On Saturday, 9 October 2021 at 04:19:40 UTC+5:30, sms wrote:
It would be wonderful if Apple added RCS capability to the iPhone, andApple has absolutely no interest that RCS is implemented.
Google is offering to help:
<https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/7/22715696/svp-android-invitation-apple-rcs-texting-iphone>.
<https://www.fonada.com/rcs-business-messaging/>.
Yeah, it's almost immaterial now with Slate, WhatsApp, and WeChat.
sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote
On Saturday, 9 October 2021 at 04:19:40 UTC+5:30, sms wrote:
It would be wonderful if Apple added RCS capability to the iPhone, and >>>> Google is offering to help:Apple has absolutely no interest that RCS is implemented.
<https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/7/22715696/svp-android-invitation-apple-rcs-texting-iphone>.
<https://www.fonada.com/rcs-business-messaging/>.
Yeah, it's almost immaterial now with Slate, WhatsApp, and WeChat.
Seriously, I have no problem with PulseSMS (which does everything that the Apple default messaging apps does) even as I don't bother with the login.
<https://home.pulsesms.app/>
Given PulseSMS already does everything iMessage can do...
*Why would anyone care for RCS*
What would RCS give Android that PulseSMS doesn't already have on Android?
What would RCS give Android that PulseSMS doesn't already have on Android?
Is that PulseSMS installed by factory and works by default?
If the answer is "no", then that's why we care for RCS.
What does RCS give us that we would want that PulseSMS doesn't already do?
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
What would RCS give Android that PulseSMS doesn't already have on Android? >>Is that PulseSMS installed by factory and works by default?
If the answer is "no", then that's why we care for RCS.
Hi Carlos,
Even the messages app with RCS isn't always installed by the factory on
every Android since the maker & carrier decide what's installed by default.
Anyway, the question about RCS remains valid even if what you thought was "installed by the factory and works by default" were true for all Androids.
What does RCS give us that we would want that PulseSMS doesn't already do?
Wally J wrote:
What does RCS give us that we would want that PulseSMS doesn't already
do?
I prefer to use the RCS service of my provider which I'm paying for a
bundle of mobile services, rather than rely on a service provided 'free'
by Google/Jibe/Pulse ... how are they making their money now, or in future?
On 2023-09-20 13:57, Andy Burns wrote:
Wally J wrote:
What does RCS give us that we would want that PulseSMS doesn't
already do?
I prefer to use the RCS service of my provider which I'm paying for a
bundle of mobile services, rather than rely on a service provided
'free' by Google/Jibe/Pulse ... how are they making their money now,
or in future?
The thing is, providers till recently refused to implement RCS. Google
pushed their hands by supporting it themselves.
On 2023-09-20 12:56, Wally J wrote:[...]
What does RCS give us that we would want that PulseSMS doesn't already do?
If it runs Android, it has a message application, and google insists it
must support RCS. So yes, any new android phone worthy of the name has
RCS support from day zero, and that is reason enough for me to prefer
that, and not a new shiny app no matter how good it is.
Now, if you ask me, I prefer wasap, which is currently working with connectivity with Telegram and others.
https://www.xataka.com/aplicaciones/whatsapp-se-prepara-para-gran-cambio-se-conectara-telegram-demas-apps-mensajeria
Use automatic translator to read it.
What does RCS give us that we would want that PulseSMS doesn't already do?
I prefer to use the RCS service of my provider which I'm paying for a
bundle of mobile services, rather than rely on a service provided 'free'
by Google/Jibe/Pulse ... how are they making their money now, or in future?
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote
What does RCS give us that we would want that PulseSMS doesn't already do? >>I prefer to use the RCS service of my provider which I'm paying for a
bundle of mobile services, rather than rely on a service provided 'free'
by Google/Jibe/Pulse ... how are they making their money now, or in future?
What do you like about RCS that is specific to what RCS does for you?
As for how PulseSMS makes money, Klinker recently sold it to MapleMedia
<https://home.pulsesms.app/>
So the original developer _already_ made their money we can presume.
Given MapleMedia has ruined other apps - I only use the Klinker last known good version - which doesn't have ads - but the MapleMedia version has ads.
<https://home.pulsesms.app/overview/platform-android.html>
If you tell us what you like about RCS, I can look into the PulseSMS
feature list to see if they have something that matches what you like.
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=xyz.klinker.messenger>
On 9/20/2023 12:53 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-09-20 13:57, Andy Burns wrote:
Wally J wrote:
What does RCS give us that we would want that PulseSMS doesn't
already do?
I prefer to use the RCS service of my provider which I'm paying for a
bundle of mobile services, rather than rely on a service provided
'free' by Google/Jibe/Pulse ... how are they making their money now,
or in future?
The thing is, providers till recently refused to implement RCS. Google
pushed their hands by supporting it themselves.
Pulse SMS was acquired by a media marketing company in 2020. You know
what that means. Avoid it at all costs. See <https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/10/29/it-looks-like-pulse-sms-has-been-bought-by-maple-media-get-ready-for-intrusive-ads/>.
On 2023-09-20 12:56, Wally J wrote:
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
What would RCS give Android that PulseSMS doesn't already have on Android? >>>Is that PulseSMS installed by factory and works by default?
If the answer is "no", then that's why we care for RCS.
Hi Carlos,
Even the messages app with RCS isn't always installed by the factory on
every Android since the maker & carrier decide what's installed by default. >>
Anyway, the question about RCS remains valid even if what you thought was
"installed by the factory and works by default" were true for all Androids. >>
What does RCS give us that we would want that PulseSMS doesn't already do?
If it runs Android, it has a message application, and google insists it
must support RCS. So yes, any new android phone worthy of the name has
RCS support from day zero, and that is reason enough for me to prefer
that, and not a new shiny app no matter how good it is.
Now, if you ask me, I prefer wasap, which is currently working with connectivity with Telegram and others.
https://www.xataka.com/aplicaciones/whatsapp-se-prepara-para-gran-cambio-se-conectara-telegram-demas-apps-mensajeria
Use automatic translator to read it.
What do you like about RCS that is specific to what RCS does for you?
Wally J wrote:
What do you like about RCS that is specific to what RCS does for you?
Lets me do MMS-type things (send photos mainly) without paying for them
(here SMS is essentially free, but MMS are 50p each) and without signing
up for whatever whatsapp/signal/pulse/godknowswhat app my friends may use.
What do you like about RCS that is specific to what RCS does for you?
Lets me do MMS-type things (send photos mainly) without paying for them
(here SMS is essentially free, but MMS are 50p each)
and without signing
up for whatever whatsapp/signal/pulse/godknowswhat app my friends may use.
I concur.
across the pond, most of us get free everything in the monthly fee so we wouldn't distinguish between MMS & SMS
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote
What do you like about RCS that is specific to what RCS does for you?
Lets me do MMS-type things (send photos mainly) without paying for them
(here SMS is essentially free, but MMS are 50p each)
I learned something...
I was NOT expecting a payment-structuring decision to be your main reason.
As you're well aware, across the pond, most of us get free everything in
the monthly fee so we wouldn't distinguish between MMS & SMS for example.
and without signing
up for whatever whatsapp/signal/pulse/godknowswhat app my friends may use.
Since any discussion of messaging & RCS inevitably brings the Apple folks into the fray, bear in mind Apple owners are _always_ signed into the mothership - which they don't realize is how they get features they love.
When Android owners drop to their level of signing up for something as
simple as messaging (e.g., with PulseSMS) they too get what Apple has.
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
I concur.
Thank you for clarifying why RCS is important to those across the pond.
No wonder I was confused because I already have what you want, so I didn't understand how RCS can get you anything that we don't already have.
With those observations being brought up, are these your main RCS reasons?
1. You do not have to sign into any mothership account,
2. In order to get free MMS (mainly pictures).
Is that correct yet?
If not, how would you further clarify your need & use for RCS?
With those observations being brought up, are these your main RCS
reasons? 1. You do not have to sign into any mothership account,
2. In order to get free MMS (mainly pictures).
On 2023-09-21 16:47, Wally J wrote:
Actually he is wrong. MMS uses data, it is not free. If you're on aAs you're well aware, across the pond, most of us get free everything in
the monthly fee so we wouldn't distinguish between MMS & SMS for example.
Arlen, you have been made aware of the issue since a long time, this is
not news to you.
Andy Burns wrote:
specifically I will not have any Meta account.
Don't go to a bunch of places in Europe. WhatsApp is the default for
calls and messaging, even for iPhone users.
specifically I will not have any Meta account.
Actually he is wrong. MMS uses data, it is not free.
If you're on a
limited data plan, or a per MB plan, you can spend a lot sending images.
SMS does not use data, and is usually included in most plans, even
MVNOs, though there are still some plans that charge per SMS, and some
with only a small number of SMS included.
With iMessage or WhatsApp, data is used, but it's a minuscule amount if
it's only text, and both can use Wi-Fi data.
It's nice that some
entities don't charge you for data usage on iMessage and WhatsApp, like Southwest Airlines Wi-Fi. You can't send an SMS on an airplane without cellular network access unless you have internet access and use
something like Google Voice or another SMS web portal. There are many
such SMS portals, but be cautious about what you use since the free ones
are funded by advertising and data mining.
I like Google Voice when traveling since I can get all my SMS on any
device for my Google Voice number (which is my primary number). On
Android devices you can also install SMS Forwarder to forward your SMS
to another device or to your Google Voice number but be cautious about
doing this since the data is not encrypted and "This app may collect
these data types Personal info, Messages and 3 others." Apple does not
allow such apps in their App Store due to security concerns.
I also use iMessage on my Android devices using AirMessage, since my
son, sister, brother, and most people I know, all use iMessage. This is Cupertino after all! Air Message requires that you set up a Mac as a
server, I bought a used Mac Mini for $100 and it's in my equipment closet.
With those observations being brought up, are these your main RCS
reasons? 1. You do not have to sign into any mothership account,
specifically I will not have any Meta account.
2. In order to get free MMS (mainly pictures).
yes, I doubt I've paid to send more than a dozen MMS ever, now I can RCS them, rather than having to email them.
Unless the recipient has either turned off RCS, or got an iPhone.
On 9/21/2023 10:43 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-09-21 16:47, Wally J wrote:
<snip>
Actually he is wrong. MMS uses data, it is not free. If you're on aAs you're well aware, across the pond, most of us get free everything in >>> the monthly fee so we wouldn't distinguish between MMS & SMS for
example.
Arlen, you have been made aware of the issue since a long time, this
is not news to you.
limited data plan, or a per MB plan, you can spend a lot sending images.
SMS does not use data, and is usually included in most plans, even
MVNOs, though there are still some plans that charge per SMS, and some
with only a small number of SMS included.
With iMessage or WhatsApp, data is used, but it's a minuscule amount if
it's only text, and both can use Wi-Fi data. It's nice that some
entities don't charge you for data usage on iMessage and WhatsApp, like Southwest Airlines Wi-Fi. You can't send an SMS on an airplane without cellular network access unless you have internet access and use
something like Google Voice or another SMS web portal. There are many
such SMS portals, but be cautious about what you use since the free ones
are funded by advertising and data mining.
I like Google Voice when traveling since I can get all my SMS on any
device for my Google Voice number (which is my primary number). On
Android devices you can also install SMS Forwarder to forward your SMS
to another device or to your Google Voice number but be cautious about
doing this since the data is not encrypted and "This app may collect
these data types Personal info, Messages and 3 others." Apple does not
allow such apps in their App Store due to security concerns.
I also use iMessage on my Android devices using AirMessage, since my
son, sister, brother, and most people I know, all use iMessage. This is Cupertino after all! Air Message requires that you set up a Mac as a
server, I bought a used Mac Mini for $100 and it's in my equipment closet.
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote
Actually he is wrong. MMS uses data, it is not free.
You don't say who "he" is, but my plan has unlimited data.
As do almost all T-Mobile post-paid plans in the USA.
If you're on a
limited data plan, or a per MB plan, you can spend a lot sending images.
SMS does not use data, and is usually included in most plans, even
MVNOs, though there are still some plans that charge per SMS, and some
with only a small number of SMS included.
I don't disparage anyone who needs to save money by resorting to an MVNO,
but you are always telling us how complex these cheap MVNO plans are.
With iMessage or WhatsApp, data is used, but it's a minuscule amount if
it's only text, and both can use Wi-Fi data.
PulseSMS has a setting to automatically shrink images before sending them.
Since I don't log into the Apple mothership tracking account on my iPad,
I can't send iMessage so may I ask the experts if iMessage can do that?
Can WhatsApp automatically shrink a photo to a set size like Pulse does?
On 9/21/2023 11:58 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
<snip>
specifically I will not have any Meta account.
Don't go to a bunch of places in Europe. WhatsApp is the default for
calls and messaging, even for iPhone users.
WhatsApp is the workaround to the bizarre "caller pays" system in many European countries that make SMS and cellular calls expensive. Data is
pretty cheap but cellular calls and SMS are expensive.
<https://www.statista.com/statistics/1005178/share-population-using-whatsapp-europe/>.
My T-Mobile plan was limited to 5GB and no international phone calls.
Can WhatsApp automatically shrink a photo to a set size like Pulse does?
Doesn't matter what Pulse can do, it is irrelevant for me. All my
contacts are on Whatsapp, so not going to change.
sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote
Actually he is wrong. MMS uses data, it is not free.
You don't say who "he" is, but my plan has unlimited data.
As do almost all T-Mobile post-paid plans in the USA.
If you're on a
limited data plan, or a per MB plan, you can spend a lot sending images.
SMS does not use data, and is usually included in most plans, even
MVNOs, though there are still some plans that charge per SMS, and some
with only a small number of SMS included.
I don't disparage anyone who needs to save money by resorting to an MVNO,
but you are always telling us how complex these cheap MVNO plans are.
With iMessage or WhatsApp, data is used, but it's a minuscule amount if
it's only text, and both can use Wi-Fi data.
PulseSMS has a setting to automatically shrink images before sending them.
Since I don't log into the Apple mothership tracking account on my iPad,
I can't send iMessage so may I ask the experts if iMessage can do that?
Can WhatsApp automatically shrink a photo to a set size like Pulse does?
It's nice that some
entities don't charge you for data usage on iMessage and WhatsApp, like
Southwest Airlines Wi-Fi. You can't send an SMS on an airplane without
cellular network access unless you have internet access and use
something like Google Voice or another SMS web portal. There are many
such SMS portals, but be cautious about what you use since the free ones
are funded by advertising and data mining.
One huge privacy advantage of iOS over Android is that you can log into a Google Voice app on iOS and it will not create an account - unlike Android!
I like Google Voice when traveling since I can get all my SMS on any
device for my Google Voice number (which is my primary number). On
Android devices you can also install SMS Forwarder to forward your SMS
to another device or to your Google Voice number but be cautious about
doing this since the data is not encrypted and "This app may collect
these data types Personal info, Messages and 3 others." Apple does not
allow such apps in their App Store due to security concerns.
*iCloud backups are NOT encrypted* by JF Mezei (January 2020)
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/-EA9TYUeVhk/>
"You can also make a backup in iCloud, which automatically encrypts your information every time.
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
My T-Mobile plan was limited to 5GB and no international phone calls.
When Steve says someone is "wrong", it means he is shilling for Verizon.
Stve is unaware most people on post-paid USA plans were upgraded to
unlimited everything (roaming, data, calls, sms & mms) about 2-1/2 years
ago when T-Mobile merged with another company and "simplified" the plans.
We have to pay something like twenty five cents a minute though for international calls - but my plan (which is called "Simple Global") allows
me to have unlimited roaming, data, sms & mms while in most European countries (as I frequently travel to Germany to visit my relatives).
Can WhatsApp automatically shrink a photo to a set size like Pulse does?
Doesn't matter what Pulse can do, it is irrelevant for me. All my
contacts are on Whatsapp, so not going to change.
I don't think you understand in the least why PulseSMS matters, Carlos.
From a purely technical standpoint, PulseSMS matters to RCS & iMessage.
And both RCS & iMessage matter for the topic of this thread.
You don't understand that - but I do.
So you can't say PulseSMS doesn't matter to the concept of this thread.
All you can say is that you don't understand _why_ PulseSMS matters.
For the _technical_ purpose of this thread, PulseSMS matters because...
a. PulseSMS does everything RCS does (AFAIK) - but that's why I asked.
b. PulseSMS does everything iMessage does (AFAIK) - again why I asked.
On 2023-09-21 19:25, sms wrote:
On 9/21/2023 11:58 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
<snip>
specifically I will not have any Meta account.
Don't go to a bunch of places in Europe. WhatsApp is the default for
calls and messaging, even for iPhone users.
WhatsApp is the workaround to the bizarre "caller pays" system in many
European countries that make SMS and cellular calls expensive. Data is
pretty cheap but cellular calls and SMS are expensive.
Huh, no, phone calls and SMS are essentially free for us, depending on
the plan. And the roaming price is capped. I have forgotten the details,
but I think it is cheap.
For the _technical_ purpose of this thread, PulseSMS matters because...
a. PulseSMS does everything RCS does (AFAIK) - but that's why I asked.
Are you saying that Pulse replaces the default messaging application,
sending and receiving SMS, MMS, and RCS?
b. PulseSMS does everything iMessage does (AFAIK) - again why I asked.
Also on iphones, despite Apple refusing to support RCS?
I'm asking what people "need" from RCS that PulseSMS does not already have.
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
For the _technical_ purpose of this thread, PulseSMS matters because...Are you saying that Pulse replaces the default messaging application,
a. PulseSMS does everything RCS does (AFAIK) - but that's why I asked. >>
sending and receiving SMS, MMS, and RCS?
I'm asking what people "need" from RCS that PulseSMS does not already have.
<https://support.pulsesms.app/hc/en-us/articles/14479737498651-Pulse-SMS-Premium-Features>
b. PulseSMS does everything iMessage does (AFAIK) - again why I asked. >>Also on iphones, despite Apple refusing to support RCS?
Remember, on the iPhone the ignorant iKooks don't cognate that they're
always logged in, where messages on the iPhone requires Apple tracking them by that always-on login which Android messaging apps do NOT need to work.
However...
If we discuss a one-to-one comparison of the _features_ that the ignorant iKooks love about the messaging app - such as being able to message on any platform and the encryption and cloud services - then (and only then) the Android user would _also_ need to log into a PulseSMS account.
Just like the iKooks do every day... <https://pulsesms.app/login>
On 9/21/2023 11:58 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
<snip>
specifically I will not have any Meta account.
Don't go to a bunch of places in Europe. WhatsApp is the default for
calls and messaging, even for iPhone users.
WhatsApp is the workaround to the bizarre "caller pays" system in many European countries that make SMS and cellular calls expensive. Data is
pretty cheap but cellular calls and SMS are expensive.
<https://www.statista.com/statistics/1005178/share-population-using-whatsapp-europe/>.
Ah, right, wasap and similars can be used if you only have wifi, like in
a plane. I flew very recently, that service was not available.
On 9/21/2023 2:33 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-09-21 19:25, sms wrote:
On 9/21/2023 11:58 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
<snip>
specifically I will not have any Meta account.
Don't go to a bunch of places in Europe. WhatsApp is the default for
calls and messaging, even for iPhone users.
WhatsApp is the workaround to the bizarre "caller pays" system in many
European countries that make SMS and cellular calls expensive. Data is
pretty cheap but cellular calls and SMS are expensive.
Huh, no, phone calls and SMS are essentially free for us, depending on
the plan. And the roaming price is capped. I have forgotten the details, but I think it is cheap.
I see that things changed in 2022 when the EU implemented new limits <https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/faqs/calling-and-texting-other-eu-countries-questions-answers>.
Last time I was in Europe, pre-pandemic, the prepaid cards were limiting
the number of outgoing voice minutes and outgoing SMS but data was very cheap. I assumed it was because of the cost to the provided due to
"caller pays."
sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
Last time I was in Europe, pre-pandemic, the prepaid cards were limiting
the number of outgoing voice minutes and outgoing SMS but data was very
cheap. I assumed it was because of the cost to the provided due to
"caller pays."
You assumed incorrectly. As I said in another response, (the misnomer) "caller pays" doesn't exist anymore since a long, long time, probably
well over a decade.
The prepaid cards were probably limited in voice minutes and SMS
messages, because these days, 'nobody' - especially not the younger -
calls or sends SMS messages, everything is done via the Internet, i.e.
also WhatsApp.
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Ah, right, wasap and similars can be used if you only have wifi, like in
a plane. I flew very recently, that service was not available.
Which airline did you fly with?
My experience is that many full service airlines offer free messaging
over WiFi, especially on intercontinental flights (Your trip was to
Canada, wasn't it?). I/we had it on Delta, United, KLM and Singapore Airlines.
Using WhatsApp in the plane is very nice to keep The Folks up to date.
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
For the _technical_ purpose of this thread, PulseSMS matters because...Are you saying that Pulse replaces the default messaging application,
a. PulseSMS does everything RCS does (AFAIK) - but that's why I asked. >>
sending and receiving SMS, MMS, and RCS?
I'm asking what people "need" from RCS that PulseSMS does not already have.
<https://support.pulsesms.app/hc/en-us/articles/14479737498651-Pulse-SMS-Premium-Features>
b. PulseSMS does everything iMessage does (AFAIK) - again why I asked. >>Also on iphones, despite Apple refusing to support RCS?
Remember, on the iPhone the ignorant iKooks don't cognate that they're
always logged in, where messages on the iPhone requires Apple tracking them by that always-on login which Android messaging apps do NOT need to work.
On 22/9/2023, Alan wrote:
"You can also make a backup in iCloud, which automatically encrypts
your information every time.
Apple has the encryption key. So it's not encrypted after all.
Wally J wrote:
I'm asking what people "need" from RCS that PulseSMS does not already
have.
If PulseSMS "needs" me to convince my friends to install it, that's an obstacle compared to RCS. For most users (excluding those who have specifically disabled it) then Google have blanket enabled RCS.
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Ah, right, wasap and similars can be used if you only have wifi, like in
a plane. I flew very recently, that service was not available.
Which airline did you fly with?
My experience is that many full service airlines offer free messaging
over WiFi, especially on intercontinental flights (Your trip was to
Canada, wasn't it?). I/we had it on Delta, United, KLM and Singapore Airlines.
Using WhatsApp in the plane is very nice to keep The Folks up to date.
On 2023-09-22 19:15, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Ah, right, wasap and similars can be used if you only have wifi, like in >>> a plane. I flew very recently, that service was not available.
Which airline did you fly with?
Air Transat.
You are not answering. Thus I take that the answer to my question is
"no", and thus Pulse has nothing to offer to me.
I'm asking what people "need" from RCS that PulseSMS does not already have.
If PulseSMS "needs" me to convince my friends to install it, that's an obstacle compared to RCS. For most users (excluding those who have specifically disabled it) then Google have blanket enabled RCS.
Bla bla bla.
I'm asking what people "need" from RCS that PulseSMS does not already
have.
If PulseSMS "needs" me to convince my friends to install it, that's an
obstacle compared to RCS. For most users (excluding those who have
specifically disabled it) then Google have blanket enabled RCS.
Avoid Pulse SMS at all costs. See <https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/10/29/it-looks-like-pulse-sms-has-been-bought-by-maple-media-get-ready-for-intrusive-ads/
Avoid Pulse SMS at all costs. See <https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/10/29/it-looks-like-pulse-sms-has-been-bought-by-maple-media-get-ready-for-intrusive-ads/>
sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote
Avoid Pulse SMS at all costs. See
<https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/10/29/it-looks-like-pulse-sms-has-been-bought-by-maple-media-get-ready-for-intrusive-ads/>
Jesus Christ.
*Steve is an ignorant idiot* _Steve isn't capable of learning anything_
<https://i.postimg.cc/Qd21dwVw/pulsesms01.jpg> PulseSMS was the best
<https://i.postimg.cc/3RdsFtgX/pulsesms02.jpg> Klinker sold to MapleMedia
<https://i.postimg.cc/1tjcm7KJ/pulsesms03.jpg> 5.4.6.2816 good version
<https://i.postimg.cc/nL8052Vj/pulsesms04.jpg> Pulse Sets Max Image Size
<https://i.postimg.cc/ZR4jYqdJ/pulsesms05.jpg> 2019 is last good version
We covered this in detail umpteen times in its own threads on the Android newsgroup where the only thing you need to do is use the last known good version of PulseSMS (which is the version that I'm using as my default).
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/search?q=pulsesms%20last%20known%20good%20version>
Steve's brain is like that of an iKook - frozen in time - unable to learn.
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/OO-0G-_1qeU/m/KCTW97KUBAAJ>
Part of the whole point of using Android is you can load any app you want! From anywhere you want.
It's no longer shocking how incapable of learning people like Steve are.
He's like the iKooks - who latch onto stale old data - frozen in time.
sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote
I'm asking what people "need" from RCS that PulseSMS does not already
have.
If PulseSMS "needs" me to convince my friends to install it, that's an
obstacle compared to RCS. For most users (excluding those who have
specifically disabled it) then Google have blanket enabled RCS.
Avoid Pulse SMS at all costs. See
<https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/10/29/it-looks-like-pulse-sms-has-been-bought-by-maple-media-get-ready-for-intrusive-ads/
Jesus Christ.
*Steve is an ignorant idiot* _Steve isn't capable of learning anything_
<https://i.postimg.cc/Qd21dwVw/pulsesms01.jpg> PulseSMS was the best
<https://i.postimg.cc/3RdsFtgX/pulsesms02.jpg> Klinker sold to MapleMedia
<https://i.postimg.cc/1tjcm7KJ/pulsesms03.jpg> 5.4.6.2816 good version
<https://i.postimg.cc/nL8052Vj/pulsesms04.jpg> Pulse Sets Max Image Size
<https://i.postimg.cc/ZR4jYqdJ/pulsesms05.jpg> 2019 is last good version
We covered this in detail umpteen times in its own threads on the Android newsgroup where the only thing you need to do is use the last known good version of PulseSMS (which is the version that I'm using as my default).
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/search?q=pulsesms%20last%20known%20good%20version>
Steve's brain is like that of an iKook - frozen in time - unable to learn.
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/OO-0G-_1qeU/m/KCTW97KUBAAJ>
Part of the whole point of using Android is you can load any app you want! From anywhere you want.
It's no longer shocking how incapable of learning people like Steve are.
He's like the iKooks - who latch onto stale old data - frozen in time.
Apple only uses the keys when you request to recover your account
<https://www.statista.com/statistics/1005178/share-population-using-whatsapp-europe/>.
Please stop posting long, long obsolete urban legends/FUD!
On 22/9/2023, Jolly Roger wrote:
Apple only uses the keys when you request to recover your account
You proved the point that if Apple can decrypt them, they're not encrypted.
People like you think hiding the house keys under the doormat protects you.
The fact Apple can, and does decrypt your data to hand to anyone who asks
for it means that your data is like your house key "hidden" under the mat.
People like you think hiding the house keys under the doormat protects
you.
If it were that simplistic, you'd be on to something. But it's more
like, even if you found that key it would not operate the lock. Because that key needs to be converted first with the appropriate decryption.
And then you would also need to determine the salt.
Southwest supports iMessage and WhatsApp for free.
On 22/9/2023, Jolly Roger wrote:
Apple only uses the keys when you request to recover your account
You proved the point that if Apple can decrypt them, they're not
encrypted.
PulseSMS is the same as the Google Messages app - but vastly better. ...
As such... PulseSMS works just fine as the default Android messaging
app. In other words, to allay your concerns, I'll emphatically state... PulseSMS does NOT need you to "convince your friends" to do anything
It's just another messaging app - only much better than anything else.
(As far as I'm aware as I've tested all the free messaging apps.)
On 2023-09-22 16:49, Alan Browne wrote:
People like you think hiding the house keys under the doormat
protects you.
If it were that simplistic, you'd be on to something. But it's more
like, even if you found that key it would not operate the lock.
Because that key needs to be converted first with the appropriate
decryption. And then you would also need to determine the salt.
It's actually like you live in an apartment building with a landlord who
has a copy of your key kept in a safe locked with a different key.
So, yeah: exactly nothing like Arlen's description.
On 9/22/23 16:54, sms wrote:
Southwest supports iMessage and WhatsApp for free.
Is that new? I don't remember that last time I flew SW.
Wally J wrote:
PulseSMS is the same as the Google Messages app - but vastly better.
... As such... PulseSMS works just fine as the default Android
messaging app. In other words, to allay your concerns, I'll
emphatically state... PulseSMS does NOT need you to "convince your
friends" to do anything It's just another messaging app - only much
better than anything else. (As far as I'm aware as I've tested all the
free messaging apps.)
So does it allow me to do anything that Google Messages (with RCS
disabled) can't already do, e.g. send photos without paying MMS charges?
On 2023-09-22 21:02, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-22 16:49, Alan Browne wrote:
People like you think hiding the house keys under the doormat
protects you.
If it were that simplistic, you'd be on to something. But it's more
like, even if you found that key it would not operate the lock.
Because that key needs to be converted first with the appropriate
decryption. And then you would also need to determine the salt.
It's actually like you live in an apartment building with a landlord
who has a copy of your key kept in a safe locked with a different key.
So, yeah: exactly nothing like Arlen's description.
Is it ever?
MMS charges are for data.
You can't send MMS without mobile data or Wi-Fi.
PulseSMS is the same as the Google Messages app - but vastly better. ...
As such... PulseSMS works just fine as the default Android messaging
app. In other words, to allay your concerns, I'll emphatically state...
PulseSMS does NOT need you to "convince your friends" to do anything
It's just another messaging app - only much better than anything else.
(As far as I'm aware as I've tested all the free messaging apps.)
So does it allow me to do anything that Google Messages (with RCS
disabled) can't already do, e.g. send photos without paying MMS charges?
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote
PulseSMS is the same as the Google Messages app - but vastly better. ... >>> As such... PulseSMS works just fine as the default Android messaging
app. In other words, to allay your concerns, I'll emphatically state...
PulseSMS does NOT need you to "convince your friends" to do anything
It's just another messaging app - only much better than anything else.
(As far as I'm aware as I've tested all the free messaging apps.)
So does it allow me to do anything that Google Messages (with RCS
disabled) can't already do, e.g. send photos without paying MMS charges?
I was asking _you_ that question! :)
Bear in mind, there are TWO MODES for PulseSMS (as far as I can tell)...
a. One uses SMS/MMS protocols
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=xyz.klinker.messenger>
b. The other uses the Internet data connection (not MMS protocol)
<https://home.pulsesms.app/overview/>
I use only the SMS/MMS protocol half of PulseSMS (because the Internet half requires an account on the PulseSMS mothership server - that's why).
<https://pulsesms.app/login>
For MMS/SMS, long ago I had extremely thoroughly tested _every_ free ad
free messaging app on Android - and at that time (about three phones ago) I settled on PulseSMS by Klinker - which as been my default ever since.
<https://youtu.be/ohGXwX6zKow>
I love it.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoTmjoTJBLo>
It does everything I want - for free without ads and without an account.
<https://duckduckgo.com/?hps=1&q=pulsesms&iax=videos&ia=videos>
However.... Klinker sold to Maple Media (which we have a long history
with). Maple Media monetizes the crap out of the software they snatch up.
<https://support.pulsesms.app/hc/en-us/articles/14479737498651-Pulse-SMS-Premium-Features>
But get this... the last known good version of PulseSMS works fine on my Android phones - which I have upgraded from Android 11 to 13 sans issues.
I wrote about Klinker selling out to Maple Media long ago also, so each
time Steve posts his garbage he just proves to be ignorant that you can sideload the last known good version of Pulse SMS (free of Maple Media).
As a side note, it no longer shocks me that Steve only reads his own posts
so he proves incapable of learning - which is a trait inherent in iKooks.
Now... to your question... my answer to you (at this moment) is...
*I do not know if it does what _you_ want it to do*
Why not?
Because the way I use it (sans a mothership account!), it's just a default messaging app. Like every other messaging app that you set to the default.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypAcAMp2B0Q>
Sure, it's powerful - for example, if you create an account (I don't), you can do all the neat things that the iMessages app does (because it too creates an account - where all that magic is done over the Internet).
<https://support.pulsesms.app/hc/en-us/articles/13872381091355-Pulse-SMS-Account>
So the question becomes whether or not the Internet account on the Pulse
SMS servers allows you to NOT PAY for MMS messages.
I do not know the answer to that question.
Do you?
--
The reason I asked the Android group what RCS does that PulseSMS (with an account) doesn't do is the same reason I asked the iPhone group what
iMessage does that PulseSMS doesn't do - which is to find out the answer.
I know that there are people that hate Meta with irrational passion. But
the reality is that WhatsApp is secure and private and is widely used
all over the world.
Not sure why our favorite troll is promoting Pulse SMS so much.
On 9/23/2023 1:50 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
Wally J wrote:
PulseSMS is the same as the Google Messages app - but vastly better.
... As such... PulseSMS works just fine as the default Android
messaging app. In other words, to allay your concerns, I'll
emphatically state... PulseSMS does NOT need you to "convince your
friends" to do anything It's just another messaging app - only much
better than anything else. (As far as I'm aware as I've tested all the
free messaging apps.)
So does it allow me to do anything that Google Messages (with RCS
disabled) can't already do, e.g. send photos without paying MMS charges?
MMS charges are for data. You can't send MMS without mobile data or Wi-Fi.
I know that there are people that hate Meta with irrational passion. But
the reality is that WhatsApp is secure and private and is widely used
all over the world.
sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote
Not sure why our favorite troll is promoting Pulse SMS so much.
I do not know whether the Internet part of PulseSMS overrides MMS costs.
Does Steve?
With that question being paramount - allow me to respond to Steve's troll.
I tested all the free ad free SMS/MMS messengers long ago, and settled on a clear winner of PulseSMS well before Klinker sold out to Maple Media and I have been using that last known good version of PulseSMS over three phones.
From Android 7 to Android 9 to Andriod 11, then 12, and now Android 13.
*The last known good version of PulseSMS works fine on all of them!*
The fact is Steve is completely ignorant that Pulse SMS is free, and that there are no ads and that there is no need for an account and that PulseSMS is (based on my extensive tests), the best SMS/MMS app on Android.
Like the iKooks are, Steve is ignorant of the basic facts involved here.
Steve is many years behind in the news in that it's trivial to sideload
Pulse SMS (where it's not surprising Steve has never heard of sideloading).
Now... if you want the features of iMessage that PulseSMS provides, I do
not use those features - which is exactly why I asked these two questions.
On the Apple newsgroup, I asked:
Q: What does iMessage do that Pulse SMS does not already do?
On the Android newsgroup, I asked:
Q: What does RCS do that Pulse SMS does not already do?
So far, the answers to those two salient questions have been...
a. On the Apple newsgroup, they can't find _anything_ iMessage does
that Pulse SMS doesn't already do...
b. On the Android newsgroup, there are utter morons who say it's not
the default - but that's a childishly inane reason so I discount it.
c. On the Android newsgroup, Andy Burns, who is well respected, asks if
the Internet capability of Pulse SMS can override his MMS charges.
I'm never afraid to ask a question when I don't know the answer to it.
And, I'm never afraid to admit that I don't know the answer either.
That's why I asked the questions.
I do not know whether the Internet part of PulseSMS overrides MMS costs.
Does Steve?
Here, here! There, there! :-) Some people equate WhatsApp to Meta. But 'even' now WhatsApp is part of Meta, it still is not only secure, but
also private, despite what the opponents say (read: 'think').
Case in point: If you have (probably had) a 'dumb'/'feature' phone
without Internet capability (or a smartphone without it), you can send/receive MMS, but your plan has no mention of mobile data.
I know that there are people that hate Meta with irrational passion. But
the reality is that WhatsApp is secure and private and is widely used
all over the world.
Here, here! There, there! :-) Some people equate WhatsApp to Meta. But 'even' now WhatsApp is part of Meta, it still is not only secure, but
also private, despite what the opponents say (read: 'think').
Their 'reasoning' is "Meta is evil. WhatsApp is part of Meta, so
WhatsApp must be evil as well." and later they further distort the
latter part to "so WhatsApp is evil as well."
The opponents have been proven wrong several times by facts, tests and
- last but not least - WhatsApp's legal documents, but that didn't
change their conspiracy theories.
Bottom line: Yes, I/we use WhatsApp without any security/privacy
issues whatsoever. And no, I do *not* have a Facebook or Instagram or <whatever> account.
It's a good question whether the internet solves the mms payment problem. Maybe sms knows the answer to that question?
If you use the non-free web interface for Pulse SMS then your carrier
could not charge you. Not sure what phone number shows up as the SMS/MMS originating from when you use the web app. With Google Voice it's your
Google Voice number.
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
Bla bla bla.
Carlos,
*You do not belong on the Android newsgroup...*
It's clear you own the mental capacity of a five year old from what you
write saying "bla bla bla" to a simple technical question about RCS.
On 9/22/2023 1:38 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-09-22 19:15, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Ah, right, wasap and similars can be used if you only have wifi,
like in
a plane. I flew very recently, that service was not available.
Which airline did you fly with?
Air Transat.
There is Wi-Fi for entertainment, iMessage, and WhatsApp and there is
Wi-Fi for Internet access. The former is often free on airlines. The
latter is usually not free.
On 9/23/2023 1:52 PM, Peter wrote:
<snip>
It's a good question whether the internet solves the mms payment problem.
Maybe sms knows the answer to that question?
The PulseSMS Android app is just a replacement for the stock SMS/MMS app
and the SMS/MMS are still going through your carrier. So you'd still be charged if your carrier chargers per message.
On 9/23/2023 2:27 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
<snip>
Case in point: If you have (probably had) a 'dumb'/'feature' phone
without Internet capability (or a smartphone without it), you can
send/receive MMS, but your plan has no mention of mobile data.
Yes, I recall that. But I don't recall if the carrier was charging extra
for MMS back then.
I know that there are people that hate Meta with irrational passion. But >>> the reality is that WhatsApp is secure and private and is widely used
all over the world.
Here, here! There, there! :-) Some people equate WhatsApp to Meta. But >> 'even' now WhatsApp is part of Meta, it still is not only secure, but
also private, despite what the opponents say (read: 'think').
Their 'reasoning' is "Meta is evil. WhatsApp is part of Meta, so
WhatsApp must be evil as well." and later they further distort the
latter part to "so WhatsApp is evil as well."
The opponents have been proven wrong several times by facts, tests and >> - last but not least - WhatsApp's legal documents, but that didn't
change their conspiracy theories.
Bottom line: Yes, I/we use WhatsApp without any security/privacy
issues whatsoever. And no, I do *not* have a Facebook or Instagram or
<whatever> account.
Whatever. You're never going to get them to accept that fact.
On 23 Sep 2023 at 4:20:01 PM, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
I know that there are people that hate Meta with irrational passion. But
the reality is that WhatsApp is secure and private and is widely used
all over the world.
The apple encryption is not safe
because apple decrypts messages whenever they're legally asked to
decrypt your messages.
Is meta the same as apple?
On 23 Sep 2023 at 4:20:01 PM, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
I know that there are people that hate Meta with irrational passion. But
the reality is that WhatsApp is secure and private and is widely used
all over the world.
The apple encryption is not safe because apple decrypts messages whenever they're legally asked to decrypt your messages.
If it runs Android, it has a message application, and google insists it
must support RCS. So yes, any new android phone worthy of the name has
RCS support from day zero, and that is reason enough for me to prefer
that, and not a new shiny app no matter how good it is.
Theo wrote:
I know theoretically carriers can do RCS not just via Google's server,
but is it actually feasible to do that today?
I'm with O₂ and Google Messages states
"RCS is provided by your mobile operator"
In comp.mobile.android Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
If it runs Android, it has a message application, and google insists it
must support RCS. So yes, any new android phone worthy of the name has
RCS support from day zero, and that is reason enough for me to prefer
that, and not a new shiny app no matter how good it is.
Is there a third party app that does RCS on Android? Google have
implemented it in Google Messages, but this seems to be an equivalent lockin to the Google ecosystem (Play Services, etc) as iMessage is on iOS.
RCS is supposedly open, but does anyone implement it who a) isn't Google or b) isn't running on Android with Google services?
I know theoretically carriers can do RCS not just via Google's server, but
is it actually feasible to do that today?
I know theoretically carriers can do RCS not just via Google's server,
but is it actually feasible to do that today?
On 23 Sep 2023 at 4:20:01 PM, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
I know that there are people that hate Meta with irrational passion. But
the reality is that WhatsApp is secure and private and is widely used
all over the world.
The apple encryption is not safe because apple decrypts messages whenever they're legally asked to decrypt your messages. Is meta the same as apple?
Can meta decrypt your whatsapp messages like apple can your icloud backups?
And it will not use RCS if available?
Then it presents no advantage to me.
However.... Klinker sold to Maple Media (which we have a long history
with). Maple Media monetizes the crap out of the software they snatch up.
<https://support.pulsesms.app/hc/en-us/articles/14479737498651-Pulse-SMS-Premium-Features>
But get this... the last known good version of PulseSMS works fine on my Android phones - which I have upgraded from Android 11 to 13 sans issues.
On 9/22/2023 9:23 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 9/22/23 16:54, sms wrote:
Southwest supports iMessage and WhatsApp for free.
Is that new? I don't remember that last time I flew SW.
I flew on SWA two weeks ago and they had it. I don't know when it began,
but one article from 2021 mentions it, see <https://familiestravelfree.com/southwest-airlines-text-messaging>.
It's only for iMessage and WhatsApp. You can't do SMS of course since
that would require full Internet access and "Wi-Fi Calling" (which you
can purchase).
On 9/23/23 13:47, Wally J wrote:
However.... Klinker sold to Maple Media (which we have a long history with). Maple Media monetizes the crap out of the software they snatch up.
<https://support.pulsesms.app/hc/en-us/articles/14479737498651-Pulse-SMS-Premium-Features>
But get this... the last known good version of PulseSMS works fine on my Android phones - which I have upgraded from Android 11 to 13 sans issues.
Is it still possible to download the older version?
think 'Wally J' (aka 'Arlen Holder')OH that's why they're calling you Arlen ok I was confused about that
On 9/24/23 13:24, Frank Slootweg wrote:
think 'Wally J' (aka 'Arlen Holder')OH that's why they're calling you Arlen ok I was confused about that
A company incorporated in the United States of America that is
beholden to the laws of the same nation will, upon presentation of a
duly executed warrant from the judicial branch, furnish that information
in accordance with the court order executed per the laws of said nation?
If you use the non-free web interface for Pulse SMS then your carrier
could not charge you. Not sure what phone number shows up as the SMS/MMS originating from when you use the web app. With Google Voice it's your
Google Voice number.
The PulseSMS Android app is just a replacement for the stock SMS/MMS app
and the SMS/MMS are still going through your carrier. So you'd still be
charged if your carrier chargers per message.
And it will not use RCS if available?
Then it presents no advantage to me.
LOL, he has so many aliases, to bypass people's filters, that you'd be hard-pressed to keep track!
What do you like about RCS that is specific to what RCS does for you?
Lets me do MMS-type things (send photos mainly) without paying for them
(here SMS is essentially free, but MMS are 50p each) and without signing
up for whatever whatsapp/signal/pulse/godknowswhat app my friends may use.
On 9/24/2023 1:24 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
<snip>
I don't what "the last known good version of PulseSMS" is (I don't
think 'Wally J' (aka 'Arlen Holder') bothered to mention version
numbers), but apkpure.com has PulseSMS versions as 'old' as 5.5.2.2849
of (supposedly) Jul 16, 2021.
Maple Media purchased Pulse SMS back in 2020 so the version you mention
is too late.
See <https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/10/29/it-looks-like-pulse-sms-has-been-bought-by-maple-media-get-ready-for-intrusive-ads/>.
It's best to just avoid Pulse SMS. Just too risky.
Cross-platform message integration and consolidation is appealing as
long as it supports all the popular messaging systems and works on all popular platforms. Beeper is actually still free though they have said
that a paid version will be coming sometime in 2023.
Beeper (iOS, Android, Mac, Windows, Linux, Chrome OS) (all free)
------
Facebook Messenger
Twitter (X)
iMessage
SMS
MMS
Telegram
Signal
RCS
Pulse SMS (Android (free), Mac, Windows (paid))
---------
SMS
MMS
I don't what "the last known good version of PulseSMS" is (I don't
think 'Wally J' (aka 'Arlen Holder') bothered to mention version
numbers), but apkpure.com has PulseSMS versions as 'old' as 5.5.2.2849
of (supposedly) Jul 16, 2021.
On 9/24/23 13:24, Frank Slootweg wrote:
think 'Wally J' (aka 'Arlen Holder')OH that's why they're calling you Arlen ok I was confused about that
OH that's why they're calling him Arlen ok I was confused about that^^^
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
On 9/24/23 13:24, Frank Slootweg wrote:
think 'Wally J' (aka 'Arlen Holder')OH that's why they're calling you Arlen ok I was confused about that
As you use my name in your attribution line, you probably meant:
OH that's why they're calling him Arlen ok I was confused about that^^^
Upto now, he has used some 80 nyms. He used the 'Arlen Holder' one for
a relativily long time, so that's why we (YTIW) call him 'Arlen'.
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
On 9/24/23 13:24, Frank Slootweg wrote:
think 'Wally J' (aka 'Arlen Holder')OH that's why they're calling you Arlen ok I was confused about that
As you use my name in your attribution line, you probably meant:
OH that's why they're calling him Arlen ok I was confused about that^^^
Upto now, he has used some 80 nyms. He used the 'Arlen Holder' one for
a relativily long time, so that's why we (YTIW) call him 'Arlen'.
It's kind of sad since occasionally he was able to provide some helpful advice and about ¼ of his posts were accurate. If he changed his
attitude, and was more careful about researching subjects before posting
then he could be an asset to these groups.
On 2023-09-25 10:43, sms wrote:
It's kind of sad since occasionally he was able to provide some helpful advice and about of his posts were accurate. If he changed his
attitude, and was more careful about researching subjects before posting then he could be an asset to these groups.
In your case that would work out to about 1/12th of your posts.
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
On 9/24/23 13:24, Frank Slootweg wrote:
think 'Wally J' (aka 'Arlen Holder')OH that's why they're calling you Arlen ok I was confused about that
As you use my name in your attribution line, you probably meant:
OH that's why they're calling him Arlen ok I was confused about that^^^
Upto now, he has used some 80 nyms. He used the 'Arlen Holder' one for
a relativily long time, so that's why we (YTIW) call him 'Arlen'.
On 2023-09-24 13:23, Andy Burns wrote:
Theo wrote:
I know theoretically carriers can do RCS not just via Google's server,
but is it actually feasible to do that today?
I'm with O₂ and Google Messages states
"RCS is provided by your mobile operator"
Right, I see the same (Using Movistar).
I know theoretically carriers can do RCS not just via Google's server,
but is it actually feasible to do that today?
I'm with O₂ and Google Messages states
"RCS is provided by your mobile operator"
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
I'm with O₂ and Google Messages states
"RCS is provided by your mobile operator"
Right, I see the same (Using Movistar).
Do you get end to end encryption of group chats? I though that was
something proprietary that Google ran over the top of RCS. Can you actually tell if the chat is encrypted or not?
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
The PulseSMS Android app is just a replacement for the stock SMS/MMS app >>> and the SMS/MMS are still going through your carrier. So you'd still be
charged if your carrier chargers per message.
And it will not use RCS if available?
Then it presents no advantage to me.
It's hard to tell, with Carlos, whether he owns the intelligence necessary
to comprehend what Steve said, which was there are two options with Pulse.
On 9/24/23 13:24, Frank Slootweg wrote:
think 'Wally J' (aka 'Arlen Holder')OH that's why they're calling you Arlen ok I was confused about that
On 2023-09-25 03:14, Wally J wrote:
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
The PulseSMS Android app is just a replacement for the stock SMS/MMS
app
and the SMS/MMS are still going through your carrier. So you'd still be >>>> charged if your carrier chargers per message.
And it will not use RCS if available?
Then it presents no advantage to me.
It's hard to tell, with Carlos, whether he owns the intelligence
necessary
to comprehend what Steve said, which was there are two options with
Pulse.
Again insulting, you don't have anything valid to say.
Yet when one agrees with him, I am a noteworthy individual.
On 2023-09-25 09:58, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-09-25 03:14, Wally J wrote:
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
The PulseSMS Android app is just a replacement for the stock
SMS/MMS app
and the SMS/MMS are still going through your carrier. So you'd
still be
charged if your carrier chargers per message.
And it will not use RCS if available?
Then it presents no advantage to me.
It's hard to tell, with Carlos, whether he owns the intelligence
necessary
to comprehend what Steve said, which was there are two options with
Pulse.
Again insulting, you don't have anything valid to say.
Yet when one agrees with him, I am a noteworthy individual.
I'm amazed it takes anyone more than 5 minutes to notice this about him.
On 9/25/2023 9:13 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
On 9/24/23 13:24, Frank Slootweg wrote:
think 'Wally J' (aka 'Arlen Holder')OH that's why they're calling you Arlen ok I was confused about that
As you use my name in your attribution line, you probably meant:
OH that's why they're calling him Arlen ok I was confused about that^^^
Upto now, he has used some 80 nyms. He used the 'Arlen Holder' one for >> a relativily long time, so that's why we (YTIW) call him 'Arlen'.
It's kind of sad since occasionally he was able to provide some helpful advice and about ¼ of his posts were accurate. If he changed his
attitude, and was more careful about researching subjects before posting
then he could be an asset to these groups.
Upto now, he has used some 80 nyms. He used the 'Arlen Holder' one for
a relativily long time, so that's why we (YTIW) call him 'Arlen'.
Makes sense.
It's kind of sad since occasionally he was able to provide some helpful advice and about of his posts were accurate. If he changed his
attitude, and was more careful about researching subjects before posting
then he could be an asset to these groups.
Yeah, some of his posts are interesting. He spoils them with his
tantrums and manias.
But get this... the last known good version of PulseSMS works fine on my
Android phones - which I have upgraded from Android 11 to 13 sans issues.
Is it still possible to download the older version?
In comp.mobile.android Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-09-24 13:23, Andy Burns wrote:
Theo wrote:
I know theoretically carriers can do RCS not just via Google's server, >>>> but is it actually feasible to do that today?
I'm with O₂ and Google Messages states
"RCS is provided by your mobile operator"
Right, I see the same (Using Movistar).
Do you get end to end encryption of group chats? I though that was
something proprietary that Google ran over the top of RCS. Can you actually tell if the chat is encrypted or not?
It seems like there's a few third party apps with RCS: https://textmei.com/mei-features/
and also:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.messages.chat
but not sure I'd want to use them.
Theo
On 2023-09-25 17:35, Theo wrote:
In comp.mobile.android Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-09-24 13:23, Andy Burns wrote:
Theo wrote:
I know theoretically carriers can do RCS not just via Google's server, >>>>> but is it actually feasible to do that today?
I'm with O₂ and Google Messages states
"RCS is provided by your mobile operator"
Right, I see the same (Using Movistar).
Do you get end to end encryption of group chats? I though that was
something proprietary that Google ran over the top of RCS. Can you
actually
tell if the chat is encrypted or not?
I have no idea.
I was going to test, but sending a message to myself on another number
in the same provider, which months ago was RCS, now says SMS and not encrypted. Both phones have RCS active. In reverse direction, it is RCS.
Andy Burns wrote:
I'm with O₂ and Google Messages states
"RCS is provided by your mobile operator"
But what if you use an internet-enabled messenger app as your default?
What if you use one that talks sms/mms when talking to the carrier but also (with an account set up) which uses the internet to send those mms messages (without the carrier being involved on your side of the mms transaction)?
I'm usually good at guessing these, but this stumped me.
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote
Upto now, he has used some 80 nyms. He used the 'Arlen Holder' one for >>> a relativily long time, so that's why we (YTIW) call him 'Arlen'.
Makes sense.
If it takes someone more than five seconds to figure out my posts, when
they contain extremely specific details (such as those below)...
*They're morons*
<https://i.postimg.cc/Qd21dwVw/pulsesms01.jpg> PulseSMS was the best
<https://i.postimg.cc/3RdsFtgX/pulsesms02.jpg> Klinker sold to MapleMedia
<https://i.postimg.cc/1tjcm7KJ/pulsesms03.jpg> 5.4.6.2816 last known good version
<https://i.postimg.cc/nL8052Vj/pulsesms04.jpg> PulseSMS Max Image Size
<https://i.postimg.cc/ZR4jYqdJ/pulsesms05.jpg> PulseSMS last good version\
The reason the headers change is privacy.
I have many more on my desktop machine, fewer on this laptop.
On 9/25/23 7:13 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
On 9/24/23 13:24, Frank Slootweg wrote:
think 'Wally J' (aka 'Arlen Holder')OH that's why they're calling you Arlen ok I was confused about that
As you use my name in your attribution line, you probably meant:
OH that's why they're calling him Arlen ok I was confused about that^^^
Upto now, he has used some 80 nyms. He used the 'Arlen Holder' one for
a relativily long time, so that's why we (YTIW) call him 'Arlen'.
YTIW? I'm usually good at guessing these, but this stumped me.
Yet when one agrees with him, I am a noteworthy individual.
I'm amazed it takes anyone more than 5 minutes to notice this about him.
You think? :-)
Unfortunately group chats in my history usually include an iPhone user,
so get demoted to SMS
YTIW? I'm usually good at guessing these, but this stumped me.
Yes There Is We, i.e. the opposite of the more common TINW (There Is
No We). I use it in cases where there *is* a group of people who think/act/etc. alike.
On 2023-09-25 16:43, sms wrote:
On 9/25/2023 9:13 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
On 9/24/23 13:24, Frank Slootweg wrote:
think 'Wally J' (aka 'Arlen Holder')OH that's why they're calling you Arlen ok I was confused about that
As you use my name in your attribution line, you probably meant:
OH that's why they're calling him Arlen ok I was confused about that^^^
Upto now, he has used some 80 nyms. He used the 'Arlen Holder' one for >> a relativily long time, so that's why we (YTIW) call him 'Arlen'.
It's kind of sad since occasionally he was able to provide some helpful advice and about of his posts were accurate. If he changed his
attitude, and was more careful about researching subjects before posting then he could be an asset to these groups.
Yeah, some of his posts are interesting. He spoils them with his
tantrums and manias.
What if you use one that talks sms/mms when talking to the carrier but also >> (with an account set up) which uses the internet to send those mms messages >> (without the carrier being involved on your side of the mms transaction)?
Can these apps send SMS/MMS *from* my number if they're not associated
with my mobile operator?
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-25 10:43, sms wrote:
It's kind of sad since occasionally he was able to provide some helpful
advice and about ¼ of his posts were accurate. If he changed his
attitude, and was more careful about researching subjects before posting >>> then he could be an asset to these groups.
In your case that would work out to about 1/12th of your posts.
You *do* realize that by that response, you lower *your* percentage of accurate posts, don't you!? :-)
On 2023-09-25 03:14, Wally J wrote:
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
The PulseSMS Android app is just a replacement for the stock SMS/MMS
app
and the SMS/MMS are still going through your carrier. So you'd still be >>>> charged if your carrier chargers per message.
And it will not use RCS if available?
Then it presents no advantage to me.
It's hard to tell, with Carlos, whether he owns the intelligence
necessary
to comprehend what Steve said, which was there are two options with
Pulse.
Again insulting, you don't have anything valid to say.
Yet when one agrees with him, I am a noteworthy individual.
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote
Upto now, he has used some 80 nyms. He used the 'Arlen Holder' one for >>> a relativily long time, so that's why we (YTIW) call him 'Arlen'.
Makes sense.
If it takes someone more than five seconds to figure out my posts, when
they contain extremely specific details (such as those below)...
*They're morons*
<https://i.postimg.cc/Qd21dwVw/pulsesms01.jpg> PulseSMS was the best
<https://i.postimg.cc/3RdsFtgX/pulsesms02.jpg> Klinker sold to MapleMedia
<https://i.postimg.cc/1tjcm7KJ/pulsesms03.jpg> 5.4.6.2816 last known good version
<https://i.postimg.cc/nL8052Vj/pulsesms04.jpg> PulseSMS Max Image Size
<https://i.postimg.cc/ZR4jYqdJ/pulsesms05.jpg> PulseSMS last good version\
The reason the headers change is privacy.
These morons can't comprehend that the value is in the body.
Not in the wrapping paper.
Especially when most posters are using nyms such as "nospam" or you, candycanearter07...
So please put your _adult_ brain in gear.
a. Recognize I care greatly about privacy.
b. Recognize I care greatly that people get the help they need
c. Recognize I write tutorials which the naysayers never do.
Be an adult.
That means you need to understand the motive.
The idiots like the ignorant iKooks can't comprehend any motive but that of
a child - but I'm hoping you aren't as child like as iKooks clearly are.
Are you?
How long would it take you to figure out these threads are all mine?
<https://forum.xda-developers.com/m/galaxya325g.11604613/recent-content>
Yes There Is We, i.e. the opposite of the more common TINW (There Is
No We). I use it in cases where there *is* a group of people who think/act/etc. alike.
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
I have many more on my desktop machine, fewer on this laptop.
They're random, Carlos.
It's a dictionary lookup.
I don't even have a newsreader, Carlos.
It's all based on telnet scripts mostly written by Marek Novotny (RIP).
I used to scrape real addresses from the Internet but now they're
completely random - every header is completely random, Carlos.
The script ties the header to the topic and newsgroup but I don't even know what the random nym is at the time I post any new topic, Carlos.
Or at least learn how to run something as simple as a Usenet search...
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/search?q=pulsesms%20last%20known%20good%20version>
How hard is it to click on the links I provided _before_ complaining?
Some aspects of his behaviour stem from his mental illness (he posted
about that a long, long time ago). But knowing that, he should be aware
of that and exercise restraint, think twice, ask instead of judge/insult, etc., etc., but he hardly ever does any of that.
Most of the time I just filter/ignore him, but just recently - out of
the blue - he supported some of my statements. Go figure!
What that means is different to every aspy - but for me - that means I
don't suffer fools well - and I have a tremendous grasp of details.
No wonder you got a job in Silicon Valley. Neat
What that means is different to every aspy - but for me - that means I
don't suffer fools well - and I have a tremendous grasp of details.
On 9/25/23 12:30, Wally J wrote:
Or at least learn how to run something as simple as a Usenet search...
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/search?q=pulsesms%20last%20known%20good%20version>
How hard is it to click on the links I provided _before_ complaining?
Sorry I'm new to Usenet. Might've missed the messages.
On 9/25/23 12:58, Wally J wrote:
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
I have many more on my desktop machine, fewer on this laptop.
They're random, Carlos.
It's a dictionary lookup.
I don't even have a newsreader, Carlos.
It's all based on telnet scripts mostly written by Marek Novotny (RIP).
I used to scrape real addresses from the Internet but now they're
completely random - every header is completely random, Carlos.
The script ties the header to the topic and newsgroup but I don't even
know
what the random nym is at the time I post any new topic, Carlos.
Are the scripts up somewhere? That sounds pretty cool and a good way to
learn scripting.
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
I have many more on my desktop machine, fewer on this laptop.
They're random, Carlos.
It's a dictionary lookup.
I don't even have a newsreader, Carlos.
It's all based on telnet scripts mostly written by Marek Novotny (RIP).
I used to scrape real addresses from the Internet but now they're
completely random - every header is completely random, Carlos.
The script ties the header to the topic and newsgroup but I don't even know what the random nym is at the time I post any new topic, Carlos.
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
I'm amazed it takes anyone more than 5 minutes to notice this about him.
You think? :-)
Instead of focusing on why people want privacy and how you can't understand the concept of privacy, let's focus on answering the question I posed.
*Q: What does RCS do that PulseSMS (with an account) doesn't already do?*
The answer to _that_ question is an adult topic worthy of discussion.
On 2023-09-25 11:55, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 9/25/23 12:30, Wally J wrote:
Or at least learn how to run something as simple as a Usenet search...
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/search?q=pulsesms%20last%20known%20good%20version>
How hard is it to click on the links I provided _before_ complaining?
Sorry I'm new to Usenet. Might've missed the messages.
It's not you.
Arlen is just a little dick-weasel.
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote
What that means is different to every aspy - but for me - that means I
don't suffer fools well - and I have a tremendous grasp of details.
No wonder you got a job in Silicon Valley. Neat
Other than Steve, and maybe nospam, I suspect nobody on this newsgroup has any idea how incredibly smart the people are who work in Silicon Valley.
They put me to shame... and... by extension... the rest of you too.
However, as candycanearter07 seems to have intimated, NOBODY in Silicon Valley is normal in that NONE of them suffer fools with aplomb.
They're all super intelligent and super difficult when people say stupid things to them...
How long would it take you to figure out these threads are all mine?
<https://forum.xda-developers.com/m/galaxya325g.11604613/recent-content>
You have a pretty distinct writing style.
On 9/25/23 14:49, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-25 11:55, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 9/25/23 12:30, Wally J wrote:
Or at least learn how to run something as simple as a Usenet search... >>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/search?q=pulsesms%20last%20known%20good%20version>
How hard is it to click on the links I provided _before_ complaining?
Sorry I'm new to Usenet. Might've missed the messages.
It's not you.
Arlen is just a little dick-weasel.
Don't be mean to them :(
*Q: What does RCS do that PulseSMS (with an account) doesn't already do?* >>
The answer to _that_ question is an adult topic worthy of discussion.
I already answered that.
On 9/25/23 14:32, Wally J wrote:
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote
What that means is different to every aspy - but for me - that means I >>>> don't suffer fools well - and I have a tremendous grasp of details.
No wonder you got a job in Silicon Valley. Neat
Other than Steve, and maybe nospam, I suspect nobody on this newsgroup
has
any idea how incredibly smart the people are who work in Silicon Valley.
They put me to shame... and... by extension... the rest of you too.
However, as candycanearter07 seems to have intimated, NOBODY in Silicon
Valley is normal in that NONE of them suffer fools with aplomb.
They're all super intelligent and super difficult when people say stupid
things to them...
I meant that the grasp of details was good for programming :(
As someone who struggles with human contact and is also a bit of a
programmer it's not super easy sometimes.
On 9/25/23 14:06, Wally J wrote:
What that means is different to every aspy - but for me - that means I don't suffer fools well - and I have a tremendous grasp of details.
No wonder you got a job in Silicon Valley. Neat
On 9/25/23 13:03, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Yes There Is We, i.e. the opposite of the more common TINW (There Is
No We). I use it in cases where there *is* a group of people who think/act/etc. alike.
Haven't heard of either, are these common in Usenet?
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
*Q: What does RCS do that PulseSMS (with an account) doesn't already do?*
The answer to _that_ question is an adult topic worthy of discussion.
I already answered that.
Hi Chris,
I'm trying to learn from...
As I said, YTIW is a derivative. It's probably not that common, so I spread the word! :-)
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
On 9/25/23 13:03, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Yes There Is We, i.e. the opposite of the more common TINW (There Is
No We). I use it in cases where there *is* a group of people who
think/act/etc. alike.
Haven't heard of either, are these common in Usenet?
TINW is quite common:
'TINW'
<https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/TINW>
"Acronym Definition
TINW There is No We (USENET)
TINW This is Not working"
You can often find explanations for these kind of unknown terms, by
doing a "define: <keyword>" (without the quotess) search in Google, so
in this case "define: TINW".
As I said, YTIW is a derivative. It's probably not that common, so I spread the word! :-)
No google result at all. I suspect it was made up on the spot :-)
On 9/26/23 11:11, The Real Bev wrote:
No google result at all. I suspect it was made up on the spot :-)Those are the best ones!
Again insulting, you don't have anything valid to say.
Yet when one agrees with him, I am a noteworthy individual.
It is two-faced. Like many trolls.
Are the scripts up somewhere? That sounds pretty cool and a good way to
learn scripting.
Anyway: "Let's Be Careful Out There!"
On 9/26/23 9:22 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 9/26/23 11:11, The Real Bev wrote:
No google result at all. I suspect it was made up on the spot :-)Those are the best ones!
IAATFS...
Just bought a new toy. El cheapo Amazon Fire 7 tablet which I am posting with. Sideloaded the Google stuff so have both Google and Amazon on it.
On 9/26/23 9:34 AM, AJL wrote:
On 9/26/23 9:22 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 9/26/23 11:11, The Real Bev wrote:
No google result at all. I suspect it was made up on the spot :-)Those are the best ones!
IAATFS...
I am a twit for sure!
On 9/26/23 23:22, AJL wrote:
Just bought a new toy. El cheapo Amazon Fire 7 tablet which I am posting
with. Sideloaded the Google stuff so have both Google and Amazon on it.
Cheap tech is always fun to mess with, you can just get another :D
On 9/26/23 23:22, AJL wrote:posting
Just bought a new toy. El cheapo Amazon Fire 7 tablet which I am
on it.with. Sideloaded the Google stuff so have both Google and Amazon
Cheap tech is always fun to mess with, you can just get another :D
On 9/26/23 9:26 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 9/26/23 23:22, AJL wrote:
Just bought a new toy. El cheapo Amazon Fire 7 tablet which I am posting >>> with. Sideloaded the Google stuff so have both Google and Amazon on it.
Cheap tech is always fun to mess with, you can just get another :D
There speaks a man who has never tried to repair a broken screwdriver.
BTW I lied in my last post. I forgot that my older Amazon Fire HD10+
still has a working Groundhog newsreader (I think). Am posting with it
now (I think)...
BTW I lied in my last post. I forgot that my older Amazon FireHD10+
still has a working Groundhog newsreader (I think). Am posting with
it now (I think)...
On 9/26/23 9:26 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 9/26/23 23:22, AJL wrote:
Just bought a new toy. El cheapo Amazon Fire 7 tablet which I am posting >>> with. Sideloaded the Google stuff so have both Google and Amazon on it.
Cheap tech is always fun to mess with, you can just get another :D
There speaks a man who has never tried to repair a broken screwdriver.
On 2023-09-27 06:31, The Real Bev wrote:
On 9/26/23 9:26 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 9/26/23 23:22, AJL wrote:
Just bought a new toy. El cheapo Amazon Fire 7 tablet which I am posting >>>> with. Sideloaded the Google stuff so have both Google and Amazon on it. >>>Cheap tech is always fun to mess with, you can just get another :D
There speaks a man who has never tried to repair a broken screwdriver.
I have... depends how it broke, though.
On 9/27/23 3:04 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-09-27 06:31, The Real Bev wrote:
On 9/26/23 9:26 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 9/26/23 23:22, AJL wrote:
Just bought a new toy. El cheapo Amazon Fire 7 tablet which I am
posting
with. Sideloaded the Google stuff so have both Google and Amazon on
it.
Cheap tech is always fun to mess with, you can just get another :D
There speaks a man who has never tried to repair a broken screwdriver.
I have... depends how it broke, though.
"Trying" includes diagnosis :-)
On 2023-09-27 20:11, The Real Bev wrote:
On 9/27/23 3:04 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-09-27 06:31, The Real Bev wrote:
On 9/26/23 9:26 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 9/26/23 23:22, AJL wrote:
Just bought a new toy. El cheapo Amazon Fire 7 tablet which I am
posting
with. Sideloaded the Google stuff so have both Google and Amazon on >>>>>> it.
Cheap tech is always fun to mess with, you can just get another :D
There speaks a man who has never tried to repair a broken screwdriver.
I have... depends how it broke, though.
"Trying" includes diagnosis :-)
Sure.
Some broke the plastic handle, couldn't repair.
Some broke the tip. I filed a new tip. On a good one it is very
difficult or hard to do.
There are people who fix things and people who just throw them away. The other kind is just WRONG.
Theo wrote:
I know theoretically carriers can do RCS not just via Google's server,
but is it actually feasible to do that today?
I'm with O₂ and Google Messages states
"RCS is provided by your mobile operator"
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| Users: | 297 |
| Nodes: | 16 (2 / 14) |
| Uptime: | 08:22:27 |
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