In article <ki78otF1ro8U2@mid.individual.net>, Andy Burns
<usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

It might be helpful if there were a standard series of batteries and connectors, rather than every phone having a unique battery?

that would greatly limit what device makers can design.

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In article <u9n2kh$qr2b$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

Yes, I've had floppy/HD/battery modules that insert into an optical bay, but my current laptops only have M.2 slots.

Yes, that was back in the olden days. I have a Thinkpad with an
"Ultrabay" that could do that. I wonder how many of those batteries that
they ever sold.

very few.

npd research found that fewer than 5% of users bought a spare battery
(and of those, they were not commonly used).

What I really liked about the old Thinkpads and Dell Latitudes, and
Compaq business machines were the docks that you just dropped the laptop
onto and all the connections were made for the charger and peripherals, including monitors, keyboards, and mice.

few people did that too. otherwise, it would still be offered.

My latest laptop is a Lenovo with a Core i9 processor and I can use the Thunderbolt port for a USB-C dock with HDMI, VGA, USB ports, sound, SD,
and MicroSD cards, but not for USB-C PD charging because it uses too
much power for that (the charger is 170 watts).

that's a design defect.

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In article <u9p27e$166af$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

The modern equivalent is Thunderbolt4, plugging a single type-C cable
into the laptop supplies ~100W of power and connects dual monitors, multigig ethernet and a whole host of USB peripherals ...

Yeah, almost as good, but the docks were great and widely used in the business environment, almost everyone at work had a laptop with a dock.
You connected to wired Ethernet, a monitor, keyboard, mouse, and headset
in one fell swoop. It was one reason why Thinkpads and Dell Latitudes
became the defacto laptops for business and why the Macbooks were never
used much in the business, commercial, or government IT environments.

no, that's not why, at least long ago.

it's very different now, where macbooks are *very* common, and there
are docks for them too.

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In article <u9tuum$1t5de$2@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

I suppose that the manufacturer could use tiny screws instead of glue,
and use gaskets for waterproofing that were easier to replace, but that
would increase manufacturing costs.

batteries aren't glued and screws require depth and if near the battery
can pierce it.

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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote

I suppose that the manufacturer could use tiny screws instead of glue,
and use gaskets for waterproofing that were easier to replace, but that
would increase manufacturing costs.

batteries aren't glued and screws require depth and if near the battery
can pierce it.

There is only one reason Apple makes it so hard to replace the battery.

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In article <ua39ss$3r0k7$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:

There is only one reason Apple makes it so hard to replace the battery.

it's actually relatively easy.

although not a phone, microsoft surface is far, far more difficult.

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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote

There is only one reason Apple makes it so hard to replace the battery.

it's actually relatively easy.

although not a phone, microsoft surface is far, far more difficult.

If you do it at home, how do you unlock Apple's battery lock code
(without purchasing expensive specialized equipment to unlock it)?

Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair <https://www.ifixit.com/News/32343/apple-is-locking-batteries-to-iphones-now>

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In article <ua3rja$bet5$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:

If you do it at home, how do you unlock Apple's battery lock code

not needed, other than displaying battery health, which is not a
critical function (and most people don't even know it exists).

(without purchasing expensive specialized equipment to unlock it)?

apple provides that *for* *free* for those who want to do it on their
own.

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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote

If you do it at home, how do you unlock Apple's battery lock code

not needed, other than displaying battery health, which is not a
critical function (and most people don't even know it exists).

Since you're ignorant of this battery lock - you expect others to be too.
*Apple is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Independent Repair*
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez3f1HgOa1o>

Hence it's interesting how you excuse Apple's battery lock by saying it
will always be there in your face - but you yourself can't even see it.
*Apple is at it again with more anti-consumer behavior*
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-locking-down-iphone-batteries/>

Everyone on the planet knows about this battery lock nospam - except you.
*Apple Software Locking iPhone Batteries to Prevent Replacement*
<https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/296387-apple-has-begun-software-locking-iphone-batteries-to-prevent-third-party-replacement>
Apple in yet another attempt to prevent owners from replacing their
own batteries is now locking its iPhone batteries. Third-party
replacements will not report their battery health properly,
even if you use an official Apple iPhone battery."

(without purchasing expensive specialized equipment to unlock it)?

apple provides that *for* *free* for those who want to do it on their
own.

You can lie all you want to the Apple newsgroup posters, but the Android
owners can read the articles above which prove that you are lying.

But let's give you a chance to prove that you're not lying again, nospam.
Given the software lock happens whether or not it's an Apple battery...

Show us a reference that you can buy any battery you want to buy (which
should cost you all of twenty bucks or so), and Apple will register it?

Even if you buy (the expensive but crappy) Apple batteries, show us where
if you replace it yourself, that Apple will unlock the lock code for you.

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In article <ua63nr$2vq2s$3@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

The other issue, which we've seen mentioned both on this forum, and
you'll see in Reddit forums and Howard Forums, is broken charge ports.

people don't post about charge ports that aren't broken, which is
nearly all of them since that failure mode is relatively rare.

However this was for Micro USB and Lightning, USB-C is much more robust.

nope. lightning is the most robust of the three.

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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote

However this was for Micro USB and Lightning, USB-C is much more robust.

nope. lightning is the most robust of the three.

Arguably the micro-USB was the least robust (due to the directional nubs).
But the argument of which is more robust, lightning or USB-C, went poof.

Nobody wants to be caught dead with the nonstandard Apple connector lately.
Not even Apple.

Lightning is garbage nowadays.

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In article <ua8k22$3aa3n$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

For a single device, the power wasted is minimal. However, the
aggregation of millions of such device is not.

It is still minimal.

it adds up, and it's not as minimal as you claim.

Plus factor in the energy of manufacturing more new
phones

irrelevant.

because people trade in their phones because of a broken charging
port,

very few people do that because that failure mode is not common.

or buy additional USB cables because of breakage.

cables are cheap and has nothing to do with making more phones.

A while ago I did an experiment with two of my phones to measure the
extra electricity used by wireless charging. It took about 24-31% more electricity for wireless charging,

your numbers are wrong.

<https://debugger.medium.com/wireless-charging-is-a-disaster-waiting-to- happen-48afdde70ed9>
Charging the phone from completely dead to 100% using a cable took
an average of 14.26 watt-hours (Wh). Using a wireless charger took,
on average, 21.01 Wh. That comes out to slightly more than 47% more
energy for the convenience of not plugging in a cable. In other
words, the phone had to work harder, generate more heatŠ

and that's when it's aligned. it's worse when it's not, which is the
usual situation (other than apple's magsafe).

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In article <ua8k6m$3aa3n$2@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

It's also less efficient and wastes energy.

Yes.

Wrong: Read the laws of thermodynamics.

you should do that yourself, since the laws of thermodynamics do not
support your claim.

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