• How to move app from old phone to new phone?

    From micky@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 2 02:16:24 2023
    If I have on an old phone an app that I like, but it's no longer in the
    app store, is there a way to get it to another phone?

    In this case it's Extra Loud Ringtones, or some such name. I have two
    apps like that and neither are in the app store anymore. I think it's
    unlikely there is anything about them that could become obsolete, since
    they are just a list of sound files.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to micky on Wed Aug 2 09:41:00 2023
    micky wrote:

    If I have on an old phone an app that I like, but it's no longer in the
    app store, is there a way to get it to another phone?

    on both phones, go into the Play Store app
    Manage apps & device

    on the new phone click [Receive]

    on the old phone click [Send]
    tick the app(s) you wish to transfer and click the icon top right,
    not sure if the icon is meant to be an arror, or a paper-plane
    select the old phone as the receiver
    verify the same pairing code is displayed on both phones

    on the new phone click [Receive], then [Install]

    on both phones click disconnect.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to usenet@andyburns.uk on Wed Aug 2 09:36:34 2023
    In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 2 Aug 2023 09:41:00 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    micky wrote:

    If I have on an old phone an app that I like, but it's no longer in the
    app store, is there a way to get it to another phone?

    on both phones, go into the Play Store app
    Manage apps & device

    on the new phone click [Receive]

    on the old phone click [Send]
    tick the app(s) you wish to transfer and click the icon top right,
    not sure if the icon is meant to be an arror, or a paper-plane
    select the old phone as the receiver
    verify the same pairing code is displayed on both phones

    on the new phone click [Receive], then [Install]

    on both phones click disconnect.


    That sounds great. I'm busy today but after I do it, I plan to let you
    know how it went. (I needed to hear the phone this morning if someone
    called when I was asleep, but I was up by 8 and no one had called, so
    I'm not in a hurry right now.)

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  • From Incubus@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Aug 2 14:19:29 2023
    On 2023-08-02, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
    If I have on an old phone an app that I like, but it's no longer in the
    app store, is there a way to get it to another phone?

    on both phones, go into the Play Store app
    Manage apps & device

    on the new phone click [Receive]

    on the old phone click [Send]
    tick the app(s) you wish to transfer and click the icon top right,
    not sure if the icon is meant to be an arror, or a paper-plane
    select the old phone as the receiver
    verify the same pairing code is displayed on both phones

    on the new phone click [Receive], then [Install]

    on both phones click disconnect.

    If you set up the nova launcher on the old phone, you can even bring over
    all the icon placements (in their correct folder and homescreen location).

    In the old phone, you save the nova backup file.
    On the new phone, you load that nova backup file.

    For all the apps (usually the default apps, of course) which already exist
    on the new phone, they will be in the exact same spot on the new phone.

    But the apps that don't yet exist on the new phone will be grayed out.

    For those, one by one, you tap on each grayed out app icon placeholder.
    That will automatically install the app off of the Google Play Store.

    Voila!

    The result is all the same apps you had before.
    In exactly the same spot!

    For those apps which no longer exist on the Google Play Store (it happens),
    you can _extract_ those apps off the old phone onto the new phone.

    The reason you can extract apps off the old phone onto the new phone is
    that Android never deletes the original APK (even for the default apps).

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Aug 2 07:57:02 2023
    On 8/2/23 1:41 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
    micky wrote:

    If I have on an old phone an app that I like, but it's no longer in the
    app store, is there a way to get it to another phone?

    on both phones, go into the Play Store app
    Manage apps & device

    on the new phone click [Receive]

    on the old phone click [Send]
    tick the app(s) you wish to transfer and click the icon top right,
    not sure if the icon is meant to be an arror, or a paper-plane
    select the old phone as the receiver
    verify the same pairing code is displayed on both phones

    on the new phone click [Receive], then [Install]

    on both phones click disconnect.

    NIFTY! I've never gone past the 'Update all' thing on that page. A
    week ago I updated 130 apps. Today it wants me to update 27. Feh.


    --
    Cheers, Bev
    "We're from the Government. We're here to help."

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Aug 2 09:31:25 2023
    On 8/2/2023 1:41 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
    micky wrote:

    If I have on an old phone an app that I like, but it's no longer in the
    app store, is there a way to get it to another phone?

    on both phones, go into the Play Store app
    Manage apps & device

    on the new phone click [Receive]

    on the old phone click [Send]
    tick the app(s) you wish to transfer and click the icon top right,
    not sure if the icon is meant to be an arror, or a paper-plane
    select the old phone as the receiver
    verify the same pairing code is displayed on both phones

    Does this download the same apps from the Play Store or actually
    transfer the apps from one phone to the other? On the iPhone you can't "transfer" apps that are no longer available on the App Store.

    He might have to extract the APK from the old phone and then load it on
    the new phone.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to usenet@andyburns.uk on Wed Aug 2 12:52:57 2023
    In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 2 Aug 2023 09:41:00 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    micky wrote:

    If I have on an old phone an app that I like, but it's no longer in the
    app store, is there a way to get it to another phone?

    on both phones, go into the Play Store app
    Manage apps & device

    on the new phone click [Receive]

    on the old phone click [Send]
    tick the app(s) you wish to transfer and click the icon top right,
    not sure if the icon is meant to be an arror, or a paper-plane
    select the old phone as the receiver
    verify the same pairing code is displayed on both phones

    on the new phone click [Receive], then [Install]

    on both phones click disconnect.

    This sounded perfect and your directions were great, but I tried and it
    only offers to send 12 of them
    Airbnb
    Amazon Alexa
    Chomp
    CNBC
    Instacart
    Linkedin
    Map of specific area
    Maps & Navigation
    Microsoft Swiftkey Keyboard
    Photos
    Telegram
    Webex Meet.

    I wonder what makes these suitable and not the other 100.

    I sorted by size and it was the same 12!

    (I'm googling the same question but that requires reading entire
    articles and hoping one mentions the limited number and how to get
    around it, if possible. And the first hit, from google itself, didn't
    seem to correspond to my phones. It talks about Copy and no mention of
    Send or Receive, which both your directions and my phones had.)

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to bashley101@gmail.com on Wed Aug 2 12:55:03 2023
    In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 2 Aug 2023 07:57:02 -0700, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 8/2/23 1:41 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
    micky wrote:

    If I have on an old phone an app that I like, but it's no longer in the
    app store, is there a way to get it to another phone?

    on both phones, go into the Play Store app
    Manage apps & device

    on the new phone click [Receive]

    on the old phone click [Send]
    tick the app(s) you wish to transfer and click the icon top right,
    not sure if the icon is meant to be an arror, or a paper-plane
    select the old phone as the receiver
    verify the same pairing code is displayed on both phones

    on the new phone click [Receive], then [Install]

    on both phones click disconnect.

    NIFTY! I've never gone past the 'Update all' thing on that page. A
    week ago I updated 130 apps. Today it wants me to update 27. Feh.

    I never had more than 5 or 10 before, and I always did them. Today it
    wants to do 88 of them. Is it an August Special sale?

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Wed Aug 2 12:56:50 2023
    In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 2 Aug 2023 09:31:25 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    On 8/2/2023 1:41 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
    micky wrote:

    If I have on an old phone an app that I like, but it's no longer in the
    app store, is there a way to get it to another phone?

    on both phones, go into the Play Store app
    Manage apps & device

    on the new phone click [Receive]

    on the old phone click [Send]
    tick the app(s) you wish to transfer and click the icon top right,
    not sure if the icon is meant to be an arror, or a paper-plane
    select the old phone as the receiver
    verify the same pairing code is displayed on both phones

    Does this download the same apps from the Play Store or actually
    transfer the apps from one phone to the other? On the iPhone you can't

    Andy answered.

    "transfer" apps that are no longer available on the App Store.

    He might have to extract the APK from the old phone and then load it on
    the new phone.

    I might have to do that. How do I do that?

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to micky on Wed Aug 2 18:11:25 2023
    micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote

    He might have to extract the APK from the old phone and then load it on
    the new phone.

    I might have to do that. How do I do that?

    This was covered about a billion times already on this newsgroup micky.

    Seriously. I have to conclude you are stupid because someone can tell you something a thousand times and then you will _still_ ask how to do it.

    But since I care that people get their answers, I'll tell you 1 more time.

    Search http://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android and use the search
    term "extract APK" and see that you _missed_ a thousand posts on how.

    And while you _are_ an asshole (see your posts on the a.h.r newsgroup where
    you openly claimed you have every right to be an asshole on that ng), I'm
    not - as I do care that people get the information tehy need.

    Even if they're incredibly stupid like you are micky.

    Here's the general-purpose link you missed a thousand times already. https://play.google.com/store/search?q=extract%20apk&c=apps

    Steve needs to add this to his spreadsheet since the iPhone can't do this.
    Also note that we covered in depth the BEST apps to do that extraction.

    Look it up to see that you _missed_ it a thousand times, micky.
    --
    Waiting a few seconds for you to ask the same question over & over again. Forever.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to micky on Wed Aug 2 17:57:28 2023
    micky wrote:

    This sounded perfect and your directions were great, but I tried and it
    only offers to send 12 of them

    I wonder what makes these suitable and not the other 100.

    It'll only do apps that are un-paid ones.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to sms on Wed Aug 2 17:34:42 2023
    sms wrote:

    Does this download the same apps from the Play Store or actually
    transfer the apps from one phone to the other?

    The sending phone does upload the actual .apk, not just a reference to
    it within the store, I don't think the phones transfer directly between
    each other, presumably use some storage on google.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to usenet@andyburns.uk on Wed Aug 2 13:31:00 2023
    In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 2 Aug 2023 17:57:28 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    micky wrote:

    This sounded perfect and your directions were great, but I tried and it
    only offers to send 12 of them

    I wonder what makes these suitable and not the other 100.

    It'll only do apps that are un-paid ones.

    Makes sense. But most of the others are unpaid. (Only 5 or 6 are paid)
    Maybe it won't do apps that have updates pending, like 88 of mine did.
    No, that makes no sense. People would want to copy favorite old versions
    from an old phone, instead of the new version from the app store. Plus
    these two ringtone programs were both free.

    It's only ringtones. I'll find another. It would have saved me time to
    use the old apps, and I dl'd a new loud ringtone app and didn't
    understand it. "-(



    THIS JUST IN: I got mixed up. After I updated 88 apps on the new phone,
    it's ready to send 110 apps, including... the two ringtone apps I
    thought I didnt' have. Very very sorry -- I'll make it up to you
    somehow -- but I learned a lot and so did the Real Bev. I thought I
    didn't have them because their ringtones weren't offered to me when I
    tried to change a tone, like they were on the previous phone.

    Back to the old phone, it's read to send 13 now, not just 12. It added
    MB TV. No idea why.



    1:05, ... 1:30

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to micky on Wed Aug 2 10:24:39 2023
    On 8/2/2023 9:56 AM, micky wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 2 Aug 2023 09:31:25 -0700, sms

    <snip>

    I might have to do that. How do I do that?

    See <https://techwiser.com/extract-apk-android/>

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Aug 2 18:41:09 2023
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote

    This sounded perfect and your directions were great, but I tried and it
    only offers to send 12 of them

    I wonder what makes these suitable and not the other 100.

    It'll only do apps that are un-paid ones.

    Since I care that everyone benefits, there's another approach which is to
    run a program that lists all the apps that are on the phone to a text file.

    That text file will contain the URL to the app so all you need, using that method, is to copy that text file from phone 1 to phone 1 and click links.

    Bear in mind there is no one app that tells you all the apps on the phone. Well, there is, but most people aren't using that one FOSS app I know of.

    So it's a practical statement that the OP doesn't even _know_ what apps are
    on the phone (and if anyone thinks the Google Play Store apps knows, it
    doesn't either - since it only will update the apps it wants to update).

    However, we covered in depth many times the apps that DO list all apps (particularly in terms of updating them outside of the Google Play Store
    update mechanism which, as I said, is so flawed as to be unreliable).

    As discussed on this newsgroup many times (particularly since the iPhone
    can't even list all the apps to an editable file - something that easy!),
    the OP can run one of the apps that lists all the apps to a text file.

    Normally that text file has _all_ the correct links to _where_ they came
    from (which, for the OP, is likely only the Google Play Store) but for
    others it may include F-Droid locations also.

    In my case, since I don't use the Google Play Store, the links are all
    wrong but they're useful to most people who do use the Google Play Store.

    Since I'm always trying to be helpful, even for the idiots like micky,
    here is one app that will list (most of) your apps in a useable format. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.onyxbits.listmyapps

    With List My Apps, the task becomes as easy as checking the app(s) you want
    to recommend and sharing them as:

    Plain text
    HTML list (e.g. for blog comments)
    BBCode list (used by many forums)
    Markdown list (e.g. for Reddit)
    Market URL (e.g. for direct sharing via barcode scanner app
    or importing in Raccoon: http://www.onyxbits.de/raccoon)
    Any custom format, defined through the build-in template editor.

    This one says it will share the apps from phone 1 to phone 2 over BT. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jenos.shareapkfile

    Almost never will any app I suggest contain ads or cost money BTW. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=sk.styk.martin.apkanalyzer

    Apk Analyzer is the most downloaded apk analysis app on Google Play. It provides detailed report of installed apps and also about not installed
    .apk files from your device storage.
    It's open source and completely ad free.

    App report contains:
    App naming and version data
    Target and minimal Android versions
    Install and update dates
    Certificate and app sign data
    Used permissions with description
    Activities with launch option
    Services, Broadcast Receivers and Content Providers
    Required and optional hardware features
    Full version of AndroidManifest.xml with save option

    Installed apps can be saved to device storage and shared. App icon can be
    saved as well! App decodes the main metadata file AndroidManifest and saves
    it as a readable xml to an external storage.

    Apk Analyzer shows you an app report even before installing from APK file.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com on Wed Aug 2 13:43:17 2023
    In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 02 Aug 2023 13:31:00 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:


    THIS JUST IN: I got mixed up. After I updated 88 apps on the new phone,
    it's ready to send 110 apps, including... the two ringtone apps I
    thought I didnt' have. Very very sorry -- I'll make it up to you
    somehow -- but I learned a lot and so did the Real Bev. I thought I
    didn't have them because their ringtones weren't offered to me when I
    tried to change a tone, like they were on the previous phone.

    FYI, in case you care: With this Xiaomi phone, when I go
    Settings/Ringtones, it offers me a choice of Choose local ringtones, or Pre-installed ringtones. Neither includeds the 2 apps or the app I
    dl'd last night. I thought it did on the previous, Samsung phone.

    I can go to one of the Loud Ringtone apps, play the sounds first and
    install them there, and that worked. When I called my phone I got the
    new tone, but in the settings it just says Ringtone 8192, like it did yesterday. A bug in Xiaomi I think and part of the reason I got
    confused.

    Anyhow, to set an externally loaded tone, need to do so from the
    externally loaded app.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Wed Aug 2 13:49:55 2023
    In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 2 Aug 2023 10:24:39 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    On 8/2/2023 9:56 AM, micky wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 2 Aug 2023 09:31:25 -0700, sms

    <snip>

    I might have to do that. How do I do that?

    See <https://techwiser.com/extract-apk-android/>

    Thanks. I will need this for my next phone, since the two loud ringtone
    apps that I like are no longer in the appstore, afaict. They redid the appstore format a few months ago and I don't like it anymore.

    And thanks Andy.

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to micky on Wed Aug 2 15:06:55 2023
    micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote

    FYI, in case you care: With this Xiaomi phone, when I go
    Settings/Ringtones, it offers me a choice of Choose local ringtones, or Pre-installed ringtones. Neither includeds the 2 apps or the app I
    dl'd last night. I thought it did on the previous, Samsung phone.

    I can go to one of the Loud Ringtone apps, play the sounds first and
    install them there, and that worked. When I called my phone I got the
    new tone, but in the settings it just says Ringtone 8192, like it did yesterday. A bug in Xiaomi I think and part of the reason I got
    confused.

    Anyhow, to set an externally loaded tone, need to do so from the
    externally loaded app.

    Are you sure you need a specific "ringtone app" for what you want to do?

    I don't play with ringtones, but when my kids were in their teens, I used
    to make customized phone caller ringtones for them like "I'm a Barbie
    Girl... Life in Plastic... It's fantastic", etc. tied to the caller id.

    What I did at the time was take any song that they liked, and I would snip
    out 20 or 30 seconds with Audacity, and set the audacity filters like the
    upper and lower freq limits and the decibels, and save it as an MP3 file.

    Then I would set it as the customer ringtone for any given caller ID.
    I don't see why that can't still be done even today.

    Steve should add this if he hasn't already to his comparison doc.

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to micky on Wed Aug 2 14:33:22 2023
    micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote

    Thanks. I will need this for my next phone, since the two loud ringtone
    apps that I like are no longer in the appstore, afaict. They redid the appstore format a few months ago and I don't like it anymore.

    Another method is to use the Aurora front end to the Google Play Store.
    That automatically saves the FULL INSTALLER onto your sd card for you.

    Every app you install using the Aurora front end to the Google Play Store
    app, is saved wherever you set it to save it (internal or external memory).

    When you get a new phone, you pop out the sdcard temporarily and put it
    into the new phone and tap onto each of the previously saved full APKs.

    Then you can return the sdcard to the original phone like it was before.
    Or leave the sdcard in the new phone (another thing iPhones just can't do).

    Steve should add that capability to re-install all the original apps to his comparison between Android and iOS since only Android autosaves the APK.

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to micky on Wed Aug 2 14:54:35 2023
    micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote

    Makes sense. But most of the others are unpaid. (Only 5 or 6 are paid) Maybe it won't do apps that have updates pending, like 88 of mine did.
    No, that makes no sense. People would want to copy favorite old versions
    from an old phone, instead of the new version from the app store. Plus
    these two ringtone programs were both free.

    It's only ringtones. I'll find another. It would have saved me time to
    use the old apps, and I dl'd a new loud ringtone app and didn't
    understand it. "-(

    Bear in mind Google Play Store does not update all the installed apps.
    It's not even close.

    We covered, in this newsgroup, many times, micky - how to update all apps.
    You could run that - and you'd _know_ exactly what updates are needed.

    You run the app.
    It compares the app you have installed to what's available on Google Play.
    And it tells you the delta.

    It tells you whether the app is available anymore.
    And what versions are available too.

    It's your choice if you want to update each individual app after that.
    This has been covered, many times, on this newsgroup.

    Run a search on http://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android
    Use a search term like "update apps" or something along those lines.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Wed Aug 2 15:11:04 2023
    In article <uae0cs$5jeu$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    On the iPhone you can't
    "transfer" apps that are no longer available on the App Store.

    another false claim from you.

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Aug 2 15:59:13 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.ipad

    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote

    On the iPhone you can't
    "transfer" apps that are no longer available on the App Store.

    another false claim from you.

    Steve is correct that Apple's restrictive walled garden prevents this.
    For whatever reason, nospam is either ignorant, or a liar. Pick one.

    I'm not sure why nospam feels the need to lie about the walled garden.
    a. Steve is correct.
    b. Nospam is either ignorant or a liar (but in reality, he's a liar).

    The iPhone is horribly brain dead when it comes to doing the very many
    rather useful things you can do with a free app's APK on Android.

    For whatever reason, nospam is lying.
    The fact is Steve is correct.

    Android _never_ has to make a backup in order to reuse an app on any other Android phone. Only iOS has to make that backup before you can re-use it.

    The reason is that with Android, the backup is completely automatic!
    It's already there.

    And, if you wanted to, you can save _every_ APK version ever installed.
    That way you can re-install any free app on any Android in the world.

    There is no chance in hell of iOS being able to do that.
    All because of the walled-garden restrictions on IPAs.

    For Android, it's any phone - just only Android's registered to you.
    (In fact, only IOS _requires_ the username to be a registered component!)

    The only way on an iPhone you will ever get the same app version that you
    want is if you _saved_ that app version during a backup (e.g., iTunes).

    If you haven't expressly saved that app version during your own personal backup, then you're _never_ going to get that app onto your new device.

    Worse... much worse in fact... even if you did save that app version during
    a backup - Apple has coded your unique Apple ID into _every_ app so if you wanted to put the app on another device with a different Apple ID, you
    can't (family plans accepted).

    This is so freaking restrictive that a typical Android user would be aghast
    if they knew how horrible it is to re-install IPAs from the iPhone.

    For one, iOS can't autosave every IPA upon intallation. Android does.
    For another, iOS can't extract an IPA after installation. Android can.
    For yet another, iOS can't put that (free) app on any device. Android can.

    The most restrictive problem with the iPhone is that if the app no longer exists in the app store (in any version or in the version you like best),
    and if you didn't already make a backup of that IPA - you're dead.

    With Android, you're not.

    In summary, for whatever reason, nospam lied as Steve is correct.
    Note that both Steve and I use both platforms daily. Nospam does not.

    It's obvious not only does nospam know nothing about Android, but since
    he's wrong so many times about iOS, he's either ignorant of it, or a liar.

    Pick one.

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Aug 2 18:11:01 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.ipad

    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote

    Steve is correct that Apple's restrictive walled garden prevents this.

    wrong. nothing prevents it.

    the simple fact is that both of you do not know how and wrongly assume
    it can't be done. what's worse is it's been explained many times before
    and you still make these bogus easily debunked claims.

    You _hate_ Apple's walled garden is so restrictive that you lie about it.
    But, let's give you yet another chance to say you didn't lie when you did.

    1. Micky asked to move apps but some apps no longer exist on the app store.
    2. As with most people micky had no backup (which isn't needed on Android).
    3. Multiple people told micky he could easily extract any free app
    4. Not only that but extracted apps work on any phone (not just his ID)

    Then...

    5. Steve mentioned this trivially simple task is impossible to do with iOS
    (even though it's exactly what anyone sensible would often want to do).

    6. Then you claimed that was false.

    Yet... you lied.
    Why?

    Are you really that desperate to claim iOS can do the simplest of things?
    It can't.

    Either you are ignorant that without a backup it's impossible if the app
    (or version) isn't currently in the app store - which David Empson had to inform both you and Jolly Roger was a fact - despite your constant lies.

    Why did you lie?
    Are you desperate to defend Apple's honor, nospam?

    To the point that you'll lie about what it can do?

    Remember, both Steve and I use iOS every day (along with Android).
    You do not.

    We know the truth.
    You do not (or, you lie). Pick one.

    Why do you _hate_ truths about Apple so much that you lie to defend Apple?

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to walterjones@invalid.nospam on Wed Aug 2 18:41:02 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.ipad

    In article <uaecgv$1a0gr$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:


    On the iPhone you can't
    "transfer" apps that are no longer available on the App Store.

    another false claim from you.

    Steve is correct that Apple's restrictive walled garden prevents this.

    wrong. nothing prevents it.

    the simple fact is that both of you do not know how and wrongly assume
    it can't be done. what's worse is it's been explained many times before
    and you still make these bogus easily debunked claims.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to walterjones@invalid.nospam on Wed Aug 2 19:14:58 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.ipad

    In article <uaenoj$1b1cd$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:

    2. As with most people micky had no backup (which isn't needed on Android).

    backups are needed on any device.

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Aug 2 18:35:12 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.ipad

    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote

    2. As with most people micky had no backup (which isn't needed on Android).

    backups are needed on any device.

    Nobody is fooled but you nospam that we're talking about the apps.
    *How do I redownload and reinstall an older version of iOS app into my iPhone 4S?*
    By Ant, Oct 8, 2018 <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/56nEgAZIjGk/m/8YwHkJkCAwAJ>

    For at least five years, nospam has been lying about iOS IPA installs.
    Even David Empson had to rebuke nospam and ask him to stop lying about it.

    And that was five years ago.

    *What's interesting is _why_ nospam lies about iOS lack of functionality*

    Remember, Steve and I both use iOS every day (along with Android).
    He does not.

    He has no clue what Android can do, for example, Android...
    a. Natively backs up the APK to the phone for _every_ app automatically.
    b. Backs up the APK for every app _version_ automatically (off by default).
    c. Re-installs free APKs to _any_ phone in the world (not just your ID!).
    d. If you have sdslots, you can pop it out of phone 1 & put it in phone 2.
    e. You can then re-install every app simply by tapping on the sdcard APK.
    f. Everything goes in the EXACT folder and exact position as it was before.
    g. You can list all apps & their URLs to an editable text file if desired.
    h. You can mail that list to anyone and they can install the same apps.
    i. Simply by tapping on the links because the output is a normal HTML file.
    j. If you lost an app you can get it back even if it's not on the appstore. etc.

    All of that is _impossible_ to do on iOS, even as it's what everyone does.

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  • From Peter@21:1/5 to sms on Thu Aug 3 18:09:28 2023
    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    See <https://techwiser.com/extract-apk-android/>

    Thanks. I will need this for my next phone, since the two loud ringtone
    apps that I like are no longer in the appstore, afaict. They redid the
    appstore format a few months ago and I don't like it anymore.

    I also added this information to the document as 228a on page 115, see <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JznrWfGJDA8CYVfjSnPTwfVy8-gAC0kPyaApuJTcUNE/edit#bookmark=id.juf2r3s1jcej>.

    https://play.google.com/store/search?q=&c=apps

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to micky on Thu Aug 3 09:59:24 2023
    On 8/2/2023 10:49 AM, micky wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 2 Aug 2023 10:24:39 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    See <https://techwiser.com/extract-apk-android/>

    Thanks. I will need this for my next phone, since the two loud ringtone
    apps that I like are no longer in the appstore, afaict. They redid the appstore format a few months ago and I don't like it anymore.

    I also added this information to the document as 228a on page 115, see <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JznrWfGJDA8CYVfjSnPTwfVy8-gAC0kPyaApuJTcUNE/edit#bookmark=id.juf2r3s1jcej>.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Fri Aug 4 02:51:01 2023
    In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 3 Aug 2023 09:59:24 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    On 8/2/2023 10:49 AM, micky wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 2 Aug 2023 10:24:39 -0700, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    See <https://techwiser.com/extract-apk-android/>

    Thanks. I will need this for my next phone, since the two loud ringtone
    apps that I like are no longer in the appstore, afaict. They redid the
    appstore format a few months ago and I don't like it anymore.

    I also added this information to the document as 228a on page 115, see ><https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JznrWfGJDA8CYVfjSnPTwfVy8-gAC0kPyaApuJTcUNE/edit#bookmark=id.juf2r3s1jcej>.

    Thanks

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