I can't even remember how I got there, but I know that google play has a record of every app I've installed on the devices I've used (2 tablets,
3 phones...) with the account I use for my phone. Even the ones I
deleted. I seem to remember the entire list being installed on a new
phone. At this point there may be hundreds of unwanted apps in this
list. I don't EVER want to have to delete all those unsatisfactory apps again -- and I suspect that they might even fill up the memory of
whatever phone I buy next..
1. What is this list called and how do I get to it with either my
computer or my phone? I've flailed around for half an hour with no success.
2. How do I delete forever from google's memory those apps I found unsatisfactory and deleted and NEVER want to even think about again? I shudder to think that google might think that restoring them all might
be a good idea.
Cheers, Bev
I can't even remember how I got there, but I know that google play has a record of every app I've installed on the devices I've used (2 tablets,
3 phones...) with the account I use for my phone. Even the ones I
deleted. I seem to remember the entire list being installed on a new
phone. At this point there may be hundreds of unwanted apps in this
list. I don't EVER want to have to delete all those unsatisfactory apps again -- and I suspect that they might even fill up the memory of
whatever phone I buy next..
1. What is this list called and how do I get to it with either my
computer or my phone? I've flailed around for half an hour with no success.
2. How do I delete forever from google's memory those apps I found unsatisfactory and deleted and NEVER want to even think about again? I shudder to think that google might think that restoring them all might
be a good idea.
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
I can't even remember how I got there, but I know that google play has a
record of every app I've installed on the devices I've used (2 tablets,
3 phones...) with the account I use for my phone. Even the ones I
deleted. I seem to remember the entire list being installed on a new
phone. At this point there may be hundreds of unwanted apps in this
list. I don't EVER want to have to delete all those unsatisfactory apps
again -- and I suspect that they might even fill up the memory of
whatever phone I buy next..
1. What is this list called and how do I get to it with either my
computer or my phone? I've flailed around for half an hour with no success. >>
2. How do I delete forever from google's memory those apps I found
unsatisfactory and deleted and NEVER want to even think about again? I
shudder to think that google might think that restoring them all might
be a good idea.
As I recall, after doing a reset on the phone, it sets itself up again.
One step is to log into your Google account. At that point, there is a checkbox on whether or not you want to reinstall apps. Make sure it is deseclected. Basically you want to avoid restoring from a backup during
the setup after a reset.
2. How do I delete forever from google's memory those apps I found
unsatisfactory and deleted and NEVER want to even think about again? I
shudder to think that google might think that restoring them all might
be a good idea.
I found this, but it's not clear that it removes the apps from google's
list rather than just my phone's list.
On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 16:10:39 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
2. How do I delete forever from google's memory those apps I found
unsatisfactory and deleted and NEVER want to even think about again? I
shudder to think that google might think that restoring them all might
be a good idea.
I found this, but it's not clear that it removes the apps from google's
list rather than just my phone's list.
It's a good question for those few who have a google account on Android.
I don't have a google account so I had to google how to delete all the apps from the Google Play list (which is likely stored on a Google server so resetting the phone doesn't change that if it is stored on servers). https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+delete+app+list+from+google+play
This is the first reference which seems to give you the necessary steps. https://www.groovypost.com/howto/clear-downloaded-app-history-google-play-store/
"Swipe your finger from right to left to reveal the All apps section.
You'll see a complete list of every app you've downloaded from your Google account - including apps on other Android devices. You can delete
previously downloaded apps from the list by tapping the remove icon next to it. You aren't able to delete apps that are currently installed on your device from here though."
To delete the app listing on the Google servers, they say you can do it
from a PC.
"If your Android device isn't handy, you can delete your app history from your browser from your computer as well. Just go to the My Apps section Google Play Store and log in. Then select your device and click the
trashcan icon next to an app, and verify you want to uninstall it."
They then go on to tell you how to delete your google play store search history also.
https://www.groovypost.com/delete-google-play-search-history/
"Open Google Play Store and tap on the menu button. Then tap on the
Settings button. Next, under Settings, scroll down and tap on the "Clear Local Search History" option under General section. Note that you won't get
a special icon or notification that pops up. It just clears your Play Store search history from your phone."
The best way around all this is to simply not have a Google account set up
on the Android phone (it's easier not to have an account than to have one).
The best way around all this is to simply not have a Google account set up
on the Android phone (it's easier not to have an account than to have one).
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 30.06.23 um 03:01 schrieb Mickey D:
The best way around all this is to simply not have a Google account set up >>> on the Android phone (it's easier not to have an account than to have one). >>Sorry that is nonsense. To use an Android device reasonably it is useful
to set up a Google-Account to just have this device and not to use it
for anything else. That is just what I do. If I hadn't a Google-Account
many useful things would be impossible and the device could be thrown
into the garbage. Waste of money.
It is a total contradiction to buy an Android device and refuse to use a
Google Account. Then buy an iPhone or a Linux device if you can handle it.
The iPhones don't require an Apple account (aka Apple ID), like to use iCloud? I suppose, for online storage, you could use Dropbox or Google Drive, but then you're just giving the same info, but to someone else.
Can you use the iPhone's App Store without an Apple account? If not,
won't you have to sideload every app you want on the iPhone. There are
some bundled apps on the iPhone, but I don't see that suite of app as
being sufficient for how anyone wants to use the iPhone. If you forget
your password, you can use iForgot, but that has you verify your account information to reset your password which means you must have an Apple account.
I'm not sure an iPhone without an Apple ID is any worse or better than
for an Android phone without a Google account.
Am 30.06.23 um 03:01 schrieb Mickey D:
The best way around all this is to simply not have a Google account set up >> on the Android phone (it's easier not to have an account than to have one).
Sorry that is nonsense. To use an Android device reasonably it is useful
to set up a Google-Account to just have this device and not to use it
for anything else. That is just what I do. If I hadn't a Google-Account
many useful things would be impossible and the device could be thrown
into the garbage. Waste of money.
It is a total contradiction to buy an Android device and refuse to use a Google Account. Then buy an iPhone or a Linux device if you can handle it.
On 30 Jun 2023 at 3:21:09 AM, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
Am 30.06.23 um 03:01 schrieb Mickey D:
The best way around all this is to simply not have a Google account set up >>>> on the Android phone (it's easier not to have an account than to have one).
Sorry that is nonsense. To use an Android device reasonably it is useful >>> to set up a Google-Account to just have this device and not to use it
for anything else. That is just what I do. If I hadn't a Google-Account
many useful things would be impossible and the device could be thrown
into the garbage. Waste of money.
It is a total contradiction to buy an Android device and refuse to use a >>> Google Account. Then buy an iPhone or a Linux device if you can handle it.
Please do not respond to the trolls like Joerg Lorenz. First off, they
can't think for themselves. They only know what advertisers told them.
But secondly, as a result of only knowing what they saw in an Apple advertisement, they don't know you're correct that EVERYTHING you do on an iPhone is logged by Apple and saved forever (as far as anyone knows yet).
You can beg Apple for that information, but it's not easy to wipe out.
Apple also uses your personal information to feed you advertisements.
I did that and hope that it removes them from the on-site list. For all
I know google saves everything.
They then go on to tell you how to delete your google play store search
history also.
History is useful, and its existence doesn't bother me.
The best way around all this is to simply not have a Google account set up >> on the Android phone (it's easier not to have an account than to have one).
No, google provides useful stuff to account-holders even if some of it
is crippled. Contacts, saved addresses and locations, other stuff that
I only remember when I want to use it...
The feds already knows everything about me worth knowing.
All google et
al. can do with my info is try to sell me stuff, and if they want to
waste money and resources on that it's fine with me.
Am 30.06.23 um 03:01 schrieb Mickey D:
The best way around all this is to simply not have a Google account set up >>> on the Android phone (it's easier not to have an account than to have one). >>Sorry that is nonsense. To use an Android device reasonably it is useful
to set up a Google-Account to just have this device and not to use it
for anything else. That is just what I do. If I hadn't a Google-Account
many useful things would be impossible and the device could be thrown
into the garbage. Waste of money.
It is a total contradiction to buy an Android device and refuse to use a
Google Account. Then buy an iPhone or a Linux device if you can handle it.
The iPhones don't require an Apple account (aka Apple ID), like to use iCloud?
I suppose, for online storage, you could use Dropbox or Google
Drive, but then you're just giving the same info, but to someone else.
Can you use the iPhone's App Store without an Apple account?
won't you have to sideload every app you want on the iPhone.
There are
some bundled apps on the iPhone, but I don't see that suite of app as
being sufficient for how anyone wants to use the iPhone.
If you forget
your password, you can use iForgot, but that has you verify your account information to reset your password which means you must have an Apple account.
I'm not sure an iPhone without an Apple ID is any worse or better than
for an Android phone without a Google account.
On 30 Jun 2023 at 3:21:09 AM, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
Am 30.06.23 um 03:01 schrieb Mickey D:
The best way around all this is to simply not have a Google account set up >>>> on the Android phone (it's easier not to have an account than to have one).
Sorry that is nonsense. To use an Android device reasonably it is useful >>> to set up a Google-Account to just have this device and not to use it
for anything else. That is just what I do. If I hadn't a Google-Account
many useful things would be impossible and the device could be thrown
into the garbage. Waste of money.
It is a total contradiction to buy an Android device and refuse to use a >>> Google Account. Then buy an iPhone or a Linux device if you can handle it.
Please do not respond to the trolls like Joerg Lorenz. First off, they
can't think for themselves. They only know what advertisers told them.
But secondly, as a result of only knowing what they saw in an Apple advertisement, they don't know you're correct that EVERYTHING you do on an iPhone is logged by Apple and saved forever (as far as anyone knows yet).
You can beg Apple for that information, but it's not easy to wipe out.
Apple also uses your personal information to feed you advertisements.
The iPhones don't require an Apple account (aka Apple ID), like to use
iCloud?
Almost everything on the iPhone REQUIRES you to be logged into Apple
servers while almost nothing on Android requires that login account.
That's the main difference between accounts on the two platforms.
On iOS, almost nothing works without you being logged into the walled
garden, while on Android everything still works without a Google Account.
I suppose, for online storage, you could use Dropbox or Google
Drive, but then you're just giving the same info, but to someone else.
When people say "online storage" what they really mean is someone else's computer. Why would you want to store your data on someone's computer?
It may have made sense when phones had low amounts of storage.
And it may have made sense when computers had low amounts of storage.
But multi-terabyte USB NAS drives are less than a hundred bucks at Costco.
What smart people do nowadays is NOT store their data on someone else's servers. Instead they store data on their router-connected home NAS drive.
Can you use the iPhone's App Store without an Apple account?
No. You can not install an iPhone app without logging into Apple's servers. Apple will keep, forever, a log of everything you've installed.
But it's much (much) worse than that.
You have no privacy on iOS since EVERY APP on the iPhone is tagged with
your personal identification - which is why even free apps won't work on another iPhone (while free Android apps still work on any Android phone).
Every single time you run that app, there is a message sent to Apple
servers, which wouldn't keep this information if they didn't use it.
won't you have to sideload every app you want on the iPhone.
You can't easily "sideload" on an non-jailbroken iPhone but you really shouldn't call it sideloading since it's ONLY on the iOS platform that loading an app from a developers' own web site is considered evil.
On every other platform, whether Linux or Android (or even macOS), the "normal" way to load any app is to load it from the developers' web site.
The only other operating system that consumers use which makes it an evil thing to get an app outside the developers' own web site is the Chrome OS.
There are
some bundled apps on the iPhone, but I don't see that suite of app as
being sufficient for how anyone wants to use the iPhone.
At least on Android there is never a need to create a Google account.
On iOS, you must do almost everything through the Apple servers & account.
Apple does that for reasons specific to Apple but you know what they are.
You can jailbreak an iPhone but for most consumers, it's impossible to get
an app that you don't get by logging into the Apple App Store to get it.
Worse - all the apps you use are not only tagged with your personal identifcation number, but Apple keeps track of everything constantly.
It's all done because you have to log into Apple servers and use Apple accounts to get anything useful done on an iPhone - you can't avoid it.
And, better yet, at least free apps can be used on any Android phone
because they're not locked to your personal account like iOS apps are.
If you forget
your password, you can use iForgot, but that has you verify your account
information to reset your password which means you must have an Apple
account.
No. Apple has a new policy. You MUST present government ID if you want
ANYONE at Apple to unlock your device for you under ANY circumstances.
With Apple - you have no privacy.
I'm not sure an iPhone without an Apple ID is any worse or better than
for an Android phone without a Google account.
The problem with that statement is there is no equivalence.
It's like saying a person who has committed a hundred crimes against
humanity has the same credibility of someone who is a law abiding citizen.
There is no equivalence between running Android & iOS without an account
(not the least of the reasons being it's impossible to do with iOS but more importantly being Android runs BETTER without the Google account on it).
I heard the Ukrainians complain recently that the Russians said they blew
the dam and the Ukrainians said they didn't and the news gave them equivalence.
There is no equivalence between running an Android phone without having a Google ID (which is actually EASIER than running it with an ID), versus running an iPhone without having an Apple ID (which is impossible).
Do you use Windows 10?
How hard is it to run Windows 10 without a Microsoft login account?
Same with Android without a Google Account. Just hit the SKIP button.
Please do not respond to the trolls like Joerg Lorenz. First off, they
can't think for themselves. They only know what advertisers told
them.
But secondly, as a result of only knowing what they saw in an Apple advertisement, they don't know you're correct that EVERYTHING you do
on an iPhone is logged by Apple and saved forever (as far as anyone
knows yet).
You can beg Apple for that information, but it's not easy to wipe
out. Apple also uses your personal information to feed you
advertisements.
[VanguardLH] The iPhones don't require an Apple account (aka Apple ID), like to use
iCloud?
Almost everything on the iPhone REQUIRES you to be logged into Apple
servers while almost nothing on Android requires that login account.
That's the main difference between accounts on the two platforms.
On iOS, almost nothing works without you being logged into the walled
garden, while on Android everything still works without a Google
Account.
I suppose, for online storage, you could use Dropbox or Google
Drive, but then you're just giving the same info, but to someone else.
When people say "online storage" what they really mean is someone
else's computer. Why would you want to store your data on someone's
computer?
What smart people do nowadays is NOT store their data on someone
else's servers. Instead they store data on their router-connected
home NAS drive.
If you forget your password, you can use iForgot, but that has you
verify your account information to reset your password which means
you must have an Apple account.
No. Apple has a new policy. You MUST present government ID if you
want ANYONE at Apple to unlock your device for you under ANY
circumstances.
There is no equivalence between running an Android phone without
having a Google ID (which is actually EASIER than running it with an
ID), versus running an iPhone without having an Apple ID (which is impossible).
Don't you understand the difference between Apple and Google? Apple
sells products and *for Google you are the product*.
Not apropro to the statement I made to which you commented. I know you
just felt the need to opine, but your comment does not address whether
or not iPhones are usable without an Apple ID account.
I'm not sure an iPhone without an Apple ID is any worse or better than
for an Android phone without a Google account.
Don't you understand the difference between Apple and Google? Apple
sells products and *for Google you are the product*.
Take your meds.
Am 30.06.23 um 09:21 schrieb VanguardLH:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 30.06.23 um 03:01 schrieb Mickey D:The iPhones don't require an Apple account (aka Apple ID), like to use
The best way around all this is to simply not have a Google account set up >>>> on the Android phone (it's easier not to have an account than to have one).
Sorry that is nonsense. To use an Android device reasonably it is useful >>> to set up a Google-Account to just have this device and not to use it
for anything else. That is just what I do. If I hadn't a Google-Account
many useful things would be impossible and the device could be thrown
into the garbage. Waste of money.
It is a total contradiction to buy an Android device and refuse to use a >>> Google Account. Then buy an iPhone or a Linux device if you can handle it. >>
iCloud? I suppose, for online storage, you could use Dropbox or Google
Drive, but then you're just giving the same info, but to someone else.
Don't you understand the difference between Apple and Google? Apple
sells products and *for Google you are the product*.
Can you use the iPhone's App Store without an Apple account? If not,
won't you have to sideload every app you want on the iPhone. There are
some bundled apps on the iPhone, but I don't see that suite of app as
being sufficient for how anyone wants to use the iPhone. If you forget
your password, you can use iForgot, but that has you verify your account
information to reset your password which means you must have an Apple
account.
I'm not sure an iPhone without an Apple ID is any worse or better than
for an Android phone without a Google account.
Don't you understand the difference between Apple and Google? Apple
sells products and *for Google you are the product*.
On 30 Jun 2023 at 8:20:50 PM, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
Don't you understand the difference between Apple and Google? Apple
sells products and *for Google you are the product*.
Not apropro to the statement I made to which you commented. I know you
just felt the need to opine, but your comment does not address whether
or not iPhones are usable without an Apple ID account.
If you'd stop responding to that joerg troll you wouldn't have to explain
the most basic of the simplest things about iPhones - such as that fact.
I'm not sure an iPhone without an Apple ID is any worse or better than >>>> for an Android phone without a Google account.
Don't you understand the difference between Apple and Google? Apple
sells products and *for Google you are the product*.
Take your meds.
The joerg troll doesn't know how either Android or iPhones work where you can't do anything on an iPhone without logging into the Apple servers.
On Android the phone does exactly the same stuff with an account or without an account - and remember that every app on the iPhone has your ID in it.
Even free apps have your id embedded into it which Apple logs every use of.
On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 22:32:13 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
I did that and hope that it removes them from the on-site list. For all
I know google saves everything.
Well, I think every company makes backups. And then they make backups of
the backups. So, I guess, at some point, it's still there in a backup.
They then go on to tell you how to delete your google play store search
history also.
History is useful, and its existence doesn't bother me.
One of the best ways to keep a history is to save the entire installation setup (including homescreen folder and icon locations) to a backup file.
When you get a new phone, you just reload that homescreen folder and icon location backup and then tap each "gray" icon until it turns into color.
The best way around all this is to simply not have a Google account set up >>> on the Android phone (it's easier not to have an account than to have one). >>No, google provides useful stuff to account-holders even if some of it
is crippled. Contacts, saved addresses and locations, other stuff that
I only remember when I want to use it...
Contacts can be imported and exported to and from a text file (vcard or csv formats, for example) and then re-used on all sorts of devices & platforms.
The feds already knows everything about me worth knowing.
Do you also kick the neighborhood dog when nobody is looking at you?
It's not much different to upload to Google servers other people's contact information that you are privileged to know but which you don't protect.
All google et
al. can do with my info is try to sell me stuff, and if they want to
waste money and resources on that it's fine with me.
What you're missing is that you are violating the trust of everyone around you when you spread their contact information without their permission.
When you get a new phone, you just reload that homescreen folder and icon
location backup and then tap each "gray" icon until it turns into color.
Does that include all the personalization?
The list of saved google map
locations and the fonts your text editor uses? When I turned on the
Pixel2 it asked me if I wanted to import the stuff from my previous (Motorola) phone. I said sure. It took everything just the way I had
it. I was absolutely amazed. I think I needed an OTG cable, which I
should look for in my big box o' crap...
Supposedly google backs up my phone automatically. It may have
volunteered to do that and I saw no reason to object.
The best way around all this is to simply not have a Google account set up >>>> on the Android phone (it's easier not to have an account than to have one).
No, google provides useful stuff to account-holders even if some of it
is crippled. Contacts, saved addresses and locations, other stuff that
I only remember when I want to use it...
Contacts can be imported and exported to and from a text file (vcard or csv >> formats, for example) and then re-used on all sorts of devices & platforms.
Vcard is devilspawn. TB uses it for its address book. All I want there
is name and email address, but there's god knows how much other useless
crap. If I want to print my addressbook it will be something like 700
pages. No. I can do a lot of manipulation and eventually print out
just what I want, but it shouldn't be that difficult.
The feds already knows everything about me worth knowing.
Do you also kick the neighborhood dog when nobody is looking at you?
:-) No, I like dogs and would never even frown at one.
It's not much different to upload to Google servers other people's contact >> information that you are privileged to know but which you don't protect.
Name and email address. Anyone who regards that as private information
now is sadly deluded.
All google et
al. can do with my info is try to sell me stuff, and if they want to
waste money and resources on that it's fine with me.
What you're missing is that you are violating the trust of everyone around >> you when you spread their contact information without their permission.
Hey, I'm just returning the favor!
Online storage means just
that: storage that is accessed online (via networking, and typically not
on your own intranet).
Encrypt anything you consider sensitive information.
Also consider that just because your sensitive
data is on local storage doesn't mean it is protected. If your data is worthy of encryption in-situ and during transport then it is worthy of encryption when stored locally, too.
What smart people do nowadays is NOT store their data on someone
else's servers. Instead they store data on their router-connected
home NAS drive.
So, your data is insecure within the confines of your intranet.
No. Apple has a new policy. You MUST present government ID if you
want ANYONE at Apple to unlock your device for you under ANY
circumstances.
Wow, like having to present "papers" to cross a border between states. Reminds me of old WWII movies where everyone had to carry "papers"
showing identity and travel permission.
So, how does one present gov't ID to Apple? Fax it?
So, just how does Apple *securely* have you transfer a copy of your
gov't ID? I suspect transmission is not secure.
There is no equivalence between running an Android phone without
having a Google ID (which is actually EASIER than running it with an
ID), versus running an iPhone without having an Apple ID (which is
impossible).
Thanks for the clarification.
When I saw Joerg indicate that an iPhone
doesn't need an Apple account, it just seemed wrong.
I've only had one
Apple device, an iPad my HMO sent to me for free but which was severely lockdown to be usable only with their services and docs. I couldn't
even put shortcuts on the home screen which was locked, so they had to
go on another screen. The iPad was useless without an Apple ID account.
I shipped the iPad back to the HMO. They provided the return shipping,
and I didn't want to just trash the iPad when someone else might think
it was great. I deleted all info, like the Apple ID, and hoped the HMO
would simply wipe the device by using a sysprep image before handing it
off to another user. Between the HMO's lockdown (managed) iPad, and the Apple crap, I wasn't going to afflict myself with the crap.
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
Online storage means just that: storage that is accessed online (via
networking, and typically not on your own intranet).
It's storage you have no control over.
It's storage that is the focus of determined hacks.
It's storage that may easily contain personal information about you.
Why bother when terabytes of local storage is extremely inexpensive today?
Encrypt anything you consider sensitive information.
Veracrypt/Truecrypt (EDS on Android).
KeepassXC (Keepass-to-Android on Android).
So, how does one present gov't ID to Apple?
Nope. You have to go into the store. We could look it up but it made
the news as it's a "new" policy (as of something like a year or so
ago). It made the news then.
When I saw Joerg indicate that an iPhone doesn't need an Apple
account, it just seemed wrong.
I don't see anything from Joerg unless you quote him. Nobody else
responds to him (just look). Except you. Everyone else has him
"muted."
On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 13:24:44 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
When you get a new phone, you just reload that homescreen folder and icon >>> location backup and then tap each "gray" icon until it turns into color.
Does that include all the personalization?
No. One text file is too easy and too simple for something that detailed. It's just the entire homescreen setup - all the apps - and folders.
And all the locations for the apps and folders.
The list of saved google map
locations and the fonts your text editor uses? When I turned on the
Pixel2 it asked me if I wanted to import the stuff from my previous
(Motorola) phone. I said sure. It took everything just the way I had
it. I was absolutely amazed. I think I needed an OTG cable, which I
should look for in my big box o' crap...
For a complete backup, you can't beat what Google has designed for that.
Supposedly google backs up my phone automatically. It may have
volunteered to do that and I saw no reason to object.
Everyone has a different idea of what a 'full backup' entails.
Here are some apps which purport to do a 'more full' backup. https://www.androidauthority.com/best-android-backup-apps-and-other-ways-too-608014/
Noticeably missing is Titanium Backup, which is the gold standard. https://www.titaniumtrack.com/titanium-backup.html
But it requires being rooted.
The feds already knows everything about me worth knowing.
Do you also kick the neighborhood dog when nobody is looking at you?
:-) No, I like dogs and would never even frown at one.
My point was that most people are inconsiderate to their friends & family because they don't take any precautions to protect their contact data.
It's not much different to upload to Google servers other people's contact >>> information that you are privileged to know but which you don't protect.
Name and email address. Anyone who regards that as private information
now is sadly deluded.
No. Wrong. You have children in your contacts. Their phone numbers. Perhaps their birthdays. Perhaps even their home address. Think of the children.
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
KeepassXC (Keepass-to-Android on Android).
So far, I don't need any software to remember the myriad of passwords
that I have that are unique per domain. I came up with an algorithm to create passwords that I can memorize, along with 3 variants for sites
that are weird in the requirements how to define a password. If that
scheme falls down, yep, I'll have to look at a means of accessing my passwords across multiple hosts on and off my network. I take it
KeepassXC is a variant of KeePass which doesn't support Android or iOS.
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
So far, I don't need any software to remember the myriad of passwords
that I have that are unique per domain. I came up with an algorithm to
create passwords that I can memorize, along with 3 variants for sites
that are weird in the requirements how to define a password. If that
scheme falls down, yep, I'll have to look at a means of accessing my
passwords across multiple hosts on and off my network. I take it
KeepassXC is a variant of KeePass which doesn't support Android or iOS.
I haven't tried, but there is an Android app.
https://keepassxc.org/download/
Macos, windows, linux, sourcecode
https://keepassxc.org/docs/
Does KeePassXC work on mobile phones? If not, which app would you recommend?
We don't have our own mobile app, but you can have the same
functionality on both Android and iOS!
For Android, we recommend KeePassDX and KeePass2Android.
And for iOS, we suggest Strongbox and KeePassium.
For KeePassXC, porting it properly to mobile platforms would require a
full rewrite. You may be able to compile KeePassXC for the mobile OS of
your choice, but it isn't at all optimized for mobile screen sizes and
form factors, let alone multi-touch input. We also don't see any
advantage in providing a mobile version of KeePassXC when there are
already excellent options.
I can't even remember how I got there, but I know that google play has a record of every app I've installed on the devices I've used (2 tablets,
3 phones...) with the account I use for my phone. Even the ones I
deleted. I seem to remember the entire list being installed on a new
phone.
At this point there may be hundreds of unwanted apps in this
list. I don't EVER want to have to delete all those unsatisfactory apps again -- and I suspect that they might even fill up the memory of
whatever phone I buy next..
1. What is this list called and how do I get to it with either my
computer or my phone? I've flailed around for half an hour with no success.
2. How do I delete forever from google's memory those apps I found unsatisfactory and deleted and NEVER want to even think about again? I shudder to think that google might think that restoring them all might
be a good idea.
On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 13:24:44 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
For a complete backup, you can't beat what Google has designed for that.
Supposedly google backs up my phone automatically. It may have
volunteered to do that and I saw no reason to object.
Everyone has a different idea of what a 'full backup' entails.
Here are some apps which purport to do a 'more full' backup. https://www.androidauthority.com/best-android-backup-apps-and-other-ways-too-608014/
Noticeably missing is Titanium Backup, which is the gold standard. https://www.titaniumtrack.com/titanium-backup.html
But it requires being rooted.
Vcard is devilspawn. TB uses it for its address book. All I want thereThe best way around all this is to simply not have a Google account set up
on the Android phone (it's easier not to have an account than to have one).
No, google provides useful stuff to account-holders even if some of it >>>> is crippled. Contacts, saved addresses and locations, other stuff that >>>> I only remember when I want to use it...
Contacts can be imported and exported to and from a text file (vcard or csv >>> formats, for example) and then re-used on all sorts of devices & platforms. >>
is name and email address, but there's god knows how much other useless
crap. If I want to print my addressbook it will be something like 700
pages. No. I can do a lot of manipulation and eventually print out
just what I want, but it shouldn't be that difficult.
While vcard and ccv may very well be the spawn of the devil, the good news
is it's buried underground where you don't have to ever LOOK at it.
It's just a file. You import it. You export it.
You don't have to look at it.
The feds already knows everything about me worth knowing.
Do you also kick the neighborhood dog when nobody is looking at you?
:-) No, I like dogs and would never even frown at one.
My point was that most people are inconsiderate to their friends & family because they don't take any precautions to protect their contact data.
It's not much different to upload to Google servers other people's contact >>> information that you are privileged to know but which you don't protect.
Name and email address. Anyone who regards that as private information
now is sadly deluded.
No. Wrong. You have children in your contacts. Their phone numbers. Perhaps their birthdays. Perhaps even their home address. Think of the children.
All google et
al. can do with my info is try to sell me stuff, and if they want to
waste money and resources on that it's fine with me.
What you're missing is that you are violating the trust of everyone around >>> you when you spread their contact information without their permission.
Hey, I'm just returning the favor!
I understand most people don't care about other people's privacy.
I was simply trying to sensitize you to a more responsible level of action.
I think you understood.
I can't even remember how I got there, but I know that google play has a record of every app I've installed on the devices I've used (2 tablets,
3 phones...) with the account I use for my phone. Even the ones I
deleted. I seem to remember the entire list being installed on a new
phone. At this point there may be hundreds of unwanted apps in this
list. I don't EVER want to have to delete all those unsatisfactory apps again -- and I suspect that they might even fill up the memory of
whatever phone I buy next..
1. What is this list called and how do I get to it with either my
computer or my phone? I've flailed around for half an hour with no success.
2. How do I delete forever from google's memory those apps I found unsatisfactory and deleted and NEVER want to even think about again? I shudder to think that google might think that restoring them all might
be a good idea.
Cheers, Bev
VanguardLH wrote:
KeePass: Windows only.
No. Windows, Linux, MacOS, BSD
(source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KeePass)
AFAIK the vault is a local file, not the cloud. So, not shared. But the
file itself can be read by another app, they all use the same definition (AFAIK).
Of course, the file could be placed in a network share which you access remotely - but not by two apps at the same time.
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
So far, I don't need any software to remember the myriad of passwords
that I have that are unique per domain. I came up with an algorithm to
create passwords that I can memorize, along with 3 variants for sites
that are weird in the requirements how to define a password. If that
scheme falls down, yep, I'll have to look at a means of accessing my
passwords across multiple hosts on and off my network. I take it
KeepassXC is a variant of KeePass which doesn't support Android or iOS.
I haven't tried, but there is an Android app.
https://keepassxc.org/download/
Macos, windows, linux, sourcecode
https://keepassxc.org/docs/
Does KeePassXC work on mobile phones? If not, which app would you recommend? >>
We don't have our own mobile app, but you can have the same
functionality on both Android and iOS!
For Android, we recommend KeePassDX and KeePass2Android.
And for iOS, we suggest Strongbox and KeePassium.
For KeePassXC, porting it properly to mobile platforms would require a
full rewrite. You may be able to compile KeePassXC for the mobile OS of
your choice, but it isn't at all optimized for mobile screen sizes and
form factors, let alone multi-touch input. We also don't see any
advantage in providing a mobile version of KeePassXC when there are
already excellent options.
KeePass: Windows only.
KeePassDX: Android only.
KeePassium: iOS only.
and several more ports of KeePass are listed on their download page: https://keepass.info/download.html
Can all of these share the same vault, so your passwords would be
accessible on any platform?
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
KeePass: Windows only.
No. Windows, Linux, MacOS, BSD
(source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KeePass)
https://keepass.info/
I didn't scroll down, but then the non-Windows versions are
contributions, not developed by KeePass proper.
AFAIK the vault is a local file, not the cloud. So, not shared. But the
file itself can be read by another app, they all use the same definition
(AFAIK).
Of course, the file could be placed in a network share which you access
remotely - but not by two apps at the same time.
Hmm, not for me then. I would want to access my password from multiple platforms from multiple locations. If the vault is just a local file,
even if encrypted, I don't need more software to encrypt. I can create encrypted files now. Nope, don't want to lug around a USB drive with encrypted files, either. I'll stick with my memorized algorithms that
gives me strong unique passwords per domain until it becomes too
unwieldly, or more brain cells die off with age.
On 30 Jun 2023 at 3:01:59 PM, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
I don't see anything from Joerg unless you quote him.
Nobody else responds to him (just look). Except you.
Everyone else has him "muted."
I'll stick with my memorized algorithms that gives me strong unique
passwords
until it becomes too unwieldly, or more brain cells die off with
age.
My public address rarely contains spam not caught by google.
On 7/1/2023 1:35 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
My public address rarely contains spam not caught by google.
Google's spam filters work good for me too. Trouble is I still have to
check the spam folder just in case something legitimate got in there and
in so doing I still get spammed by their (often graphic laden) title
lines...
Why bother when terabytes of local storage is extremely inexpensive today?
I would have to go jump through hoops to define the file server, punch a
hole through my router's firewall, and use VNC, or similar, on both my
file server host and on the remote host provided that remote host wasn't locked down.
I've tried TeamViewer, and some others that rely on the
firewall defaulting to passing HTTPS traffic, but those are overkill,
plus the remote host could be locked down to disallow installing any software. They could also disable the USB controllers, so no portable software, either, which leaves back with web access. With web storage,
I can get at my data anywhere. With your scheme, I can only get at it locally, or have to setup an Internet-accessible file server.
Encrypt anything you consider sensitive information.
Veracrypt/Truecrypt (EDS on Android).
I use Veracrypt. Quit using Truecrypt when they posted a yellow canary,
and made the latest version read only. Luckily the code got picked up
by Veracrypt. I've never bothered with whole-disk encryption, and just
used encrypted containers that get mounted as drives.
KeepassXC (Keepass-to-Android on Android).
So far, I don't need any software to remember the myriad of passwords
that I have that are unique per domain. I came up with an algorithm to create passwords that I can memorize, along with 3 variants for sites
that are weird in the requirements how to define a password. If that
scheme falls down, yep, I'll have to look at a means of accessing my passwords across multiple hosts on and off my network. I take it
KeepassXC is a variant of KeePass which doesn't support Android or iOS.
So, how does one present gov't ID to Apple?
Nope. You have to go into the store. We could look it up but it made
the news as it's a "new" policy (as of something like a year or so
ago). It made the news then.
There are only 3 Apple stores in my metropolis of 3.7 million. None are close. In fact, all their stores are located in my metropolis, so folks elswhere in the state would have a very long drive.
From their store
list, other than a couple states, the density of Apple stores is sparse.
When I saw Joerg indicate that an iPhone doesn't need an Apple
account, it just seemed wrong.
I don't see anything from Joerg unless you quote him. Nobody else
responds to him (just look). Except you. Everyone else has him
"muted."
I'll check on that.
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