Seems that we're generally looking at longer device "lifetimes" now?
Samsung 4 years of major upgrades and 5 years of security fixes
Fairphone are giving "at least" 5 major upgrades for the fairphone5
Google previously gave 3 years for both, currently give 3 years and 5 years, the rumour is from the upcoming pixel8 they're going to going to get 7
years of major upgrades
[No need to drag a**le into this, the subject concerns android devices]
Frank Slootweg's Samsung went from 10 to 13, my Galaxy A32-5G (Released
2021, January 22) went from 11 to 13 with recently Sept security fixes.
How are your Pixel's doing?
Google previously gave 3 years for both, currently give 3 years and 5 years, >> the rumour is from the upcoming pixel8 they're going to going to get 7
years of major upgrades
I wonder how "important" the security patches are that happen during the Project Mainline (aka "Google Play system updates") & Treble updates?
How are your Pixel's doing?
Pixel 5a, doesn't feel 'old' yet, only issue I've had was one bad
monthly update that hurt daily battery life, fixed the following month,
will receive updates until August 2024 (I doubt whether the 15 upgrade
will come out during that timescale)
Google previously gave 3 years for both, currently give 3 years and 5 years,
the rumour is from the upcoming pixel8 they're going to going to get 7
years of major upgrades
I wonder how "important" the security patches are that happen during the
Project Mainline (aka "Google Play system updates") & Treble updates?
The Play updates seem somewhat behind the security updates, e.g. it's on
1st Sept security fixes and 1st Aug Play updates right now.
Would
normally expect a new security fix during the first week of Oct, but
that's likely to be the v14 major upgrade instead this month.
Fairphone is in a class of their own because they ship updates beyond
when Qualcomm have stopped supporting the hardware - that necessarily
means they can't ship updates for the parts they don't have source for,
and are stuck on the last version of Qualcomm's codebase
For vendors who offer N years of version updates and N+1 years of security updates, I'm not clear if the +1 is just supporting the final release for it's year of currency - ie if version X is released in October, it'll be supported until the following September, and then X+1 comes out which the phone doesn't get. So the +1 is more accurately described as +0.99
Seems that we're generally looking at longer device "lifetimes" now?
Samsung 4 years of major upgrades and 5 years of security fixes
Fairphone are giving "at least" 5 major upgrades for the fairphone5
Google previously gave 3 years for both,
currently give 3 years and 5 years,
the rumour is from the upcoming pixel8 they're going to going to get 7
years of major upgrades
Theo wrote:
Fairphone is in a class of their own because they ship updates beyond
when Qualcomm have stopped supporting the hardware - that necessarily
means they can't ship updates for the parts they don't have source for,
and are stuck on the last version of Qualcomm's codebase
Never looked seriously at them before, the SoC in the fairphone 5 seems
to be some type of "LTS" chipset ...
Google were sort of guilty of that, e.g. my previous Pixel3, launched
with android 9, got three upgrades to android 12, then theoretically
support stopped the moment it got that upgrade ... in practice google
weren't that harsh and it did get a 12.0.1 type upgrade to fix all the initial bugs in 12, and then one more fix a couple of months after that,
but doing a major upgrade then slamming the door does feel like a daft policy.
Theo wrote:
Did you get security updates for that year, or did they stop when 12 was released?
They stopped after Oct21, it just happened to get a few of bugfixes in
Jan22, Feb22 and Jun22.
Does anyone apart from Fairphone offer security updates >1 year after the version updates stop? I think Samsung is 4+1, and aside from FP I can't think of anyone else.
Google do 3+2 years, starting with the Pixel6
Did you get security updates for that year, or did they stop when 12 was released?
Does anyone apart from Fairphone offer security updates >1 year after the version updates stop? I think Samsung is 4+1, and aside from FP I can't think of anyone else.
There seem to be updates and updates. Some OEMs don't ship all the security updates, or they ship them late (eg quarterly not monthly).
Fairphone is in a class of their own because they ship updates beyond when Qualcomm have stopped supporting the hardware - that necessarily means they can't ship updates for the parts they don't have source for, and are stuck
on the last version of Qualcomm's codebase (which I think means they're on the last QC kernel, although I'm not sure how Mainline/Treble plays here). They deliver 'updates' but not don't fully patch everything (or so I'm
told).
For vendors who offer N years of version updates and N+1 years of security updates, I'm not clear if the +1 is just supporting the final release for it's year of currency - ie if version X is released in October, it'll be supported until the following September, and then X+1 comes out which the phone doesn't get. So the +1 is more accurately described as +0.99
One thing mentioned when discussing this elsewhere is whether Google will maintain 'LTS' versions of Android for the +2, +3 or whatever years of security updates. It may be it's easier for them to just ship new Android versions than have to backport updates to very old versions of Android. In particular the Pixel 6 and 7 series are on 3+2 years, and maybe it's easier for them to make that 5+0 (or 4+1) than offer 2 years of backports. It's possible Google have under-promised here to minimise risks around getting used to their own(ish) silicon, and they could yet over-deliver.
It will be interesting to see what Google say in the Pixel event tomorrow...
doing a major upgrade then slamming the door does feel like a daft
policy.
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote
doing a major upgrade then slamming the door does feel like a daft
policy.
They didn't "slam the door" so much as slam one of the three doors...
a. Security updates (which are named as such)
b. Security updates (via Google Play services update)
c. Security updates (via Project Treble updates)
What we need to figure out is how to differentiate between those three.
This article that Wolff found may hold the key as Google is circumspect.
*How to find out what's actually new in Google Play System Updates*
<https://www.esper.io/blog/building-a-google-play-system-update-changelog>
The way esper goes about it is to take apart the donated AOSP src code.
<https://android.googlesource.com/platform/system/timezone/+/refs/tags/aml_tz4_331012050>
This can work because all the Mainline modules are donated to the AOSP.
They didn't "slam the door" so much as slam one of the three doors...
I thought I'd given the Pixel3 away, but actually I've still got it, it probably hasn't been turned on since whatever day the UK did a test of
the Emergency Alert system*
a. Security updates (which are named as such)
b. Security updates (via Google Play services update)
c. Security updates (via Project Treble updates)
can you suggest some modules which you think have been recently updated
via non security update methods?
As for the Emergency Alerts, we get a bunch here (even for earthquakes,
but, um, er... by the time you get an earthquake alert, you already know.)
I've turned them all off except the one you can't turn off in the USA.
Even though I live in California where earthquakes & fires abound.
I've turned them all off except the one you can't turn off in the USA.
Even though I live in California where earthquakes & fires abound.
Ouch, try to stay safe!
Wally J wrote:
The problem with these alerts is they are almost all bogus
Yes, since I got a warning for a tropical storm half the planet away
from me I've turned them all off (supposedly we don't have a $GOD level
that can't be turned off)
The problem with these alerts is they are almost all bogus
The problem with these alerts is they are almost all bogus
Yes, since I got a warning for a tropical storm half the planet away
from me I've turned them all off (supposedly we don't have a $GOD level
that can't be turned off)
Would normally expect a new security fix during the first week of Oct,
but that's likely to be the v14 major upgrade instead this month.
the rumour is from the upcoming pixel8 they're going to going to get 7
years of major upgrades
Would normally expect a new security fix during the first week of Oct,
but that's likely to be the v14 major upgrade instead this month.
Sideloading v14 OTA now ...
You have 37 project mainline (Google Play system update) modules now!
Please let us know how Android 14 feels.
Normally I don't see much of a
change between Android releases. Do you?
Normally I don't see much of a
change between Android releases. Do you?
Not really, a few status bar changes, lock screen extras,
new styling for on/off toggles
Do you plan on using the native satellite features of Android 14?
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