A couple of years ago I got a "free" phone from my long time carrier.
The deal was every month, 1/24th credits would reduce the MSRP by
1/24th.
As long as I stayed on that carrier, the phone would eventually be
free. And so it was. Now it's all mine (and working just fine two
years later).
But that phone under that contract was networked locked to that
carrier.
After two years and a few months, I called the carrier back to ask if
they could give me the network unlock code. The carrier techs told me
that they automatically unlocked it for me when it went off the
two-year contract.
I looked and lo and behold, it is network unlocked automatically.
Settings + Connections + More connection settings + Network unlock +
Network lock status = unlocked
"Your phone can be used with any compatible service provider."
This is my first "free" phone so I'm just wondering if your carrier
also automatically unlocks your phone at the time the credits bring
it to zero.
This is my first "free" phone so I'm just wondering if your carrier
also automatically unlocks your phone at the time the credits bring
it to zero.
On my iPhone 14 with T-Mobile it shows under Settings - General - About
- Carrier Lock.
My phone is locked because it's still being paid for, but my wife's
iPhone 12 was unlocked automatically.
On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 17:53:32 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:
This is my first "free" phone so I'm just wondering if your carrier
also automatically unlocks your phone at the time the credits bring
it to zero.
On my iPhone 14 with T-Mobile it shows under Settings - General - About
- Carrier Lock.
My phone is locked because it's still being paid for, but my wife's
iPhone 12 was unlocked automatically.
Thanks. Mine was T-Mobile also. It's nice that they automatically unlock.
I wonder if the other two main USA carriers also automatically unlock too?
A couple of years ago I got a "free" phone from my long time carrier.
The deal was every month, 1/24th credits would reduce the MSRP by 1/24th.
As long as I stayed on that carrier, the phone would eventually be free.
And so it was. Now it's all mine (and working just fine two years later).
But that phone under that contract was networked locked to that carrier.
After two years and a few months, I called the carrier back to ask if they could give me the network unlock code. The carrier techs told me that they automatically unlocked it for me when it went off the two-year contract.
I looked and lo and behold, it is network unlocked automatically.
Settings + Connections + More connection settings + Network unlock +
Network lock status = unlocked
"Your phone can be used with any compatible service provider."
This is my first "free" phone so I'm just wondering if your carrier also automatically unlocks your phone at the time the credits bring it to zero.
On my iPhone 14 with T-Mobile it shows under Settings - General - About
- Carrier Lock.
My phone is locked because it's still being paid for, but my wife's
iPhone 12 was unlocked automatically.
I buy my phones outright from my MVNO carrier-- Tracfone, which has been owned by Verizon for a year or two.
Phones are locked to TF for 60 days of use at which time, they
automatically unlock with no initiation or input required from the
customer.
This is my first "free" phone so I'm just wondering if your carrier also automatically unlocks your phone at the time the credits bring it to zero.
On Verizon-owned carriers, including Tracfone brands, the phones are unlocked, paid-off or not, after 60 days. This is because of an
agreement between the FCC and Verizon. It used to be zero days but
Verizon got approval to change it to 60 because when they were selling unlocked phones there was an issue with phones being stolen from stores
and warehouses.
On 2023-07-14 19:31, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
This is my first "free" phone so I'm just wondering if your carrier also
automatically unlocks your phone at the time the credits bring it to
zero.
I got a free phone recently, and they told me that it is never locked.
This is normal in Spain. It is a dual sim model, it would be absurd to
not be able to plug in a second sim from the start.
On 7/14/2023 1:04 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-07-14 19:31, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
This is my first "free" phone so I'm just wondering if your carrier also >>> automatically unlocks your phone at the time the credits bring it to
zero.
I got a free phone recently, and they told me that it is never locked.
This is normal in Spain. It is a dual sim model, it would be absurd to
not be able to plug in a second sim from the start.
In the U.S., on AT&T and T-Mobile, you get bill credits every month that offset the cost. If you leave before the phone is paid off then the
balance is due. The phone is locked until it is paid off.
On Verizon they have the same system but they have to unlock all phones
after 60 days. If you leave, the balance is still due but they'd have to
go to a collection agency if the customer didn't pay. But these deals
require a good credit score, someone with a FICO score under 740 is
unlikely to qualify for these deals.
Of course you're free to buy an unlocked phone at full price, but that
would be really stupid if you're on a high-cost postpaid carrier (and
you plan to stay there) because you're not going to get the hefty
monthly bill credits that come with taking the "free" or discounted
phone from them.
The prepaid carriers often offer some small discounts off of retail for
newer phones, but offer big discounts for older phones, I paid $149.99
for my iPhone 11, unlocked after 60 days, nine months later you can't
even buy a used one for that price. I could leave my prepaid carrier but
I have no plans to since it's still a good deal for the U.S. (4 lines
sharing 100GB of high speed data for $95). We never use even 1/3 that
amount of data.
In article <u8s9o7$43vc$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
Verizon has significantly worsened
true. t-mobile is now #1, and verizon is literally in last place.
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Well, I guess Verizon’s reputation was not all it was cracked up to be! How long before sms admits T-Mobile is the best like the rest of us have been saying for a while?
Well, I guess Verizons reputation was not all it was cracked up to be! How long before sms admits T-Mobile is the best like the rest of us have been saying for a while?
T-Mobile is not very usable in the western U.S. once you leave the urban
core area. Even in the Bay Area, where I live, when you go to the more
rural parts of the Bay Area Counties, you'll have coverage only on
Verizon, as the FCC maps show. See <https://imgur.com/QOqnAVP>. Yosemite West: <https://imgur.com/9zJhPUq>. Central Yosemite: <https://i.imgur.com/PuBGHCq.png>. Santa Clara/Santa Cruz greenbelt: <<https://i.imgur.com/1w58JJA.png/>.
The funny thing is that nobody really cares who is better when they're all about the same given the coverage in the entire country matters overall;
but what matters most to almost all of us is the coverage at our homes
(and perhaps places of work - which are much more often in urban areas).
This is my first "free" phone so I'm just wondering if your carrier also automatically unlocks your phone at the time the credits bring it to zero.
This is my first "free" phone so I'm just wondering if your carrier also
automatically unlocks your phone at the time the credits bring it to zero.
The real question is, when the 24 month term was up, did they reduce the monthly charge accordingly?
On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 18:49:35 -0700, sms wrote:
T-Mobile is not very usable in the western U.S. once you leave the urban
core area. Even in the Bay Area, where I live, when you go to the more
rural parts of the Bay Area Counties, you'll have coverage only on
Verizon, as the FCC maps show. See <https://imgur.com/QOqnAVP>. Yosemite
West: <https://imgur.com/9zJhPUq>. Central Yosemite:
<https://i.imgur.com/PuBGHCq.png>. Santa Clara/Santa Cruz greenbelt:
<<https://i.imgur.com/1w58JJA.png/>.
Where is the FCC source description of what those calculations truly show? Last I looked, FCC maps didn't even show 5G coverage - they were only 4G.
However what the FCC maps do not show is off-network roaming. T-Mobile
may have the least coverage geographically, but they partially make up
for this with some limited off-network roaming, usually on smaller
carriers. I.e., in Alaska, unlike AT&T and Verizon, T-Mobile has no
native network, but they allow their subscribers to roam onto other
networks (but T-Mobile MVNOs cannot roam, except for Google-Fi). Verizon
also has some off-network roaming in Alaska, in addition to their own
4G/5G network.
sms wrote on 15.07.2023 20:54
However what the FCC maps do not show is off-network roaming. T-Mobile
may have the least coverage geographically, but they partially make up
for this with some limited off-network roaming, usually on smaller
carriers. I.e., in Alaska, unlike AT&T and Verizon, T-Mobile has no
native network, but they allow their subscribers to roam onto other
networks (but T-Mobile MVNOs cannot roam, except for Google-Fi). Verizon
also has some off-network roaming in Alaska, in addition to their own
4G/5G network.
It seems T-Mobile has _both_ its normal towers, but everyone else's too.
You may not know that T-Mobile offers free unlimited roaming in the USA.
Yet you "say" that this roaming doesn't add much to T-Mobile's coverage.
And then you try to back it up by saying Alaska has lousy roaming coverage. Nobody but you and the six other people who live in Alaska care about that.
What cites do you base you statement on about T-Mobile's roaming in the states that have more than six people - in places people actually live?
Unfortunately that is not the case. Roaming is limited to a small number
of rural carriers and a very small amount of roaming on the other two nationwide carriers.
Just say that you have no facts whatsoever that back up your claims.
You can begin your education about coverage differences between AT&T, T-Mobile, and Verizon at
<docs.google.com/docu
Here is an excerpt from that excellent Google Doc document:
Note that while the FCC maps reflect 4G LTE coverage, 5G coverage is essentially identical.
It often upsets T-Mobile aficionados when vast differences in rural
coverage are shown, but I feel that it's important to be honest about
the differences in networks since it's a matter of both convenience as
well as a matter of safety.
You really want to look at the big picture and rely on impartial data
conducted by entities that are not being commissioned by the carrier to
come up with some weird metric that proves something that no one cares
about.
then you're disqualified
On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 14:55:37 -0400, nospam wrote:
You really want to look at the big picture and rely on impartial data
conducted by entities that are not being commissioned by the carrier to
come up with some weird metric that proves something that no one cares
about.
then you're disqualified
What I don't get is why he has that unreasonable itch for Verizon.
And an even more unreasonable irrationally huge hatred for T-Mobile.
To the point that more must be going on with him and them than we know.
You really want to look at the big picture and rely on impartial data
conducted by entities that are not being commissioned by the carrier to >>> come up with some weird metric that proves something that no one cares >>> about.
then you're disqualified
What I don't get is why he has that unreasonable itch for Verizon.
And an even more unreasonable irrationally huge hatred for T-Mobile.
To the point that more must be going on with him and them than we know.
My guess is hes so invested in the claims hes made over the years that theres no way he can admit those claims are no longer true. He will do whatever necessary to keep propagating those fallacies.
My guess is hes so invested in the claims hes made over the years that
theres no way he can admit those claims are no longer true. He will do
whatever necessary to keep propagating those fallacies.
while calling out others to admit *their* error, when in fact, they're
not the ones who are wrong. he is. it's massive projection.
For example, he's claiming that 4G coverage is the same as 5G when his maps don't have any 5G at all on them. He should say that is the case up front.
It's important to look at the big picture and to rely on unbiased data,
to read between the lines, and not fall for a carrier's clever marketing campaigns. "The most 5G" but the least coverage is not something that
most people would choose but unfortunately it's easy to fall for that
kind of narrative if you lack critical thinking skills.
to read between the lines, and not fall for a carrier's clever marketing
campaigns. "The most 5G" but the least coverage is not something that
most people would choose but unfortunately it's easy to fall for that
kind of narrative if you lack critical thinking skills.
either you lack *any* thinking skills or you're flat out lying.
in multiple independent studies, the carrier you claim to have 'the
least coverage' has some of the *best* coverage, the very opposite of
what you claim.
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
either you lack any thinking skills or you're flat out lying.
Not only is he wrong on the coverage,
It's difficult to understand how people get so attached to a big
corporation that they are willing to ignore reality and just lie.
I can explain the pros and cons of each service without some weird
attachment to the provider.
It's the same thing with Android versus iOS. I have both Android and iOS devices, both phones and tablets.
I can explicitly state the pros and
cons of each platform, and in fact have extensively researched this,
leading to the document "55 iOS & iPhone Features Which [some] Android
Users Wish they Had & 226 Android & Android Phone Features Which [some]
iOS Users Wish they Had"
I know that that document infuriates one of our most famous trolls, but
he has not ever been able to point out a single error in the document, despite constantly complaining about it.
Wally J wrote:
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
either you lack any thinking skills or you're flat out lying.
Not only is he wrong on the coverage,
It's nice to see nospam and Arlen agreeing on something for once
I've had AT&T postpaid, AT&T prepaid (Cricket), and an AT&T MVNO
(Consumer Cellular). I've had T-Mobile postpaid, T-Mobile prepaid
(Cricket), and a still active line on an T-Mobile MVNO (Red Pocket).
I've had Verizon postpaid, Verizon prepaid (Total), and a line on a
Verizon MVNO (MobileX).
I can explain the pros and cons of each service without some weird
attachment to the provider. T-Mobile postpaid I got prior to a European
trip because of the included SMS, 20/minute (at the time) voice calls,
and included low-speed data (which was almost useless, but sometimes
worked). But upon return to the U.S. it was clear that T-Mobile was not
a viable option in the western U.S., in the California areas where my
kids were in college, and in the places we liked to go (State and
National Parks). Verizon prepaid (Total) fit our needs the best,
excellent coverage, sufficient data (100GB shared for four lines), no throttling, sufficient hotspot data, and relatively low price ($95 for
four lines).
On 18.7.2023 18:56, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
leading to the document "55 iOS & iPhone Features Which [some]
Android Users Wish they Had & 226 Android & Android Phone
Features Which [some] iOS Users Wish they Had"
that 'document' is full of numerous false and misleading
statements, which you refuse to fix.
Have you ever even opened up the document to read even a single line
of it?
If you say yes, why haven't you ever mentioned even a single item in
it?
leading to the document "55 iOS & iPhone Features Which [some] Android
Users Wish they Had & 226 Android & Android Phone Features Which [some]
iOS Users Wish they Had"
that 'document' is full of numerous false and misleading statements,
which you refuse to fix.
he ignores and attacks anyone and everyone
who calls him out on his endless bullshit.
I've never opened it. nospam says it's all lies.
But mostly because
sms was passing himself off as an expert back in the Toyota newsgroups decades ago and even then I could tell he wasn't entirely correct.
I've never opened it. nospam says it's all lies. But mostly because
sms was passing himself off as an expert back in the Toyota newsgroups decades ago and even then I could tell he wasn't entirely correct.
I've had ... T-Mobile prepaid
(Cricket),
I've never opened it. nospam says it's all lies. But mostly because
sms was passing himself off as an expert back in the Toyota newsgroups decades ago and even then I could tell he wasn't entirely correct.
On 7/18/2023 9:54 AM, badgolferman wrote:
<snip>
I've never opened it. nospam says it's all lies. But mostly
because sms was passing himself off as an expert back in the Toyota >>newsgroups decades ago and even then I could tell he wasn't
entirely correct.
Was I doing that?
It's true that we've had eight Toyotas
3 Camrys (1996, 2007, 2017)
1 Land Cruiser (1985)
1 Prius (2014)
1 4 Runner (2001)
1 Corolla (2017)
I'm pretty familiar with the good and bad points of each of the ones
we've owned, and I do most of the maintenance and repairs on the ones
we presently own.
If someone asked me about any of them I would tell them what I like
and don't like about each of them, I would not try to get them to buy
the same vehicle that I bought without telling them both the good and
bad points. I'd never say "well this is a problem area" or "this
feature is missing but don't worry, nobody cares about that."
I've never opened it. nospam says it's all lies. But mostly
because sms was passing himself off as an expert back in the Toyota >>newsgroups decades ago and even then I could tell he wasn't
entirely correct.
Was I doing that?
It's true that we've had eight Toyotas
3 Camrys (1996, 2007, 2017)
1 Land Cruiser (1985)
1 Prius (2014)
1 4 Runner (2001)
1 Corolla (2017)
I'm pretty familiar with the good and bad points of each of the ones
we've owned, and I do most of the maintenance and repairs on the ones
we presently own.
If someone asked me about any of them I would tell them what I like
and don't like about each of them, I would not try to get them to buy
the same vehicle that I bought without telling them both the good and
bad points. I'd never say "well this is a problem area" or "this
feature is missing but don't worry, nobody cares about that."
I've had a few Toyotas also and am well familiar with their strengths
and shortcomings.
1994, 1997, 2004, 2012 Camry
2009 Matrix
2013 Lexus RX350
It's not so much any misinformation you may have passed along about the vehicles, but much more about how authoritative you try to come across
as if you know more than anyone else. That also bears itself in your signature which smacks with smugness and arrogance.
And then there is your pretense of blocking people like nospam which
you call a troll. nospam is not a troll and I doubt you even know what
one is. "Trolling" is the act of fishing out in the open waters by
trailing a line with bait on it. That term has been adopted by the
internet crowd to describe messages which are provocative and designed
to hook people in, hence the people who do this deliberately are
"trolls". By that definition one of the trolls in this group is
actually you. You constantly present statements which you know are
going to get a reaction because they are half-truths or outright lies,
but rarely if ever engage with those who dispute you. You shill for
Verizon and flount your Google document as the end-all for comparisons between Android and iOS, but will not defend your disingenuous
statements. Then you call them trolls, which is laughable.
If you want to be taken more seriously engage with nospam without a sockpuppet and prove him wrong. Stop being so smug and be open to
learning from others.
sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote
I've had AT&T postpaid, AT&T prepaid (Cricket), and an AT&T MVNO
(Consumer Cellular). I've had T-Mobile postpaid, T-Mobile prepaid
(Cricket), and a still active line on an T-Mobile MVNO (Red Pocket).
I've had Verizon postpaid, Verizon prepaid (Total), and a line on a
Verizon MVNO (MobileX).
Cricket is garbage. And you don't know that? It means you're not an expert. >The MVNO's are garbage.
And you don't that? It means you are no expert.
You made all your decisions by lowest price alone, and as a result of your
lowest-price-based decisions, you got the crappiest service & phones.
If you want to be taken more seriously engage with nospam without a
sockpuppet and prove him wrong. Stop being so smug and be open to
learning from others.
he won't, because he's a coward.
he knows he's full of shit.
If you want to be taken more seriously engage with nospam without a
sockpuppet and prove him wrong. Stop being so smug and be open to
learning from others.
he won't, because he's a coward.
he knows he's full of shit.
I don't know if he's a coward. It's more likely he enjoys feeling
superior to others by ignoring them.
Why do you say that.
nospam wrote:
If you want to be taken more seriously engage with nospam without a
sockpuppet and prove him wrong. Stop being so smug and be open to
learning from others.
he won't, because he's a coward.
he knows he's full of shit.
I don't know if he's a coward. It's more likely he enjoys feeling
superior to others by ignoring them.
Well there are certainly lots of sockpuppets besides "Arlen'" multitude
of identities, and nospam, Jolly Roger, et al.
Sockpuppet "a false online identity, typically created by a person or
group in order to promote their own opinions or views."
sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote
Well there are certainly lots of sockpuppets besides "Arlen'" multitude
of identities, and nospam, Jolly Roger, et al.
Sockpuppet "a false online identity, typically created by a person or
group in order to promote their own opinions or views."
Am I correct in saying there are multiple types of people who post here? Everyone has an opinion. Everyone has a view. Everyone has an agenda.
The only thing _possible_ to agree on are the well-known published facts. Even then, some _distort_ those facts to support _their_ opinion or views.
Of the viewpoints that matter, there may be only three fundamental types.
a. There are people who defend Apple by every means available to them.
(The evidence is clear that facts will never matter to these people).
b. There are people tho tell the truth about Apple by just as many means.
(The evidence is clear that those facts generally deprecate Apple.)
c. Then, there are people with a biased agenda toward their narrative.
(They are the hardest to figure out but their agenda is always the same)
There are others, such as Joerg & Baker who are here only for amusement. (Almost everyone has them in their killfile so they will never matter.)
So there will _never_ be agreement on this specific Apple group. Never.
1. Some (extremely few) know the well-published cited well-known facts.
2. Most are completely oblivious to those well-published facts about Apple. 3. Many completely ignore every fact that doesn't fit their biased agenda.
I ask everyone to submit which group _they_ consider themselves to be in.
Or to list those they consider to be in one of those three obvious groups.
I know which one I am in.
Do you?
completely avoiding the question and also confirming that you use sockpuppets.
If you want to be taken more seriously engage with nospam without a
sockpuppet and prove him wrong. Stop being so smug and be open to
learning from others.
he won't, because he's a coward.
he knows he's full of shit.
I don't know if he's a coward. It's more likely he enjoys feeling
superior to others by ignoring them.
Well there are certainly lots of sockpuppets besides "Arlen'" multitude
of identities, and nospam, Jolly Roger, et al.
Sockpuppet "a false online identity, typically created by a person or
group in order to promote their own opinions or views."
Whichever group one thinks they are in, others will dispute that and place them in another group.
On 7/18/2023 3:19 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
Why do you say that.
LOL, because he's clueless!
sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote
Well there are certainly lots of sockpuppets besides "Arlen'" multitude
of identities, and nospam, Jolly Roger, et al.
Sockpuppet "a false online identity, typically created by a person or
group in order to promote their own opinions or views."
Am I correct in saying there are multiple types of people who post here? Everyone has an opinion. Everyone has a view. Everyone has an agenda.
The only thing _possible_ to agree on are the well-known published facts.
Even then, some _distort_ those facts to support _their_ opinion or views.
Of the viewpoints that matter, there may be only three fundamental types.
a. There are people who defend Apple by every means available to them.
(The evidence is clear that facts will never matter to these people).
b. There are people tho tell the truth about Apple by just as many means.
(The evidence is clear that those facts generally deprecate Apple.)
c. Then, there are people with a biased agenda toward their narrative.
(They are the hardest to figure out but their agenda is always the same)
There are others, such as Joerg & Baker who are here only for amusement. (Almost everyone has them in their killfile so they will never matter.)
So there will _never_ be agreement on this specific Apple group. Never.
1. Some (extremely few) know the well-published cited well-known facts.
2. Most are completely oblivious to those well-published facts about Apple. 3. Many completely ignore every fact that doesn't fit their biased agenda.
I ask everyone to submit which group _they_ consider themselves to be in.
Or to list those they consider to be in one of those three obvious groups.
I know which one I am in.
Do you?
On 7/19/2023 4:50 AM, badgolferman wrote:
nospam wrote:
If you want to be taken more seriously engage with nospam without a
sockpuppet and prove him wrong. Stop being so smug and be open to
learning from others.
he won't, because he's a coward.
he knows he's full of shit.
I don't know if he's a coward. It's more likely he enjoys feeling
superior to others by ignoring them.
Well there are certainly lots of sockpuppets besides "Arlen'"
multitude of identities, and nospam, Jolly Roger, et al.
Sockpuppet "a false online identity, typically created by a person or
group in order to promote their own opinions or views."
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
completely avoiding the question and also confirming that you use
sockpuppets.
I strongly suspect that you and Jolly Roger are sockpuppets who
started on the same _week_ in this newsgroup, way back more than a
decade ago.
On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 08:10:02 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:
On 7/18/2023 3:19 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
Why do you say that.
LOL, because he's clueless!
Maybe, but I'd like hear his view.
On 7/19/2023 12:08 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 08:10:02 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:
On 7/18/2023 3:19 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
Why do you say that.
LOL, because he's clueless!
Maybe, but I'd like hear his view.
You know, you're not required to read posts, or respond to them, when
the poster is just trolling, hoping for a reaction.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
completely avoiding the question and also confirming that you use
sockpuppets.
I strongly suspect that you and Jolly Roger are sockpuppets who
started on the same _week_ in this newsgroup, way back more than a
decade ago.
We are two separate people and we definitely didn't start posting here
in the same week.
It really doesn't matter what nym you choose...
by its cover, Jolly Roger - you judge what people write by what they write.
All of your nyms defend Apple to the death, but each of your nyms does so differently depending on the strength of the facts about what Apple did.
What your nospam nym does when the facts against Apple are incontrovertible is you blow smoke such as saying "nobody wants it:nobody needs it" on their phone (even though it's always only iOS that can't do anything useful).
When the facts are fully indefensible about what Apple did, you use your Jolly Roger nym to viciously attack anyone who says anything about it.
Neither of your nyms can stand a single truthful word said about Apple. Hence, it doesn't matter what nym you use - what matters is your message.
For both your nyms, the message is always nobody wants it (even though
every other operating system has it, and that Apple can do no wrong (and
when Apple does do wrong, it's always someone else who made Apple do it).
The main difference is your Jolly Roger nym attacks the messenger,
while your nospam nym pins the blame on Google making Apple do it.
completely avoiding the question and also confirming that you use
sockpuppets.
I strongly suspect that you and Jolly Roger are sockpuppets who
started on the same _week_ in this newsgroup, way back more than a
decade ago.
We are two separate people and we definitely didn't start posting here
in the same week.
You have no proof at all to offer that they are nyms for the same person.
None.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
You have no proof at all to offer that they are nyms for the same
person.
None.
I agree they are not the same person, but I think Arlen’s point is
that as Apple “apologists” they are made from the same mold. Their
only difference is one denies everything they disagree with and the
other attacks everyone they disagree with.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
completely avoiding the question and also confirming that you use
sockpuppets.
I strongly suspect that you and Jolly Roger are sockpuppets who
started on the same _week_ in this newsgroup, way back more than a
decade ago.
We are two separate people and we definitely didn't start posting
here in the same week.
It really doesn't matter what nym you choose, JR, as you don't judge a
book by its cover, Jolly Roger - you judge what people write by what
they write.
All of your nyms
What your nospam nym does when the facts against Apple are
incontrovertible is you blow smoke such as saying "nobody wants
it:nobody needs it" on their phone (even though it's always only iOS
that can't do anything useful).
On 2023-07-22, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
the
other attacks everyone they disagree with.
I dislike
I only attack trolls.
little troll buddies
regularly troll here
I'm not friendly with anyone else.
A sockpuppet is a false identity adopted by trolls and other malcontents
used for purposes of deception in order to support their own postings.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2023-07-22, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
[quoted material restored]
You have no proof at all to offer that they are nyms for the same
person.
None.
I agree they are not the same person, but I think Arlen’s point is
that as Apple “apologists” they are made from the same mold. Their
only difference is one denies everything they disagree with and the
other attacks everyone they disagree with.
Nope, I'm not an apologist since I have no problem discussing things
I dislike about Apple and use competing products regularly as well,
and I only attack trolls. You and your little troll buddies sms and
Arlen regularly troll here and clearly can't take what you dish out,
which is why you falsely claim I'm not friendly with anyone else.
I dislike
I only attack trolls.
little troll buddies
regularly troll here
I'm not friendly with anyone else.
Thank you for proving my point.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
A sockpuppet is a false identity adopted by trolls and other malcontents
used for purposes of deception in order to support their own postings.
On any non-Apple operating system newsgroup, what gets talked about is the merits of the topic. Just as people read books and then discuss the merits.
It's only on these Apple newsgroups where you viciously attack people
simply for telling you truths about Apple that you wish were not true.
Both your nospam & Jolly Roger nyms defend Apple's actions to the death.
The difference is that your Jolly Roger nym is tremendously more personal.
With your nospam alias you simply deny everything about Apple you hate.
Or you blame Samsung for making Apple do the bad things that Apple does.
When you can no longer defend the bad things Apple does by blaming, then
you divert the topic by claiming nobody ever wants to do anything on iOS.
When all that doesn't work - you resort to childish insults, such as ftfy.
The different is that with your Jolly Roger nym, it's all about attacking. You viciously attack anyone for saying things about Apple you don't like.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
completely avoiding the question and also confirming that you use
sockpuppets.
I strongly suspect that you and Jolly Roger are sockpuppets who
started on the same _week_ in this newsgroup, way back more than a
decade ago.
We are two separate people and we definitely didn't start posting here
in the same week.
It really doesn't matter what nym you choose, JR, as you don't judge a book by its cover, Jolly Roger - you judge what people write by what they write.
All of your nyms defend Apple to the death, but each of your nyms does so differently depending on the strength of the facts about what Apple did.
What your nospam nym does when the facts against Apple are incontrovertible is you blow smoke such as saying "nobody wants it:nobody needs it" on their phone (even though it's always only iOS that can't do anything useful).
When the facts are fully indefensible about what Apple did, you use your Jolly Roger nym to viciously attack anyone who says anything about it.
Neither of your nyms can stand a single truthful word said about Apple. Hence, it doesn't matter what nym you use - what matters is your message.
For both your nyms, the message is always nobody wants it (even though
every other operating system has it, and that Apple can do no wrong (and
when Apple does do wrong, it's always someone else who made Apple do it).
The main difference is your Jolly Roger nym attacks the messenger,
while your nospam nym pins the blame on Google making Apple do it.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
You have no proof at all to offer that they are nyms for the same person.
None.
I agree they are not the same person, but I think Arlen’s point is that as Apple “apologists” they are made from the same mold. Their only difference
is one denies everything they disagree with and the other attacks everyone they disagree with.
On 2023-07-22 10:03, badgolferman wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
You have no proof at all to offer that they are nyms for the same
person.
None.
I agree they are not the same person, but I think Arlen’s point is
that as Apple “apologists” they are made from the same mold. Their
only difference is one denies everything they disagree with and the
other attacks everyone they disagree with.
No.
He has explicitly stated that he believes they are the same person.
I agree they are not the same person, but I think Arlen’s point is that as Apple “apologists” they are made from the same mold. Their only difference
is one denies everything they disagree with and the other attacks everyone they disagree with.
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree they are not the same person, but I think Arlen’s point is that as >> Apple “apologists” they are made from the same mold. Their only difference
is one denies everything they disagree with and the other attacks everyone >> they disagree with.
Its interesting that you interpret pointing out obvious lies as “disagreeing”.
Arlen repeats absurd lies here every day. Things like:
“You can’t turn an iPhone off. All you can do is turn the screen
off.”
Obviously untrue.
“Apple charges more for the Product Red iPhone than other colors”.
Obviously untrue.
“Apple rebuilds the entire iOS and sends out the entire iOS to every
device for every update, even if only a single line of code was
changed.”
Obviously untrue.
“Apple pleaded guilty in France for something or other”.
Obviously untrue.
“You can’t download YouTube videos using this Unix command line app, because it has not been ported to iOS”.
Obviously untrue.
“Apple uses laughably small batteries in phones, thus iPhones have
terrible battery life”.
Obviously untrue.
“Android can do cross-platform, ultrasonic file transfers. Apple can’t”.
Not only untrue, but hilarious. There is no such thing as
“ultrasonic file transfers”. Arlen REALLY made a fool of himself on
that one.
And on and on and on and on.
This is the very definition of trolling. Pointing out the absurd lies
is NOT trolling. Nor is it attacking. Nor it is disagreeing. Nor is
it being an “Apple Apologist”.
If (1) Arlen EVER presents an Actual Fact and then (2) someone here denies/disagrees/attacks, THEN you can call that person an “Apple Apologist”. But that has not happened here yet, because Arlen never presents Actual Facts. Only Arlen Facts.
All of which have been repeatedly proven to be wrong. Yet Arlen
continues to post them. Again, the very definition of trolling.
I agree they are not the same person, but I think Arlen’s point is
that as Apple “apologists” they are made from the same mold.
Their only difference is one denies everything they disagree with
and the other attacks everyone they disagree with.
Its interesting that you interpret pointing out obvious lies as >“disagreeing”.
Arlen repeats absurd lies here every day.
It's obvious Arlen is trolling and even often goes overboard. But that doesn't change the fact that Jolly Roger constantly attacks everyone he disagrees with, and nospam disagrees without explaining why, other than
"not needed" or "no one wants it". It's become a meme on this group.
And of course I'm a troll according to Jolly Roger whenever I post a
news article about Apple he doesn't like. I know mainstream news today
can be viewed dubiously when it comes to facts, but it's what we have available for now.
I just filter out nospam, Jolly Roger, Bob
Campbell, Jorge Lorenz, and as many of "Arlen's" aliases as I can
determine.
Responding to trolls whether fanbois or those that dislike
Apple for whatever reason, and who contribute nothing of value, never
provide cites or references, and are only here to annoy those of us that
want to ask questions or share knowledge.
Bob Campbell wrote:
I agree they are not the same person, but I think Arlen’s point is
that as Apple “apologists” they are made from the same mold. Their >>> only difference is one denies everything they disagree with and the
other attacks everyone they disagree with.
Its interesting that you interpret pointing out obvious lies as
“disagreeing”.
Arlen repeats absurd lies here every day.
I think you misunderstood my attempt to "translate" what Arlen was
saying as my own opinion.
It's obvious Arlen is trolling and even often goes overboard. But
that doesn't change the fact that Jolly Roger constantly attacks
everyone he disagrees with
And of course I'm a troll according to Jolly Roger whenever I post a
news article about Apple he doesn't like.
You have a lot of patience. I just filter out nospam, Jolly Roger, Bob Campbell, Jorge Lorenz, and as many of "Arlen's" aliases as I can
determine. Responding to trolls whether fanbois or those that dislike
Apple for whatever reason, and who contribute nothing of value, never
provide cites or references, and are only here to annoy those of us that
want to ask questions or share knowledge.
And of course I'm a troll according to Jolly Roger whenever I post a
news article about Apple he doesn't like.
Nah, you troll about yellow iPhones and lots of other ridiculous things,
and you hate when people call you out on it.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
And of course I'm a troll according to Jolly Roger whenever I post a
news article about Apple he doesn't like.
Nah, you troll about yellow iPhones and lots of other ridiculous things,
and you hate when people call you out on it.
*Everything true about Apple, he hates, Jolly Roger calls a troll.*
1. If Apple touts they built a yellow iPhone (which is a true fact)
2. And if someone points it out (which is also a true fact)
3. Then Jolly Roger calls every mention of those true facts, trolls.
Why?
*Because Jolly Roger calls _EVERYTHING HE HATES_ about Apple, a troll.*
That wouldn't be so bad if Jolly Roger didn't hate so much about Apple.
:)
On my iPhone 14 with T-Mobile it shows under Settings - General - About
- Carrier Lock.
My phone is locked because it's still being paid for, but my wife's
iPhone 12 was unlocked automatically.
With iPhones they said you may have to remove
the sim card and reboot to see the unlock status show up in the settings.
On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 17:53:32 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:
On my iPhone 14 with T-Mobile it shows under Settings - General - About
- Carrier Lock.
My phone is locked because it's still being paid for, but my wife's
iPhone 12 was unlocked automatically.
I called tmobile who said that they automatically unlock all the phones
when the lien period expires. With iPhones they said you may have to remove the sim card and reboot to see the unlock status show up in the settings.
With iPhones they said you may have to remove
the sim card and reboot to see the unlock status show up in the settings.
not required, nor is it possible with esims.
On Verizon, they are required to unlock all phones after 60 days,
whether or not they are paid off (this isn't something that Verizon
wanted to do, they were mandated by the FCC to do it).
On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 17:53:32 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:
On my iPhone 14 with T-Mobile it shows under Settings - General - About
- Carrier Lock.
My phone is locked because it's still being paid for, but my wife's
iPhone 12 was unlocked automatically.
I called tmobile who said that they automatically unlock all the phones
when the lien period expires. With iPhones they said you may have to remove the sim card and reboot to see the unlock status show up in the settings.
So it's only iOS that isn't recording the unlock status, which isn't a big deal as the owner didn't feel like removing the sim card just to reset iOS.
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 15:24:34 -0400, nospam wrote:
With iPhones they said you may have to removenot required, nor is it possible with esims.
the sim card and reboot to see the unlock status show up in the settings. >>
The iPhone involved is an iPhone 12 mini which went off the lien a few
months ago but which showed today in the iOS settings that it was locked.
I called tmobile to ask them to unlock it and they said the IMEI was automatically unlocked when it went off of its two year lien status.
So it's only iOS that isn't recording the unlock status, which isn't a big deal as the owner didn't feel like removing the sim card just to reset iOS.
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