Forgive me if I have the facts wrong but basically my old Samsung mobile
is Android 4 (WCDMA/GSM if that means something to you) and gets better reception than my current Android 11 (LTE/3G/2G auto connect) in the
same place on the same network.
Forgive me if I have the facts wrong but basically my old Samsung mobile
is Android 4 (WCDMA/GSM if that means something to you) and gets better
reception than my current Android 11 (LTE/3G/2G auto connect) in the
same place on the same network.
Well, it may get higher signal bars, but the best speed that'll reach on WCDMA is 2Mbps, where even a couple of bars of LTE will get you a few
10's of Mbps
A Jelly Bean 2.5G phone is not much more than a curio really ...
Forgive me if I have the facts wrong but basically my old Samsung mobile
is Android 4 (WCDMA/GSM if that means something to you) and gets better reception than my current Android 11 (LTE/3G/2G auto connect) in the
same place on the same network.
Is that to do with the aerial?
Is there anything I can do about it beyond changing my phone?
Forgive me if I have the facts wrong but basically my old Samsung mobile
is Android 4 (WCDMA/GSM if that means something to you) and gets better reception than my current Android 11 (LTE/3G/2G auto connect) in the
same place on the same network.
Is that to do with the aerial?
Is there anything I can do about it beyond changing my phone?
Forgive me if I have the facts wrong but basically my old Samsung mobile
is Android 4 (WCDMA/GSM if that means something to you) and gets better reception than my current Android 11 (LTE/3G/2G auto connect) in the
same place on the same network.
Is that to do with the aerial?
Is there anything I can do about it beyond changing my phone?
Signal bars in the display are NOT how you measure signal strength. The
bars are just an indicator, like a wind sock that points straight out
tells you there is enough wind to raise the sock, but not how fast is
the wind.
Go into Android settings -> General -> About phone -> Network (your
navpath may vary from mine). Look at the dBm measurement to compare
signal strength on the 2 phones.
You can also use an app to give your cellular info, like Network Cell
Info. There are lite and full versions. I paid the $2 to get the full version.
https://play.google.com/store/search?q=network+cell+info+lite&c=apps https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wilysis.cellinfo
You'll get far more info than you'll likely understand for a long time.
One feature, map, will show to which cell tower the phone is connected.
Possibly one phone connects to a different cell tower than the other
phone, and distance causes signal attentuation as do obstructions
between cell tower to phone.
Both phones on the same cellular carrier
does not mean both phones connect to the same cell tower.
On 9/4/2023 2:21 PM, Jim the Geordie wrote:
Forgive me if I have the facts wrong but basically my old Samsung mobile
is Android 4 (WCDMA/GSM if that means something to you) and gets better
reception than my current Android 11 (LTE/3G/2G auto connect) in the
same place on the same network.
Is that to do with the aerial?
Is there anything I can do about it beyond changing my phone?
I would think that the hardware would make more difference than the
Android version.
Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
Forgive me if I have the facts wrong but basically my old Samsung mobile
is Android 4 (WCDMA/GSM if that means something to you) and gets better
reception than my current Android 11 (LTE/3G/2G auto connect) in the
same place on the same network.
Is that to do with the aerial?
Is there anything I can do about it beyond changing my phone?
Signal bars in the display are NOT how you measure signal strength. The
bars are just an indicator, like a wind sock that points straight out
tells you there is enough wind to raise the sock, but not how fast is
the wind.
Personally, I'd never in a million years buy an app that I didn't test
out the freeware alternatives first - since usually you don't need
any money.
If the app was useful, I recompense the author.
On 2023-09-04 18:16, Bodger wrote:
On 9/4/2023 2:21 PM, Jim the Geordie wrote:
Forgive me if I have the facts wrong but basically my old Samsung mobile >> is Android 4 (WCDMA/GSM if that means something to you) and gets better
reception than my current Android 11 (LTE/3G/2G auto connect) in the
same place on the same network.
Is that to do with the aerial?
Is there anything I can do about it beyond changing my phone?
I would think that the hardware would make more difference than the
Android version.
It is a clue on the year of manufacture.
That phone has to be quite old, so it can not receive the new bands.
On 9/5/2023 1:56 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
If the app was useful, I recompense the author.
It's interesting people think it's about the money, when the money is the least of the penalties for paying ten bucks for free software.
Buying it gives a healthy cut to Google who doesn't deserve 30%.
You can usually donate to the author instead of buying the software.
That way the author gets 100% instead of only 70% of your money.
In addition you must be a smarter man than I am to be able to buy software off the Google Play Store without using a credit card on your account.
The tremendous loss of privacy from credit cards is how they keep tabs on people and, anecdotally, it's how they catch criminals (like the National Guard IT guy who opened up the social media account he posted the documents to using his credit card and home address).
How do you manage to pay for apps without surrendering your privacy?
Lastly, once you put a credit card on an Android phone, it instantly
becomes dangerous - like a radioactive barrel of nuclear plant waste.
Forevermore, for the rest of the life of that phone (and for the rest of
the life of the backups of that phone), you now have to worry about safeguarding that phone from being lost, stolen or hacked.
How did you manage to pay for apps to the tune of only a few bucks and yet you lost the convenience and privacy of having a phone that you wouldn't
care if you lost it or if it was stolen.
You lost thousands (or whatever) worth of worries for ten dollars of app. Unless you are smarter than that and you found a (secret?) way around it?
It's not about the money - people who think it is about the money don't understand it's not about the ten bucks - it's about the loss of privacy.
1. Google gets 30% and the developer loses that 30%
2. Your credit card is a huge loss of privacy on a phone
3. Putting a credit card on a phone is like making the phone radioactive
You have to safeguard it forever - just because of that one simple mistake.
Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
Forgive me if I have the facts wrong but basically my old Samsung mobile
is Android 4 (WCDMA/GSM if that means something to you) and gets better reception than my current Android 11 (LTE/3G/2G auto connect) in the
same place on the same network.
Is that to do with the aerial?
Is there anything I can do about it beyond changing my phone?
Signal bars in the display are NOT how you measure signal strength. The
bars are just an indicator, like a wind sock that points straight out
tells you there is enough wind to raise the sock, but not how fast is
the wind.
Go into Android settings -> General -> About phone -> Network (your
navpath may vary from mine). Look at the dBm measurement to compare
signal strength on the 2 phones.
You can also use an app to give your cellular info, like Network Cell
Info. There are lite and full versions. I paid the $2 to get the full version.
https://play.google.com/store/search?q=network+cell+info+lite&c=apps https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wilysis.cellinfo
You'll get far more info than you'll likely understand for a long time.
One feature, map, will show to which cell tower the phone is connected. Possibly one phone connects to a different cell tower than the other
phone, and distance causes signal attentuation as do obstructions
between cell tower to phone. Both phones on the same cellular carrier
does not mean both phones connect to the same cell tower.
On 2023-09-04 22:55, VanguardLH wrote:
Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
Forgive me if I have the facts wrong but basically my old Samsung mobile >>> is Android 4 (WCDMA/GSM if that means something to you) and gets better
reception than my current Android 11 (LTE/3G/2G auto connect) in the
same place on the same network.
Is that to do with the aerial?
Is there anything I can do about it beyond changing my phone?
Signal bars in the display are NOT how you measure signal strength. The
bars are just an indicator, like a wind sock that points straight out
tells you there is enough wind to raise the sock, but not how fast is
the wind.
You might want to look into windsocks a bit more before you use that
analogy again:
'Alternating stripes of high-visibility orange and white were initially
used to help to estimate wind speed, with each stripe adding 3 knots
(5.6 km/h; 3.5 mph) to the estimated speed. However, some circular frame mountings cause windsocks to be held open at one end, indicating a
velocity of 3 knots even when stripes are not present. A fully extended windsock suggests a wind speed of 15 knots (28 km/h; 17 mph) or greater.[2]'
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsock>
How do you manage to pay for apps without surrendering your privacy?
In article <1tnx805dcomkk$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, V@nguard.LH says...
Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
Forgive me if I have the facts wrong but basically my old Samsung mobile >>> is Android 4 (WCDMA/GSM if that means something to you) and gets better
reception than my current Android 11 (LTE/3G/2G auto connect) in the
same place on the same network.
Is that to do with the aerial?
Is there anything I can do about it beyond changing my phone?
Signal bars in the display are NOT how you measure signal strength. The
bars are just an indicator, like a wind sock that points straight out
tells you there is enough wind to raise the sock, but not how fast is
the wind.
Go into Android settings -> General -> About phone -> Network (your
navpath may vary from mine). Look at the dBm measurement to compare
signal strength on the 2 phones.
You can also use an app to give your cellular info, like Network Cell
Info. There are lite and full versions. I paid the $2 to get the full
version.
https://play.google.com/store/search?q=network+cell+info+lite&c=apps
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wilysis.cellinfo
You'll get far more info than you'll likely understand for a long time.
One feature, map, will show to which cell tower the phone is connected.
Possibly one phone connects to a different cell tower than the other
phone, and distance causes signal attentuation as do obstructions
between cell tower to phone. Both phones on the same cellular carrier
does not mean both phones connect to the same cell tower.
All very interesting, but no help really.
I'll just have to use the older phone at this one location.
You have to safeguard it forever - just because of that one simple mistake.
I'm not getting into the privacy debate. You have folks so scared of
using credit cards online, but think nothing of handing them over to a
table jockey at a restaurant.
We've already stepped away from the main thread, and this steps away
again, so the discussion gets way off-topic.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-04 22:55, VanguardLH wrote:
Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
Forgive me if I have the facts wrong but basically my old Samsung mobile >>>> is Android 4 (WCDMA/GSM if that means something to you) and gets better >>>> reception than my current Android 11 (LTE/3G/2G auto connect) in the
same place on the same network.
Is that to do with the aerial?
Is there anything I can do about it beyond changing my phone?
Signal bars in the display are NOT how you measure signal strength. The >>> bars are just an indicator, like a wind sock that points straight out
tells you there is enough wind to raise the sock, but not how fast is
the wind.
You might want to look into windsocks a bit more before you use that
analogy again:
'Alternating stripes of high-visibility orange and white were initially
used to help to estimate wind speed, with each stripe adding 3 knots
(5.6 km/h; 3.5 mph) to the estimated speed. However, some circular frame
mountings cause windsocks to be held open at one end, indicating a
velocity of 3 knots even when stripes are not present. A fully extended
windsock suggests a wind speed of 15 knots (28 km/h; 17 mph) or greater.[2]' >>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsock>
With as much accuracy as bars for signal strength on a phone.
On 9/5/2023 1:56 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
If the app was useful, I recompense the author.
It's interesting people think it's about the money, when the money is the least of the penalties for paying ten bucks for free software.
Buying it gives a healthy cut to Google who doesn't deserve 30%.
You can usually donate to the author instead of buying the software.
That way the author gets 100% instead of only 70% of your money.
In addition you must be a smarter man than I am to be able to buy
software off the Google Play Store without using a credit card on your account.
The tremendous loss of privacy from credit cards is how they keep tabs
on people and, anecdotally, it's how they catch criminals (like the
National Guard IT guy who opened up the social media account he posted
the documents to using his credit card and home address).
How do you manage to pay for apps without surrendering your privacy?
Lastly, once you put a credit card on an Android phone, it instantly
becomes dangerous - like a radioactive barrel of nuclear plant waste.
Forevermore, for the rest of the life of that phone (and for the rest of
the life of the backups of that phone), you now have to worry about safeguarding that phone from being lost, stolen or hacked.
How did you manage to pay for apps to the tune of only a few bucks and
yet you lost the convenience and privacy of having a phone that you
wouldn't care if you lost it or if it was stolen.
You lost thousands (or whatever) worth of worries for ten dollars of app. Unless you are smarter than that and you found a (secret?) way around it?
It's not about the money - people who think it is about the money don't understand it's not about the ten bucks - it's about the loss of privacy.
1. Google gets 30% and the developer loses that 30%
2. Your credit card is a huge loss of privacy on a phone
3. Putting a credit card on a phone is like making the phone radioactive
You have to safeguard it forever - just because of that one simple mistake.
Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
In article <1tnx805dcomkk$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, V@nguard.LH says...
Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
Forgive me if I have the facts wrong but basically my old Samsung mobile >>> is Android 4 (WCDMA/GSM if that means something to you) and gets better >>> reception than my current Android 11 (LTE/3G/2G auto connect) in the
same place on the same network.
Is that to do with the aerial?
Is there anything I can do about it beyond changing my phone?
Signal bars in the display are NOT how you measure signal strength. The >> bars are just an indicator, like a wind sock that points straight out
tells you there is enough wind to raise the sock, but not how fast is
the wind.
Go into Android settings -> General -> About phone -> Network (your
navpath may vary from mine). Look at the dBm measurement to compare
signal strength on the 2 phones.
You can also use an app to give your cellular info, like Network Cell
Info. There are lite and full versions. I paid the $2 to get the full
version.
https://play.google.com/store/search?q=network+cell+info+lite&c=apps
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wilysis.cellinfo
You'll get far more info than you'll likely understand for a long time.
One feature, map, will show to which cell tower the phone is connected.
Possibly one phone connects to a different cell tower than the other
phone, and distance causes signal attentuation as do obstructions
between cell tower to phone. Both phones on the same cellular carrier
does not mean both phones connect to the same cell tower.
All very interesting, but no help really.
I'll just have to use the older phone at this one location.
Ah, I see. You started the discussion, but it really wasn't important
enough to even go into your phone's settings to check signal dBm while watching a commercial on TV.
Someone else mentioned which bands your phones support. You could go to gsmarena.com to hunt down your phone to see which bands each phone
supports. There are apps that will tell you, too.
RF density may not be as homogenous as you think. I've seen where
rocking in a chair or moving just a couple feet can affect signal
Here, you can buy credit cards in several types of stores,
e.g., for 15 or 50 Euro. They have a multi-digit confirmation
number printed on them. You can pay the cards in cash.
These cards are usually designed to pay for a service with a
particular provider.
I don't know much about those cards, but I guess you then
could transfer the number to you creditor and he them might
be able to gain a monetary benefit from it.
So, you might be able to pay via that number, and that number
is not connected to you in an obvious matter.
Given there are plenty of free ad-free apps that are just as good as the payware apps, it's my recommendation that people donate to the developers.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vrem.wifianalyzer https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ubnt.usurvey https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.manageengine.wifimonitor https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.etwok.netspotapp
In article <1t1rg47o0b6k9$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, V@nguard.LH says...
Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
In article <1tnx805dcomkk$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, V@nguard.LH says...
Sorry I started this.
I am a bloke with a mobile getting my signal from O2. In a particular
cafe which to be fair has reinforced concrete roof and brick walls with
big windows. When I open an app, I (mostly) get a message saying no
signal (do you want to play a game?)(I don't)
Mt wife uses my old android Galaxt Ace v4.4 and gets a signal although
it is slow.
At this point both phones are sat side by side near a window.
When I move 10 feet outside (towards the sea ie away from any mast and
the concrete roof) the signal returns to both.
I expected better of my newer phone in identical conditions and simply wondered if I could do anything about it, beyond eating somewhere else
and waiting until the end of my contract.
On 2023-09-05 10:08, Jim the Geordie wrote:
In article <1t1rg47o0b6k9$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, V@nguard.LH says...
Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
In article <1tnx805dcomkk$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, V@nguard.LH says...
Sorry I started this.
I am a bloke with a mobile getting my signal from O2. In a particular
cafe which to be fair has reinforced concrete roof and brick walls with
big windows. When I open an app, I (mostly) get a message saying no
signal (do you want to play a game?)(I don't)
Mt wife uses my old android Galaxt Ace v4.4 and gets a signal although
it is slow.
At this point both phones are sat side by side near a window.
When I move 10 feet outside (towards the sea ie away from any mast and
the concrete roof) the signal returns to both.
I expected better of my newer phone in identical conditions and simply wondered if I could do anything about it, beyond eating somewhere else
and waiting until the end of my contract.
But the thing is, very possibly they are not identical conditions,
because very possibly they are using different bands.
In article <klp4rnFj14gU1@mid.individual.net>, robin_listas@es.invalid says...
On 2023-09-05 10:08, Jim the Geordie wrote:
In article <1t1rg47o0b6k9$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, V@nguard.LH says...
Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
In article <1tnx805dcomkk$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, V@nguard.LH says...
Sorry I started this.
I am a bloke with a mobile getting my signal from O2. In a particular
cafe which to be fair has reinforced concrete roof and brick walls with
big windows. When I open an app, I (mostly) get a message saying no
signal (do you want to play a game?)(I don't)
Mt wife uses my old android Galaxt Ace v4.4 and gets a signal although
it is slow.
At this point both phones are sat side by side near a window.
When I move 10 feet outside (towards the sea ie away from any mast and
the concrete roof) the signal returns to both.
I expected better of my newer phone in identical conditions and simply
wondered if I could do anything about it, beyond eating somewhere else
and waiting until the end of my contract.
But the thing is, very possibly they are not identical conditions,
because very possibly they are using different bands.
Ah!
And is that something I can change?
robin_listas says...
But the thing is, very possibly they are not identical conditions,
because very possibly they are using different bands.
Ah!
And is that something I can change?
If you don't require internet you could perhaps see if you can disable
4G on the new phone in settings.
In article <klp4rnFj14gU1@mid.individual.net>, robin_listas@es.invalid says...
On 2023-09-05 10:08, Jim the Geordie wrote:
But the thing is, very possibly they are not identical conditions,
because very possibly they are using different bands.
Ah!
And is that something I can change?
In article <klnl1pF8sovU4@mid.individual.net>, robin_listas@es.invalid says...
On 2023-09-04 18:16, Bodger wrote:
On 9/4/2023 2:21 PM, Jim the Geordie wrote:
Forgive me if I have the facts wrong but basically my old Samsung mobile >>>> is Android 4 (WCDMA/GSM if that means something to you) and gets better >>>> reception than my current Android 11 (LTE/3G/2G auto connect) in the
same place on the same network.
Is that to do with the aerial?
Is there anything I can do about it beyond changing my phone?
I would think that the hardware would make more difference than the
Android version.
It is a clue on the year of manufacture.
That phone has to be quite old, so it can not receive the new bands.
My point is that the old phone works better then the newer one!
I am a bloke with a mobile getting my signal from O2.
Mt wife uses my old android Galaxt Ace v4.4
the other is that the instant you put financial information onto a phone,
it becomes a radioactive waste that has to be guarded lest it get out.
On 2023-09-05 05:46, VanguardLH wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-04 22:55, VanguardLH wrote:
Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
Forgive me if I have the facts wrong but basically my old Samsung mobile >>>>> is Android 4 (WCDMA/GSM if that means something to you) and gets better >>>>> reception than my current Android 11 (LTE/3G/2G auto connect) in the >>>>> same place on the same network.
Is that to do with the aerial?
Is there anything I can do about it beyond changing my phone?
Signal bars in the display are NOT how you measure signal strength. The >>>> bars are just an indicator, like a wind sock that points straight out
tells you there is enough wind to raise the sock, but not how fast is
the wind.
You might want to look into windsocks a bit more before you use that
analogy again:
'Alternating stripes of high-visibility orange and white were initially
used to help to estimate wind speed, with each stripe adding 3 knots
(5.6 km/h; 3.5 mph) to the estimated speed. However, some circular frame >>> mountings cause windsocks to be held open at one end, indicating a
velocity of 3 knots even when stripes are not present. A fully extended
windsock suggests a wind speed of 15 knots (28 km/h; 17 mph) or greater.[2]'
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsock>
With as much accuracy as bars for signal strength on a phone.
Why would you imagine that windsocks aren't reasonably accurate?
In article <1t1rg47o0b6k9$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, V@nguard.LH says...
Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
In article <1tnx805dcomkk$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, V@nguard.LH says...
Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
Forgive me if I have the facts wrong but basically my old Samsung mobile >>>>> is Android 4 (WCDMA/GSM if that means something to you) and gets better >>>>> reception than my current Android 11 (LTE/3G/2G auto connect) in the >>>>> same place on the same network.
Is that to do with the aerial?
Is there anything I can do about it beyond changing my phone?
Signal bars in the display are NOT how you measure signal strength. The >>>> bars are just an indicator, like a wind sock that points straight out
tells you there is enough wind to raise the sock, but not how fast is
the wind.
Go into Android settings -> General -> About phone -> Network (your
navpath may vary from mine). Look at the dBm measurement to compare
signal strength on the 2 phones.
You can also use an app to give your cellular info, like Network Cell
Info. There are lite and full versions. I paid the $2 to get the full >>>> version.
https://play.google.com/store/search?q=network+cell+info+lite&c=apps
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wilysis.cellinfo
You'll get far more info than you'll likely understand for a long time. >>>> One feature, map, will show to which cell tower the phone is connected. >>>> Possibly one phone connects to a different cell tower than the other
phone, and distance causes signal attentuation as do obstructions
between cell tower to phone. Both phones on the same cellular carrier >>>> does not mean both phones connect to the same cell tower.
All very interesting, but no help really.
I'll just have to use the older phone at this one location.
Ah, I see. You started the discussion, but it really wasn't important
enough to even go into your phone's settings to check signal dBm while
watching a commercial on TV.
Someone else mentioned which bands your phones support. You could go to
gsmarena.com to hunt down your phone to see which bands each phone
supports. There are apps that will tell you, too.
RF density may not be as homogenous as you think. I've seen where
rocking in a chair or moving just a couple feet can affect signal
Sorry I started this.
I am a bloke with a mobile getting my signal from O2. In a particular
cafe which to be fair has reinforced concrete roof and brick walls with
big windows. When I open an app, I (mostly) get a message saying no
signal (do you want to play a game?)(I don't)
Mt wife uses my old android Galaxt Ace v4.4 and gets a signal although
it is slow.
At this point both phones are sat side by side near a window.
When I move 10 feet outside (towards the sea ie away from any mast and
the concrete roof) the signal returns to both.
I expected better of my newer phone in identical conditions and simply wondered if I could do anything about it, beyond eating somewhere else
and waiting until the end of my contract.
Jim the Geordie wrote:
I am a bloke with a mobile getting my signal from O2.
Mt wife uses my old android Galaxt Ace v4.4
Is she also on O2, or another network?
Besides the auto-lockout, I always lock my phone when
done using it, and can remotely reset it, too.
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