• Does it really matter all that much what bands are supported by USA cel

    From Ashton Cook@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 14 12:42:25 2023
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    This article makes it seem like a "big deal" what bands you have. https://android.gadgethacks.com/news/all-phones-work-t-mobiles-600-mhz-band-71-network-0191865/

    But when I run this intent to allow me to select available T-Mobile bands com.samsung.android.app.telephonyui.hiddennetworksetting.MainActivity

    I get the option to select any of these choices manually if I wanted to.

    Automatic
    GSM ALL
    WCDMA ALL
    LTE ALL
    GSM/WCDMA
    WCDMA/LTE
    GSM/WCDMA/LTE

    With a further option to select any of these specific bands, if I want to.

    Band Selection Mode
    LTE B1 Preferred
    LTE B3 Preferred
    LTE B5 Preferred
    LTE B7 Preferred
    LTE B8 Preferred
    GSM 850
    GSM 900
    GSM 1800
    GSM 1900
    WCDMA I 2100
    WCDMA II 1900
    WCDMA V 850
    WCDMA VIII 900
    LTE B1
    LTE B2
    LTE B3
    LTE B4
    LTE B5
    LTE B7
    LTE B12
    LTE B13
    LTE B20
    LTE B25
    LTE B26
    LTE B38
    LTE B39
    LTE B40
    LTE B41
    LTE B46
    LTE B66
    LTE B71
    NR B41
    NR B71

    I wasn't sure if I was roaming so I looked up and installed this app. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cz.mroczis.netmonster

    Not only did it tell me that I wasn't currently roaming (I'm at work)
    but it also tells me all nearby frequency bands & at what strength.

    This also tells you what cell tower frequencies are available to me. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.qtrun.QuickTest

    There are so many frequencies available to me, many below a hundred
    decibels (negative, of course) even though my phone is a cheap $200 Android which doesn't have all the T-Mobile bands possible, that I'd like to ask if
    it really matters all that much, in practical terms, the supported bands of
    any given cellphone for use within the United States of America?

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  • From Tamborino@21:1/5 to Ashton Cook on Fri Jul 14 19:59:14 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 14.7.2023 21:42, Ashton Cook <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:


    This article makes it seem like a "big deal" what bands you have. https://android.gadgethacks.com/news/all-phones-work-t-mobiles-600-mhz-band-71-network-0191865/

    That article is from an eternity ago.
    Nothing in it applies to today.
    A lot has changed since then.
    Look at the yearly tests by PC Magazine instead.

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  • From PBAJ@21:1/5 to Ashton Cook on Sat Jul 15 11:22:48 2023
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    On 2023-07-14 14:42, Ashton Cook wrote:
    that I'd like to ask if
    it really matters all that much, in practical terms, the supported bands of any given cellphone for use within the United States of America?

    Not really.

    The cell that you're on will assign the band that it wants and that your
    phone supports.

    So, an older model is equipped with a given set of bands and is
    restrained to those.

    Those bands your phone doesn't support will be doled out to phones that do.

    The cell will optimize this all by itself. (To be clear: optimized is
    never "perfect" and doesn't have to be).

    All the phone can do, really, is adjust its power output on the assigned
    band.

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  • From Ashton Cook@21:1/5 to PBAJ on Sat Jul 15 12:52:52 2023
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    PBAJ wrote:

    that I'd like to ask if
    it really matters all that much, in practical terms, the supported bands of >> any given cellphone for use within the United States of America?

    Not really.

    The cell that you're on will assign the band that it wants and that your phone supports.

    So, an older model is equipped with a given set of bands and is
    restrained to those.

    Those bands your phone doesn't support will be doled out to phones that do.

    The cell will optimize this all by itself. (To be clear: optimized is
    never "perfect" and doesn't have to be).

    All the phone can do, really, is adjust its power output on the assigned band.

    Thank you for that clear answer that it doesn't really matter as long as
    your phone can receive "some" of the bands the local cell tower is using.

    If it receives even _one_ of those bands, then you should be good to go,
    right?

    Also, thank you for explaining that the _other_ phones on that tower will
    soak up the extra bands you're not using - and - by doing so - they will actually free up the bands that you are using - so that you can use them.

    Is that right?

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  • From PBAJ@21:1/5 to Ashton Cook on Sun Jul 16 09:19:43 2023
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    On 2023-07-15 14:52, Ashton Cook wrote:
    PBAJ wrote:

    that I'd like to ask if
    it really matters all that much, in practical terms, the supported
    bands of
    any given cellphone for use within the United States of America?

    Not really.

    The cell that you're on will assign the band that it wants and that
    your phone supports.

    So, an older model is equipped with a given set of bands and is
    restrained to those.

    Those bands your phone doesn't support will be doled out to phones
    that do.

    The cell will optimize this all by itself.  (To be clear: optimized is
    never "perfect" and doesn't have to be).

    All the phone can do, really, is adjust its power output on the
    assigned band.

    Thank you for that clear answer that it doesn't really matter as long as
    your phone can receive "some" of the bands the local cell tower is using.

    If it receives even _one_ of those bands, then you should be good to go, right?

    Barring congestion, yes. There's no guarantee. But cell co's do
    pretty well provisioning against congestion. Coverage is another matter.

    Also, thank you for explaining that the _other_ phones on that tower will soak up the extra bands you're not using - and - by doing so - they will actually free up the bands that you are using - so that you can use them.

    Is that right?

    That is the goal. The cell has to do its best to serve all comers.

    First strategy is provision enough bandwidth reserve, enough coverage
    zones (more complex antennas with smaller coverage areas) and then
    algorithms to allocate bands to phones optimally.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to PBAJ on Sun Jul 16 11:08:50 2023
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    On 7/16/2023 6:19 AM, PBAJ wrote:

    That is the goal.  The cell has to do its best to serve all comers.

    The issue with Band 71 is that it provides coverage where no other band
    is available. This is because of the low frequency that it uses which
    means much greater distance from the cell. A phone that lacks band can
    often not connect to the other bands because the cell is too far away.
    That is why T-Mobile spent a reported $8 billion to deploy band 71.

    --
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    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Sun Jul 16 14:55:30 2023
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    In article <u91bni$r2v4$2@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:


    The issue with Band 71 is that it provides coverage where no other band
    is available. This is because of the low frequency that it uses which
    means much greater distance from the cell. A phone that lacks band can
    often not connect to the other bands because the cell is too far away.

    there are other bands and other cell sites.

    your mythical scenario of a lone tower in the middle of nowhere with
    only band 71 is fantasy. it doesn't work that way.

    That is why T-Mobile spent a reported $8 billion to deploy band 71.

    no, that's not why.

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  • From PBAJ@21:1/5 to sms on Sun Jul 16 15:01:52 2023
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    On 2023-07-16 14:08, sms wrote:
    On 7/16/2023 6:19 AM, PBAJ wrote:

    That is the goal.  The cell has to do its best to serve all comers.

    The issue with Band 71 is that it provides coverage where no other band
    is available. This is because of the low frequency that it uses which
    means much greater distance from the cell. A phone that lacks band can
    often not connect to the other bands because the cell is too far away.
    That is why T-Mobile spent a reported $8 billion to deploy band 71.

    800 MHz does provide better range, but it does not really affect a user
    that was getting good service where he was operating happily before in
    areas with sufficient tower density.

    The main benefit to the cellco is (as always): more bandwidth overall.

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  • From Ashton Cook@21:1/5 to PBAJ on Sun Jul 16 17:16:45 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    PBAJ wrote:

    That is the goal. The cell has to do its best to serve all comers.

    The issue with Band 71 is that it provides coverage where no other band
    is available. This is because of the low frequency that it uses which
    means much greater distance from the cell. A phone that lacks band can
    often not connect to the other bands because the cell is too far away.
    That is why T-Mobile spent a reported $8 billion to deploy band 71.

    800 MHz does provide better range, but it does not really affect a user
    that was getting good service where he was operating happily before in
    areas with sufficient tower density.

    The main benefit to the cellco is (as always): more bandwidth overall.

    May I ask a simple question (which I had asked elsewhere with no answer).
    My phone is cheap and it's old and it has no problem on T-Mobile.

    When I look at what bands it has, this "71" stuff shows up as these two.
    LTE B71 and NR B71

    Which of those two (if either one of them) is this magical "71" band?

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Ashton Cook on Sun Jul 16 20:13:50 2023
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    On 2023-07-16 19:16, Ashton Cook wrote:
    PBAJ wrote:

    That is the goal.� The cell has to do its best to serve all comers.

    The issue with Band 71 is that it provides coverage where no other
    band is available. This is because of the low frequency that it uses
    which means much greater distance from the cell. A phone that lacks
    band can often not connect to the other bands because the cell is too
    far away. That is why T-Mobile spent a reported $8 billion to deploy
    band 71.

    800 MHz does provide better range, but it does not really affect a
    user that was getting good service where he was operating happily
    before in areas with sufficient tower density.

    The main benefit to the cellco is (as always): more bandwidth overall.

    May I ask a simple question (which I had asked elsewhere with no answer).
    My phone is cheap and it's old and it has no problem on T-Mobile.

    When I look at what bands it has, this "71" stuff shows up as these two.
    LTE B71 and NR B71

    Which of those two (if either one of them) is this magical "71" band?

    AFAICT they're the same band at 663-698 MHz and 617-652 MHz (up and
    down). Not sure why two are declared - could be different sub-band
    schemes or some such.

    --
    “If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
    -Ronald Coase

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