• Lock Home Screen icons

    From Bob Henson@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 7 09:11:20 2023
    I'm using a Moto g 5G plus running Android 11. Does anyone know of a way
    to lock the positions of the icons on the home screen so they cannot be accidentally moved? I've searched around the web quite extensively but
    cannot find a way to do it on *this phone* with *Android 11*. It seems
    to be a function that's built into some phones and maybe into other
    Android versions.

    --
    Bob,
    Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

    The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Bob Henson on Wed Jun 7 09:50:00 2023
    Bob Henson wrote:

    I'm using a Moto g 5G plus running Android 11. Does anyone know of a way
    to lock the positions of the icons on the home screen so they cannot be accidentally moved?  I've searched around the web quite extensively but cannot find a way to do it on *this phone* with *Android 11*. It seems
    to be a function that's built into some phones and maybe into other
    Android versions.

    I don't know what Motorola's default launcher is, but certainly I've
    seen the "layout lock" feature in 3rd party launchers (Nova Launcher was
    one I used to use).

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  • From Daniel Washington@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Jun 7 19:00:45 2023
    On 07/06/2023 10:50, Andy Burns wrote:
    I'm using a Moto g 5G plus running Android 11. Does anyone know of a way
    to lock the positions of the icons on the home screen so they cannot be
    accidentally moved?  I've searched around the web quite extensively but
    cannot find a way to do it on *this phone* with *Android 11*. It seems
    to be a function that's built into some phones and maybe into other
    Android versions.

    I don't know what Motorola's default launcher is, but certainly I've
    seen the "layout lock" feature in 3rd party launchers (Nova Launcher was
    one I used to use).

    The Nova launcher definitely can lock icons wherever you have them placed. (Although, like you probably did, I need to find a replacement for it.)

    Not only that, but Nova will "reload" them if you saved the configuration
    and then accidentally (or purposefully) moved the homescreen icons around.

    Nova even saves the icon positions for apps inside the folders (which is
    useful when you move from one phone to another & want to replicate by
    putting everything in the new phone where it was on the old phone).

    And Nova let's you change the icons (and names) and arrange those icons on
    any grid that you like (using a wide number of shapes & shadowing styles).

    The free Nova launcher should work on almost any Android phone (AFAIK). https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teslacoilsw.launcher

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  • From Bob Henson@21:1/5 to Daniel Washington on Wed Jun 7 18:36:51 2023
    On 7.6.23 6:00 pm, Daniel Washington wrote:
    On 07/06/2023 10:50, Andy Burns wrote:
    I'm using a Moto g 5G plus running Android 11. Does anyone know of a way >>> to lock the positions of the icons on the home screen so they cannot be
    accidentally moved?� I've searched around the web quite extensively but >>> cannot find a way to do it on *this phone* with *Android 11*. It seems
    to be a function that's built into some phones and maybe into other
    Android versions.

    I don't know what Motorola's default launcher is, but certainly I've
    seen the "layout lock" feature in 3rd party launchers (Nova Launcher was
    one I used to use).

    The Nova launcher definitely can lock icons wherever you have them placed. (Although, like you probably did, I need to find a replacement for it.)

    Not only that, but Nova will "reload" them if you saved the configuration
    and then accidentally (or purposefully) moved the homescreen icons around.

    Nova even saves the icon positions for apps inside the folders (which is useful when you move from one phone to another & want to replicate by
    putting everything in the new phone where it was on the old phone).

    And Nova let's you change the icons (and names) and arrange those icons on any grid that you like (using a wide number of shapes & shadowing styles).

    The free Nova launcher should work on almost any Android phone (AFAIK). https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teslacoilsw.launcher

    I'll have a look at it, but I was hoping to be able to do it from within
    the phone's standard software. The recent comments on Nova don't suggest
    it is to reliable.


    --
    Bob,
    Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

    The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Bob Henson on Wed Jun 7 18:58:22 2023
    Bob Henson wrote:

    Daniel Washington wrote:

    The free Nova launcher should work on almost any Android phone

    I'll have a look at it, but I was hoping to be able to do it from within
    the phone's standard software. The recent comments on Nova don't suggest
    it is to reliable.

    There are probably a hundred other launchers ...

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  • From Daniel Washington@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Jun 7 20:17:58 2023
    On 07/06/2023 23:28, Andy Burns wrote:
    The free Nova launcher should work on almost any Android phone

    I'll have a look at it, but I was hoping to be able to do it from within
    the phone's standard software. The recent comments on Nova don't suggest
    it is to reliable.

    There are probably a hundred other launchers ...

    It's hard to believe that some don't realize that the best app launcher
    isn't necessarily the one that the carrier put on the phone by default.

    https://play.google.com/store/search?q=app%20launcher%20lock%20icon&c=apps

    My advice is to choose a launcher you like, and then keep it for the next
    five or ten phones (unless you find a better app launcher in that time).

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Daniel Washington on Wed Jun 7 11:41:43 2023
    On 2023-06-07 11:17, Daniel Washington wrote:
    On 07/06/2023 23:28, Andy Burns wrote:
    The free Nova launcher should work on almost any Android phone

    I'll have a look at it, but I was hoping to be able to do it from
    within the phone's standard software. The recent comments on Nova
    don't suggest it is to reliable.

    There are probably a hundred other launchers ...

    It's hard to believe that some don't realize that the best app launcher
    isn't necessarily the one that the carrier put on the phone by default.

    https://play.google.com/store/search?q=app%20launcher%20lock%20icon&c=apps

    My advice is to choose a launcher you like, and then keep it for the next five or ten phones (unless you find a better app launcher in that time).

    It's hard to believe that you don't understand that most people DON'T
    WANT TO CHOOSE A LAUNCHER.

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  • From Bob Henson@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Jun 7 19:53:40 2023
    On 7.6.23 7:41 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-06-07 11:17, Daniel Washington wrote:
    On 07/06/2023 23:28, Andy Burns wrote:
    The free Nova launcher should work on almost any Android phone

    I'll have a look at it, but I was hoping to be able to do it from
    within the phone's standard software. The recent comments on Nova
    don't suggest it is to reliable.

    There are probably a hundred other launchers ...

    It's hard to believe that some don't realize that the best app launcher
    isn't necessarily the one that the carrier put on the phone by default.

    https://play.google.com/store/search?q=app%20launcher%20lock%20icon&c=apps >>
    My advice is to choose a launcher you like, and then keep it for the next
    five or ten phones (unless you find a better app launcher in that time).

    It's hard to believe that you don't understand that most people DON'T
    WANT TO CHOOSE A LAUNCHER.

    Quite!

    --
    Bob,
    Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

    The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

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  • From Bob Henson@21:1/5 to Daniel Washington on Wed Jun 7 19:53:16 2023
    On 7.6.23 7:17 pm, Daniel Washington wrote:
    On 07/06/2023 23:28, Andy Burns wrote:
    The free Nova launcher should work on almost any Android phone

    I'll have a look at it, but I was hoping to be able to do it from within >>> the phone's standard software. The recent comments on Nova don't suggest >>> it is to reliable.

    There are probably a hundred other launchers ...

    It's hard to believe that some don't realize that the best app launcher
    isn't necessarily the one that the carrier put on the phone by default.

    https://play.google.com/store/search?q=app%20launcher%20lock%20icon&c=apps

    My advice is to choose a launcher you like, and then keep it for the next five or ten phones (unless you find a better app launcher in that time).


    Most phone users would not have the faintest idea what a launcher was -
    nor would they change if they did. As mine is fine other than that one
    item, I too would be loath to swap the devil I know for the devil I
    don't know. I assumed that such a function would (or certainly should)
    be part of Android. Now I'm told it isn't, I can look elsewhere and look
    for advice as to which launcher might do the job and be reliable. I have frequently found in the IT world that the old maxim "If it works, don't
    fix it" trumps all other cards - so advice from someone with the same
    phone and who has tried several launchers would be handy before I try to
    fix it.

    --
    Bob,
    Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

    The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Bob Henson on Wed Jun 7 18:55:23 2023
    Bob Henson <fake@obfuscation.net> wrote:
    I'm using a Moto g 5G plus running Android 11. Does anyone know of a way
    to lock the positions of the icons on the home screen so they cannot be accidentally moved? I've searched around the web quite extensively but cannot find a way to do it on *this phone* with *Android 11*. It seems
    to be a function that's built into some phones and maybe into other
    Android versions.

    Well, for example my Samsung phone has it and it's in the most obvious
    place: Settings -> Home screen. If your phone has the feature, it should
    be in such an obvious place.

    My phone also has a search function to search in the Settings 'app'.
    Perhaps your phone has such a function too.

    Other than that, get another launcher, as some others have suggested.

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  • From Daniel Washington@21:1/5 to Bob Henson on Thu Jun 8 10:32:04 2023
    On 07/06/2023 20:53, Bob Henson wrote:
    My advice is to choose a launcher you like, and then keep it for the next
    five or ten phones (unless you find a better app launcher in that time).

    Most phone users would not have the faintest idea what a launcher was -
    nor would they change if they did.

    If you were saying that in an Apple newsgroup, I would agree with you.
    Android users bought Android because they wanted the freedom to do things.

    As mine is fine other than that one
    item, I too would be loath to swap the devil I know for the devil I
    don't know.

    I think most Android users who aren't stupid know that you can change the default app launcher at will just like you can change the default anything.

    It's in the settings - right in their face - so they can't miss the choice.

    I assumed that such a function would (or certainly should)
    be part of Android. Now I'm told it isn't, I can look elsewhere and look
    for advice as to which launcher might do the job and be reliable.

    If you want to have one and only one launcher choice, then buy an iPhone.
    But keep in mind that the iPhone launcher is just about as bad as can be.

    I have
    frequently found in the IT world that the old maxim "If it works, don't
    fix it" trumps all other cards - so advice from someone with the same
    phone and who has tried several launchers would be handy before I try to
    fix it.

    Changing the app launcher is no different than changing a web browser.

    It's right there in the settings. Next to the default browser.
    Next to the default messenger. Next to the default dialer. And so on.

    You can install as many of those apps as you want and set one at a time to
    the default and if you don't like it you can just switch the default back.

    You sound like you should own an iPhone instead of an Android phone because you're afraid to do something as trivial as set a different default app.

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  • From Bob Henson@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Thu Jun 8 10:53:44 2023
    On 7.6.23 7:55 pm, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Bob Henson <fake@obfuscation.net> wrote:
    I'm using a Moto g 5G plus running Android 11. Does anyone know of a way
    to lock the positions of the icons on the home screen so they cannot be
    accidentally moved? I've searched around the web quite extensively but
    cannot find a way to do it on *this phone* with *Android 11*. It seems
    to be a function that's built into some phones and maybe into other
    Android versions.

    Well, for example my Samsung phone has it and it's in the most obvious place: Settings -> Home screen. If your phone has the feature, it should
    be in such an obvious place.


    I read that particular one whilst researching the problem. Mine doesn't
    have it in that place or in any obvious place, that's why I'm asking in
    here. I'm as capable as the next man of missing something which *should*
    be obvious, so I asked.

    My phone also has a search function to search in the Settings 'app'. Perhaps your phone has such a function too.

    It has, but I didn't find anything with it that appeared useful.

    Other than that, get another launcher, as some others have suggested.

    That would appear to be the only way to go. It just seemed ridiculous
    to me that such a basic function it wasn't part of the O/S, so I asked
    where I hoped their would be people a lot more technically smart then me.

    That leaves me with the problem of finding one that has that facility
    and that is reliable. Experience dictates that that may be far from
    simple. The manufacturers of phones usually pick the best one for their
    phone and factory fit it. As I type, I've just had a reply come in from Motorola, so that may help.

    Thanks for your help.


    --
    Bob,
    Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

    The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

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  • From Bob Henson@21:1/5 to Daniel Washington on Thu Jun 8 10:33:11 2023
    On 8.6.23 9:32 am, Daniel Washington wrote:
    On 07/06/2023 20:53, Bob Henson wrote:
    My advice is to choose a launcher you like, and then keep it for the next >>> five or ten phones (unless you find a better app launcher in that time).

    Most phone users would not have the faintest idea what a launcher was -
    nor would they change if they did.

    If you were saying that in an Apple newsgroup, I would agree with you. Android users bought Android because they wanted the freedom to do things.

    No, most people buy Android phones because they are cheaper than Apple
    and work just as well. Most people have no idea what an operating system
    is, and certainly don't want to. I used to volunteer as a computer buddy
    at out library and, as such, got asked about phones and tablets as well
    as laptops and desktops. I can assure you that Joe Public has no idea
    whatever what Android is - if it isn't a robot in Doctor Who or similar.


    As mine is fine other than that one
    item, I too would be loath to swap the devil I know for the devil I
    don't know.

    I think most Android users who aren't stupid know that you can change the default app launcher at will just like you can change the default anything.

    Most Android phone users have no idea what is in their phones - they buy
    them and use them. Most people buy cars to drive around - not to play at changing engines or reconfiguring their dashboards.

    It's in the settings - right in their face - so they can't miss the choice.

    Most phone users never go anywhere near the settings - and panic if you
    suggest they should. You are talking about Android
    buffs/hobbyists/fanatics whose first reaction is to alter everything,
    with frequently disastrous results.


    I assumed that such a function would (or certainly should)
    be part of Android. Now I'm told it isn't, I can look elsewhere and look
    for advice as to which launcher might do the job and be reliable.

    If you want to have one and only one launcher choice, then buy an iPhone.
    But keep in mind that the iPhone launcher is just about as bad as can be.


    Most software on iPhones is - but Joe or Jo Public just use it and don't
    think about it.

    I have
    frequently found in the IT world that the old maxim "If it works, don't
    fix it" trumps all other cards - so advice from someone with the same
    phone and who has tried several launchers would be handy before I try to
    fix it.

    Changing the app launcher is no different than changing a web browser.

    Which most people never do - they are not IT buffs, don't want to be and
    never change what they buy ready installed. You should work with them
    and see the look of fear and panic on their faces if you suggest
    altering anything.


    It's right there in the settings. Next to the default browser.
    Next to the default messenger. Next to the default dialer. And so on.

    So you can tell me where the default setting is for locking the home
    screen - what is it right next to?


    You can install as many of those apps as you want and set one at a time to the default and if you don't like it you can just switch the default back.

    And you'd be amazed how many people try that and brick their phones
    doing it. Your average F*c*book user buys it, uses it, and that's that.
    They didn't buy it to change it, they don't want to change it, they
    aren't going to change it.

    You sound like you should own an iPhone instead of an Android phone because you're afraid to do something as trivial as set a different default app.

    Tripe! I've rooted phones and applied custom ROMs and, guessing you're a
    kid, probably used analogue mobiles before you were born. I asked my
    question because I was hoping there was a way to do it without major
    change and that people might be kind enough to help - not go off on a ridiculous rant. When you grow up, you will find out how little you
    really knew about people and what they did and what they wanted.

    Plonk!

    --
    Bob,
    Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

    The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

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  • From Bob Henson@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Thu Jun 8 10:59:23 2023
    On 7.6.23 7:55 pm, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Bob Henson <fake@obfuscation.net> wrote:
    I'm using a Moto g 5G plus running Android 11. Does anyone know of a way
    to lock the positions of the icons on the home screen so they cannot be
    accidentally moved? I've searched around the web quite extensively but
    cannot find a way to do it on *this phone* with *Android 11*. It seems
    to be a function that's built into some phones and maybe into other
    Android versions.

    Well, for example my Samsung phone has it and it's in the most obvious place: Settings -> Home screen. If your phone has the feature, it should
    be in such an obvious place.

    My phone also has a search function to search in the Settings 'app'. Perhaps your phone has such a function too.

    Other than that, get another launcher, as some others have suggested.

    Motorola confirm that it cannot be done with my phone but say they have
    put the idea forward for future inclusion. It would be nice to think
    they actually will do that. They suggest, as folk have done in here,
    that a new launcher is the only answer for now, but do not suggest which
    one.


    --
    Bob,
    Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

    The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

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  • From Daniel Washington@21:1/5 to Bob Henson on Thu Jun 8 12:11:11 2023
    On 08/06/2023 11:33, Bob Henson wrote:
    If you were saying that in an Apple newsgroup, I would agree with you.
    Android users bought Android because they wanted the freedom to do things. >>
    No, most people buy Android phones because they are cheaper than Apple
    and work just as well.

    People who choose Android don't buy based on only style & fear.

    Most people have no idea what an operating system
    is, and certainly don't want to.

    Most people know Android advertises on functionality price performance.

    I used to volunteer as a computer buddy
    at out library and, as such, got asked about phones and tablets as well
    as laptops and desktops. I can assure you that Joe Public has no idea whatever what Android is - if it isn't a robot in Doctor Who or similar.

    You might be talking about someone who buys a $100 Android phone to replace their $50 flip phone but for someone who buys an $800 Android, rest assured they could have bought a $400 Android but they bought on price:performance.

    As mine is fine other than that one
    item, I too would be loath to swap the devil I know for the devil I
    don't know.

    I think most Android users who aren't stupid know that you can change the
    default app launcher at will just like you can change the default anything.

    Most Android phone users have no idea what is in their phones - they buy
    them and use them. Most people buy cars to drive around - not to play at changing engines or reconfiguring their dashboards.

    Android sells a wide range of products based on price to performance.


    It's in the settings - right in their face - so they can't miss the choice.

    Most phone users never go anywhere near the settings - and panic if you suggest they should. You are talking about Android
    buffs/hobbyists/fanatics whose first reaction is to alter everything,
    with frequently disastrous results.

    I disagree with you that most phone users never go near the settings.

    I assumed that such a function would (or certainly should)
    be part of Android. Now I'm told it isn't, I can look elsewhere and look >>> for advice as to which launcher might do the job and be reliable.

    If you want to have one and only one launcher choice, then buy an iPhone.
    But keep in mind that the iPhone launcher is just about as bad as can be.

    Most software on iPhones is - but Joe or Jo Public just use it and don't think about it.

    The iPhone is the epitome of a locked system advertised for fear & style.
    They make it yellow for style. They tell you you're safe when its locked.


    I have
    frequently found in the IT world that the old maxim "If it works, don't
    fix it" trumps all other cards - so advice from someone with the same
    phone and who has tried several launchers would be handy before I try to >>> fix it.

    Changing the app launcher is no different than changing a web browser.

    Which most people never do - they are not IT buffs, don't want to be and never change what they buy ready installed.

    How hard do you think it is to change the app launcher default?

    It's no different than changing the web browser default.
    Or the messenger default.
    Or any default.

    You should work with them
    and see the look of fear and panic on their faces if you suggest
    altering anything.

    Then they should buy an Apple iPhone which won't let them change anything.

    It's right there in the settings. Next to the default browser.
    Next to the default messenger. Next to the default dialer. And so on.

    So you can tell me where the default setting is for locking the home
    screen - what is it right next to?

    I said the Android settings allow you to set the default app launcher.
    It's right next to the Android setting for the default web browser.
    And next to the Android setting for the default sms/mms text messenger.

    You can install as many of those apps as you want and set one at a time to >> the default and if you don't like it you can just switch the default back.

    And you'd be amazed how many people try that and brick their phones
    doing it. Your average F*c*book user buys it, uses it, and that's that.
    They didn't buy it to change it, they don't want to change it, they
    aren't going to change it.

    If setting a basic default worries you that it will brick the phone, then
    you must have a paralizingly abnormal heightened fear of the unknown.

    You sound like you should own an iPhone instead of an Android phone because >> you're afraid to do something as trivial as set a different default app.

    Tripe! I've rooted phones and applied custom ROMs and, guessing you're a
    kid, probably used analogue mobiles before you were born.

    If you are afraid changing a simple default will "brick" the phone, then
    you're not the type of person who has ever contemplated rooting a phone.

    I asked my
    question because I was hoping there was a way to do it without major
    change and that people might be kind enough to help - not go off on a ridiculous rant.

    If you think setting a default is a "major change", then it's you, not
    anyone else on this newsgroup who is going on about a "ridiculous rant".

    When you grow up, you will find out how little you
    really knew about people and what they did and what they wanted.

    Setting a default launcher is no more complicated than setting the browser.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Daniel Washington on Thu Jun 8 08:53:40 2023
    On 2023-06-08 01:32, Daniel Washington wrote:
    On 07/06/2023 20:53, Bob Henson wrote:
    My advice is to choose a launcher you like, and then keep it for the
    next
    five or ten phones (unless you find a better app launcher in that time).

    Most phone users would not have the faintest idea what a launcher was
    - nor would they change if they did.

    If you were saying that in an Apple newsgroup, I would agree with you. Android users bought Android because they wanted the freedom to do things.

    You literally have no way of knowing that.

    I suspect most Android users bought Android because they thought:

    "Hmmm... ...it looks like it does what the iPhone does, and it's cheaper!"

    But at least I know that I'm not necessarily correct.


    As mine is fine other than that one item, I too would be loath to swap
    the devil I know for the devil I don't know.

    I think most Android users who aren't stupid know that you can change the default app launcher at will just like you can change the default anything.

    "No true Scotsman"


    It's in the settings - right in their face - so they can't miss the choice.

    Ordinary people want things to work without their having to think about
    it at all.


    I assumed that such a function would (or certainly should) be part of
    Android. Now I'm told it isn't, I can look elsewhere and look for
    advice as to which launcher might do the job and be reliable.

    If you want to have one and only one launcher choice, then buy an iPhone.
    But keep in mind that the iPhone launcher is just about as bad as can be.

    And yet iPhone customers are very, VERY loyal.


    I have frequently found in the IT world that the old maxim "If it
    works, don't fix it" trumps all other cards - so advice from someone
    with the same phone and who has tried several launchers would be handy
    before I try to fix it.

    Changing the app launcher is no different than changing a web browser.

    Which most people don't really understand what that even is, let alone
    why they'd want to change it.


    It's right there in the settings. Next to the default browser. Next to
    the default messenger. Next to the default dialer. And so on.

    You can install as many of those apps as you want and set one at a time to the default and if you don't like it you can just switch the default back.

    You sound like you should own an iPhone instead of an Android phone because you're afraid to do something as trivial as set a different default app.

    Ah... ...anyone who makes choices you disagree with must be incompetent
    and/or afraid, is that really what you want to say?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bob Henson on Thu Jun 8 08:56:30 2023
    On 2023-06-08 02:33, Bob Henson wrote:
    On 8.6.23 9:32 am, Daniel Washington wrote:
    On 07/06/2023 20:53, Bob Henson wrote:
    My advice is to choose a launcher you like, and then keep it for the
    next
    five or ten phones (unless you find a better app launcher in that
    time).

    Most phone users would not have the faintest idea what a launcher was
    - nor would they change if they did.

    If you were saying that in an Apple newsgroup, I would agree with you.
    Android users bought Android because they wanted the freedom to do
    things.

    No, most people buy Android phones because they are cheaper than Apple
    and work just as well. Most people have no idea what an operating system
    is, and certainly don't want to. I used to volunteer as a computer buddy
    at out library and, as such, got asked about phones and tablets as well
    as laptops and desktops. I can assure you that Joe Public has no idea whatever what Android is - if it isn't a robot in Doctor Who or similar.


    As mine is fine other than that one item, I too would be loath to
    swap the devil I know for the devil I don't know.

    I think most Android users who aren't stupid know that you can change the
    default app launcher at will just like you can change the default
    anything.

    Most Android phone users have no idea what is in their phones - they buy
    them and use them. Most people buy cars to drive around - not to play at changing engines or reconfiguring their dashboards.

    It's in the settings - right in their face - so they can't miss the
    choice.

    Most phone users never go anywhere near the settings - and panic if you suggest they should. You are talking about Android
    buffs/hobbyists/fanatics whose first reaction is to alter everything,
    with frequently disastrous results.


    I assumed that such a function would (or certainly should) be part of
    Android. Now I'm told it isn't, I can look elsewhere and look for
    advice as to which launcher might do the job and be reliable.

    If you want to have one and only one launcher choice, then buy an iPhone.
    But keep in mind that the iPhone launcher is just about as bad as can be.


    Most software on iPhones is - but Joe or Jo Public just use it and don't think about it.

    I have frequently found in the IT world that the old maxim "If it
    works, don't fix it" trumps all other cards - so advice from someone
    with the same phone and who has tried several launchers would be
    handy before I try to fix it.

    Changing the app launcher is no different than changing a web browser.

    Which most people never do - they are not IT buffs, don't want to be and never change what they buy ready installed. You should work with them
    and see the look of fear and panic on their faces if you suggest
    altering anything.


    It's right there in the settings. Next to the default browser.
    Next to the default messenger. Next to the default dialer. And so on.

    So you can tell me where the default setting is for locking the home
    screen - what is it right next to?


    You can install as many of those apps as you want and set one at a
    time to
    the default and if you don't like it you can just switch the default
    back.

    And you'd be amazed how many people try that and brick their phones
    doing it. Your average F*c*book user buys it, uses it, and that's that.
    They didn't buy it to change it, they don't want to change it, they
    aren't going to change it.

    You sound like you should own an iPhone instead of an Android phone
    because
    you're afraid to do something as trivial as set a different default app.

    Tripe! I've rooted phones and applied custom ROMs and, guessing you're a
    kid, probably used analogue mobiles before you were born. I asked my
    question because I was hoping there was a way to do it without major
    change and that people might be kind enough to help - not go off on a ridiculous rant. When you grow up, you will find out how little you
    really knew about people and what they did and what they wanted.

    Plonk!


    Exactly right...in pretty much every point you made.

    The fact that these groups are for us techno-geeks gives a very
    distorted view of what regular consumers want from tech devices.

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Jun 8 10:01:16 2023
    On 6/8/23 8:56 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-06-08 02:33, Bob Henson wrote:

    Most phone users never go anywhere near the settings - and panic if you
    suggest they should. You are talking about Android
    buffs/hobbyists/fanatics whose first reaction is to alter everything,
    with frequently disastrous results.
    ...
    Which most people never do - they are not IT buffs, don't want to be and
    never change what they buy ready installed. You should work with them
    and see the look of fear and panic on their faces if you suggest
    altering anything.

    Or "Why would I want to do that? It's good enough the way it is..."
    Baby son, the actual world-class programmer, thinks like that. He just
    has it for the phone (google voice) and camera, mostly the camera. He
    uses firefox straight out of the box too. Most of what he uses is
    software he wrote himself.

    I do know a lot of people who have no idea about their tech toys,
    including people who SHOULD know better.

    I always explore the settings/options, and even then I miss obvious
    stuff which others are kind enough to point out to me. When I was
    working I was apparently the only one who knew you could set a return
    receipt flag on each in-company email message -- which enabled me to
    attack people in their offices without making several wasted trips
    around the building. Sometimes you just have to do stuff face to face :-(

    The fact that these groups are for us techno-geeks gives a very
    distorted view of what regular consumers want from tech devices.

    If you want to see what "regular" people think, subscribe to Next Door.
    It's a revelation, and not a good one.

    --
    Cheers,
    Bev
    "The Flat Earth Society has members all over the globe."
    -- Bob Henson

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  • From Daniel Washington@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Thu Jun 8 19:31:21 2023
    On 08/06/2023 19:01, The Real Bev wrote:
    Or "Why would I want to do that? It's good enough the way it is..."
    Baby son, the actual world-class programmer, thinks like that. He just
    has it for the phone (google voice) and camera, mostly the camera. He
    uses firefox straight out of the box too. Most of what he uses is
    software he wrote himself.

    I must agree that programmers are a psychological class unto themselves.

    Like soldiers in a combined arms frontal assault - programmers will always
    code what's easiest (and safest) for them - not for you - unless they're supremely well managed in combined arms which includes user customization, usability, reliability, and the ability to recover from random settings.

    I do know a lot of people who have no idea about their tech toys,
    including people who SHOULD know better.

    You have to assume if it was such a "dangerous" setting to change the
    browser & app launcher defaults, Google would have put them into the
    "Developer options" section instead of right there in the users' face.

    I always explore the settings/options, and even then I miss obvious
    stuff which others are kind enough to point out to me.

    What I found incongruous was this user "claims" to have rooted phones, and
    yet he then goes on a tirade worrying a setting will "brick" the phone.

    Do you also find those two sentiments expressed by the author incongruous?

    When I was
    working I was apparently the only one who knew you could set a return
    receipt flag on each in-company email message -- which enabled me to
    attack people in their offices without making several wasted trips
    around the building. Sometimes you just have to do stuff face to face :-(

    Ah. They never read your emails. Serves them right for getting caught!

    Was this prior to 1990?

    If not, then they could have set a randomly short-timed delayed response! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procmail

    The fact that these groups are for us techno-geeks gives a very
    distorted view of what regular consumers want from tech devices.

    If you want to see what "regular" people think, subscribe to Next Door.
    It's a revelation, and not a good one.

    I think Google understands "regular people" well enough to create the "settings" for default apps such as the browser & launcher well enough.

    The OP is at a level well below "regular people" given he's inordinately worried that setting a default like a browser will "brick" the phone.

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Daniel Washington on Thu Jun 8 11:54:50 2023
    On 6/8/23 10:31 AM, Daniel Washington wrote:
    On 08/06/2023 19:01, The Real Bev wrote:

    I always explore the settings/options, and even then I miss obvious
    stuff which others are kind enough to point out to me.

    What I found incongruous was this user "claims" to have rooted phones, and yet he then goes on a tirade worrying a setting will "brick" the phone.

    Do you also find those two sentiments expressed by the author incongruous?

    Not really. Last time I read about it seriously (years ago) the whole
    process seemed iffy. It would probably work, but maybe not. Different
    phones were different. I was never willing to give it a shot -- the
    benefits didn't seem to outweigh the potential loss. Past performance
    does not guarantee future success.

    When I was
    working I was apparently the only one who knew you could set a return
    receipt flag on each in-company email message -- which enabled me to
    attack people in their offices without making several wasted trips
    around the building. Sometimes you just have to do stuff face to face :-(

    Ah. They never read your emails. Serves them right for getting caught!

    No, I would just send some sort of semi-relevant email. Everybody did a
    lot of moving around during the day. As soon as they read it I'd get
    the signal and knew they were in their office. Worked every time. If
    they'd been smarter they might have thought I was psychic.

    Was this prior to 1990?

    1990-1995. Company email might have been part of Fourth Shift, a really
    neat inventory/accounting/manufacturing/personnel/whatever system built
    on dBaseII. Or not.
    If not, then they could have set a randomly short-timed delayed response! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procmail

    That was probably possible, but it would have required RTFM.

    The fact that these groups are for us techno-geeks gives a very
    distorted view of what regular consumers want from tech devices.

    If you want to see what "regular" people think, subscribe to Next Door.
    It's a revelation, and not a good one.

    I think Google understands "regular people" well enough to create the "settings" for default apps such as the browser & launcher well enough.

    A constant curiosity: Why do so few apps offer a choice of font for the operating bits of the software (toolbars, menus etc.)? I'm talking
    about Firefox here, but I just noticed that Cx (Android replacement for
    ES File Explorer, which just stopped working) has that problem.

    The OP is at a level well below "regular people" given he's inordinately worried that setting a default like a browser will "brick" the phone.

    When figuring out new software I always crashed the program numerous
    times. The authors can't possibly figure out what weird things people
    will do when they're flailing around, and there are clearly successions
    of things that just can't be anticipated. Good programmers fix their
    stuff as soon as they find things they can fix. Bad ones don't. More
    bad ones than good ones.


    --
    Cheers, Bev
    Jesus saves. Buddha makes incremental backups.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Daniel Washington on Thu Jun 8 12:21:09 2023
    On 2023-06-08 10:31, Daniel Washington wrote:
    On 08/06/2023 19:01, The Real Bev wrote:
    Or "Why would I want to do that?  It's good enough the way it is..."
    Baby son, the actual world-class programmer, thinks like that.  He
    just has it for the phone (google voice) and camera, mostly the
    camera.  He uses firefox straight out of the box too.  Most of what he
    uses is software he wrote himself.

    I must agree that programmers are a psychological class unto themselves.

    Like soldiers in a combined arms frontal assault - programmers will always code what's easiest (and safest) for them - not for you - unless they're supremely well managed in combined arms which includes user
    customization, usability, reliability, and the ability to recover from
    random settings.

    I do know a lot of people who have no idea about their tech toys,
    including people who SHOULD know better.

    You have to assume if it was such a "dangerous" setting to change the
    browser & app launcher defaults, Google would have put them into the "Developer options" section instead of right there in the users' face.

    I always explore the settings/options, and even then I miss obvious
    stuff which others are kind enough to point out to me.

    What I found incongruous was this user "claims" to have rooted phones, and yet he then goes on a tirade worrying a setting will "brick" the phone.

    Do you also find those two sentiments expressed by the author incongruous?

    When I was working I was apparently the only one who knew you could
    set a return receipt flag on each in-company email message -- which
    enabled me to attack people in their offices without making several
    wasted trips around the building.  Sometimes you just have to do stuff
    face to face :-(

    Ah. They never read your emails. Serves them right for getting caught!

    Was this prior to 1990?

    If not, then they could have set a randomly short-timed delayed response! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procmail

    The fact that these groups are for us techno-geeks gives a very
    distorted view of what regular consumers want from tech devices.

    If you want to see what "regular" people think, subscribe to Next
    Door. It's a revelation, and not a good one.

    I think Google understands "regular people" well enough to create the "settings" for default apps such as the browser & launcher well enough.

    The OP is at a level well below "regular people" given he's inordinately worried that setting a default like a browser will "brick" the phone.

    The "OP" is not worried about that at all, you simpleton.

    He was expressing that many ordinary users are worried about making
    changes to settings...

    ...because that is TRUE.

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