• Any way to change the "Wake" word for Siri?

    From sms@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 24 16:07:32 2023
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    Any way to change the "Wake" word for Siri?

    Everything was fine until the iOS Beta 17.

    It used to be that the way to wake up Siri was to say “Hey Siri.” False wake-ups were very rare. With iOS 17, which is still in beta, now Siri
    wakes up whenever it just hears you say “Siri,” or at least that’s how it’s supposed to work!

    Ever since I installed the iOS 17 bets on my iPhone, Siri will often
    wake up upon hearing things in the background whether from other people talking, or from something it hears on the radio or television. It was
    amusing at first, now it’s a little annoying.

    I could not find a way to change the “Wake” word in iOS. On Android it’s possible, but inconvenient. It requires a paid app (Tasker) <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.dinglisch.android.taskerm> and then an ad-supported app Autovoice AutoVoice <https://joaoapps.com/autovoice/>. There used to be an app called
    OpenMic+ which did the same thing but it was kicked out of the Google
    Play store. It's on the Amazon Android App store but only will download
    to certain devices.

    I have seen some requests for a Jailbreak tweak to be able to change the
    Siri wake word but no one appears to have developed such a tweak. I just
    want to require "hey" again!

    --
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    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Mon Jul 24 19:29:29 2023
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    In article <u9n07j$qhnk$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    Any way to change the "Wake" word for Siri?

    no, and this is yet another one of your made up scenarios.

    Everything was fine until the iOS Beta 17.

    there's a reason why it's called *beta*.

    however, in this case, it's user error.

    It used to be that the way to wake up Siri was to say Hey Siri. False wake-ups were very rare. With iOS 17, which is still in beta, now Siri
    wakes up whenever it just hears you say Siri, or at least thats how
    its supposed to work!

    it's an *option*, which you have set to not require the 'hey' prefix.

    Ever since I installed the iOS 17 bets on my iPhone, Siri will often
    wake up upon hearing things in the background whether from other people talking, or from something it hears on the radio or television. It was amusing at first, now its a little annoying.

    bullshit.

    siri is trained on the user's voice so it *doesn't* false with random
    people.

    ios 17 makes 'hey' optional, which can increase the number of falses
    (fewer syllables), however, it still requires the user's voice.

    meanwhile, alexa falses when anyone says the trigger word. several
    years ago, a tv commercial exploited that, which did not go over well.

    I could not find a way to change the Wake word in iOS.

    because you didn't look (or are lying).

    On Android its
    possible, but inconvenient. It requires a paid app

    then it's not part of android.


    I have seen some requests for a Jailbreak tweak to be able to change the
    Siri wake word but no one appears to have developed such a tweak.

    bullshit you have.

    there is literally *no* reason whatsoever for a jailbreak tweak to do
    something that's already part of ios.

    I just
    want to require "hey" again!

    then configure it appropriately.

    this may come to you as as surprise, but computers do what you tell
    them to do. you told it to not require 'hey', so it's doing just that.

    tl;dr user error.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to nospam on Tue Jul 25 18:07:57 2023
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    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    meanwhile, alexa falses when anyone says the trigger word.

    Which is what you want for a home device. Especially in the kitchen.

    On a personal device like a phone, however, it makes sense to personalise
    the wake work to a user's voice.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 25 14:57:11 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <u9p31t$1697l$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:


    meanwhile, alexa falses when anyone says the trigger word.

    Which is what you want for a home device. Especially in the kitchen.

    no. just ask parents who have had their kids order all sorts of stuff.

    here's one of many: <https://www.insider.com/kids-alexa-buy-700-worth-of-toys-moms-credit-ca rd-2019-12>
    Two siblings, aged 4 and 6, gave their mother a Christmas shock
    when they bought $700 worth of gifts on her credit card, using
    virtual assistant Alexa.

    it can be set to confirm orders, but that's off by default and most
    people don't even know it exists.

    On a personal device like a phone, however, it makes sense to personalise
    the wake work to a user's voice.

    it makes sense to do that for any voice assistant, so that different
    people can have different preferences.

    for example, kids can have restricted access, such as being unable to
    buy stuff, can't access certain content, etc. for older people, 'alexa,
    call mum' will know *which* mum to call, based on who said it.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Jul 26 06:28:14 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <u9p31t$1697l$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:


    meanwhile, alexa falses when anyone says the trigger word.

    Which is what you want for a home device. Especially in the kitchen.

    no. just ask parents who have had their kids order all sorts of stuff.

    User error.

    Works perfectly fine for millions of people.

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  • From Bodger@21:1/5 to sms on Wed Jul 26 15:40:06 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 7/24/2023 7:07 PM, sms wrote:
    Any way to change the "Wake" word for Siri?

    Everything was fine until the iOS Beta 17.

    It used to be that the way to wake up Siri was to say “Hey Siri.” False wake-ups were very rare. With iOS 17, which is still in beta, now Siri
    wakes up whenever it just hears you say “Siri,” or at least that’s how it’s
    supposed to work!

    Ever since I installed the iOS 17 bets on my iPhone, Siri will often wake
    up upon hearing things in the background whether from other people talking, or from something it hears on the radio or television. It was amusing at first, now it’s a little annoying.

    I could not find a way to change the “Wake” word in iOS. On Android it’s
    possible, but inconvenient. It requires a paid app (Tasker) <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.dinglisch.android.taskerm> and then an ad-supported app Autovoice AutoVoice <https://joaoapps.com/autovoice/>. There used to be an app called OpenMic+ which did the same thing but it was kicked out of
    the Google Play store. It's on the Amazon Android App store but only will download to certain devices.

    I have seen some requests for a Jailbreak tweak to be able to change the
    Siri wake word but no one appears to have developed such a tweak. I just
    want to require "hey" again!


    It does not take a paid app to change the wake word from "Alexa". You can
    use the inbuilt options to select from four. Sure, you can't just pick something random but it does not require a foreign app to change “Alexa” to “Ziggy,” “Echo,” “Amazon,” or “Computer” which does give some leeway.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Bodger on Wed Jul 26 23:29:41 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 7/26/2023 12:40 PM, Bodger wrote:

    <snip>

    It does not take a paid app to change the wake word from "Alexa". You
    can use the inbuilt options to select from four. Sure, you can't just
    pick something random but it does not require a foreign app to change “Alexa” to “Ziggy,” “Echo,” “Amazon,” or “Computer” which does give some
    leeway.

    You're talking about Amazon Alexa, and yes, it's easy to change the wake
    word for Alexa to a choice of several different ones (and to purchase
    some others).

    For Google Assistant, it is not straightforward and for Siri it appears
    to be not possible at all, however I did find the way to at least
    restore the “hey” in settings.

    I added this to the document as 227a on page 114, see <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JznrWfGJDA8CYVfjSnPTwfVy8-gAC0kPyaApuJTcUNE/edit#bookmark=id.3u41m5z3kxry>.

    Not a lot of people have loaded the iOS 17 beta yet and once iOS 17 is
    fully released there will be a few hundred million more users that also experience the false wake ups unless Apple does something about it in
    iOS 17, like keeping the default as "Hey Siri" and making it an option
    to change it to just "Siri."

    There are also privacy issues with this iOS 17 change and I put a link
    to the article that talks about this in 227a as well.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Thu Jul 27 07:02:10 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <u9t2sn$1qfpl$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:


    For Google Assistant, it is not straightforward and for Siri it appears
    to be not possible at all, however I did find the way to at least
    restore the hey in settings.

    coincidentally, after i explained how trivial it is to do.

    Not a lot of people have loaded the iOS 17 beta yet and once iOS 17 is
    fully released there will be a few hundred million more users that also experience the false wake ups

    the difference is minor and easily remedied if it's a problem.

    unless Apple does something about it in
    iOS 17, like keeping the default as "Hey Siri" and making it an option
    to change it to just "Siri."

    there's nothing for apple to do. both choices are available.

    There are also privacy issues with this iOS 17 change and I put a link
    to the article that talks about this in 227a as well.

    there are no privacy issues with this change.

    stop with the bullshit.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to sms on Thu Jul 27 13:51:29 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-07-25 01:07, sms wrote:
    Any way to change the "Wake" word for Siri?

    Everything was fine until the iOS Beta 17.

    It used to be that the way to wake up Siri was to say “Hey Siri.” False wake-ups were very rare. With iOS 17, which is still in beta, now Siri
    wakes up whenever it just hears you say “Siri,” or at least that’s how it’s supposed to work!

    Ever since I installed the iOS 17 bets on my iPhone, Siri will often
    wake up upon hearing things in the background whether from other people talking, or from something it hears on the radio or television. It was amusing at first, now it’s a little annoying.

    I could not find a way to change the “Wake” word in iOS. On Android it’s
    possible, but inconvenient. It requires a paid app (Tasker) <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.dinglisch.android.taskerm> and then an ad-supported app Autovoice AutoVoice <https://joaoapps.com/autovoice/>. There used to be an app called OpenMic+ which did the same thing but it was kicked out of
    the Google Play store. It's on the Amazon Android App store but only will download to certain devices.

    I changed the wording on Android several years back, it was easy. No
    need to download anything. Later, I disabled the feature. I assume the
    keyword has not changed from what I set some years ago.


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    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Thu Jul 27 07:20:55 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 7/27/2023 4:51 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    <snip>

    I changed the wording on Android several years back, it was easy. No
    need to download anything. Later, I disabled the feature. I assume the keyword has not changed from what I set some years ago.

    As far as I could tell it is not possible to easily change the Google
    Assistant wake-up word. On Amazon Alexa you can change it to one of a
    handful of pre-programmed choices that are included free plus a few more
    with a one time charge. As I wrote in a later post, there is a new
    setting in iOS 17 that lets you choose between "Siri" (the default) and
    "Hey Siri." I was not aware of that new setting until I did a search on
    this issue. Apple should make "Hey Siri" the default since it's much
    less likely to cause false wake-ups.

    --
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    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
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    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Thu Jul 27 11:44:42 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <u9tug7$1t5de$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    As far as I could tell it is not possible to easily change the Google Assistant wake-up word.

    originally, it was.

    <https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/6/18296858/google-assistants-hey-worst- feature-launch-phrase-settings-voices>
    ...Back in 2013, Google started selling its first branded phone, the
    Moto X, which featured a pure Android OS, snazzily colored cases and
    voice recognition tech, known then as Google Now. Several months
    after the phone launched, Google added the ability (licensed from a
    company called Sensory) to change the launch phrase from OK Google
    Now to anything you wanted. It was great. I named my phone Mr.
    Pickwick (Im a Dickens fan), and I had a friend who would happily
    launch his phone by saying, Mrs. Peel, youre needed.

    On Amazon Alexa you can change it to one of a
    handful of pre-programmed choices that are included free plus a few more
    with a one time charge. As I wrote in a later post, there is a new
    setting in iOS 17 that lets you choose between "Siri" (the default) and
    "Hey Siri." I was not aware of that new setting until I did a search on
    this issue.

    nope. you stated you *had* done a search and that it couldn't be done,
    hoping someone might create a jailbreak tweak to do it.

    Apple should make "Hey Siri" the default since it's much
    less likely to cause false wake-ups.

    not by any significant amount.

    meanwhile, google is removing the wake word *entirely* in some cases,
    but of course, you conveniently neglect to mention that.

    <https://www.tomsguide.com/news/google-assistant-may-be-saying-bye-bye-t o-hey-google>
    Quick phrases are a popular feature that were introduced with
    the Pixel 6 last year and gives Google Assistant the ability to
    listen for certain key words beyond Hey Google. For example,
    the tech giant added quick phrases like turn up the volume, what
    time is my alarm set for'' and create a reminder to the Nest Hub
    Max.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Jul 27 22:46:09 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-07-27 17:44, nospam wrote:
    In article <u9tug7$1t5de$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    As far as I could tell it is not possible to easily change the Google
    Assistant wake-up word.

    originally, it was.

    <https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/6/18296858/google-assistants-hey-worst- feature-launch-phrase-settings-voices>
    ...Back in 2013, Google started selling its first branded phone, the
    Moto X, which featured a pure Android OS, snazzily colored cases and
    voice recognition tech, known then as Google Now. Several months
    after the phone launched, Google added the ability (licensed from a
    company called Sensory) to change the launch phrase from ³OK Google
    Now² to anything you wanted. It was great. I named my phone ³Mr.
    Pickwick² (I¹m a Dickens fan), and I had a friend who would happily
    launch his phone by saying, ³Mrs. Peel, you¹re needed.²

    I think on Motorola it was done on "Moto" or "Motorola assistant" or
    similar app. I checked on my current phone: I can train it on a few
    phrases, disable saving in the cloud (for analysis by them), but not
    change the phrase. I did that, then disabled it again. But it says that
    it may be enabled by other apps, like for driving.


    (The feature I'd love, an assistant to talk to spammers, is still not available)

    ...

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to robin_listas@es.invalid on Thu Jul 27 17:17:57 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <hl1bpjx5og.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:



    (The feature I'd love, an assistant to talk to spammers, is still not available)

    yes it is.

    <https://jollyrogertelephone.com>
    We provide friendly, patient robots that talk to these rude
    telemarketers for you. They love to chit-chat, and will often
    keep nasty callers engaged for several minutes.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Jul 28 04:28:27 2023
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    On 2023-07-27, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <hl1bpjx5og.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
    <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    (The feature I'd love, an assistant to talk to spammers, is still not
    available)

    yes it is.

    <https://jollyrogertelephone.com>
    We provide friendly, patient robots that talk to these rude
    telemarketers for you. They love to chit-chat, and will often
    keep nasty callers engaged for several minutes.

    I've used this service for years and love it. 🙂👍🏼

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Jul 28 12:42:56 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-07-27 23:17, nospam wrote:
    In article <hl1bpjx5og.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:



    (The feature I'd love, an assistant to talk to spammers, is still not
    available)

    yes it is.

    <https://jollyrogertelephone.com>
    We provide friendly, patient robots that talk to these rude
    telemarketers for you. They love to chit-chat, and will often
    keep nasty callers engaged for several minutes.

    That's not the google solution.

    It is not chitchatting them, but finding out what they want, then
    allowing you to actually answer them or drop the connection.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to robin_listas@es.invalid on Fri Jul 28 08:49:31 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <gmicpjxeqa.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    (The feature I'd love, an assistant to talk to spammers, is still not
    available)

    yes it is.

    <https://jollyrogertelephone.com>
    We provide friendly, patient robots that talk to these rude
    telemarketers for you. They love to chit-chat, and will often
    keep nasty callers engaged for several minutes.

    That's not the google solution.

    It is not chitchatting them, but finding out what they want, then
    allowing you to actually answer them or drop the connection.

    it definitely chitchats them, with wildly irrelevant comments. listen
    to some of the recordings. they're quite amusing.

    <https://jollyrogertelephone.com/our-robots/>

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to sms on Fri Jul 28 13:41:16 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    sms wrote:

    "Hey Siri"


    I hate the word "Siri" and also hate talking to my phone like it's a
    person. I hate talking to automated systems on the phone when you call
    a business. I barely use Siri except for when I'm driving and want to
    listen to a voicemail or send a text message.

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Jul 28 13:56:31 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    nospam wrote:

    Any way to change the "Wake" word for Siri?

    no, and this is yet another one of your made up scenarios.

    I'm starting to think you're right.

    And the entire reason is to add something to his Google document.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Fri Jul 28 09:31:08 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 7/28/2023 6:56 AM, badgolferman wrote:

    <snip>

    And the entire reason is to add something to his Google document.

    LOL, untrue. In an open office with multiple Microsoft Teams or Google
    Meet meetings going on at the same time, and people talking the false
    wake-ups were amusing at first, then annoying.

    I was telling some people at work when they upgrade to iOS 17 to be sure
    to change the Siri settings. Sure enough I get a "mm hm?" from my phone.

    Now that I changed the setting back to "Hey Siri" those false wake-ups
    aren't an issue anymore. There was a study of false wake words for these assistants, see <https://www.cultofmac.com/716154/siri-activated-by-a-city-or-ok-jerry-reveals-study-of-false-wake-words/>:
    "“The devices are intentionally programmed in a somewhat forgiving
    manner, because they are supposed to be able to understand their humans. Therefore, they are more likely to start up once too often rather than
    not at all.”

    How hard would it be for Google and Apple to add the capability to
    select or program a different wake-up word or phrase? I had an
    application that you could program to open specific applications back in
    the MS-DOS days. I'm sure that Google is thrilled that their company
    name gets called out hundreds of millions times a day when waking up
    Google Assistant.

    Once you install iOS 17 I suspect that you'll experience the same issue
    if you turn Siri on with the default.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Fri Jul 28 15:23:22 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <ua0qge$29jgh$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    And the entire reason is to add something to his Google document.

    LOL, untrue. In an open office with multiple Microsoft Teams or Google
    Meet meetings going on at the same time, and people talking the false wake-ups were amusing at first, then annoying.

    i'll take things that never happened for $200.

    oh and let's not forget that google removed the wake word entirely in
    some cases. how much falsing is *that* going to cause?

    I was telling some people at work when they upgrade to iOS 17 to be sure
    to change the Siri settings. Sure enough I get a "mm hm?" from my phone.

    i'll take things that never happened for $400.

    Now that I changed the setting back to "Hey Siri" those false wake-ups
    aren't an issue anymore.

    i'll take things that never happened for $600.

    the simple fact is it's not an issue either way. the difference between
    'hey siri' and just 'siri' is negligible.

    There was a study of false wake words for these
    assistants, see

    <https://www.cultofmac.com/716154/siri-activated-by-a-city-or-ok-jerry-reveals-
    study-of-false-wake-words/>:
    "The devices are intentionally programmed in a somewhat forgiving
    manner, because they are supposed to be able to understand their humans. Therefore, they are more likely to start up once too often rather than
    not at all.

    you selectively quoted, as usual.

    continuing,

    In order to understand what makes these terms false triggers, the
    researchers broke the words down into their smallest possible sound
    units and identified the units that were often confused by the voice
    assistants. Based on these findings, they generated new trigger words
    and showed that these terms also activated the voice assistants.

    that's a scenario that does not happen in the real world. full stop.


    How hard would it be for Google and Apple to add the capability to
    select or program a different wake-up word or phrase?

    that won't solve the problem you claim exists.

    Once you install iOS 17 I suspect that you'll experience the same issue
    if you turn Siri on with the default.

    as usual, you suspect wrong.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Jul 28 22:51:55 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-07-28 14:49, nospam wrote:
    In article <gmicpjxeqa.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    (The feature I'd love, an assistant to talk to spammers, is still not
    available)

    yes it is.

    <https://jollyrogertelephone.com>
    We provide friendly, patient robots that talk to these rude
    telemarketers for you. They love to chit-chat, and will often
    keep nasty callers engaged for several minutes.

    That's not the google solution.

    It is not chitchatting them, but finding out what they want, then
    allowing you to actually answer them or drop the connection.

    it definitely chitchats them, with wildly irrelevant comments. listen
    to some of the recordings. they're quite amusing.

    Which is absolutely not the thing I was talking about. I don't want chitchatting them. I want serious talk with them by the robot to find
    what they want, and if they are not spammer, then and only then ring the
    bell.

    This is a Google only feature on their Pixel phones, they have not made
    it available to other users.

    I don't want my doctor to phone me on an unknown number and be pissed
    off by a nuisance robot.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Sat Jul 29 09:08:26 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 7/28/2023 6:41 AM, badgolferman wrote:
    sms wrote:

    "Hey Siri"


    I hate the word "Siri" and also hate talking to my phone like it's a
    person. I hate talking to automated systems on the phone when you call
    a business. I barely use Siri except for when I'm driving and want to
    listen to a voicemail or send a text message.

    I used to rarely use it, but I find that it's more convenient than
    dialing a phone number or looking it up in contacts.

    I have one of those Google Assistant devices at home that I use often.
    Google Assistant is so much better than Siri in terms of usefulness and accuracy.


    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Sat Jul 29 09:59:41 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 7/28/2023 1:51 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    <snip>

    This is a Google only feature on their Pixel phones, they have not made
    it available to other users.

    I suspect that Google has patented the "Call Screen" feature that is on
    the Pixel and has no intention of making it part of stock Android. It's
    one of the few big selling points for the Pixel phones, at least for
    those who understand how it works, and Google probably doesn't want
    Samsung, Motorola, etc., (or Apple!), to have it.

    I cover Pixel’s “Call Screen” on the Pixel device in 214a in the document. <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JznrWfGJDA8CYVfjSnPTwfVy8-gAC0kPyaApuJTcUNE/edit#bookmark=id.7uqr3urbenso>.

    “Call Screen (Google Pixel only) is not really an Android feature, but
    it’s incredibly useful. Call Screen analyzes the caller’s phone number
    to determine if it’s a spam call and declines those calls automatically.
    As Android Police states: “The robocall and spam screening feature is
    much more robust than Google's normal spam database.”

    If Call Screen doesn’t know if it’s a spam call, but suspects it, then
    it queries the caller as to the reason for the call and presents you
    with a transcript of the caller’s responses, then you can decide what to
    do with the call; answer it, send it to voicemail, or have Google
    Assistant ask more questions of the caller to determine what to do with
    the call. It’s likely that Call Screen is a patented feature that Google
    has no intention of allowing other Android device makers (or Apple) to use.”

    There is a Jailbreak Tweak called "LetMeDecline" <https://www.idownloadblog.com/2019/12/18/letmedecline/> for Jailbroken iPhones, but it doesn't automatically screen calls, it just lets you
    decline calls from the screen when the phone is locked. If someone could
    write a Tweak that duplicates Google's "Call Screen" that would be
    awesome but it probably is not something that is possible to do because analyzing phone numbers to determine if it's a spam call or robocall
    would not be possible.

    Note that you can get some call screening features by using a Google
    Voice number forwarded to your carrier number instead of using your
    carrier number directly.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Sat Jul 29 14:15:42 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <ua3ghv$2lqau$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:


    I suspect that Google has patented the "Call Screen" feature that is on
    the Pixel and has no intention of making it part of stock Android.

    there's that overused patent claim.

    cite a patent number or admit it's bullshit.

    It's
    one of the few big selling points for the Pixel phones, at least for
    those who understand how it works,

    no, it very definitely isn't one of the 'few big selling points' for
    pixel phones, which don't sell that well at all.

    and Google probably doesn't want
    Samsung, Motorola, etc., (or Apple!), to have it.

    more fabricated bullshit.



    Call Screen (Google Pixel only) is not really an Android feature, but
    its incredibly useful. Call Screen analyzes the callers phone number
    to determine if its a spam call and declines those calls automatically.

    that's not unique to pixel.

    t-mobile shows a verified mark if the call is non-spam.

    various voip providers offer spam detection and filtering.

    numerous ios apps offer spam detection and filtering.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to nospam on Sat Jul 29 21:47:46 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-07-29 20:15, nospam wrote:
    In article <ua3ghv$2lqau$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:


    I suspect that Google has patented the "Call Screen" feature that is on
    the Pixel and has no intention of making it part of stock Android.

    there's that overused patent claim.

    cite a patent number or admit it's bullshit.

    It's
    one of the few big selling points for the Pixel phones, at least for
    those who understand how it works,

    no, it very definitely isn't one of the 'few big selling points' for
    pixel phones, which don't sell that well at all.

    and Google probably doesn't want
    Samsung, Motorola, etc., (or Apple!), to have it.

    more fabricated bullshit.



    ³Call Screen (Google Pixel only) is not really an Android feature, but
    it¹s incredibly useful. Call Screen analyzes the caller¹s phone number
    to determine if it¹s a spam call and declines those calls automatically.

    that's not unique to pixel.

    t-mobile shows a verified mark if the call is non-spam.

    various voip providers offer spam detection and filtering.

    numerous ios apps offer spam detection and filtering.

    Nay. There is nothing like Google's Call Screen, which is only available
    on Pixel phones.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to robin_listas@es.invalid on Sat Jul 29 16:29:20 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <207gpjxnd8.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


    Nay. There is nothing like Google's Call Screen, which is only available
    on Pixel phones.

    the goal is to filter out spam calls, with various methods of
    accomplishing that, each with advantages and disadvantages.

    google's call screen actually answers the call, which means the called
    number is flagged as active, resulting in future calls.

    other methods send it to a reorder, which flags it as not in service,
    thereby removing it from the call lists, reducing future calls.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to nospam on Sat Jul 29 23:27:04 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-07-29 22:29, nospam wrote:
    In article <207gpjxnd8.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


    Nay. There is nothing like Google's Call Screen, which is only available
    on Pixel phones.

    the goal is to filter out spam calls, with various methods of
    accomplishing that, each with advantages and disadvantages.

    No.

    *MY* goal is exactly Google's Call Screen. I want that one. Not any other.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to robin_listas@es.invalid on Sat Jul 29 17:59:24 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <8qcgpjxt6t.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    Nay. There is nothing like Google's Call Screen, which is only available >> on Pixel phones.

    the goal is to filter out spam calls, with various methods of
    accomplishing that, each with advantages and disadvantages.

    No.

    *MY* goal is exactly Google's Call Screen. I want that one. Not any other.

    it might fit *your* needs, however, others make different choices.

    no method is perfect.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Sat Jul 29 15:41:07 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 7/29/2023 12:47 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    <snip>

    Nay. There is nothing like Google's Call Screen, which is only available
    on Pixel phones.

    nospam is wrong of course™

    An app can't do what Google's Call Screen does, it has to be built into
    the operating system.

    Given the significance and desirability of the Call Screen feature, and
    the fact that no other phones, either Android or iPhone, have anything
    like it, it's likely that Google has patented this system or they have
    licensed it from a third party.

    Unfortunately, according to Google, the Pixel's automatic call screening
    is only available in the U.S. while manual call screening on the Pixel
    is available in Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy,
    Japan, Spain, UK, and US.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Sat Jul 29 18:58:24 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <ua44i6$2nm22$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:


    An app can't do what Google's Call Screen does,

    nobody said it was exactly the same, liar.

    there are various methods of blocking spam calls (which is the end
    goal), each of which has advantages and disadvantages.

    Given the significance and desirability of the Call Screen feature, and
    the fact that no other phones,

    if it's so significant and desirable, why is it that pixel phones are
    not among the best selling phones?

    either Android or iPhone, have anything
    like it, it's likely that Google has patented this system or they have licensed it from a third party.

    nope, and your patent and licensing claims are pure bullshit and you
    know it.

    the reason is simple: it's because there are more effective methods
    that can block spam calls from ever ringing the phone in the first
    place. google *can't* use those methods, so they're forced to come up
    with something that sounds clever, but doesn't actually work that well
    in practice.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to nospam on Sun Jul 30 03:22:50 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-07-29 23:59, nospam wrote:
    In article <8qcgpjxt6t.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    Nay. There is nothing like Google's Call Screen, which is only available >>>> on Pixel phones.

    the goal is to filter out spam calls, with various methods of
    accomplishing that, each with advantages and disadvantages.

    No.

    *MY* goal is exactly Google's Call Screen. I want that one. Not any other.

    it might fit *your* needs, however, others make different choices.

    I don't care about what others here say, others are simply mistaken.
    Google's Call Screen is the best in existence and I want it. And I said
    so, three days ago. Don't try to sell me something else as you keep doing.

    Others make different choice simply because Google's Call Screen is not available to them.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to robin_listas@es.invalid on Sat Jul 29 22:46:59 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <akqgpjx8n2.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    *MY* goal is exactly Google's Call Screen. I want that one. Not any other.

    it might fit *your* needs, however, others make different choices.

    I don't care about what others here say, others are simply mistaken.

    they are not mistaken in their choices.

    Google's Call Screen is the best in existence and I want it.

    maybe best for you, however, others have different needs and
    preferences and will choose what's best for them.

    And I said
    so, three days ago. Don't try to sell me something else as you keep doing.

    i'm not selling anyone anything.

    the simple fact is that there are various methods of filtering out spam
    calls, each with their own advantages and disadvantages. what's best
    for one person is not necessarily best for another.

    a major disadvantage of google call screen is that it answers the call,
    which as i said, flags it as an active number, resulting in more spam
    calls overall. it also incurs airtime charges, which may be an issue
    for some users.

    a major advantage of spam filtering upstream is that the phone never
    rings, and if it's sent to a reorder, the number will be flagged as not
    in service, which then is removed from the various lists, resulting in dramatically fewer spam calls, making a more effective long term
    strategy.

    more than one method is also an option. nothing guarantees zero spam
    calls.

    Others make different choice simply because Google's Call Screen is not available to them.

    nope, even those who have call screen don't necessarily use it.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Sun Jul 30 09:21:01 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-07-29 21:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    I don't care about what others here say, others are simply mistaken.
    Google's Call Screen is the best in existence and I want it.

    You sound like the kids arguing about Matchbox v. Hot Wheels when I was 6.

    --
    “If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
    -Ronald Coase

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Sun Jul 30 09:35:41 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 7/29/2023 6:22 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    <snip>

    I don't care about what others here say, others are simply mistaken.
    Google's Call Screen is the best in existence and I want it. And I said
    so, three days ago. Don't try to sell me something else as you keep doing

    <snip>

    It's hard to imagine Google adding the Pixel's Call Screen feature to
    stock Android. It's a defining feature of the Pixel line, one of the few features that set it apart from other mid-range to flagship Android
    devices. Nor is it possible to add this capability using an app.

    It's possible that some other Android manufacturer, or Apple, could
    develop a similar feature if Google doesn't have a patent on it but this
    is such a compelling feature it's hard to imagine that it isn't
    patented. Patent wars are nasty, remember the Apple 5G modem fiasco
    where it turned out that even if they succeed at developing a 5G modem,
    there are Qualcomm patents that they need that Qualcomm won't license
    (at least not at a low price), and that don't expire until 2029 <https://www.patentlyapple.com/2022/06/apple-not-releasing-their-own-5g-modem-chip-relates-to-a-long-standing-patent-battle-with-qualcomm-and-not-because-of-a-devel.html>.

    Not sure about Spain, but in the U.S. the Pixel phones are perpetually
    on sale. My Verizon MVNO offers the 6a for $199.99, both online and in
    stores <https://www.walmart.com/ip/2551311937>, unlocked 60 days after activation; if you're not a customer of that MVNO you'd pay $30 more to activate it. The 6a is last year's model but it's still at the top of
    mid-range Android phones (or at the bottom of flagship Android phones).

    If you buy Pixel devices online from the Google Store they're more
    expensive, but Google periodically offers very high trade-in values. You
    could buy a used iPhone to trade in and still net $150-200 off after subtracting the cost of the used iPhone. I traded in my iPhone Xr for
    the Pixel 7 Pro and got $410 off. $410 is way more than I had paid for
    my Xr new, just a year earlier.

    On the other hand, one _really_ annoying thing about the Pixel phones
    that Google did was to disable HDMI out through the USB-C port. Why?
    Because they want you to use a Chromecast to connect wirelessly to a television. The workaround is a $31.99 Wavlink USB to HDMI converter
    (not adapter) <https://www.ebay.com/itm/234132498678> plus a USB-A to
    USB-C adapter—clunky and expensive compared to a simple USB-C to HDMI adapter.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Sun Jul 30 13:28:39 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <ua63gv$2vq2s$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:


    It's possible that some other Android manufacturer, or Apple, could
    develop a similar feature if Google doesn't have a patent on it but this
    is such a compelling feature it's hard to imagine that it isn't
    patented.

    cite a patent number.

    any time you claim patents, it's a clear indication that you are
    bullshitting.

    Patent wars are nasty, remember the Apple 5G modem fiasco

    that was completely different, and unlike your bogus claim above,
    actually has patent numbers and lawsuits.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to sms on Sun Jul 30 22:44:32 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-07-30 18:35, sms wrote:
    On 7/29/2023 6:22 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    <snip>

    I don't care about what others here say, others are simply mistaken.
    Google's Call Screen is the best in existence and I want it. And I
    said so, three days ago. Don't try to sell me something else as you
    keep doing

    <snip>

    It's hard to imagine Google adding the Pixel's Call Screen feature to
    stock Android. It's a defining feature of the Pixel line, one of the few features that set it apart from other mid-range to flagship Android
    devices. Nor is it possible to add this capability using an app.

    It's possible that some other Android manufacturer, or Apple, could
    develop a similar feature if Google doesn't have a patent on it but this
    is such a compelling feature it's hard to imagine that it isn't
    patented. Patent wars are nasty, remember the Apple 5G modem fiasco
    where it turned out that even if they succeed at developing a 5G modem,
    there are Qualcomm patents that they need that Qualcomm won't license
    (at least not at a low price), and that don't expire until 2029 <https://www.patentlyapple.com/2022/06/apple-not-releasing-their-own-5g-modem-chip-relates-to-a-long-standing-patent-battle-with-qualcomm-and-not-because-of-a-devel.html>.

    We'll find out in a few years :-)




    Not sure about Spain, but in the U.S. the Pixel phones are  perpetually
    on sale. My Verizon MVNO offers the 6a for $199.99, both online and in
    stores <https://www.walmart.com/ip/2551311937>, unlocked 60 days after activation; if you're not a customer of that MVNO you'd pay $30 more to activate it. The 6a is last year's model but it's still at the top of mid-range Android phones (or at the bottom of flagship Android phones).

    If you buy Pixel devices online from the Google Store they're more
    expensive, but Google periodically offers very high trade-in values. You could buy a used iPhone to trade in and still net $150-200 off after subtracting the cost of the used iPhone. I traded in my iPhone Xr for
    the Pixel 7 Pro and got $410 off. $410 is way more than I had paid for
    my Xr new, just a year earlier.

    I'll have an open eye for pixel offerings - but my current phone is
    relatively new so I don't think I will do that anytime soon.

    Normally, Pixels are way above my 250€ bracket.



    On the other hand, one _really_ annoying thing about the Pixel phones
    that Google did was to disable HDMI out through the USB-C port. Why?
    Because they want you to use a Chromecast to connect wirelessly to a television. The workaround is a $31.99 Wavlink USB to HDMI converter
    (not adapter) <https://www.ebay.com/itm/234132498678> plus a USB-A to
    USB-C adapter—clunky and expensive compared to a simple USB-C to HDMI adapter.
    Not a problem, I have a chromecast :-p

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Bodger@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Sun Jul 30 19:23:12 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 7/28/2023 9:41 AM, badgolferman wrote:
    sms wrote:

    "Hey Siri"


    I hate the word "Siri" and also hate talking to my phone like it's a
    person. I hate talking to automated systems on the phone when you call
    a business. I barely use Siri except for when I'm driving and want to
    listen to a voicemail or send a text message.

    Thinking about it, I seem to talk mostly to myself, Alexa and the squirrels that congregate on the back deck. I figure that as long as the squirrels
    don't start answering me then I'm alright...

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 4 08:54:42 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 7/30/2023 1:44 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    <snip>

    "Pixel Spam Screening Improved My Life"

    <https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/ytjfd3/pixel_spam_screening_improved_my_life/>

    The robo spam calls on my iPhone are getting more frequent. About to
    swap SIM cards and make my Pixel 7 Pro my main phone.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to sms on Fri Aug 4 09:56:29 2023
    On 8/4/2023 8:54 AM, sms wrote:

    "Pixel Spam Screening Improved My Life"

    <https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/ytjfd3/pixel_spam_screening_improved_my_life/>

    "...the spammers come face to face with the screening robot..."

    I'm not sure I want my family and/or business/doctor associates being
    grilled by a robot...

    The robo spam calls on my iPhone are getting more frequent. About to
    swap SIM cards and make my Pixel 7 Pro my main phone.

    I just use the do not disturb function on my phone. It lets my contacts
    right through as normal but won't ring the phone for anyone else (blocks
    spam). And Voicemail still works for a good number not yet entered in
    contacts. Surprisingly very very few spam calls wait for voicemail. I
    know cause I can see them later listed as missed calls. IF I'm expecting
    an important call that might be from an unexpected number on a
    particular day I just temporarily turn off do not disturb and take my
    chances. On my phone I can easily do it from the lock screen (locked or
    not). I realize this system won't work for everybody cause as always YMMV...

    Perhaps you could use do not disturb AND the robot? Contacts get through
    and the rest get the robot? That seems like it might be the best of both worlds...

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to AJL on Fri Aug 4 10:04:39 2023
    On 8/4/2023 9:56 AM, AJL wrote:
    On 8/4/2023 8:54 AM, sms wrote:

    "Pixel Spam Screening Improved My Life"

    <https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/ytjfd3/pixel_spam_screening_improved_my_life/>

    "...the spammers come face to face with the screening robot..."

    I'm not sure I want my family and/or business/doctor associates being
    grilled by a robot...

    They would not be.

    I just use the do not disturb function on my phone.

    DND would not be acceptable for my usage. Or for most people I suspect.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From AJL@21:1/5 to sms on Fri Aug 4 18:01:32 2023
    On 8/4/23 10:04 AM, sms wrote:
    On 8/4/2023 9:56 AM, AJL wrote:
    On 8/4/2023 8:54 AM, sms wrote:

    "Pixel Spam Screening Improved My Life"

    <https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/ytjfd3/pixel_spam_screening_improved_my_life/>

    "...the spammers come face to face with the screening robot..."

    I'm not sure I want my family and/or business/doctor associates being
    grilled by a robot...

    They would not be.

    I just use the do not disturb function on my phone.

    DND would not be acceptable for my usage. Or for most people I suspect.

    I guess you missed the YMMV you snipped...

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Fri Aug 4 17:57:49 2023
    In article <uajb36$1bnds$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    "...the spammers come face to face with the screening robot..."

    I'm not sure I want my family and/or business/doctor associates being grilled by a robot...

    They would not be.

    yes they would.

    I just use the do not disturb function on my phone.

    DND would not be acceptable for my usage. Or for most people I suspect.

    dnd works quite well for most people.

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