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  • Re: 43 phones have failed french RF testing

    From Wally J@21:1/5 to Chris on Fri Sep 29 14:11:22 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote

    Looks like pretty much every
    manufacturer has had one or more models fail, incl. Samsung (2 models), Motorola, Sony, Huawei. The worst offenders are Xiaomi and Nokia with
    six and five models respectively.

    Good to know Chris. Thanks for posting useful salient information.

    Most of us have Pixels and Samsungs on the Android newsgroup, so it's
    good to know only the Samsung NOTE 10 PLUS & Z FLIP are affected.

    To add further value, attached is the chart with the current data
    (so that people can more easily run a control-F search for their phone).

    1 COM088190006 NOKIA 3.1 (TA-1063DS) 8 octobre 2019 2,73 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM088190006
    2 COM030180010 NOKIA 3 (TA-1032DS) 7 juin 2018 2,37 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM030180010
    3 COM083180041 NOKIA 5 4 septembre 2018 2,24 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM083180041
    4 COM071190003 NOKIA 6.1 (TA-1043) 26 février 2019 3,58 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM071190003
    5 COM075190012 ONE PLUS 6T (A6013) 4 avril 2019 2,56 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM075190012
    6 COM049210018 REALME 7i (RMX2193) 21 avril 2021 1,96 5 4,91 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM049210018
    7 COM071190016 NOKIA 7 PLUS (TA-1046) 11 septembre 2019 3,48 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM071190016
    8 COM071190016 NOKIA 7 PLUS (TA-1046) (MAJ) 11 septembre 2019 2,15 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM071190016
    9 COM054210046 ONEPLUS 7 PRO (GM1913) 10 décembre 2021 1,43 5 4,42 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM054210046
    10 COM038180002 ARCHOS ACCESS 50 7 mars 2018 3,01 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM038180002
    11 COM062220004 ESSENTIELB CLAP 20 + (8008396 / 3026X) 24 mars 2022 2,73 5 4,14 Non Conforme www.anfr.fr/das/COM062220004
    12 COM071210002 MOTOROLA EDGE (XT2063-3 / MC351) 5 mai 2021 2,12 5 2,82 Non Conforme www.anfr.fr/das/COM071210002
    13 COM071210002 MOTOROLA EDGE (XT2063-3 / MC351) MAJ1 5 mai 2021 2,24 5 Non Conforme www.anfr.fr/das/COM071210002
    14 COM082170011 HISENSE F23 14 septembre 2017 0,383 2,13 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM082170011
    15 COM075200003 SAMSUNG GALAXY NOTE 10 PLUS (SM-N975F/DS) 3 novembre 2020 1,45 5 4,33 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM075200003
    16 COM062210006 SAMSUNG GALAXY Z FLIP (SM-F707B) 1 juin 2021 0,417 2,502 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM062210006
    17 COM062210006 SAMSUNG GALAXY Z FLIP (SM-F707B) (MAJ) 1 juin 2021 3,024 5 1,882 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM062210006
    18 COM044190025 GIGASET GS370 PLUS 1 juillet 2019 2,37 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM044190025
    19 COM062210017 GIGASET GX290 2 juin 2021 2,94 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM062210017
    20 COM013170002 ORANGE HAPI 30 15 juillet 2017 0,631 2,1 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM013170002
    21 COM054200035 ESSENTIELB HEYOU 40 12 novembre 2020 2,54 5 4,02 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM054200035
    22 COM038200002 ESSENTIELB HEYOU 60 9 septembre 2020 0,844 2,86 5 5,26 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM038200002
    23 COM049170013 HUAWEI HONOR 8 (FRD-L09) 11 mai 2017 2,11 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM049170013
    24 COM094180016 ECHO HORIZON LITE 2 mai 2018 2,38 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM094180016
    25 COM094180023 ECHO HORIZON LITE (MAJ) 14 septembre 2018 2,84 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM094180023
    26 COM069210001 HISENSE INFINITY H30 (HLTE315E) 8 juin 2021 1,84 5 4,4 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM069210001
    27 COM054210042 APPLE IPHONE 12 5G (A2403) 16 novembre 2021 1,178 5 5,74 Non Conforme www.anfr.fr/das/COM054210042
    28 COM056190006 LOGICOM LE HOLA 25 septembre 2019 2,58 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM056190006
    29 COM040210001 LOGICOM LE PULSE 28 avril 2021 2,47 5 4,36 Non Conforme www.anfr.fr/das/COM040210001
    30 COM040210001 LOGICOM LE PULSE (MAJ) 28 avril 2021 2,02 5 4,36 Non Conforme www.anfr.fr/das/COM040210001
    31 COM040210001 LOGICOM LE PULSE (MAJ) 28 avril 2021 2,31 5 4,28 Non Conforme www.anfr.fr/das/COM040210001
    32 COM004220002 LOGICOM LE SWIPE 3 mars 2022 2,07 5 3,25 Non Conforme www.anfr.fr/das/COM004220002
    33 COM004220002 LOGICOM LE SWIPE (MAJ1) 3 mars 2022 2,04 5 Non Conforme www.anfr.fr/das/COM004220002
    34 COM038180001 LOGICOM M Bot 60 7 mars 2018 2,81 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM038180001
    35 COM087180003 XIAOMI MI MIX 2S 4 juillet 2018 2,94 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM087180003
    36 COM006200006 XIAOMI MI NOTE 10 (M1910F4G) 26 février 2020 2,45 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM006200006
    37 COM049170017 TP LINK NEFFOS X1 TP902A 5 octobre 2017 2,52 5 Non Conforme
    38 COM074170002 ALCATEL PIXI 4 - 6'' (9001D) 14 mars 2017 0,308 2,04 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM074170002
    39 COM071210013 XIAOMI POCO X3 (M2007J20CG) 29 novembre 2021 2,33 5 Non Conforme www.anfr.fr/das/COM071210013
    40 COM071210013 XIAOMI POCO X3 (M2007J20CG)(MAJ1) 29 novembre 2021 2,67 5 5,49 Non Conforme www.anfr.fr/das/COM071210013
    41 COM071190015 RAZER RAZER PHONE 2 (RZ35-0259) 11 septembre 2019 0,447 3,29 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM071190015
    42 COM088190007 XIAOMI REDMI 7 (M1810F6LG) 8 octobre 2019 2,01 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM088190007
    43 COM087180002 XIAOMI REDMI NOTE 5 4 juillet 2018 2,08 1,59 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM087180002
    44 COM075200002 XIAOMI REDMI NOTE 9 PRO (M2003J6B2G) 3 novembre 2020 0,771 5 4,96 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM075200002
    45 COM071180001 LEAGOO S8 14 juin 2018 2,39 5 Non Conforme
    46 COM044170030 ECHO STAR PLUS 10 octobre 2017 2,05 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM044170030
    47 COM054170036 WIKO TOMMY 2 BOUYGUES TELECOM 10 octobre 2017 2,46 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM054170036
    48 COM064180003 WIKO VIEW 4 avril 2018 2,44 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM064180003
    49 COM071180018 ALLVIEW X4 SOUL MINI S 8 août 2018 4,6 5 Non Conforme
    50 COM019200002 SONY XPERIA 5 (J9210 / PM-1241-BV) 26 février 2020 2,64 5 Non Conforme
    51 COM004220003 WIKO Y82 (W-K630) 3 mars 2022 1,7

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 29 18:51:07 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Given the high profile news about the iphone 12, it's interesting to
    note that Apple aren't alone in having released phones that have failed
    french RF testing.

    All the data are public and can be searched here: https://data.anfr.fr/explore/dataset/das-telephonie-mobile?sort=modele&refine.conformite_aux_normes=Non+Conforme

    There are 51 entries, but eight are retests following attempted fixes
    (labelled 'MAJ'). Presumably in software. Looks like pretty much every manufacturer has had one or more models fail, incl. Samsung (2 models), Motorola, Sony, Huawei. The worst offenders are Xiaomi and Nokia with
    six and five models respectively.

    It's notable that it isn't easy to pass as the attempted fixes often
    fail as shown by the eight labelled as 'MAJ' yet still 'non conforme':
    failed. It sometimes take two goes.

    And, I just noticed, that of yesterday the iphone 12 with iOS 17.0.1 is
    now compliant: https://data.anfr.fr/explore/dataset/das-telephonie-mobile?sort=-date_pr%C3%A9l%C3%A8vement&refine.marque=APPLE

    Full report here:
    https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM054210042/1-6460_23-30-03.pdf

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Chris on Fri Sep 29 16:34:47 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-09-29 13:51, Chris wrote:

    Given the high profile news about the iphone 12, it's interesting to
    note that Apple aren't alone in having released phones that have failed french RF testing.

    <snipped>

    And, I just noticed, that of yesterday the iphone 12 with iOS 17.0.1 is
    now compliant: https://data.anfr.fr/explore/dataset/das-telephonie-mobile?sort=-date_pr%C3%A9l%C3%A8vement&refine.marque=APPLE

    Chris, you have no respect for the trolls. This will cause them no end
    of embarrassment.

    QUOTE
    *ROTFLSTC*
    The French authorities used multiple institutes and other authorities
    have no say in France and Europe.
    ENDQUOTE by Jörg Lorenz

    QUOTE
    Apple has a clear order by the French authorities to rectify the issue
    within 2 weeks.
    ENDQUOTE by Jörg Lorenz

    QUOTE
    The order of European authorities based on law are non-negotiable.
    Americans and especially the Fanboys in this group have enormous pain
    to accept that fact.
    ENDQUOTE by Jörg Lorenz

    Hmm - doesn't look like Apple rectified anything. They did tell ANFR to
    test properly.

    Full report here:
    https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM054210042/1-6460_23-30-03.pdf

    Skimmed it - you can see on page 25 that it was tested by Cetecom
    Advanced in Germany between 23 and 27 Sept. this year and the client is
    ANFR (page 1).

    So I guess Apple told them to head in and test correctly.

    --
    “Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.â€
    - John Maynard Keynes.

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Fri Sep 29 16:58:23 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote

    Chris, you have no respect for the trolls. This will cause them no end
    of embarrassment.

    Adults will notice that Alan Browne acted like a child.
    The people he's calling trolls commended Chris for what Chris posted.
    They even enhanced what Chris posted so as to be more useful to others.

    Meanwhile, iKooks like Alan Browne merely acted like vindictive children. Again.

    The fact is that the reason Apple newsgroups are so childish...
    ... is the iKooks themselves... act like children.

    Everyone else acts like an adult.

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Wally J on Fri Sep 29 23:39:52 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 9/29/23 15:58, Wally J wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote

    Chris, you have no respect for the trolls. This will cause them no end
    of embarrassment.

    Adults will notice that Alan Browne acted like a child.
    The people he's calling trolls commended Chris for what Chris posted.
    They even enhanced what Chris posted so as to be more useful to others.

    Meanwhile, iKooks like Alan Browne merely acted like vindictive children. Again.

    The fact is that the reason Apple newsgroups are so childish...
    ... is the iKooks themselves... act like children.

    Everyone else acts like an adult.

    Agreed, the aggression came from nowhere.
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Sat Sep 30 07:56:55 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-09-29 13:51, Chris wrote:

    Given the high profile news about the iphone 12, it's interesting to
    note that Apple aren't alone in having released phones that have failed
    french RF testing.

    <snipped>

    And, I just noticed, that of yesterday the iphone 12 with iOS 17.0.1 is
    now compliant:
    https://data.anfr.fr/explore/dataset/das-telephonie-mobile?sort=-date_pr%C3%A9l%C3%A8vement&refine.marque=APPLE

    Chris, you have no respect for the trolls. This will cause them no end
    of embarrassment.

    QUOTE
    *ROTFLSTC*
    The French authorities used multiple institutes and other authorities
    have no say in France and Europe.
    ENDQUOTE by Jörg Lorenz

    QUOTE
    Apple has a clear order by the French authorities to rectify the issue
    within 2 weeks.
    ENDQUOTE by Jörg Lorenz

    QUOTE
    The order of European authorities based on law are non-negotiable.
    Americans and especially the Fanboys in this group have enormous pain
    to accept that fact.
    ENDQUOTE by Jörg Lorenz

    Hmm - doesn't look like Apple rectified anything. They did tell ANFR to
    test properly.

    Full report here:
    https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM054210042/1-6460_23-30-03.pdf

    Skimmed it - you can see on page 25 that it was tested by Cetecom
    Advanced in Germany between 23 and 27 Sept. this year and the client is
    ANFR (page 1).

    As was the original test.

    So I guess Apple told them to head in and test correctly.

    Or between iOS 14.7.1 and 17.0.1 Apple implemented a change.

    Or the random variability between iphones is such that when picking two different ones one will pass and the other fails.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Chris on Sat Sep 30 10:15:06 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-09-30 03:56, Chris wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-09-29 13:51, Chris wrote:

    Given the high profile news about the iphone 12, it's interesting to
    note that Apple aren't alone in having released phones that have failed
    french RF testing.

    <snipped>

    And, I just noticed, that of yesterday the iphone 12 with iOS 17.0.1 is
    now compliant:
    https://data.anfr.fr/explore/dataset/das-telephonie-mobile?sort=-date_pr%C3%A9l%C3%A8vement&refine.marque=APPLE

    Chris, you have no respect for the trolls. This will cause them no end
    of embarrassment.

    QUOTE
    *ROTFLSTC*
    The French authorities used multiple institutes and other authorities
    have no say in France and Europe.
    ENDQUOTE by Jörg Lorenz

    QUOTE
    Apple has a clear order by the French authorities to rectify the issue
    within 2 weeks.
    ENDQUOTE by Jörg Lorenz

    QUOTE
    The order of European authorities based on law are non-negotiable.
    Americans and especially the Fanboys in this group have enormous pain
    to accept that fact.
    ENDQUOTE by Jörg Lorenz

    Hmm - doesn't look like Apple rectified anything. They did tell ANFR to
    test properly.

    Full report here:
    https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM054210042/1-6460_23-30-03.pdf

    Skimmed it - you can see on page 25 that it was tested by Cetecom
    Advanced in Germany between 23 and 27 Sept. this year and the client is
    ANFR (page 1).

    As was the original test.
    (Other than the dates of course).


    So I guess Apple told them to head in and test correctly.

    Or between iOS 14.7.1 and 17.0.1 Apple implemented a change.

    Possible.

    Or the random variability between iphones is such that when picking two different ones one will pass and the other fails.

    Test method is very instrumental in outcomes. And if you go through the
    report you'll see that it is a very involved process with a non-trivial
    test setup such that results from different labs would be very unlikely
    to yield the same outcome - even at the same facility.

    --
    “Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.â€
    - John Maynard Keynes.

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