or so.
When they go off it is loud and annoying. We cannot turn them off here.
Almost always an Amber alert for some town 200 km away.
An Amber alert might be of use if you're in a vehicle or a public place.
Its just annoying in the middle of the night, when you're home and asleep.
The "phone" icon on my smartphone looks like a telephone handset, a
shape almost no modern phones have.
I think everyone got it at the same time (x:18) depending on time zone.
Everyone got it at the same time. Timezones don't change that, only what
you CALL it.
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote
Los Angeles: never saw the stupid turtle either. Teachers just yelled
DROP and we climbed under our desks. The ones with inkwells. And we
had ink pens before we got those really crappy ballpoint pens that left
blobs on the paper.
Not only did the school desks have inkwells in the far corner, but they had right handed inkwells and left handed inkwells for ambi-affirmation.
He's a very tactful guy.
Anybody who has to bang his shoe on a table to make a point is a blowhard.
Do you remember that those school tables were made out of solid maple?
Not the hard resin plastic stuff.
You know this because of two things (other than the beautiful grain):
1. Kids carved their names in the desks, and...
2. The ABC gum stuck better to the underside in an emergency.
On 10/4/2023 6:18 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 4 Oct 2023 19:17:50 -0000 (UTC),
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:I think I was in your neck of the woods last month. Went to Jamestown,
On 2023-10-04, Alan Browne
Alerts can also take place as hostilities begin - in such a case you >>>>>>> would have 10 - 30 minutes or so get to a basement or other shelter >>>>>>> somewhere and hope it is not in the target area.
I'd hope it _is_ in the target area. I'd much rather flash-fry than >>>>>> die of radiation, starvation, etc.
Life is survival.
There is no death unless you have lived.
Given the smaller nukes these days, you'll almost certainly be in
survival mode.
Then all we need are two bullets. One for my husband and one for me.
I live near the largest naval station in the US. I fully expect that to be >>> a prime target of any nuclear attack.
Yorktown Battlefield, and the Norfolk Zoo. Got out before the attack.
I live 2 miles from the NIH and Walter Reed Hospital, and 11 miles from
the White House. If the balloon goes up, no where to safely shelter in
this neck of the woods. Thinking about it, beginning as a newborn, I've >never lived in place where I wasn't either at a ground zero location or >within just a few miles from one.
On 10/4/23 21:53, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 10/4/23 19:19, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 4 Oct 2023 11:48:10 -0700, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
My phone was on, but in airplane mode. Nothing. Somebody said the
signal would override airplane mode. Nope.
Someday, when cell phones don't interfere with airplanes and no one can
remember when they did, people will ask, Why do they call it airplane
mode.
Just like what's happening with the save icon..
The "phone" icon on my smartphone looks like a telephone handset, a
shape almost no modern phones have.
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 04 Oct 2023 22:17:17 -0500, Jim Joyce <none@none.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 04 Oct 2023 21:04:58 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-10-04, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote
Why did you reboot? You may have shot yourself in the foot there. I
read that if the alert doesn't reach your phone, the system keeps
sending alerts for the full half hour. You kept getting alerts and I >>>>> didn't, so perhaps the OK is necessary for the system to know that
its alert has been received.
Thanks for that information about the OK stopping the alert, where the open
question is whether that OK sends information back to the mothership or >>>> not.
I can't imagine it would. What kind of infrastructure would tolerate
300 million hits all at the same time as people pressed OK?
That infrastructure is robust and distributed across the various wireless
carriers, and it's asynchronous so the responses can be cached until the number
bleeds down to manageable levels. IOW, it's not really an issue.
In the other direction, that some people got their alerts 2 minutes
early, could that be because it takes time to send out 100's of millions
of alerts?
On 2023-10-05 17:25, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-10-05 16:38, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 04 Oct 2023 22:17:17 -0500, Jim Joyce
<none@none.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 04 Oct 2023 21:04:58 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-10-04, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote
Why did you reboot? You may have shot yourself in the foot there. I >>>>>>> read that if the alert doesn't reach your phone, the system keeps >>>>>>> sending alerts for the full half hour. You kept getting alerts and I >>>>>>> didn't, so perhaps the OK is necessary for the system to know that >>>>>>> its alert has been received.
Thanks for that information about the OK stopping the alert, where >>>>>> the open
question is whether that OK sends information back to the
mothership or
not.
I can't imagine it would. What kind of infrastructure would tolerate >>>>> 300 million hits all at the same time as people pressed OK?
That infrastructure is robust and distributed across the various
wireless
carriers, and it's asynchronous so the responses can be cached until
the number
bleeds down to manageable levels. IOW, it's not really an issue.
In the other direction, that some people got their alerts 2 minutes
early, could that be because it takes time to send out 100's of millions >>> of alerts?
AFAIK it is a broadcast, a single message sent, not millions of them,
one per phone.
Same as TCP/IP broadcast, you send a single message to 224.0.0.0 and
everybody gets it. Or 192.168.255.255
192.168.255.255 will not get to any computer on my network.
On 2023-10-05 16:38, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 04 Oct 2023 22:17:17 -0500, Jim Joyce
<none@none.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 04 Oct 2023 21:04:58 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-10-04, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote
Why did you reboot? You may have shot yourself in the foot there. I >>>>>> read that if the alert doesn't reach your phone, the system keeps
sending alerts for the full half hour. You kept getting alerts and I >>>>>> didn't, so perhaps the OK is necessary for the system to know that >>>>>> its alert has been received.
Thanks for that information about the OK stopping the alert, where
the open
question is whether that OK sends information back to the
mothership or
not.
I can't imagine it would. What kind of infrastructure would tolerate >>>> 300 million hits all at the same time as people pressed OK?
That infrastructure is robust and distributed across the various
wireless
carriers, and it's asynchronous so the responses can be cached until
the number
bleeds down to manageable levels. IOW, it's not really an issue.
In the other direction, that some people got their alerts 2 minutes
early, could that be because it takes time to send out 100's of millions
of alerts?
AFAIK it is a broadcast, a single message sent, not millions of them,
one per phone.
Same as TCP/IP broadcast, you send a single message to 224.0.0.0 and everybody gets it. Or 192.168.255.255
On 2023-10-05 14:44, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-10-05 17:25, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-10-05 16:38, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 04 Oct 2023 22:17:17 -0500, Jim Joyce
<none@none.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 04 Oct 2023 21:04:58 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-10-04, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote
Why did you reboot? You may have shot yourself in the foot there. I >>>>>>>> read that if the alert doesn't reach your phone, the system keeps >>>>>>>> sending alerts for the full half hour. You kept getting alerts >>>>>>>> and I
didn't, so perhaps the OK is necessary for the system to know that >>>>>>>> its alert has been received.
Thanks for that information about the OK stopping the alert,
where the open
question is whether that OK sends information back to the
mothership or
not.
I can't imagine it would. What kind of infrastructure would tolerate >>>>>> 300 million hits all at the same time as people pressed OK?
That infrastructure is robust and distributed across the various
wireless
carriers, and it's asynchronous so the responses can be cached
until the number
bleeds down to manageable levels. IOW, it's not really an issue.
In the other direction, that some people got their alerts 2 minutes
early, could that be because it takes time to send out 100's of
millions
of alerts?
AFAIK it is a broadcast, a single message sent, not millions of them,
one per phone.
Same as TCP/IP broadcast, you send a single message to 224.0.0.0 and
everybody gets it. Or 192.168.255.255
192.168.255.255 will not get to any computer on my network.
I think he was drawing an analogy.
On 10/4/23 21:53, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 10/4/23 19:19, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 4 Oct 2023 11:48:10 -0700, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
My phone was on, but in airplane mode. Nothing. Somebody said the
signal would override airplane mode. Nope.
Someday, when cell phones don't interfere with airplanes and no one can
remember when they did, people will ask, Why do they call it airplane
mode.
Just like what's happening with the save icon..
The "phone" icon on my smartphone looks like a telephone handset, a
shape almost no modern phones have.
On 10/5/23 11:03, Wally J wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote
That infrastructure is robust and distributed across the various wireless >>>> carriers, and it's asynchronous so the responses can be cached until the number
bleeds down to manageable levels. IOW, it's not really an issue.
In the other direction, that some people got their alerts 2 minutes
early, could that be because it takes time to send out 100's of millions >>> of alerts?
I think everyone got it at the same time (x:18) depending on time zone.
Everyone got it at the same time. Timezones don't change that, only what
you CALL it.
On 10/5/2023 9:00 AM, Wally J wrote:
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote
Los Angeles: never saw the stupid turtle either. Teachers just yelled
DROP and we climbed under our desks. The ones with inkwells. And we
had ink pens before we got those really crappy ballpoint pens that left
blobs on the paper.
Not only did the school desks have inkwells in the far corner, but they had >> right handed inkwells and left handed inkwells for ambi-affirmation.
Not in the schools that would not let left-handed people use their left
hand. My sister was one of those.
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 5 Oct 2023 11:00:00 -0400, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 10/4/2023 6:18 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 4 Oct 2023 19:17:50 -0000 (UTC),
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:I think I was in your neck of the woods last month. Went to Jamestown,
On 2023-10-04, Alan Browne
Alerts can also take place as hostilities begin - in such a case you >>>>>>>> would have 10 - 30 minutes or so get to a basement or other shelter >>>>>>>> somewhere and hope it is not in the target area.
I'd hope it _is_ in the target area. I'd much rather flash-fry than >>>>>>> die of radiation, starvation, etc.
Life is survival.
There is no death unless you have lived.
Given the smaller nukes these days, you'll almost certainly be in
survival mode.
Then all we need are two bullets. One for my husband and one for me. >>>>>
I live near the largest naval station in the US. I fully expect that to be >>>> a prime target of any nuclear attack.
Yorktown Battlefield, and the Norfolk Zoo. Got out before the attack.
I live 2 miles from the NIH and Walter Reed Hospital, and 11 miles from
the White House. If the balloon goes up, no where to safely shelter in
this neck of the woods. Thinking about it, beginning as a newborn, I've
never lived in place where I wasn't either at a ground zero location or
within just a few miles from one.
You should get and carry an Organ Donor card. That's what keeps me
alive. I should be so lucky as to be young enough when I die to donate
any scarce organs.
(I'm already too old for them to want my bone marrow, even though it
seems to work for me.)
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 5 Oct 2023 12:04:45 -0500, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:
On 10/4/23 21:53, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 10/4/23 19:19, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 4 Oct 2023 11:48:10 -0700, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
My phone was on, but in airplane mode. Nothing. Somebody said the >>>>> signal would override airplane mode. Nope.
Someday, when cell phones don't interfere with airplanes and no one can >>>> remember when they did, people will ask, Why do they call it airplane
mode.
Just like what's happening with the save icon..
The "phone" icon on my smartphone looks like a telephone handset, a
shape almost no modern phones have.
I used to have one hanging in the bathroom, between the tub and the
toilet. When I find it, I'm connecting it again, right next to my desk. Currently the handset that came with the phone machine gives me poor
sound, but its speakerphone often gives the other side poor sound. I
expect a Western Electric handset will be perfect, even if it's 50 years
old.
Kids these days don't know the origin of the term "dial tone" because
they've never heard of or seen a telephone with a dial. We oldsters
also remember phones that didn't have a dial. They had a crank that you turned to alert the operator in the local office that you needed them to
make a connection for you. When you wanted to speak to someone out of
town, you had to ask the local operator to connect you to a long
distance operator. Sometimes the wires were so congested that you had
to get in a queue and was given an appointment time when your long
distance operator was likely to be available. We've come a long way
since then!
On 10/5/2023 4:41 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 5 Oct 2023 11:49:22 -0500, Sam E
<not.mail@all.invalid> wrote:
On 10/5/23 11:03, Wally J wrote:I understand how time zones work!
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wroteEveryone got it at the same time. Timezones don't change that, only what >>> you CALL it.
That infrastructure is robust and distributed across the various
wireless
carriers, and it's asynchronous so the responses can be cached
until the number
bleeds down to manageable levels. IOW, it's not really an issue.
In the other direction, that some people got their alerts 2 minutes
early, could that be because it takes time to send out 100's of
millions
of alerts?
I think everyone got it at the same time (x:18) depending on time zone. >>>
But I got it at 20 after plus a few seconds, not 18 after. Of course
this depends on how accurate the time on the phone is, and we discussed
that a while back.
I got it about a minutes after my wife did. Clearly they cannot send
them to everyone simultaneously. They were scheduled for from 2:18 to 20 minutes later IIRC.
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 5 Oct 2023 11:49:22 -0500, Sam E <not.mail@all.invalid> wrote:
On 10/5/23 11:03, Wally J wrote:I understand how time zones work!
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote
That infrastructure is robust and distributed across the various wireless >>>>> carriers, and it's asynchronous so the responses can be cached until the number
bleeds down to manageable levels. IOW, it's not really an issue.
In the other direction, that some people got their alerts 2 minutes
early, could that be because it takes time to send out 100's of millions >>>> of alerts?
I think everyone got it at the same time (x:18) depending on time zone.
Everyone got it at the same time. Timezones don't change that, only what
you CALL it.
But I got it at 20 after plus a few seconds, not 18 after. Of course
this depends on how accurate the time on the phone is, and we discussed
that a while back.
Kids these days don't know the origin of the term "dial tone" because
they've never heard of or seen a telephone with a dial. We oldsters
also remember phones that didn't have a dial. They had a crank that you turned to alert the operator in the local office that you needed them to
make a connection for you.
In our school, the teachers wouldn't let us chew gum, which we would chew anyway but sometimes the teacher would come around & we'd have to hide it.
On 2023-10-05 16:38, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 04 Oct 2023 22:17:17 -0500, Jim Joyce
<none@none.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 04 Oct 2023 21:04:58 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-10-04, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote
Why did you reboot? You may have shot yourself in the foot there. I >>>>>> read that if the alert doesn't reach your phone, the system keeps
sending alerts for the full half hour. You kept getting alerts and I >>>>>> didn't, so perhaps the OK is necessary for the system to know that >>>>>> its alert has been received.
Thanks for that information about the OK stopping the alert, where the open
question is whether that OK sends information back to the mothership or >>>>> not.
I can't imagine it would. What kind of infrastructure would tolerate
300 million hits all at the same time as people pressed OK?
That infrastructure is robust and distributed across the various wireless >>> carriers, and it's asynchronous so the responses can be cached until the number
bleeds down to manageable levels. IOW, it's not really an issue.
In the other direction, that some people got their alerts 2 minutes
early, could that be because it takes time to send out 100's of millions
of alerts?
AFAIK it is a broadcast, a single message sent, not millions of them,
one per phone.
On 10/5/2023 10:34 PM, Bob F wrote:
I got it about a minutes after my wife did. Clearly they cannot sendMy son and his wife were here at the time. All three were going off together. Maybe your local tower could not handle the load.
them to everyone simultaneously. They were scheduled for from 2:18 to
20 minutes later IIRC.
On 10/5/2023 10:34 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 10/5/2023 4:41 PM, micky wrote:My son and his wife were here at the time. All three were going off together. Maybe your local tower could not handle the load.
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 5 Oct 2023 11:49:22 -0500, Sam E
<not.mail@all.invalid> wrote:
On 10/5/23 11:03, Wally J wrote:I understand how time zones work!
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote
That infrastructure is robust and distributed across the various >>>>>>> wireless
carriers, and it's asynchronous so the responses can be cached
until the number
bleeds down to manageable levels. IOW, it's not really an issue.
In the other direction, that some people got their alerts 2 minutes >>>>>> early, could that be because it takes time to send out 100's of
millions
of alerts?
I think everyone got it at the same time (x:18) depending on time
zone.
Everyone got it at the same time. Timezones don't change that, only
what
you CALL it.
But I got it at 20 after plus a few seconds, not 18 after. Of course
this depends on how accurate the time on the phone is, and we discussed
that a while back.
I got it about a minutes after my wife did. Clearly they cannot send
them to everyone simultaneously. They were scheduled for from 2:18 to
20 minutes later IIRC.
Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote
Kids these days don't know the origin of the term "dial tone" because
they've never heard of or seen a telephone with a dial. We oldsters
also remember phones that didn't have a dial. They had a crank that you
turned to alert the operator in the local office that you needed them to
make a connection for you. When you wanted to speak to someone out of
town, you had to ask the local operator to connect you to a long
distance operator. Sometimes the wires were so congested that you had
to get in a queue and was given an appointment time when your long
distance operator was likely to be available. We've come a long way
since then!
Probably nobody here is so young as to not know what the modem tones
sounded like but the kids won't realize we would dial the number to connect to the mainframe and then when we heard the scrambled eggs, we'd physically place the telephone handset into the modem (at something like 300 baud).
This is something like a decade or two before US Robotics modems debuted.
On 10/5/2023 5:10 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 5 Oct 2023 12:04:45 -0500, Mark Lloyd
<not.email@all.invalid> wrote:
The "phone" icon on my smartphone looks like a telephone handset, a
shape almost no modern phones have.
I used to have one hanging in the bathroom, between the tub and the
toilet. When I find it, I'm connecting it again, right next to my desk.
Currently the handset that came with the phone machine gives me poor
sound, but its speakerphone often gives the other side poor sound. I
expect a Western Electric handset will be perfect, even if it's 50 years
old.
Kids these days don't know the origin of the term "dial tone" because
they've never heard of or seen a telephone with a dial. We oldsters
also remember phones that didn't have a dial. They had a crank that you turned to alert the operator in the local office that you needed them to
make a connection for you. When you wanted to speak to someone out of
town, you had to ask the local operator to connect you to a long
distance operator. Sometimes the wires were so congested that you had
to get in a queue and was given an appointment time when your long
distance operator was likely to be available. We've come a long way
since then!
On 10/5/23 12:40 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 10/5/2023 9:00 AM, Wally J wrote:
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote
Los Angeles: never saw the stupid turtle either. Teachers just yelled >>>> DROP and we climbed under our desks. The ones with inkwells. And we >>>> had ink pens before we got those really crappy ballpoint pens that left >>>> blobs on the paper.
Not only did the school desks have inkwells in the far corner, but
they had
right handed inkwells and left handed inkwells for ambi-affirmation.
Not in the schools that would not let left-handed people use their left
hand. My sister was one of those.
My left-handed hubby claims that lefties are smarter than righties
because their parents were smart enough to NOT try to change their
child's handedness. Righties are the control :-)
He could be right. Statistics are (is?) his thing.
On 10/5/23 7:04 PM, Wally J wrote:
Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote
Kids these days don't know the origin of the term "dial tone" because
they've never heard of or seen a telephone with a dial. We oldsters
also remember phones that didn't have a dial. They had a crank that you >>> turned to alert the operator in the local office that you needed them to >>> make a connection for you. When you wanted to speak to someone out of
town, you had to ask the local operator to connect you to a long
distance operator. Sometimes the wires were so congested that you had
to get in a queue and was given an appointment time when your long
distance operator was likely to be available. We've come a long way
since then!
Probably nobody here is so young as to not know what the modem tones
sounded like but the kids won't realize we would dial the number to connect >> to the mainframe and then when we heard the scrambled eggs, we'd physically >> place the telephone handset into the modem (at something like 300 baud).
Somewhere I have two of those. Xerox, in boxes, absolutely virgin. We
took them on one cross-country trip in case we needed to use a pay phone
to contact my office for email or something. Never happened, of course.
This is something like a decade or two before US Robotics modems debuted.
On 10/5/2023 5:07 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 5 Oct 2023 11:00:00 -0400, Retirednoguilt
<HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 10/4/2023 6:18 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 4 Oct 2023 19:17:50 -0000 (UTC),
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:I think I was in your neck of the woods last month. Went to Jamestown, >>>> Yorktown Battlefield, and the Norfolk Zoo. Got out before the attack.
On 2023-10-04, Alan Browne
Alerts can also take place as hostilities begin - in such a case you >>>>>>>>> would have 10 - 30 minutes or so get to a basement or other shelter >>>>>>>>> somewhere and hope it is not in the target area.
I'd hope it _is_ in the target area. I'd much rather flash-fry than >>>>>>>> die of radiation, starvation, etc.
Life is survival.
There is no death unless you have lived.
Given the smaller nukes these days, you'll almost certainly be in >>>>>>> survival mode.
Then all we need are two bullets. One for my husband and one for me. >>>>>>
I live near the largest naval station in the US. I fully expect that to be
a prime target of any nuclear attack.
I live 2 miles from the NIH and Walter Reed Hospital, and 11 miles from
the White House. If the balloon goes up, no where to safely shelter in
this neck of the woods. Thinking about it, beginning as a newborn, I've >>> never lived in place where I wasn't either at a ground zero location or
within just a few miles from one.
You should get and carry an Organ Donor card. That's what keeps me
alive. I should be so lucky as to be young enough when I die to donate
any scarce organs.
(I'm already too old for them to want my bone marrow, even though it
seems to work for me.)
Micky, did you forget that Maryland drivers licenses can indicate that
you're an organ donor by putting a heart symbol on the license? You
won't need a separate organ donor card. I have too many things I need
to carry in my wallet without carrying something redundant. However, I >suspect you have to ask each time you get a renewal because I just
realized that my current license no longer has the symbol whereas all my >earlier ones did going back to the 1980s.
On 10/5/2023 5:10 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 5 Oct 2023 12:04:45 -0500, Mark Lloyd
<not.email@all.invalid> wrote:
On 10/4/23 21:53, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 10/4/23 19:19, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 4 Oct 2023 11:48:10 -0700, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
My phone was on, but in airplane mode. Nothing. Somebody said the >>>>>> signal would override airplane mode. Nope.
Someday, when cell phones don't interfere with airplanes and no one can >>>>> remember when they did, people will ask, Why do they call it airplane >>>>> mode.
Just like what's happening with the save icon..
The "phone" icon on my smartphone looks like a telephone handset, a
shape almost no modern phones have.
I used to have one hanging in the bathroom, between the tub and the
toilet. When I find it, I'm connecting it again, right next to my desk.
Currently the handset that came with the phone machine gives me poor
sound, but its speakerphone often gives the other side poor sound. I
expect a Western Electric handset will be perfect, even if it's 50 years
old.
Kids these days don't know the origin of the term "dial tone" because
they've never heard of or seen a telephone with a dial. We oldsters
also remember phones that didn't have a dial. They had a crank that you >turned to alert the operator in the local office that you needed them to
make a connection for you. When you wanted to speak to someone out of
town, you had to ask the local operator to connect you to a long
distance operator. Sometimes the wires were so congested that you had
to get in a queue and was given an appointment time when your long
distance operator was likely to be available. We've come a long way
since then!
On 10/5/23 5:44 PM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 10/5/2023 5:10 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 5 Oct 2023 12:04:45 -0500, Mark Lloyd
<not.email@all.invalid> wrote:
The "phone" icon on my smartphone looks like a telephone handset, a
shape almost no modern phones have.
I used to have one hanging in the bathroom, between the tub and the
toilet. When I find it, I'm connecting it again, right next to my desk. >>> Currently the handset that came with the phone machine gives me poor
sound, but its speakerphone often gives the other side poor sound. I
expect a Western Electric handset will be perfect, even if it's 50 years >>> old.
YESSSSS!
Kids these days don't know the origin of the term "dial tone" because
they've never heard of or seen a telephone with a dial. We oldsters
also remember phones that didn't have a dial. They had a crank that you
turned to alert the operator in the local office that you needed them to
make a connection for you. When you wanted to speak to someone out of
town, you had to ask the local operator to connect you to a long
distance operator. Sometimes the wires were so congested that you had
to get in a queue and was given an appointment time when your long
distance operator was likely to be available. We've come a long way
since then!
My MIL was THE night-shift Long Lines operator in White Plains. No
matter where you lived in the US if you wanted to call England in the
middle of the night you talked to her back in the 70s. She said Elvis
used to call up in the middle of the night just to chat because she had
a friendly voice. She recognized his voice because she was a big
country music fan and met all the big guys when the played the Palomino
in North Hollywood when she lived out here.
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote
You know this because of two things (other than the beautiful grain):
1. Kids carved their names in the desks, and...
2. The ABC gum stuck better to the underside in an emergency.
I never understood the appeal of gum.
In our school, the teachers wouldn't let us chew gum, which we would chew >anyway but sometimes the teacher would come around & we'd have to hide it.
Luckily it tasted just as good when retrieved as the moment prior to >safekeeping under the desk.
Meanwhile... I worked at the local movie theater and I had the pleasure of >being told by the manager to clean up the floor gum with a cold spray.
Yuck.
On 10/5/23 10:04 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 10/4/23 21:53, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 10/4/23 19:19, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 4 Oct 2023 11:48:10 -0700, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
My phone was on, but in airplane mode. Nothing. Somebody said the
signal would override airplane mode. Nope.
Someday, when cell phones don't interfere with airplanes and no one can >>>> remember when they did, people will ask, Why do they call it airplane
mode.
Just like what's happening with the save icon..
The "phone" icon on my smartphone looks like a telephone handset, a
shape almost no modern phones have.
Which is a real shame. They were truly comfortable AND the sound was
crystal clear. Thank you, Western Electric.
On 10/5/2023 8:04 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 10/5/2023 10:34 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 10/5/2023 4:41 PM, micky wrote:My son and his wife were here at the time. All three were going off
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 5 Oct 2023 11:49:22 -0500, Sam E
<not.mail@all.invalid> wrote:
On 10/5/23 11:03, Wally J wrote:I understand how time zones work!
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote
That infrastructure is robust and distributed across the various >>>>>>>> wirelessIn the other direction, that some people got their alerts 2 minutes >>>>>>> early, could that be because it takes time to send out 100's of
carriers, and it's asynchronous so the responses can be cached >>>>>>>> until the number
bleeds down to manageable levels. IOW, it's not really an issue. >>>>>>>
millions
of alerts?
I think everyone got it at the same time (x:18) depending on time
zone.
Everyone got it at the same time. Timezones don't change that, only
what
you CALL it.
But I got it at 20 after plus a few seconds, not 18 after. Of course
this depends on how accurate the time on the phone is, and we discussed >>>> that a while back.
I got it about a minutes after my wife did. Clearly they cannot send
them to everyone simultaneously. They were scheduled for from 2:18 to
20 minutes later IIRC.
together. Maybe your local tower could not handle the load.
Why did they schedule the test for 20 minutes?
you could hold them on your shoulder, even without a special bracket
I still have the special bracket my mother bought around 1960. The
rubber is melting at one end and I'm afraid to touch the rest of the
rubber, but I guess I can still use it or I could just remove it and
glue in some more rubber. But that handset is connected to a phone and
I want to find the one I have with no phone.
My first grade teacher made me chew gum once.
Based on movies, it's clear they had dial phones in NYC maybe a decade
before we got them.
On 10/6/23 04:10, micky wrote:
Based on movies, it's clear they had dial phones in NYC maybe a decade
before we got them.
But when was it widely adopted in NYC?
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 5 Oct 2023 20:44:58 -0400, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 10/5/2023 5:10 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 5 Oct 2023 12:04:45 -0500, Mark Lloyd
<not.email@all.invalid> wrote:
On 10/4/23 21:53, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 10/4/23 19:19, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 4 Oct 2023 11:48:10 -0700, The Real Bev >>>>>> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
My phone was on, but in airplane mode. Nothing. Somebody said the >>>>>>> signal would override airplane mode. Nope.
Someday, when cell phones don't interfere with airplanes and no one can >>>>>> remember when they did, people will ask, Why do they call it airplane >>>>>> mode.
Just like what's happening with the save icon..
The "phone" icon on my smartphone looks like a telephone handset, a
shape almost no modern phones have.
I used to have one hanging in the bathroom, between the tub and the
toilet. When I find it, I'm connecting it again, right next to my desk. >>> Currently the handset that came with the phone machine gives me poor
sound, but its speakerphone often gives the other side poor sound. I
expect a Western Electric handset will be perfect, even if it's 50 years >>> old.
Kids these days don't know the origin of the term "dial tone" because
they've never heard of or seen a telephone with a dial. We oldsters
also remember phones that didn't have a dial. They had a crank that you
turned to alert the operator in the local office that you needed them to
make a connection for you. When you wanted to speak to someone out of
town, you had to ask the local operator to connect you to a long
distance operator. Sometimes the wires were so congested that you had
to get in a queue and was given an appointment time when your long
distance operator was likely to be available. We've come a long way
since then!
In 1945 my mother married and moved to Western Pa. She would pick up the phone and the operator would say, Number pleeuz. and she would say
Oliver 4-1234 or something. And after a few days the operator said,
"You don't have to say Oliver 4, Ma'am. They're all Oliver 4."
If the line was busy, the operator would say, "The line is buzzzzzy".
That's the origin of the sound of the busy signal. :-)
One day when I was at school the phone company came and put dials on the phone. They took the 2" square plate off the top of the wall phone in
the kitchen and wired in a dial that screwed to the top where the plate
had been. In my parents' bedroom they replaced the phone entirely.
Based on movies, it's clear they had dial phones in NYC maybe a decade
before we got them.
Oh yeah, when I was in the first grade, my parents were at friends on a Saturday night in December. I was almost 6 and my brother was 12. We
had a baby sitter but I thought my brother was picking on me. (Well, he
was.) So I looked my parents' friends' number up in the phone book and
called my mother to complain. And they were so amazed that I could use
the phone book. I thought their amazement was strange or silly. After
all, in school they had started teaching me to read in September. More
than 3 months ago. What was the point of teaching me to read if they
didn't think I would do it?
We had to read outloud when the teacher called on us so I know that
every kid in my class could read by the end of December.
micky wrote:
you could hold them on your shoulder, even without a special bracket
I saw a woman wandering around the supermarket the other day, holding a conversation, with her mobile phone strapped to her face by her hijab ...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/03/fema-test-emergency-alert-oct-4
Emergency alert to be tested on US cellphones, TV and radio on Wednesday
The nationwide test is scheduled for 2.20pm ET and will play on US
cellphones and TV and radio stations.
The test is organized by Federal Emergency Management Agency, in
coordination with Federal Communications Commission, and the Puerto Rico Emergency Management Bureau, according to a Fema press release.
The test will assess two alert systems: the emergency alert system (EAS), which plays on TV and radio, and the wireless emergency alert (WEA).
Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote
Silicon Valley is as flat as a pancake - surrounded by ~3K' mountains.
And a typical airburst is between 300 and 3000 feet.
Drat. I forgot about that. Now I have to dig a tunnel five feet into the hillside and hide there. I think the initial impacts can't go that deep.
That said, there are no significant military facilities remaining in
the bay area to target.
They turned FMC (across from the SJC airport) into an office complex, complete with stadium and stores - so I think you're probably right.
Thank God for these emergency alerts to protect me from all that... but
still... I suspect they are testing each and every phone's bounceback.
It's using the SMS facilities, which always acknowledge receipt of a SMS
message to the CO.
Ahh. That makes sense. So they know who got it before they pressed the OK?
On 10/6/2023 9:23 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 10/6/23 04:10, micky wrote:
Based on movies, it's clear they had dial phones in NYC maybe a decade
before we got them.
But when was it widely adopted in NYC?
According to the YouTube caption, "A 1940 educational short by Bell
Telephone to show customers that were receiving new dial phones how to
use the new device, and why they were getting these new sets."
Of course, that's not when they became common. However, I suspect it
was probably soon afterwards because after WW II began, labor efficiency
became very important and many telephone operators no longer needed
ended up doing "the men's work" when the men went off to war.
see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p45T7U5oi9Q
I just posted sections of Wikipedia explaining how it works and the kind
of feedback they get.
AFAIK it is a broadcast, a single message sent, not millions of them,
one per phone.
I believe you're right that these alerts are broadcasts, which is different from
SMS. Above, when I was talking about infrastructure that can handle millions of
hits, at that moment I was thinking of SMS. I may have muddied the waters there.
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 6 Oct 2023 11:10:19 -0400, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 10/6/2023 9:23 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 10/6/23 04:10, micky wrote:
Based on movies, it's clear they had dial phones in NYC maybe a decade >>>> before we got them.
But when was it widely adopted in NYC?
You're right. The movies are usually aobut some debonair man in his
expensive apartment, or a glamorous woman in her expensive apartment.
But once they have the automated exchange for the use of anyone, then it wouldn't take long for everyone to be be connected to it. It would only require installing the phones and connecting the wires at the exchanges.
According to the YouTube caption, "A 1940 educational short by Bell
Telephone to show customers that were receiving new dial phones how to
use the new device, and why they were getting these new sets."
Of course, that's not when they became common. However, I suspect it
was probably soon afterwards because after WW II began, labor efficiency
for different reasons, I would guess a year or two for almost everyone
to have it, by 1942. Compared to 1952 or so when we got dial phones.
became very important and many telephone operators no longer needed
ended up doing "the men's work" when the men went off to war.
see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p45T7U5oi9Q
Thanks for adding that value as I had never heard of SMS-CB before.
Much appreciated...
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_Broadcast>
On 10/6/23 14:11, Wally J wrote:
Thanks for adding that value as I had never heard of SMS-CB before.
Much appreciated...
Me neither!
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_Broadcast>
I am confused about this.
"A Cell Broadcast message is an unconfirmed push service, meaning that
the originators of the messages do not know who has received the
message, allowing for services based on anonymity"
"Each repeated CB message will have the same message identifier
(indicating the source of the message), and the same serial number.
Using this information, the mobile telephone is able to identify and
ignore broadcasts of already received messages. "
This seems to imply that SMS-CB acts more like a radio station, sending
out a broadcast that your phone ignores after logging it. So, how does
the network know who got it?
On 10/6/23 14:11, Wally J wrote:================================================================
Thanks for adding that value as I had never heard of SMS-CB before.
Much appreciated...
Me neither!
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_Broadcast>
I am confused about this.
"A Cell Broadcast message is an unconfirmed push service, meaning that
the originators of the messages do not know who has received the
message, allowing for services based on anonymity"========
"Each repeated CB message will have the same message identifier
(indicating the source of the message), and the same serial number.
Using this information, the mobile telephone is able to identify and
ignore broadcasts of already received messages. "
This seems to imply that SMS-CB acts more like a radio station, sending
out a broadcast that your phone ignores after logging it. So, how does
the network know who got it?
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 23:15:11 -0500, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
On 10/6/23 14:11, Wally J wrote:
Thanks for adding that value as I had never heard of SMS-CB before.
Much appreciated...
Me neither!
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_Broadcast>
I am confused about this.
"A Cell Broadcast message is an unconfirmed push service, meaning that
the originators of the messages do not know who has received the
message, allowing for services based on anonymity"
"Each repeated CB message will have the same message identifier
(indicating the source of the message), and the same serial number.
Using this information, the mobile telephone is able to identify and
ignore broadcasts of already received messages. "
This seems to imply that SMS-CB acts more like a radio station, sending
out a broadcast that your phone ignores after logging it. So, how does
the network know who got it?
They don't. They know which towers were broadcasting, and they know the start and stop times for the broadcasts, but they don't know who got it because there
is no acknowledgement. The 'OK' button that someone mentioned is a local ack, not a network ack.
On 10/6/23 14:11, Wally J wrote:
Thanks for adding that value as I had never heard of SMS-CB before.
Much appreciated...
Me neither!
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_Broadcast>
I am confused about this.
"A Cell Broadcast message is an unconfirmed push service, meaning that
the originators of the messages do not know who has received the
message, allowing for services based on anonymity"
"Each repeated CB message will have the same message identifier
(indicating the source of the message), and the same serial number.
Using this information, the mobile telephone is able to identify and
ignore broadcasts of already received messages. "
This seems to imply that SMS-CB acts more like a radio station, sending
out a broadcast that your phone ignores after logging it. So, how does
the network know who got it?
Why did they schedule the test for 20 minutes?
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