'Following its report that showed Android users pivoting to iPhone at a 5-year high, CIRP is out today with a study that reveals why people are making the switch. Have a guess at the number one reason? Hint, it’s not iMessage.
The last report from CIRP showed that 15% of new iPhone buyers in the US
are coming from Android. Now the firm has published a follow-up on its Substack that reveals why Android users in the US are jumping ship.'
<https://9to5mac.com/2023/05/31/top-reason-android-users-switch-to-iphone/>
'While iMessage’s blue bubbles are often talked about as a driving force for iPhone (as well as lock-in), interestingly, that was the least cited reason for switching.
The top reason was actually an issue with the Android experience. Over
53% of respondents said they moved to iPhone because of problems with
their Android smartphone. Specifics cited were “their old phone did not serve them, because it was aging, needed repair, or had some deficiency
that affected their user experience.”
The second most common reason to switch was for new features on iPhone
like “a better camera, enhanced accessory options, or a more intuitive
user interface.”'
'Following its report that showed Android users pivoting to iPhone at a 5-year high, CIRP is out today with a study that reveals why people are making the switch. Have a guess at the number one reason? Hint, it’s not iMessage.
The last report from CIRP showed that 15% of new iPhone buyers in the US
are coming from Android. Now the firm has published a follow-up on its Substack that reveals why Android users in the US are jumping ship.'
<https://9to5mac.com/2023/05/31/top-reason-android-users-switch-to-iphone/>
'While iMessage’s blue bubbles are often talked about as a driving force for iPhone (as well as lock-in), interestingly, that was the least cited reason for switching.
The top reason was actually an issue with the Android experience. Over
53% of respondents said they moved to iPhone because of problems with
their Android smartphone. Specifics cited were “their old phone did not serve them, because it was aging, needed repair, or had some deficiency
that affected their user experience.”
The second most common reason to switch was for new features on iPhone
like “a better camera, enhanced accessory options, or a more intuitive
user interface.”'
Why not just buy a new Android phone? It also will come with a better
camera.
Saying "their old phone did not serve them, because it was aging,
needed repair, or had some deficiency that affected their user
experience" doesn't make much sense for "switching. They are reasons for renewing.
On 02.06.23 12:19, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Why not just buy a new Android phone? It also will come with a better
camera.
Saying "their old phone did not serve them, because it was aging,
needed repair, or had some deficiency that affected their user
experience" doesn't make much sense for "switching. They are reasons
for renewing.
From what I've read as to the reasons, elementary age kids want iPhones
but
their parents give them cheap crappy Androids instead but when the dumb status conscious kid gets into the teen years this idiotically asinine
bubble stuff starts to matter more to them than anything else in the world.
From what I've read as to the reasons, elementary age kids want iPhones
but
their parents give them cheap crappy Androids instead but when the dumb
status conscious kid gets into the teen years this idiotically asinine
bubble stuff starts to matter more to them than anything else in the world.
Really? And where have you "read" this?
On 02.06.23 11:10, Alan wrote:
From what I've read as to the reasons, elementary age kids want
iPhones but
their parents give them cheap crappy Androids instead but when the dumb
status conscious kid gets into the teen years this idiotically asinine
bubble stuff starts to matter more to them than anything else in the
world.
Really? And where have you "read" this?
You haven't seen the Apple executive emails that Epic deposed in court.
On 02.06.23 11:10, Alan wrote:
From what I've read as to the reasons, elementary age kids want iPhones >>> butReally? And where have you "read" this?
their parents give them cheap crappy Androids instead but when the dumb
status conscious kid gets into the teen years this idiotically asinine
bubble stuff starts to matter more to them than anything else in the world. >>
You haven't seen the Apple executive emails that Epic deposed in court.
On 2023-06-02 06:24, Alan wrote:
The second most common reason to switch was for new features on iPhone
like “a better camera, enhanced accessory options, or a more intuitive
user interface.”'
Why not just buy a new Android phone? It also will come with a better
camera.
Am 02.06.23 um 18:11 schrieb Stefan Claas:
On 02.06.23 11:10, Alan wrote:
From what I've read as to the reasons, elementary age kids want iPhones >>>> but
their parents give them cheap crappy Androids instead but when the dumb >>>> status conscious kid gets into the teen years this idiotically asinine >>>> bubble stuff starts to matter more to them than anything else in the world.
Really? And where have you "read" this?
You haven't seen the Apple executive emails that Epic deposed in court.
This is a legal battle and has nothing to do with the reality.
On 2023-06-02 06:24, Alan wrote:
'Following its report that showed Android users pivoting to iPhone at
a 5-year high, CIRP is out today with a study that reveals why people
are making the switch. Have a guess at the number one reason? Hint,
it’s not iMessage.
The last report from CIRP showed that 15% of new iPhone buyers in the
US are coming from Android. Now the firm has published a follow-up on
its Substack that reveals why Android users in the US are jumping ship.'
<https://9to5mac.com/2023/05/31/top-reason-android-users-switch-to-iphone/> >>
'While iMessage’s blue bubbles are often talked about as a driving
force for iPhone (as well as lock-in), interestingly, that was the
least cited reason for switching.
The top reason was actually an issue with the Android experience. Over
53% of respondents said they moved to iPhone because of problems with
their Android smartphone. Specifics cited were “their old phone did
not serve them, because it was aging, needed repair, or had some
deficiency that affected their user experience.”
The second most common reason to switch was for new features on iPhone
like “a better camera, enhanced accessory options, or a more intuitive
user interface.”'
Why not just buy a new Android phone? It also will come with a better
camera.
'Following its report that showed Android users pivoting to iPhone at a 5-year high, CIRP is out today with a study that reveals why people are making the switch. Have a guess at the number one reason? Hint, it’s not iMessage.
The last report from CIRP showed that 15% of new iPhone buyers in the US
are coming from Android. Now the firm has published a follow-up on its Substack that reveals why Android users in the US are jumping ship.'
<https://9to5mac.com/2023/05/31/top-reason-android-users-switch-to-iphone/>
'While iMessage’s blue bubbles are often talked about as a driving force for iPhone (as well as lock-in), interestingly, that was the least cited reason for switching.
The top reason was actually an issue with the Android experience. Over
53% of respondents said they moved to iPhone because of problems with
their Android smartphone. Specifics cited were “their old phone did not serve them, because it was aging, needed repair, or had some deficiency
that affected their user experience.”
The second most common reason to switch was for new features on iPhone
like “a better camera, enhanced accessory options, or a more intuitive
user interface.”'
The second most common reason to switch was for new features on iPhone
like "a better camera, enhanced accessory options, or a more intuitive
user interface."'
All better reasons.
But - it's when they add a Mac and/or iPad and Watch to the equation and experience true integration that they'll be more likely to lock in for
the long haul.
Some will look at Android to replace their iPhone's that are not
pleasing them any longer too... cuts both ways.
That said, in North America, iPhone is the preferred mobile brand by a
long shot so Andr. -> iPh will likely lead v. the opposite move.
On 2023-06-02, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
Some will look at Android to replace their iPhone's that are not
pleasing them any longer too... cuts both ways.
In general, the Android user is a completely different mentality than an iPhone user (where the Android user cares less about looks & more about capabilities than does the iPhone user - who mostly cares about style).
That said, in North America, iPhone is the preferred mobile brand by a <- [AAA]
long shot so Andr. -> iPh will likely lead v. the opposite move.
Long shot?
World wide Android is about three quarters of all smartphones out there. https://www.google.com/search?q=iphone+vs+android+market+share+2023
The Apple iOS phones are about 55% of the North American market share. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1045192/share-of-mobile-operating-systems-in-north-america-by-month/
Only in the USA does iOS grow to about 57% market share. https://www.oberlo.com/statistics/us-smartphone-market-share
In terms of market share, 55% isn't a "long shot" by any calculation.
It only means there are a lot of stupid people who care about blue bubbles.
With Android you get standard integration WITHOUT logging into someone
else's computers everywhere you are & every moment of your private life.
On 2023-06-02, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
Some will look at Android to replace their iPhone's that are not
pleasing them any longer too... cuts both ways.
In general, the Android user is a completely different mentality than an iPhone user (where the Android user cares less about looks & more about capabilities than does the iPhone user - who mostly cares about style).
That said, in North America, iPhone is the preferred mobile brand by a
long shot so Andr. -> iPh will likely lead v. the opposite move.
Long shot?
World wide Android is about three quarters of all smartphones out there. https://www.google.com/search?q=iphone+vs+android+market+share+2023
The Apple iOS phones are about 55% of the North American market share. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1045192/share-of-mobile-operating-systems-in-north-america-by-month/
Only in the USA does iOS grow to about 57% market share. https://www.oberlo.com/statistics/us-smartphone-market-share
In terms of market share, 55% isn't a "long shot" by any calculation.
It only means there are a lot of stupid people who care about blue bubbles.
Alan Browne wrote:
The second most common reason to switch was for new features on iPhone
like "a better camera, enhanced accessory options, or a more intuitive
user interface."'
All better reasons.
Most iPhone owners are too stupid to realize they're constantly logging
into someone else's servers every moment of their life everywhere they go.
Whether or not the camera is better depends on which smartphone you buy.XXX
The average idiot thinks Apple cameras are better because idiots don't read the reviews. Apple spends a lot of money to sway those idiots on cameras.
But - it's when they add a Mac and/or iPad and Watch to the equation and
experience true integration that they'll be more likely to lock in for
the long haul.
The iPhone is an extremely closed and locked walled in computer system so
the ONLY place it integrates well is with other Apple products - but the
catch that idiot iPhone owners don't get is you have to always log into the Apple servers - otherwise almost nothing works even with all Apple devices.
With Android you get standard integration WITHOUT logging into someone
else's computers everywhere you are & every moment of your private life.
Alan Browne wrote:
The second most common reason to switch was for new features on iPhone
like "a better camera, enhanced accessory options, or a more intuitive
user interface."'
All better reasons.
Most iPhone owners are too stupid to realize they're constantly logging
into someone else's servers every moment of their life everywhere they go.
Whether or not the camera is better depends on which smartphone you buy.
1. Huawei P60 Pro $1058 Mar 2023 156
2. Oppo Find X6 Pro $908 Mar 2023 153 128
3. Honor Magic5 Pro $1199 Feb 2023 152 138 151
4. Oppo Find X6 $681 Mar 2023 150
5. Huawei Mate 50 Pro $1299 Sep 2022 149 145 144 141 103
6. Google Pixel 7 Pro $899 Oct 2022 147 142 137 146 102
7. Honor Magic4 Ultimate $1211 Mar 2022 147 122 140
8. Apple iPhone 14 Pro Max $1099 Sep 2022 146 145 142 149 133
https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/
The average idiot thinks Apple cameras are better because idiots don't read the reviews. Apple spends a lot of money to sway those idiots on cameras.
With Android you get standard integration WITHOUT logging into someone
else's computers everywhere you are & every moment of your private life.
except for google itself along with countless ad tracking and data
mining companies plus the app developers themselves, and to top it off,
the integration isn't even very good.
And it (of course) integrates beautifully with the rest of the Apple
line. Something that cannot happen in Android world because they're
eating each other. (Not to mention that hardly anyone daily drives
Linux on their desktops).
No charge for iCloud at all (under 5GB usage) and that is the glue that
makes the integration work.
Alan Browne wrote:
And it (of course) integrates beautifully with the rest of the Apple
line. Something that cannot happen in Android world because they're
eating each other. (Not to mention that hardly anyone daily drives
Linux on their desktops).
The cost of what you call "seamless" with only Apple products is you're logging into Apple servers everywhere you go for every moment of your life.
If that high cost is acceptable - then you are perfect for Apple products.
The cost of the Apple ecosystem is you have to log into it to do anything.
Everywhere you go you're logging into Google every moment of your life.
Alan Browne wrote:
No charge for iCloud at all (under 5GB usage) and that is the glue that
makes the integration work.
The good news is you're not as stupid as most iPhone owners are, mainly because you seem to have realized that the cost of the "integration" is you must log into someone else's servers for every moment of your entire life.
If you're willing to pay that cost, then the iPhone is perfect for you.
Android has no integration with anything out of the box. At least my
Pixel 7 hasn't. To get an integration with anything is a very burdensome process for the owner of an Android device and it hardly ever works as
the iOS-users know it.
In article <u5dn33$39qd2$1@dont-email.me>, Woozy Song
<suzyw0ng@outlook.com> wrote:
With Android you get standard integration WITHOUT logging into someone
else's computers everywhere you are & every moment of your private life.
except for google itself along with countless ad tracking and data
mining companies plus the app developers themselves, and to top it off,
the integration isn't even very good.
Android has no integration with anything out of the box. At least my
Pixel 7 hasn't. To get an integration with anything is a very burdensome >>> process for the owner of an Android device and it hardly ever works as
the iOS-users know it.
Pop quiz!
What happens when you buy a new Windows PC and plug a brand new Android
phone into it versus when you plug a brand new iPhone into that new PC?
(a) the iPhone installs drivers automatically that only copy DCIM
(b) the iPhone DCIM copy is limited to one way only (from iPhone to the PC) >> (c) the Android phone installs drivers with two-way copy of full user space >> (d) all of the above
The correct answer is (d) because the iPhone integration is trash.
You do realize that not one user in 100 knows what "full user space"
even means, right?
On 03/06/2023 02:57, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Android has no integration with anything out of the box. At least my
Pixel 7 hasn't. To get an integration with anything is a very burdensome
process for the owner of an Android device and it hardly ever works as
the iOS-users know it.
Pop quiz!
What happens when you buy a new Windows PC and plug a brand new Android
phone into it versus when you plug a brand new iPhone into that new PC?
(a) the iPhone installs drivers automatically that only copy DCIM
(b) the iPhone DCIM copy is limited to one way only (from iPhone to the PC) (c) the Android phone installs drivers with two-way copy of full user space (d) all of the above
The correct answer is (d) because the iPhone integration is trash.
On 03/06/2023 03:16, Alan wrote:
Android has no integration with anything out of the box. At least my
Pixel 7 hasn't. To get an integration with anything is a very
burdensome
process for the owner of an Android device and it hardly ever works as >>>> the iOS-users know it.
Pop quiz!
What happens when you buy a new Windows PC and plug a brand new Android
phone into it versus when you plug a brand new iPhone into that new PC?
(a) the iPhone installs drivers automatically that only copy DCIM
(b) the iPhone DCIM copy is limited to one way only (from iPhone to
the PC)
(c) the Android phone installs drivers with two-way copy of full user
space
(d) all of the above
The correct answer is (d) because the iPhone integration is trash.
You do realize that not one user in 100 knows what "full user space"
even means, right?
It needed to fit on one line. :)
It means anything the user has read/write permission to, which is a lot
since it's almost the entire main storage and all of the sdcard space.
For Android, that means read and write permission to most of the storage. Just by plugging it in.
The iPhone only gives you access to the camera folder and even that is only read access because the iPhone integration with the Windows PC is trash.
nospam wrote:
With Android you get standard integration WITHOUT logging into
someone else's computers everywhere you are & every moment of your
private life.
except for google itself along with countless ad tracking and data
mining companies plus the app developers themselves, and to top it
off, the integration isn't even very good.
The cost of the Apple ecosystem is you have to log into it to do
anything.
In general, the Android user is a completely different mentality than an iPhone user (where the Android user cares less about looks & more about capabilities than does the iPhone user - who mostly cares about style).
World wide Android is about three quarters of all smartphones out there. https://www.google.com/searchq=iphone+vs+android+market+share+2023
On 2023-06-02 17:16, Nick Agostini wrote:
On 2023-06-02, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
World wide Android is about three quarters of all smartphones out there.
https://www.google.com/search?q=iphone+vs+android+market+share+2023
Read: 1) "brand" [AAA] above and 2) "North America" [AAA] above.
Hauling out worldwide stats is a cheap shot. Because a lot of those
markets are places where iPhones are too expensive - so much of the
Android market is lower end phones.
And it (of course) integrates beautifully with the rest of the Apple
line. Something that cannot happen in Android world because they're
eating each other. (Not to mention that hardly anyone daily drives
Linux on their desktops).
On 2023-06-02 06:19, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-06-02 06:24, Alan wrote:
'Following its report that showed Android users pivoting to iPhone at
a 5-year high, CIRP is out today with a study that reveals why people
are making the switch. Have a guess at the number one reason? Hint,
it’s not iMessage.
The last report from CIRP showed that 15% of new iPhone buyers in the
US are coming from Android. Now the firm has published a follow-up on
its Substack that reveals why Android users in the US are jumping ship.' >>>
<https://9to5mac.com/2023/05/31/top-reason-android-users-switch-to-iphone/> >>>
'While iMessage’s blue bubbles are often talked about as a driving
force for iPhone (as well as lock-in), interestingly, that was the
least cited reason for switching.
The top reason was actually an issue with the Android experience.
Over 53% of respondents said they moved to iPhone because of problems
with their Android smartphone. Specifics cited were “their old phone
did not serve them, because it was aging, needed repair, or had some
deficiency that affected their user experience.”
The second most common reason to switch was for new features on
iPhone like “a better camera, enhanced accessory options, or a more
intuitive user interface.”'
Why not just buy a new Android phone? It also will come with a better
camera.
Some will look at Android to replace their iPhone's that are not
pleasing them any longer too... cuts both ways.
That said, in North America, iPhone is the preferred mobile brand by a
long shot so Andr. -> iPh will likely lead v. the opposite move.
On 2023-06-02, Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> wrote:
nospam wrote:
With Android you get standard integration WITHOUT logging into
someone else's computers everywhere you are & every moment of your
private life.
except for google itself along with countless ad tracking and data
mining companies plus the app developers themselves, and to top it
off, the integration isn't even very good.
The cost of the Apple ecosystem is you have to log into it to do
anything.
Nonsense. I know people who never log into iCloud, and they have no
problems using their Macs and iPhones. You're trolling as usual, Arlen.
On 2023-06-02 22:57, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-02 06:19, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-06-02 06:24, Alan wrote:
'Following its report that showed Android users pivoting to iPhone
at a 5-year high, CIRP is out today with a study that reveals why
people are making the switch. Have a guess at the number one reason?
Hint, it’s not iMessage.
The last report from CIRP showed that 15% of new iPhone buyers in
the US are coming from Android. Now the firm has published a
follow-up on its Substack that reveals why Android users in the US
are jumping ship.'
<https://9to5mac.com/2023/05/31/top-reason-android-users-switch-to-iphone/>
'While iMessage’s blue bubbles are often talked about as a driving
force for iPhone (as well as lock-in), interestingly, that was the
least cited reason for switching.
The top reason was actually an issue with the Android experience.
Over 53% of respondents said they moved to iPhone because of
problems with their Android smartphone. Specifics cited were “their
old phone did not serve them, because it was aging, needed repair,
or had some deficiency that affected their user experience.”
The second most common reason to switch was for new features on
iPhone like “a better camera, enhanced accessory options, or a more
intuitive user interface.”'
Why not just buy a new Android phone? It also will come with a better
camera.
Some will look at Android to replace their iPhone's that are not
pleasing them any longer too... cuts both ways.
That said, in North America, iPhone is the preferred mobile brand by a
long shot so Andr. -> iPh will likely lead v. the opposite move.
Yeah, I know, so specially for youths there will be peer pressure.
Alan Browne wrote:
No charge for iCloud at all (under 5GB usage) and that is the glue that
makes the integration work.
The good news is you're not as stupid as most iPhone owners are, mainly because you seem to have realized that the cost of the "integration" is you must log into someone else's servers for every moment of your entire life.
If you're willing to pay that cost, then the iPhone is perfect for you.
On 2023-06-02 23:57, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-02 17:16, Nick Agostini wrote:
On 2023-06-02, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
...
World wide Android is about three quarters of all smartphones out there. >>> https://www.google.com/search?q=iphone+vs+android+market+share+2023
Read: 1) "brand" [AAA] above and 2) "North America" [AAA] above.
Hauling out worldwide stats is a cheap shot. Because a lot of those
markets are places where iPhones are too expensive - so much of the
Android market is lower end phones.
Rather that with Android users can buy lower, medium or top end. There
is a lot of variety.
And it (of course) integrates beautifully with the rest of the Apple
line. Something that cannot happen in Android world because they're
eating each other. (Not to mention that hardly anyone daily drives
Linux on their desktops).
If you stay Samsung, say, there is a lot of integration, for instance. Similarly with other brands.
On 2023-06-03 14:43, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-03 07:06, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-06-02 22:57, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-02 06:19, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-06-02 06:24, Alan wrote:
'Following its report that showed Android users pivoting to iPhone >>>>>> at a 5-year high, CIRP is out today with a study that reveals why
people are making the switch. Have a guess at the number one
reason? Hint, it’s not iMessage.
The last report from CIRP showed that 15% of new iPhone buyers in
the US are coming from Android. Now the firm has published a
follow-up on its Substack that reveals why Android users in the US >>>>>> are jumping ship.'
<https://9to5mac.com/2023/05/31/top-reason-android-users-switch-to-iphone/>
'While iMessage’s blue bubbles are often talked about as a driving >>>>>> force for iPhone (as well as lock-in), interestingly, that was the >>>>>> least cited reason for switching.
The top reason was actually an issue with the Android experience.
Over 53% of respondents said they moved to iPhone because of
problems with their Android smartphone. Specifics cited were
“their old phone did not serve them, because it was aging, needed >>>>>> repair, or had some deficiency that affected their user experience.” >>>>>>
The second most common reason to switch was for new features on
iPhone like “a better camera, enhanced accessory options, or a
more intuitive user interface.”'
Why not just buy a new Android phone? It also will come with a
better camera.
Some will look at Android to replace their iPhone's that are not
pleasing them any longer too... cuts both ways.
That said, in North America, iPhone is the preferred mobile brand by
a long shot so Andr. -> iPh will likely lead v. the opposite move.
Yeah, I know, so specially for youths there will be peer pressure.
Got data?
A tv or news report I saw a month or two ago, in Spanish.
On 2023-06-03 07:06, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-06-02 22:57, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-02 06:19, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-06-02 06:24, Alan wrote:
'Following its report that showed Android users pivoting to iPhone
at a 5-year high, CIRP is out today with a study that reveals why
people are making the switch. Have a guess at the number one
reason? Hint, it’s not iMessage.
The last report from CIRP showed that 15% of new iPhone buyers in
the US are coming from Android. Now the firm has published a
follow-up on its Substack that reveals why Android users in the US
are jumping ship.'
<https://9to5mac.com/2023/05/31/top-reason-android-users-switch-to-iphone/>
'While iMessage’s blue bubbles are often talked about as a driving >>>>> force for iPhone (as well as lock-in), interestingly, that was the
least cited reason for switching.
The top reason was actually an issue with the Android experience.
Over 53% of respondents said they moved to iPhone because of
problems with their Android smartphone. Specifics cited were “their >>>>> old phone did not serve them, because it was aging, needed repair,
or had some deficiency that affected their user experience.”
The second most common reason to switch was for new features on
iPhone like “a better camera, enhanced accessory options, or a more >>>>> intuitive user interface.”'
Why not just buy a new Android phone? It also will come with a
better camera.
Some will look at Android to replace their iPhone's that are not
pleasing them any longer too... cuts both ways.
That said, in North America, iPhone is the preferred mobile brand by
a long shot so Andr. -> iPh will likely lead v. the opposite move.
Yeah, I know, so specially for youths there will be peer pressure.
Got data?
On 2023-06-03 06:55, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-06-02 23:57, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-02 17:16, Nick Agostini wrote:
On 2023-06-02, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
...
World wide Android is about three quarters of all smartphones out
there.
https://www.google.com/search?q=iphone+vs+android+market+share+2023
Read: 1) "brand" [AAA] above and 2) "North America" [AAA] above.
Hauling out worldwide stats is a cheap shot. Because a lot of those
markets are places where iPhones are too expensive - so much of the
Android market is lower end phones.
Rather that with Android users can buy lower, medium or top end. There
is a lot of variety.
In markets where people earn far less than North America it likely skews
to the lower end of the market.
And it (of course) integrates beautifully with the rest of the Apple
line. Something that cannot happen in Android world because they're
eating each other. (Not to mention that hardly anyone daily drives
Linux on their desktops).
If you stay Samsung, say, there is a lot of integration, for instance.
Similarly with other brands.
So, if my employee has a Google Pixel and I have a Samsung phone can I trivially set up a shared note with him? Shared chat? Shared reminders list? Simply by inviting him to the (note, chat ...)
On 2023-06-03 14:42, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-03 06:55, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-06-02 23:57, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-02 17:16, Nick Agostini wrote:
On 2023-06-02, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
...
World wide Android is about three quarters of all smartphones out
there.
https://www.google.com/search?q=iphone+vs+android+market+share+2023
Read: 1) "brand" [AAA] above and 2) "North America" [AAA] above.
Hauling out worldwide stats is a cheap shot. Because a lot of those
markets are places where iPhones are too expensive - so much of the
Android market is lower end phones.
Rather that with Android users can buy lower, medium or top end.
There is a lot of variety.
In markets where people earn far less than North America it likely
skews to the lower end of the market.
In normal markets, we simply have choices.
And it (of course) integrates beautifully with the rest of the Apple
line. Something that cannot happen in Android world because they're
eating each other. (Not to mention that hardly anyone daily drives
Linux on their desktops).
If you stay Samsung, say, there is a lot of integration, for
instance. Similarly with other brands.
So, if my employee has a Google Pixel and I have a Samsung phone can I
trivially set up a shared note with him? Shared chat? Shared
reminders list? Simply by inviting him to the (note, chat ...)
Certainly.
I use Google Keep for shared notes. I also use Google Calc and Google
Docs to share spreadsheets and office documents.
On 2023-06-03 09:24, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-06-03 14:42, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-03 06:55, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-06-02 23:57, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-02 17:16, Nick Agostini wrote:
On 2023-06-02, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
...
And it (of course) integrates beautifully with the rest of the
Apple line. Something that cannot happen in Android world because
they're eating each other. (Not to mention that hardly anyone
daily drives Linux on their desktops).
If you stay Samsung, say, there is a lot of integration, for
instance. Similarly with other brands.
So, if my employee has a Google Pixel and I have a Samsung phone can
I trivially set up a shared note with him? Shared chat? Shared
reminders list? Simply by inviting him to the (note, chat ...)
Certainly.
I use Google Keep for shared notes. I also use Google Calc and Google
Docs to share spreadsheets and office documents.
Fine - so the whole "you have to be logged into a server!" nonsense of
the other poster remains ... nonsense - as you obviously all need to be logged into a Google account for such to work.
On 2023-06-03 15:30, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-03 09:24, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-06-03 14:42, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-03 06:55, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-06-02 23:57, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-02 17:16, Nick Agostini wrote:
On 2023-06-02, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
...
And it (of course) integrates beautifully with the rest of the
Apple line. Something that cannot happen in Android world because >>>>>> they're eating each other. (Not to mention that hardly anyone
daily drives Linux on their desktops).
If you stay Samsung, say, there is a lot of integration, for
instance. Similarly with other brands.
So, if my employee has a Google Pixel and I have a Samsung phone can
I trivially set up a shared note with him? Shared chat? Shared
reminders list? Simply by inviting him to the (note, chat ...)
Certainly.
I use Google Keep for shared notes. I also use Google Calc and Google
Docs to share spreadsheets and office documents.
Fine - so the whole "you have to be logged into a server!" nonsense of
the other poster remains ... nonsense - as you obviously all need to
be logged into a Google account for such to work.
Well, you asked for a cloud service. You did not ask for a stand alone application.
Rather that with Android users can buy lower, medium or top end. There
is a lot of variety.
If you stay Samsung, say, there is a lot of integration, for instance.
On 2023-06-03 04:55, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-06-02, Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> wrote:
nospam wrote:
With Android you get standard integration WITHOUT logging into
someone else's computers everywhere you are & every moment of your
private life.
except for google itself along with countless ad tracking and data
mining companies plus the app developers themselves, and to top it
off, the integration isn't even very good.
The cost of the Apple ecosystem is you have to log into it to do
anything.
Nonsense. I know people who never log into iCloud, and they have no
problems using their Macs and iPhones. You're trolling as usual,
Arlen.
LOL. Another Arlen?
Woozy is using an actual email, something Arlen would never do. And
uses a posting account and runs Linux.
On 2023-06-02 23:57, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-02 17:16, Nick Agostini wrote:
On 2023-06-02, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
...
World wide Android is about three quarters of all smartphones out there. >>> https://www.google.com/search?q=iphone+vs+android+market+share+2023
Read: 1) "brand" [AAA] above and 2) "North America" [AAA] above.
Hauling out worldwide stats is a cheap shot. Because a lot of those
markets are places where iPhones are too expensive - so much of the
Android market is lower end phones.
Rather that with Android users can buy lower, medium or top end. There
is a lot of variety.
On 2023-06-03 14:42, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-03 06:55, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-06-02 23:57, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-06-02 17:16, Nick Agostini wrote:
On 2023-06-02, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
...
World wide Android is about three quarters of all smartphones out
there.
https://www.google.com/search?q=iphone+vs+android+market+share+2023
Read: 1) "brand" [AAA] above and 2) "North America" [AAA] above.
Hauling out worldwide stats is a cheap shot. Because a lot of those
markets are places where iPhones are too expensive - so much of the
Android market is lower end phones.
Rather that with Android users can buy lower, medium or top end.
There is a lot of variety.
In markets where people earn far less than North America it likely
skews to the lower end of the market.
In normal markets, we simply have choices.
And it (of course) integrates beautifully with the rest of the Apple
line. Something that cannot happen in Android world because they're
eating each other. (Not to mention that hardly anyone daily drives
Linux on their desktops).
If you stay Samsung, say, there is a lot of integration, for
instance. Similarly with other brands.
So, if my employee has a Google Pixel and I have a Samsung phone can I
trivially set up a shared note with him? Shared chat? Shared
reminders list? Simply by inviting him to the (note, chat ...)
Certainly.
I use Google Keep for shared notes. I also use Google Calc and Google
Docs to share spreadsheets and office documents.
On 2023-06-03, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-06-03 04:55, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-06-02, Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> wrote:
nospam wrote:
With Android you get standard integration WITHOUT logging into
someone else's computers everywhere you are & every moment of your >>>>>> private life.
except for google itself along with countless ad tracking and data
mining companies plus the app developers themselves, and to top it
off, the integration isn't even very good.
The cost of the Apple ecosystem is you have to log into it to do
anything.
Nonsense. I know people who never log into iCloud, and they have no
problems using their Macs and iPhones. You're trolling as usual,
Arlen.
LOL. Another Arlen?
Woozy is using an actual email, something Arlen would never do. And
uses a posting account and runs Linux.
God you people are gullible.
On 6/3/2023 9:42 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
Rather that with Android users can buy lower, medium or top end. There
is a lot of variety.
In markets where people earn far less than North America it likely skews
to the lower end of the market.
Fundamentally it can be said without much error that nobody "needs" a thousand dollar phone just like nobody needs a hundred thousand dollar car.
Even so, many wealthy people (in North America or otherwise) purchase both. The thousand dollar device doesn't do anything all the other devices do.
But when you strut about with it - (impressionable) people are impressed.
Rather that with Android users can buy lower, medium or top end. There
is a lot of variety.
In markets where people earn far less than North America it likely skews
to the lower end of the market.
And it (of course) integrates beautifully with the rest of the Apple
line. Something that cannot happen in Android world because they're
eating each other. (Not to mention that hardly anyone daily drives
Linux on their desktops).
If you stay Samsung, say, there is a lot of integration, for instance.
Similarly with other brands.
So, if my employee has a Google Pixel and I have a Samsung phone can I trivially set up a shared note with him? Shared chat? Shared reminders
list? Simply by inviting him to the (note, chat ...)
When you are constantly logged into someone else's servers (which is what Apple phones will do)
then you can share anything you want (through that
server as the middleman) as long as recipients log into the same servers.
On 6/3/2023 9:42 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
Rather that with Android users can buy lower, medium or top end. There
is a lot of variety.
In markets where people earn far less than North America it likely skews
to the lower end of the market.
Fundamentally it can be said without much error that nobody "needs" a thousand dollar phone just like nobody needs a hundred thousand dollar car.
Even so, many wealthy people (in North America or otherwise) purchase both. The thousand dollar device doesn't do anything all the other devices do.
But when you strut about with it - (impressionable) people are impressed.
When you are constantly logged into someone else's servers (which is what Apple phones will do) then you can share anything you want (through that server as the middleman) as long as recipients log into the same servers.
And of course none of this prevents me from sharing files, calendar
events, etc. and so on with non-Apple users. It's just a little more
fuss to do so.
In article <WQKeM.548120$Sgyc.265782@fx40.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
And of course none of this prevents me from sharing files, calendar
events, etc. and so on with non-Apple users. It's just a little more
fuss to do so.
that depends how it's being shared. in some cases it's exactly the same (e.g., both using google docs).
In article <6pirkjxaap.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Rather that with Android users can buy lower, medium or top end. There
is a lot of variety.
same with apple, except for the bottom end.
If you stay Samsung, say, there is a lot of integration, for instance.
not really, and what does exist requires more effort.
On 2023-06-03, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-06-03 04:55, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-06-02, Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> wrote:
nospam wrote:
With Android you get standard integration WITHOUT logging into
someone else's computers everywhere you are & every moment of your >>>>>> private life.
except for google itself along with countless ad tracking and data
mining companies plus the app developers themselves, and to top it
off, the integration isn't even very good.
The cost of the Apple ecosystem is you have to log into it to do
anything.
Nonsense. I know people who never log into iCloud, and they have no
problems using their Macs and iPhones. You're trolling as usual,
Arlen.
LOL. Another Arlen?
Woozy is using an actual email, something Arlen would never do. And
uses a posting account and runs Linux.
God you people are gullible.
I use Google Keep for shared notes. I also use Google Calc and Google
Docs to share spreadsheets and office documents.
Fine - so the whole "you have to be logged into a server!" nonsense of
the other poster remains ... nonsense - as you obviously all need to
be logged into a Google account for such to work.
Well, you asked for a cloud service. You did not ask for a stand alone
application.
Of course. This is just to melt whatever is left of of a few little
troll heads.
World wide Android is about three quarters of all smartphones outRead: 1) "brand" [AAA] above and 2) "North America" [AAA] above.
there.
https://www.google.com/search?q=iphone+vs+android+market+share+2023 >>>>>
Hauling out worldwide stats is a cheap shot. Because a lot of those >>>>> markets are places where iPhones are too expensive - so much of the
Android market is lower end phones.
Rather that with Android users can buy lower, medium or top end.
There is a lot of variety.
In markets where people earn far less than North America it likely
skews to the lower end of the market.
In normal markets, we simply have choices.
And it (of course) integrates beautifully with the rest of the Apple >>>>> line. Something that cannot happen in Android world because they're >>>>> eating each other. (Not to mention that hardly anyone daily drives
Linux on their desktops).
If you stay Samsung, say, there is a lot of integration, for
instance. Similarly with other brands.
So, if my employee has a Google Pixel and I have a Samsung phone can I
trivially set up a shared note with him? Shared chat? Shared
reminders list? Simply by inviting him to the (note, chat ...)
Certainly.
I use Google Keep for shared notes. I also use Google Calc and Google
Docs to share spreadsheets and office documents.
Fine - so the whole "you have to be logged into a server!" nonsense of
the other poster remains ... nonsense - as you obviously all need to be logged into a Google account for such to work.
Rather that with Android users can buy lower, medium or top end. There
is a lot of variety.
same with apple, except for the bottom end.
LOL. Then it is not the same.
If you stay Samsung, say, there is a lot of integration, for instance.
not really, and what does exist requires more effort.
Not that I can see, no.
In markets where people earn far less than North America it likely skews
to the lower end of the market.
In normal markets, we simply have choices.
And it (of course) integrates beautifully with the rest of the Apple
line. Something that cannot happen in Android world because they're
eating each other. (Not to mention that hardly anyone daily drives
Linux on their desktops).
If you stay Samsung, say, there is a lot of integration, for instance.
Similarly with other brands.
So, if my employee has a Google Pixel and I have a Samsung phone can I
trivially set up a shared note with him? Shared chat? Shared reminders
list? Simply by inviting him to the (note, chat ...)
Certainly.
I use Google Keep for shared notes. I also use Google Calc and Google
Docs to share spreadsheets and office documents.
And of course none of this prevents me from sharing files, calendar
events, etc. and so on with non-Apple users. It's just a little more
fuss to do so.
that depends how it's being shared. in some cases it's exactly the same
(e.g., both using google docs).
... what I was alluding to... but you could add Dropbox and other cloud storage services to it.
When you are constantly logged into someone else's servers (which is what
Apple phones will do)
same for android phones
then you can share anything you want (through that
server as the middleman) as long as recipients log into the same servers.
the part you're missing is that apple's servers are not required.
if you're going to bash something, at least have some familiarity with
what it is you're bashing, otherwise you look stupid.
On 2023-06-03 17:46, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-06-03, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-06-03 04:55, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-06-02, Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> wrote:
nospam wrote:
With Android you get standard integration WITHOUT logging into
someone else's computers everywhere you are & every moment of
your private life.
except for google itself along with countless ad tracking and
data mining companies plus the app developers themselves, and to
top it off, the integration isn't even very good.
The cost of the Apple ecosystem is you have to log into it to do
anything.
Nonsense. I know people who never log into iCloud, and they have no
problems using their Macs and iPhones. You're trolling as usual,
Arlen.
LOL. Another Arlen?
Woozy is using an actual email, something Arlen would never do. And
uses a posting account and runs Linux.
God you people are gullible.
Indeed, you are. And paranoid :-D
On Sat, 3 Jun 2023 15:24:58 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
In markets where people earn far less than North America it likely
skews to the lower end of the market.
In normal markets, we simply have choices.
Yup.
Android gives all users choices that Apple doesn't allow any user to have.
And it (of course) integrates beautifully with the rest of the
Apple line.� Something that cannot happen in Android world because >>>>> they're eating each other.� (Not to mention that hardly anyone
daily drives Linux on their desktops).
If you stay Samsung, say, there is a lot of integration, for
instance. Similarly with other brands.
So, if my employee has a Google Pixel and I have a Samsung phone can
I trivially set up a shared note with him?� Shared chat? Shared
reminders list?� Simply by inviting him to the (note, chat ...)
Certainly.
I use Google Keep for shared notes. I also use Google Calc and Google
Docs to share spreadsheets and office documents.
What's always the case is Apple owners don't understand how computers work. They don't realize Google cloud servers do everything icloud servers do.
if the iphone can't copy a simple file from their phone to their
computer WITHOUT needing to log into and share an Apple account - then something is seriously wrong with Apple devices.
Any computer other than an Apple computer shares files WITHOUT needing
it.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
I use Google Keep for shared notes. I also use Google Calc and
Google Docs to share spreadsheets and office documents.
Fine - so the whole "you have to be logged into a server!" nonsense
of the other poster remains ... nonsense - as you obviously all
need to be logged into a Google account for such to work.
Well, you asked for a cloud service. You did not ask for a stand
alone application.
Of course. This is just to melt whatever is left of of a few little
troll heads.
Technically, android phones do everything iphones can do but without
needing to log into other people's cloud servers just to copy a file.
Technically, android phones do everything iphones can do
but without
needing to log into other people's cloud servers just to copy a file.
Why do you think Apple, Microsoft & Google make cloud services so easy?
They're not charities you know.
Rather that with Android users can buy lower, medium or top end. There >>>> is a lot of variety.
In markets where people earn far less than North America it likely skews >>> to the lower end of the market.
Fundamentally it can be said without much error that nobody "needs" a
thousand dollar phone just like nobody needs a hundred thousand dollar car.
I chose my phone and the options that drive its price according to both
needs and wants. In the needs dept. were the size of the screen (I
don't have the largest), storage and cameras (a want).
I also keep my phones at least 5 years. This one (iPhone 11) looks good
to go 6.
Even so, many wealthy people (in North America or otherwise) purchase both. >> The thousand dollar device doesn't do anything all the other devices do.
What do $1400 Samsung phones do that is so spectacular?
But when you strut about with it - (impressionable) people are impressed.
This trope is your problem and possibly the problem of some affected
Android nutz. I don't strut my car and I certainly don't strut my phone.
When you are constantly logged into someone else's servers (which is what
Apple phones will do) then you can share anything you want (through that
server as the middleman) as long as recipients log into the same servers.
The primary goal is for my personal and business use to be well and seamlessly integrated.
So - buy Apple products and Apple supply, at no extra charge:
- an account
- server space
- iCloud services
etc.
- all encrypted in transit. Most encrypted in storage (and this will be notched up soon).
This is not a problem. This is a benefit. But of course the anti-Apple whiners echo-chamber it into some great evil where it is a feature.
Germane to note that Apple, as a public company, has pledged privacy as
an overriding goal for its approach to system integration.
Vice, Google, where everything that people do with their computers and
phones is directly or indirectly part of the harvest.
And of course none of this prevents me from sharing files, calendar
events, etc. and so on with non-Apple users. It's just a little more
fuss to do so.
Rather that with Android users can buy lower, medium or top end. There >>>> is a lot of variety.
same with apple, except for the bottom end.
LOL. Then it is not the same.
as i said, the exception is the bottom end, which are cheap devices
with few features that don't last very long. they only sell because
they're cheap and disposable, not because they're any good.
If you stay Samsung, say, there is a lot of integration, for instance.
not really, and what does exist requires more effort.
Not that I can see, no.
you have said you don't use apple products, therefore it's not possible
for you to see.
On 6/4/2023 2:43 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
And of course none of this prevents me from sharing files, calendar
events, etc. and so on with non-Apple users. It's just a little more
fuss to do so.
that depends how it's being shared. in some cases it's exactly the same
(e.g., both using google docs).
... what I was alluding to... but you could add Dropbox and other cloud
storage services to it.
I think the main difference between the way Apple locks users into their
one & only cloud service versus all the other cloud services is just that.
On 2023-06-03, Rudolph Rhein <RudolphRhein@nospam.net> wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
I use Google Keep for shared notes. I also use Google Calc and
Google Docs to share spreadsheets and office documents.
Fine - so the whole "you have to be logged into a server!" nonsense
of the other poster remains ... nonsense - as you obviously all
need to be logged into a Google account for such to work.
Well, you asked for a cloud service. You did not ask for a stand
alone application.
Of course. This is just to melt whatever is left of of a few little
troll heads.
Technically, android phones do everything iphones can do but without
needing to log into other people's cloud servers just to copy a file.
You dip shits keep saying this, but it's not true. People do transfers between my Apple mobile devices and computers regularly without any
internet or cloud involvement. You're either horribly uninformed or just trolling (and likely both at the same time).
And of course none of this prevents me from sharing files, calendar
events, etc. and so on with non-Apple users. It's just a little more >>>>> fuss to do so.
that depends how it's being shared. in some cases it's exactly the same >>>> (e.g., both using google docs).
... what I was alluding to... but you could add Dropbox and other cloud
storage services to it.
I think the main difference between the way Apple locks users into their
one & only cloud service versus all the other cloud services is just that.
You do get that I'm not "locked" into their one and only cloud service, right?
In general, the Android user is a completely different mentality than an
iPhone user (where the Android user cares less about looks & more about
capabilities than does the iPhone user - who mostly cares about style).
What a load of twaddle.
What "style"? Phones all look alike. With a case, you can't tell what a phone is unless you are looking at the icons on the screen.
If you think an iPhone is "more stylish", then that is your own insecurity/jealousy showing.
The numbers ARE changing. What if it gets to 50/50 worldwide? Are you going to continue babbling about the "functionality" of Android and the "style" of Apple?
For example, foldable phones and integrated high end modems are technically superior to anything that Apple has ever been able to manufacture & market.
On Sat, 03 Jun 2023 16:01:53 -0400, nospam wrote:
Rather that with Android users can buy lower, medium or top end. There >>>>> is a lot of variety.
same with apple, except for the bottom end.
LOL. Then it is not the same.
as i said, the exception is the bottom end, which are cheap devices
with few features that don't last very long. they only sell because
they're cheap and disposable, not because they're any good.
If you say the exception is at the bottom end, then the exception is also
at the top end, and has been the case for years ever since 5G modems.
For example, foldable phones and integrated high end modems are technically superior to anything that Apple has ever been able to manufacture & market.
If you stay Samsung, say, there is a lot of integration, for instance. >>>>not really, and what does exist requires more effort.
Not that I can see, no.
you have said you don't use apple products, therefore it's not possible
for you to see.
You don't seem to be aware that all phones are well integrated nowadays.
On 6/4/2023 2:34 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
I chose my phone and the options that drive its price according to bothRather that with Android users can buy lower, medium or top end. There >>>>> is a lot of variety.
In markets where people earn far less than North America it likely skews >>>> to the lower end of the market.
Fundamentally it can be said without much error that nobody "needs" a
thousand dollar phone just like nobody needs a hundred thousand dollar car. >>
needs and wants. In the needs dept. were the size of the screen (I
don't have the largest), storage and cameras (a want).
Someone made the observation that Android fills all the markets whereas
Apple doesn't even try to fill the markets which aren't style conscious.
I also keep my phones at least 5 years. This one (iPhone 11) looks good
to go 6.
I think most of us keep our phones until we accidentally destroy it.
Even so, many wealthy people (in North America or otherwise) purchase both. >>> The thousand dollar device doesn't do anything all the other devices do.
What do $1400 Samsung phones do that is so spectacular?
I didn't say that they do anything that a phone half the price doesn't do.
But when you strut about with it - (impressionable) people are impressed. >>This trope is your problem and possibly the problem of some affected
Android nutz. I don't strut my car and I certainly don't strut my phone.
Did you hear about the government employee who drained a reservoir by about ten feet because he dropped his expensive new Samsung phone into the water?
https://www.androidauthority.com/drop-samsung-phone-reservoir-3330214/
When you are constantly logged into someone else's servers (which is what >>> Apple phones will do) then you can share anything you want (through that >>> server as the middleman) as long as recipients log into the same servers. >>The primary goal is for my personal and business use to be well and
seamlessly integrated.
All phones are seamlessly integrated for personal and business use.
So - buy Apple products and Apple supply, at no extra charge:
- an account
- server space
- iCloud services
etc.
- all encrypted in transit. Most encrypted in storage (and this will be
notched up soon).
What makes you think Android doesn't do the same thing?
This is not a problem. This is a benefit. But of course the anti-Apple
whiners echo-chamber it into some great evil where it is a feature.
The main problem is that an Apple phone can't do anything without logging into that Apple account, whereas all other phones work just fine w/o it.
Germane to note that Apple, as a public company, has pledged privacy as
an overriding goal for its approach to system integration.
If you find a company that doesn't say they respect your privacy then
you're making it up since even Google says what Apple says about privacy.
Vice, Google, where everything that people do with their computers and
phones is directly or indirectly part of the harvest.
Maybe you've never read Apple's privacy policy & what they do with your personal data then?
And of course none of this prevents me from sharing files, calendar
events, etc. and so on with non-Apple users. It's just a little more
fuss to do so.
The main problem with your iPhone is it can't share anything without
logging into an account whereas all other devices share fine without it.
If they all "look alike", why did Apple make a huge deal about yellow ones?
Maybe you haven't seen the Apple advertisement for the yellow iphone yet?
On 6/3/2023 10:43 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
You do get that I'm not "locked" into their one and only cloud service,And of course none of this prevents me from sharing files, calendar >>>>>> events, etc. and so on with non-Apple users. It's just a little more >>>>>> fuss to do so.
that depends how it's being shared. in some cases it's exactly the same >>>>> (e.g., both using google docs).
... what I was alluding to... but you could add Dropbox and other cloud >>>> storage services to it.
I think the main difference between the way Apple locks users into their >>> one & only cloud service versus all the other cloud services is just that. >>
right?
I didn't mean you're locked into only iCloud since you already mentioned DropBox for example - but that you can't avoid the iCloud no matter what.
On 2023-06-03, Bob Campbell <none@none.none> wrote:
In general, the Android user is a completely different mentality than an >>> iPhone user (where the Android user cares less about looks & more about
capabilities than does the iPhone user - who mostly cares about style).
What a load of twaddle.
What "style"? Phones all look alike. With a case, you can't tell what a >> phone is unless you are looking at the icons on the screen.
If they all "look alike", why did Apple make a huge deal about yellow ones?
If you think an iPhone is "more stylish", then that is your own
insecurity/jealousy showing.
Maybe you haven't seen the Apple advertisement for the yellow iphone yet?
The numbers ARE changing. What if it gets to 50/50 worldwide? Are you
going to continue babbling about the "functionality" of Android and the
"style" of Apple?
When you find an Android phone as highly marketed as the yellow iphone is, then you can begin to start to talk about iphones not bought for style.
I don't think you understand that you can't avoid the iCloud on an iPhone.
I think the main difference between the way Apple locks users into their >>>> one & only cloud service versus all the other cloud services is just that. >>>You do get that I'm not "locked" into their one and only cloud service,
right?
I didn't mean you're locked into only iCloud since you already mentioned
DropBox for example - but that you can't avoid the iCloud no matter what.
First off, yes, I can indeed avoid iCloud. But why would I?
That free, secure service is what binds my devices together. Thus my
Macs (home and work), iPhone, iPad, AirTags and Watch (and to a lesser
degree my Apple TV) are all seamlessly integrated - no matter where they
are.
If you believe Apple is not able to manufacture anything the others have manufactured (or will), then you're just not paying attention.
Apple make what they determine will sell in the market - and they also
don't care if they don't address every niche thing that comes along.
If you stay Samsung, say, there is a lot of integration, for instance. >>>>>not really, and what does exist requires more effort.
Not that I can see, no.
you have said you don't use apple products, therefore it's not possible
for you to see.
You don't seem to be aware that all phones are well integrated nowadays.
Phones - sure.
Cross products - nothing comes close to Apple - and that is the point.
Someone made the observation that Android fills all the markets whereas
Apple doesn't even try to fill the markets which aren't style conscious.
Snarky comments from agenda driven trolls doesn't impress much. By that statement Apple should have a tiny market share. But the share they
have is not only very large, it is the most lucrative segment and makes
Apple plenty of money for its delighted shareholder.
I also keep my phones at least 5 years. This one (iPhone 11) looks good >>> to go 6.
I think most of us keep our phones until we accidentally destroy it.
Not my case. Definitely my son's case.
Even so, many wealthy people (in North America or otherwise) purchase both.What do $1400 Samsung phones do that is so spectacular?
The thousand dollar device doesn't do anything all the other devices do. >>>
I didn't say that they do anything that a phone half the price doesn't do.
Hmm, so why are all the so-intelligent Android users not staying away
from those phones in droves?
Did you hear about the government employee who drained a reservoir by about >> ten feet because he dropped his expensive new Samsung phone into the water? >>
But when you strut about with it - (impressionable) people are impressed. >>>This trope is your problem and possibly the problem of some affected
Android nutz. I don't strut my car and I certainly don't strut my phone. >>
https://www.androidauthority.com/drop-samsung-phone-reservoir-3330214/
I did. But then India should have been the leading economy by far, well
past China, but massive corruption doomed India for most of the 20th
century.
Ah well, slowly they are getting there. China's economy is doomed (demographics is a bitch) and India will be very prosperous in 20 years.
When you are constantly logged into someone else's servers (which is what >>>> Apple phones will do) then you can share anything you want (through that >>>> server as the middleman) as long as recipients log into the same servers. >>>The primary goal is for my personal and business use to be well and
seamlessly integrated.
All phones are seamlessly integrated for personal and business use.
Nowhere near the degree I have with my Apple devices. That this extends
to all of my employees and many of my clients is just icing on the cake.
So - buy Apple products and Apple supply, at no extra charge:
- an account
- server space
- iCloud services
etc.
- all encrypted in transit. Most encrypted in storage (and this will be >>> notched up soon).
What makes you think Android doesn't do the same thing?
Not nearly as well or seamlessly - out of the box.
This is not a problem. This is a benefit. But of course the anti-Apple >>> whiners echo-chamber it into some great evil where it is a feature.
The main problem is that an Apple phone can't do anything without logging
into that Apple account, whereas all other phones work just fine w/o it.
Not so quick. While for the integrations I use I do need to be logged
in (and I'm quite happy Apple provide such services at no charge), there
are many things I can do w/o being logged in to Apple's servers.
Germane to note that Apple, as a public company, has pledged privacy as
an overriding goal for its approach to system integration.
If you find a company that doesn't say they respect your privacy then
you're making it up since even Google says what Apple says about privacy.
Apple, unlike Google, do not use the user as a product.
Vice, Google, where everything that people do with their computers and
phones is directly or indirectly part of the harvest.
Maybe you've never read Apple's privacy policy & what they do with your
personal data then?
Yes indeed I have. And where there is 3rd party info sharing for some
apps, it is so limited, and so stripped of specific data as to not
really affect me.
And of course none of this prevents me from sharing files, calendar
events, etc. and so on with non-Apple users. It's just a little more
fuss to do so.
The main problem with your iPhone is it can't share anything without
logging into an account whereas all other devices share fine without it.
That's false. The logging in is with respect to me "joining" all of my
Apple devices via iCloud. Thus, when I update a note on my Mac at work,
that same Note is up to date on all of my devices. Securely.
OTOH, I can send and receive e-mail sans iCloud.
I can use various messaging apps sans iCloud.
etc. and so on.
In general, the Android user is a completely different mentality than an >>>> iPhone user (where the Android user cares less about looks & more about >>>> capabilities than does the iPhone user - who mostly cares about style). >>>What a load of twaddle.
What "style"? Phones all look alike. With a case, you can't tell what a >>> phone is unless you are looking at the icons on the screen.
If they all "look alike", why did Apple make a huge deal about yellow ones?
Android trolls go nuts over the yellow iPhone.
Because they don't understand marketing.
It's not about the "yellow" iPhone. It's about a mid-year boost of
attention to the iPhone line. Probably sold many more other colour
iPhones than yellow. But more phones overall.
If you think an iPhone is "more stylish", then that is your own
insecurity/jealousy showing.
Maybe you haven't seen the Apple advertisement for the yellow iphone yet?
The numbers ARE changing. What if it gets to 50/50 worldwide? Are you >>> going to continue babbling about the "functionality" of Android and the
"style" of Apple?
When you find an Android phone as highly marketed as the yellow iphone is, >> then you can begin to start to talk about iphones not bought for style.
That statement just proves you don't understand marketing.
'Following its report that showed Android users pivoting to iPhone at
a 5-year high, CIRP is out today with a study that reveals why people
are making the switch. Have a guess at the number one reason? Hint,
it's not iMessage.
The last report from CIRP showed that 15% of new iPhone buyers in the
US are coming from Android. Now the firm has published a follow-up on
its Substack that reveals why Android users in the US are jumping ship.' >>>>
<https://9to5mac.com/2023/05/31/top-reason-android-users-switch-to-iphone/>
'While iMessage's blue bubbles are often talked about as a driving
force for iPhone (as well as lock-in), interestingly, that was the
least cited reason for switching.
The top reason was actually an issue with the Android experience.
Over 53% of respondents said they moved to iPhone because of problems
with their Android smartphone. Specifics cited were "their old phone
did not serve them, because it was aging, needed repair, or had some
deficiency that affected their user experience."
The second most common reason to switch was for new features on
iPhone like "a better camera, enhanced accessory options, or a more
intuitive user interface."'
Why not just buy a new Android phone? It also will come with a better
camera.
Some will look at Android to replace their iPhone's that are not
pleasing them any longer too... cuts both ways.
That said, in North America, iPhone is the preferred mobile brand by a
long shot so Andr. -> iPh will likely lead v. the opposite move.
Yeah, I know, so specially for youths there will be peer pressure.
A tv or news report I saw a month or two ago, in Spanish.
well that settles it. had it been in english, there would be questions.
Android has no integration with anything out of the box. At least my >>>>> Pixel 7 hasn't. To get an integration with anything is a very
burdensome
process for the owner of an Android device and it hardly ever works as >>>>> the iOS-users know it.
Pop quiz!
What happens when you buy a new Windows PC and plug a brand new Android >>>> phone into it versus when you plug a brand new iPhone into that new PC? >>>> (a) the iPhone installs drivers automatically that only copy DCIM
(b) the iPhone DCIM copy is limited to one way only (from iPhone to
the PC)
(c) the Android phone installs drivers with two-way copy of full user
space
(d) all of the above
The correct answer is (d) because the iPhone integration is trash.
You do realize that not one user in 100 knows what "full user space"
even means, right?
It needed to fit on one line. :)
It means anything the user has read/write permission to, which is a lot
since it's almost the entire main storage and all of the sdcard space.
No, no, no...
...you poor simpleton.
I didn't say that /I/ didn't know what it means...
Come on, I've worked in the Unix-based world of macOS since Mac OS X
rolled out.
For Android, that means read and write permission to most of the storage.
Just by plugging it in.
The iPhone only gives you access to the camera folder and even that is only >> read access because the iPhone integration with the Windows PC is trash.
And not one user in 1000 would know what to do with access to "full user space".
On 2023-06-03, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
In general, the Android user is a completely different mentality
than an iPhone user (where the Android user cares less about looks
& more about capabilities than does the iPhone user - who mostly
cares about style).
What a load of twaddle.
What "style"? Phones all look alike. With a case, you can't tell
what a phone is unless you are looking at the icons on the screen.
If they all "look alike", why did Apple make a huge deal about
yellow ones?
Android trolls go nuts over the yellow iPhone.
I didn't go nuts about the yellow iphone.
On 6/4/2023 6:05 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
I think the main difference between the way Apple locks users into
their one & only cloud service versus all the other cloud services
is just that.
You do get that I'm not "locked" into their one and only cloud
service, right?
I didn't mean you're locked into only iCloud since you already
mentioned DropBox for example - but that you can't avoid the iCloud
no matter what.
First off, yes, I can indeed avoid iCloud. But why would I?
I don't think you understand that you can't avoid the iCloud on an
iPhone.
That free, secure service is what binds my devices together. Thus my
Macs (home and work), iPhone, iPad, AirTags and Watch (and to a
lesser degree my Apple TV) are all seamlessly integrated - no matter
where they are.
All major cloud services are "free & secure binding of devices
together."
Someone made the observation that Android fills all the markets whereas
Apple doesn't even try to fill the markets which aren't style conscious.
Snarky comments from agenda driven trolls doesn't impress much. By that statement Apple should have a tiny market share. But the share they
have is not only very large, it is the most lucrative segment and makes
Apple plenty of money for its delighted shareholder.
I also keep my phones at least 5 years. This one (iPhone 11) looks good >>> to go 6.
I think most of us keep our phones until we accidentally destroy it.
Not my case. Definitely my son's case.
Even so, many wealthy people (in North America or otherwise) purchase both.What do $1400 Samsung phones do that is so spectacular?
The thousand dollar device doesn't do anything all the other devices do. >>>
I didn't say that they do anything that a phone half the price doesn't do.
Hmm, so why are all the so-intelligent Android users not staying away
from those phones in droves?
Did you hear about the government employee who drained a reservoir by about >> ten feet because he dropped his expensive new Samsung phone into the water? >>
But when you strut about with it - (impressionable) people are impressed. >>>This trope is your problem and possibly the problem of some affected
Android nutz. I don't strut my car and I certainly don't strut my phone. >>
https://www.androidauthority.com/drop-samsung-phone-reservoir-3330214/
I did. But then India should have been the leading economy by far, well
past China, but massive corruption doomed India for most of the 20th
century.
Ah well, slowly they are getting there. China's economy is doomed (demographics is a bitch) and India will be very prosperous in 20 years.
When you are constantly logged into someone else's servers (which is what >>>> Apple phones will do) then you can share anything you want (through that >>>> server as the middleman) as long as recipients log into the same servers. >>>The primary goal is for my personal and business use to be well and
seamlessly integrated.
All phones are seamlessly integrated for personal and business use.
Nowhere near the degree I have with my Apple devices. That this extends
to all of my employees and many of my clients is just icing on the cake.
So - buy Apple products and Apple supply, at no extra charge:
- an account
- server space
- iCloud services
etc.
- all encrypted in transit. Most encrypted in storage (and this will be >>> notched up soon).
What makes you think Android doesn't do the same thing?
Not nearly as well or seamlessly - out of the box.
This is not a problem. This is a benefit. But of course the anti-Apple >>> whiners echo-chamber it into some great evil where it is a feature.
The main problem is that an Apple phone can't do anything without logging
into that Apple account, whereas all other phones work just fine w/o it.
Not so quick. While for the integrations I use I do need to be logged
in (and I'm quite happy Apple provide such services at no charge), there
are many things I can do w/o being logged in to Apple's servers.
Germane to note that Apple, as a public company, has pledged privacy as
an overriding goal for its approach to system integration.
If you find a company that doesn't say they respect your privacy then
you're making it up since even Google says what Apple says about privacy.
Apple, unlike Google, do not use the user as a product.
Vice, Google, where everything that people do with their computers and
phones is directly or indirectly part of the harvest.
Maybe you've never read Apple's privacy policy & what they do with your
personal data then?
Yes indeed I have. And where there is 3rd party info sharing for some
apps, it is so limited, and so stripped of specific data as to not
really affect me.
And of course none of this prevents me from sharing files, calendar
events, etc. and so on with non-Apple users. It's just a little more
fuss to do so.
The main problem with your iPhone is it can't share anything without
logging into an account whereas all other devices share fine without it.
That's false. The logging in is with respect to me "joining" all of my
Apple devices via iCloud. Thus, when I update a note on my Mac at work,
that same Note is up to date on all of my devices. Securely.
OTOH, I can send and receive e-mail sans iCloud.
I can use various messaging apps sans iCloud.
etc. and so on.
you clearly don't think. full stop.
icloud is optional. it's not required. i know that big words confuse
you, which means it *can* be avoided.
most people use icloud because of the many features it offers, however,
those who have alternatives or prefer to simply go without can choose
to do so.
The problem you don't understand is you have to log into Apple servers to
do almost everything on the iPhone. Whether it's an iCloud server or not doesn't matter because it's always Apple servers which you must log into.
On 2023-06-03, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
Android trolls go nuts over the yellow iPhone.In general, the Android user is a completely different mentality than an >>>>> iPhone user (where the Android user cares less about looks & more about >>>>> capabilities than does the iPhone user - who mostly cares about style). >>>>What a load of twaddle.
What "style"? Phones all look alike. With a case, you can't tell what a >>>> phone is unless you are looking at the icons on the screen.
If they all "look alike", why did Apple make a huge deal about yellow ones? >>
I didn't go nuts about the yellow iphone. Apple did when they probably
spent a million times more in advertising than the yellow dye cost them.
Because they don't understand marketing.
Apple is who understands marketing because Apple wouldn't have made such a huge deal to market a yellow phone to impressionable kids if they didn't.
It's not about the "yellow" iPhone. It's about a mid-year boost of
attention to the iPhone line. Probably sold many more other colour
iPhones than yellow. But more phones overall.
If you don't like that Apple only markets style, take it up with Apple.
How are you going to download & install apps or send an imessage or use
facetime or icloud if you're not constantly logged into Apple's servers?
goalpost movement detected.
What's different about Google and Apple is that the Android operating
system was designed before Google bought it
nope.
what existed before google bought it was essentially a clone of blackberry/rim, which was popular at the time.
after google saw the original iphone, they realized they had to discard
*all* of that and start over from scratch, copying what apple had done.
<https://photos5.appleinsider.com/archive/Android.before.iPhone.jpg>
icloud is optional. it's not required. i know that big words confuse
you, which means it *can* be avoided.
most people use icloud because of the many features it offers, however, those who have alternatives or prefer to simply go without can choose
to do so.
The problem you don't understand is you have to log into Apple servers to
do almost everything on the iPhone.
Whether it's an iCloud server or not
doesn't matter because it's always Apple servers which you must log into.
On 2023-06-03 17:49, Nick Agostini wrote:
If you don't like that Apple only markets style, take it up with Apple.
And with your above statements you seal the facts: you have 0 idea how marketing works.
The problem you don't understand is you have to log into Apple servers to
do almost everything on the iPhone. Whether it's an iCloud server or not
doesn't matter because it's always Apple servers which you must log into.
Keep pounding the dis-information - doesn't make it true - just makes it stick in your head.
The problem you don't understand is you have to log into Apple servers to
do almost everything on the iPhone.
*three* terms: optional, not required, can be avoided. how is it you do
not understand any of them?
Whether it's an iCloud server or not
doesn't matter because it's always Apple servers which you must log into.
it helps to understand how things actually work before trying to bash anything, otherwise you look incredibly stupid, more so than usual.
and you're obviously oblivious that one must log into google's servers
for services google offers.
Both Google and Apple (and Microsoft for that matter) would love to lock
you into their servers by making the operating system useless without them. >>
Only Apple succeeded.
actually, only microsoft succeeded with windows 10s, which could only
run apps from the microsoft app store. third party apps downloaded from websites or elsewhere did not work.
On 2023-06-03, Rudolph Rhein <RudolphRhein@nospam.net> wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
I use Google Keep for shared notes. I also use Google Calc and
Google Docs to share spreadsheets and office documents.
Fine - so the whole "you have to be logged into a server!" nonsense >>>>>> of the other poster remains ... nonsense - as you obviously all
need to be logged into a Google account for such to work.
Well, you asked for a cloud service. You did not ask for a stand
alone application.
Of course. This is just to melt whatever is left of of a few little
troll heads.
Technically, android phones do everything iphones can do but without
needing to log into other people's cloud servers just to copy a file.
You dip shits keep saying this, but it's not true. People do transfers
between my Apple mobile devices and computers regularly without any
internet or cloud involvement. You're either horribly uninformed or just
trolling (and likely both at the same time).
They have discernment issues. Can't seem to separate personal use of
Apple devices integrated via iCloud from other uses of Apple devices.
Both Google and Apple (and Microsoft for that matter) would love to lock >>> you into their servers by making the operating system useless without them. >>>
Only Apple succeeded.
actually, only microsoft succeeded with windows 10s, which could only
run apps from the microsoft app store. third party apps downloaded from
websites or elsewhere did not work.
What you probably meant to say was Windows 11, and even then the M$ account isn't mandatory (but you do have to jump through a few hoops to avoid it).
Even so, the only operating system that highly restricts your app choices
to only those apps that are found on the company's servers is Apple's iOS.
With Windows (even Windows 11) and with Android (and even with macOS I
hope) you can install programs from anywhere you want to get them from.
It's only Apple who succeeded in locking you into only their IPA servers.
Both Google and Apple (and Microsoft for that matter) would love to lock >>> you into their servers by making the operating system useless without
them.
Only Apple succeeded.
actually, only microsoft succeeded with windows 10s, which could only
run apps from the microsoft app store. third party apps downloaded from
websites or elsewhere did not work.
What you probably meant to say was Windows 11, and even then the M$ account isn't mandatory (but you do have to jump through a few hoops to avoid it).
Mistake I made.
I didn't see the "s" but you're still hopelessly wrong about Windows 10S.
It was (and is) so easy to convert Windows 10S to Windows 10 Home that
you'd have to actually go to some trouble NOT to be converted since just downloading any program installer (such as Firefox.msi) would ASK you if
you wanted to convert from Windows 10S to Windows 10 Home.
In article <u5gjqo$1bd53$1@novabbs.org>, vader <darthvader@victory.net> wrote:
Example: Android sms/mms messengers work fine without logging into
Google servers. How does your iMessage work without logging into
Apple servers?
how does google messages work without logging into google servers?
hint: it doesn't.
On 6/4/2023 6:39 AM, nospam wrote:
you clearly don't think. full stop.
icloud is optional. it's not required. i know that big words confuse
you, which means it *can* be avoided.
most people use icloud because of the many features it offers,
however, those who have alternatives or prefer to simply go without
can choose to do so.
The problem you don't understand is
you have to log into Apple servers to do almost everything on the
iPhone
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-06-03, Rudolph Rhein <RudolphRhein@nospam.net> wrote:
Technically, android phones do everything iphones can do but
without needing to log into other people's cloud servers just to
copy a file.
You dip shits keep saying this, but it's not true. People do
transfers between my Apple mobile devices and computers regularly
without any internet or cloud involvement. You're either horribly
uninformed or just trolling (and likely both at the same time).
They have discernment issues. Can't seem to separate personal use of
Apple devices integrated via iCloud from other uses of Apple devices.
Let's take an example or two to clarify your discernment issues.
Let's say you want to cast your phone onto your PC such that the image
of the phone, its sound, the typing, the mouse movements & clipboard
all work.
With Android, you can do that WITHOUT needing to be on any account at
all. No account is needed on the phone. No account is needed on the computer.
What about with iOS?
Example: Android sms/mms messengers work fine without logging into Google
servers. How does your iMessage work without logging into Apple servers?
how does google messages work without logging into google servers?
hint: it doesn't.
Example: Android users install apps from anywhere (just like they can on
Windows). How do you install iOS apps without logging into Apple servers?
that's been explained to you many, many times.
it's also something almost nobody actually does. even epic games
couldn't get any traction with an alternate app store.
Example: With Android, you don't have to create a mandatory cloud account.
same with ios.
How do you create an AppleID without that process adding an iCloud account?
they're actually separate, and can have separate passwords.
What this means is that Android never needs servers while iOS always does.
What you probably meant to say was Windows 11,
nope. i meant windows 10s. if i meant windows 11, i would have said
that.
it helps to understand how things work before making baseless claims
and trying to bash anything.
and even then the M$ account
isn't mandatory (but you do have to jump through a few hoops to avoid it).
interesting definition of mandatory.
Even so, the only operating system that highly restricts your app choices
to only those apps that are found on the company's servers is Apple's iOS.
that is wrong.
It's only Apple who succeeded in locking you into only their IPA servers.
looks like someone has had a few too many ipas.
Worse than the iPhone integration being such trash that by plugging it into Windows all you can see is the DCIM folder, and worse than that folder
being read only, but its folders & files are named about as dumb as can be.
DCIM/{101Apple,102Apple,103Apple}/{IMG_1001.JPG,IMG_1002.JPG,IMG_1003.jpg}
Android integration when plugging into Windows is far better than iPhone. It's two way. It's more of the file system. It's files named sensibly.
why would apple, google or anyone else offer what has already been a
failure?
Even though Apple phones are marketed almost exclusively on peer pressure, have you noticed even Android phones market mostly to under 30 youngins?
Apple understands marketing phones as well as anyone does. So does Samsung.
Apple markets the iphone to sell to those people who only care about style. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVAlFEFHXjk
Samsung markets to people who only care about what the phone is capable of. https://youtu.be/s8AmkizQ39s
On 6/4/2023 3:26 AM, nospam wrote:
Example: Android sms/mms messengers work fine without logging into
Google servers. How does your iMessage work without logging into
Apple servers?
how does google messages work without logging into google servers?
hint: it doesn't.
What's common with iPhone owners like you is that you think there is
only one sms/mms messenger because you don't know how anything but
Apple works.
Your lack of knowledge aside, the iPhone doesn't work without logging
into more than a few Apple servers - where iMessage servers are only
one type.
Was anyone really waiting for a
yellow phone. I have never seen one out in the wild.
Apple understands marketing phones as well as anyone does. So does Samsung. >>
Apple markets the iphone to sell to those people who only care about style. >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVAlFEFHXjk
Yes, that has to be about the dumbest iPhone marketing attempt to
jump-start iPhone 14 non-pro sales. Was anyone really waiting for a
yellow phone. I have never seen one out in the wild.
Samsung markets to people who only care about what the phone is capable of. >> https://youtu.be/s8AmkizQ39s
A good Samsung ad except for the fact that you now need a dongle for a headphone jack on newer Samsung phones as well.
Also, Apple eventually
added wireless charging to the iPhone, three years after Samsung. Still
no Apple Pencil support for any iPhones though.
Remember, these are consumer products. Style is important.
Even though Apple phones are marketed almost exclusively on peer pressure, >> have you noticed even Android phones market mostly to under 30 youngins?
Yes & No.
You can call it "peer pressure" but in the U.S., the lack of a widely
used cross-platform messaging app is a big reason for the iPhones
success. In countries where WhatsApp, WeChat, or Line are the default messaging app there is not the kind of peer pressure you see in the U.S.
(or Japan) to use an iPhone.
My son, who is now 25, moved from Android to iOS, with an iPhone, an
iPad, and an Apple Watch. Most of his colleagues use iPhones, as do most
of his students (he's a teacher). iMessage is a big reason but also a
lot of applications are now on iPad that are better than their Android equivalents. He still has to run Windows for some stuff, but he does it
on his x86 MacBook Pro so he can't switch to a M series Macbook.
On my wife's work iPhone she never uses iMessage, the company has a
secure messaging app due to HIPAA requirements. I don't think that she
has ever opened iMessage in the ten or so years the company has provided iPhones to staff.
I'm now able to do iMessage on my Android device as well as my iPhone
thanks to AirMessage <https://airmessage.org/> but this required that I
have a Mac of some sort so I bought an old Mac Mini for $100.
On 2023-06-03 12:53, Charles Jack Jones wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jun 2023 15:24:58 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
In markets where people earn far less than North America it likely
skews to the lower end of the market.
In normal markets, we simply have choices.
Yup.
Android gives all users choices that Apple doesn't allow any user to
have.
All users have the choice of buying Apple or not.
And it (of course) integrates beautifully with the rest of the
Apple line.� Something that cannot happen in Android world because >>>>>> they're eating each other.� (Not to mention that hardly anyone
daily drives Linux on their desktops).
If you stay Samsung, say, there is a lot of integration, for
instance. Similarly with other brands.
So, if my employee has a Google Pixel and I have a Samsung phone can
I trivially set up a shared note with him?� Shared chat? Shared
reminders list?� Simply by inviting him to the (note, chat ...)
Certainly.
I use Google Keep for shared notes. I also use Google Calc and Google
Docs to share spreadsheets and office documents.
What's always the case is Apple owners don't understand how computers
work.
They don't realize Google cloud servers do everything icloud servers do.
And one thing that iCloud servers don't to do:
Spy on you.
On 6/3/2023 2:55 PM, Tamborino wrote:
<snip>
Even though Apple phones are marketed almost exclusively on peer
pressure,
have you noticed even Android phones market mostly to under 30 youngins?
Yes & No.
You can call it "peer pressure" but in the U.S., the lack of a widely
used cross-platform messaging app is a big reason for the iPhones
success. In countries where WhatsApp, WeChat, or Line are the default messaging app there is not the kind of peer pressure you see in the U.S.
(or Japan) to use an iPhone.
My son, who is now 25, moved from Android to iOS, with an iPhone, an
iPad, and an Apple Watch. Most of his colleagues use iPhones, as do most
of his students (he's a teacher). iMessage is a big reason but also a
lot of applications are now on iPad that are better than their Android equivalents. He still has to run Windows for some stuff, but he does it
on his x86 MacBook Pro so he can't switch to a M series Macbook.
On my wife's work iPhone she never uses iMessage, the company has a
secure messaging app due to HIPAA requirements. I don't think that she
has ever opened iMessage in the ten or so years the company has provided iPhones to staff.
I'm now able to do iMessage on my Android device as well as my iPhone
thanks to AirMessage <https://airmessage.org/> but this required that I
have a Mac of some sort so I bought an old Mac Mini for $100.
Even though Apple phones are marketed almost exclusively on peer
pressure,
have you noticed even Android phones market mostly to under 30 youngins?
Yes & No.
You can call it "peer pressure" but in the U.S., the lack of a widely
used cross-platform messaging app is a big reason for the iPhones
success. In countries where WhatsApp, WeChat, or Line are the default
messaging app there is not the kind of peer pressure you see in the U.S.
(or Japan) to use an iPhone.
Ah, yes.
So if your peers use iMessage, you need to get an iphone to communicate
with your friends, or convince them to switch to Whatsapp or another app.
Yes, indeed, that's peer pressure.
And yes, it is a problem for me, to communicate with relatives I have in Canada that have an iphone.
Reminds me, the EU is moving slowly towards mandating that all messaging platforms can communicate between them seamlessly X I hear the crowd shouting :-D
My son, who is now 25, moved from Android to iOS, with an iPhone, an
iPad, and an Apple Watch. Most of his colleagues use iPhones, as do most
of his students (he's a teacher). iMessage is a big reason but also a
lot of applications are now on iPad that are better than their Android
equivalents. He still has to run Windows for some stuff, but he does it
on his x86 MacBook Pro so he can't switch to a M series Macbook.
What apps? I'm curious. :-)
On my wife's work iPhone she never uses iMessage, the company has a
secure messaging app due to HIPAA requirements. I don't think that she
has ever opened iMessage in the ten or so years the company has provided
iPhones to staff.
I'm now able to do iMessage on my Android device as well as my iPhone
thanks to AirMessage <https://airmessage.org/> but this required that I
have a Mac of some sort so I bought an old Mac Mini for $100.
On 3.6.2023 22:38, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
On my wife's work iPhone she never uses iMessage, the company has a
secure messaging app due to HIPAA requirements. I don't think that she
has ever opened iMessage in the ten or so years the company has provided iPhones to staff.
I'm curious how the company gets around the requirement for the iMessage
app to be the only default for receiving sms or mms from non-company users.
Is this non-iMessage iPhone messaging app like Whatsapp, WeChat or Line
where it can ONLY process messages between users LOGGED INTO their servers?
But you can't replace Messages as the standard SMS app.
Google doesn't spy the contents of the files in the cloud, either.
On 4.6.2023 16:06, Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
But you can't replace Messages as the standard SMS app.
That's what I thought because Apple always has artificial restrictions that
I would think most professional people would dislike due to limitations.
With Android you can change the default sms/mms messaging app at will.
Since you seem to know this better than most, why is it that nobody on Android is complaining about their bubbles - but only iOS users do that?
So if your peers use iMessage, you need to get an iphone to communicate
with your friends, or convince them to switch to Whatsapp or another app.
What apps? I'm curious. :-)
It's rumored that a Macbook with a touch screen, and support for Apple Pencil, is on the way by 2025.
This is good news and will enable a lot
of new apps.
They need to do something since Mac market share continues
to fall,
it went from 8.6% to 7.2% between 1Q2022 and 1Q2023 according
to IDC data.
On 2023-06-03 22:26, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-03 12:53, Charles Jack Jones wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jun 2023 15:24:58 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
In markets where people earn far less than North America it likely
skews to the lower end of the market.
In normal markets, we simply have choices.
Yup.
Android gives all users choices that Apple doesn't allow any user to
have.
All users have the choice of buying Apple or not.
But we can buy Samsung, Lenovo, Motorola, Huawei... dozens of brands.
You can't. Apple or nothing. :-p
Google doesn't spy the contents of the files in the cloud, either.
On 4.6.2023 10:20, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Even though Apple phones are marketed almost exclusively on peerYes & No.
pressure,
have you noticed even Android phones market mostly to under 30 youngins? >>>
You can call it "peer pressure" but in the U.S., the lack of a widely
used cross-platform messaging app is a big reason for the iPhones
success. In countries where WhatsApp, WeChat, or Line are the default
messaging app there is not the kind of peer pressure you see in the U.S. >>> (or Japan) to use an iPhone.
Ah, yes.
So if your peers use iMessage, you need to get an iphone to communicate
with your friends, or convince them to switch to Whatsapp or another app.
Yes, indeed, that's peer pressure.
It's weird to me also but it does seem to be a thing that young people are swayed into longing for their bubbles to be a certain Apple color, at least based on the executive memos unearthed during the recent Epic court case.
And yes, it is a problem for me, to communicate with relatives I have in
Canada that have an iphone.
I sms/mms daily where I don't ask recipients what their messaging app is.
If it's an iPhone they're stuck on the most rigid possible but if it's Android they can use almost any of probably hundreds of messaging apps.
It all works fine on my end.
Reminds me, the EU is moving slowly towards mandating that all messaging
platforms can communicate between them seamlessly — I hear the crowd
shouting :-D
Given that the Android users don't care what sms/mms platform recipients
are on, nor their messaging app, it seems only the iPhone owners complain.
My son, who is now 25, moved from Android to iOS, with an iPhone, an
iPad, and an Apple Watch. Most of his colleagues use iPhones, as do most >>> of his students (he's a teacher). iMessage is a big reason but also a
lot of applications are now on iPad that are better than their Android
equivalents. He still has to run Windows for some stuff, but he does it
on his x86 MacBook Pro so he can't switch to a M series Macbook.
What apps? I'm curious. :-)
There are few professions where employees would put up with restrictions Apple artificially places on their devices - but - if you had to pick one environment which is OK accepting Apple's limitations - it's education.
On my wife's work iPhone she never uses iMessage, the company has a
secure messaging app due to HIPAA requirements. I don't think that she
has ever opened iMessage in the ten or so years the company has provided >>> iPhones to staff.
I'm now able to do iMessage on my Android device as well as my iPhone
thanks to AirMessage <https://airmessage.org/> but this required that I
have a Mac of some sort so I bought an old Mac Mini for $100.
Why is it Android users never complain about their messaging app choice?
On 2023-06-04, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-06-03 22:26, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-03 12:53, Charles Jack Jones wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jun 2023 15:24:58 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
In markets where people earn far less than North America it likely >>>>>> skews to the lower end of the market.
In normal markets, we simply have choices.
Yup.
Android gives all users choices that Apple doesn't allow any user to
have.
All users have the choice of buying Apple or not.
But we can buy Samsung, Lenovo, Motorola, Huawei... dozens of brands.
You can't. Apple or nothing. :-p
This is the dumbest thing I have read on the internet today. As if
people who purchase Apple products are suddenly barred from purchasing
any products made by any other company. That's complete bullshit. It's commonplace that people who use Apple products also use products made by other manufacturers. You zealots are completely out of touch with
reality.
Google doesn't spy the contents of the files in the cloud, either.
Bullshit:
Google’s Scans of Private Photos Led to False Accusations of Child Abuse <https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/08/googles-scans-private-photos-led-false-accusations-child-abuse>
---
In February of last year, Google’s algorithms wrongly flagged photos
taken by two fathers in two different states as being images of child
abuse. In both cases, the fathers—one in San Francisco, one in Houston—had small children with infections on their genitals, and had
taken photos of the area at the request of medical professionals.
Google’s algorithms, and the employees who oversee them, had a different opinion about the photos. Without informing either parent, Google
reported them to the government. That resulted in local police
departments investigating the parents.
The company also chose to perform its own investigation. In the case of
Mark, the San Francisco father, Google employees looked at not just the
photo that had been flagged by their mistaken AI, but his entire
collection of family and friend photos.
Both the Houston Police Department and the San Francisco Police
Department quickly cleared the fathers of any wrongdoing. But Google
refused to hear Mark’s appeal or reinstate his account, even after he brought the company documentation showing that the SFPD had determined
there was “no crime committed.” Remarkably, even after the New York
Times contacted Google and the error was clear, the company continues to refuse to restore any of Mark’s Google accounts, or help him get any
data back.
---
Say some more, dumb ass. This is fun.
In article <5a4ukjxl0g.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Google doesn't spy the contents of the files in the cloud, either.
keep thinking that.
meanwhile:
<https://www.computing.co.uk/news/3082486/google-docs-privacy>
G Suite domains lack end-to-end encryption and content can be
scanned by Google for a variety of purposes, claims former employee
On 2023-06-04 17:49, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-06-04, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-06-03 22:26, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-03 12:53, Charles Jack Jones wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jun 2023 15:24:58 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
In markets where people earn far less than North America it
likely skews to the lower end of the market.
In normal markets, we simply have choices.
Yup.
Android gives all users choices that Apple doesn't allow any user
to have.
All users have the choice of buying Apple or not.
But we can buy Samsung, Lenovo, Motorola, Huawei... dozens of
brands. You can't. Apple or nothing. :-p
This is the dumbest thing I have read on the internet today. As if
people who purchase Apple products are suddenly barred from
purchasing any products made by any other company. That's complete
bullshit. It's commonplace that people who use Apple products also
use products made by other manufacturers. You zealots are completely
out of touch with reality.
Can you buy an iphone clone made by another brand than Apple?
Google doesn't spy the contents of the files in the cloud, either.
Bullshit:
Google’s Scans of Private Photos Led to False Accusations of Child
Abuse
Say some more, dumb ass. This is fun.
Personal insults, I see. Not reading.
There are few professions where employees would put up with restrictions
Apple artificially places on their devices - but - if you had to pick one
environment which is OK accepting Apple's limitations - it's education.
Interesting. In my region, the regional government hires google services
for the education community. The entire suite.
On 2023-06-04 16:12, nospam wrote:
In article <5a4ukjxl0g.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Google doesn't spy the contents of the files in the cloud, either.
keep thinking that.
meanwhile:
<https://www.computing.co.uk/news/3082486/google-docs-privacy> G
Suite domains lack end-to-end encryption and content can be scanned
by Google for a variety of purposes, claims former employee
Meanwhile: governments are moving towards prohibiting end to end
encryption.
Meanwhile: governments are moving towards prohibiting end to end encryption.
On 2023-06-03 22:26, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-03 12:53, Charles Jack Jones wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jun 2023 15:24:58 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
In markets where people earn far less than North America it likely
skews to the lower end of the market.
In normal markets, we simply have choices.
Yup.
Android gives all users choices that Apple doesn't allow any user to
have.
All users have the choice of buying Apple or not.
But we can buy Samsung, Lenovo, Motorola, Huawei... dozens of brands.
You can't. Apple or nothing. :-p
And it (of course) integrates beautifully with the rest of the
Apple line.� Something that cannot happen in Android world
because they're eating each other.� (Not to mention that hardly >>>>>>> anyone daily drives Linux on their desktops).
If you stay Samsung, say, there is a lot of integration, for
instance. Similarly with other brands.
So, if my employee has a Google Pixel and I have a Samsung phone
can I trivially set up a shared note with him?� Shared chat? Shared >>>>> reminders list?� Simply by inviting him to the (note, chat ...)
Certainly.
I use Google Keep for shared notes. I also use Google Calc and
Google Docs to share spreadsheets and office documents.
What's always the case is Apple owners don't understand how computers
work.
They don't realize Google cloud servers do everything icloud servers do.
And one thing that iCloud servers don't to do:
Spy on you.
Ha ha.
Google doesn't spy the contents of the files in the cloud, either.
On 2023-06-04 04:38, sms wrote:
On 6/3/2023 2:55 PM, Tamborino wrote:
<snip>
Even though Apple phones are marketed almost exclusively on peer
pressure,
have you noticed even Android phones market mostly to under 30 youngins?
Yes & No.
You can call it "peer pressure" but in the U.S., the lack of a widely
used cross-platform messaging app is a big reason for the iPhones
success. In countries where WhatsApp, WeChat, or Line are the default
messaging app there is not the kind of peer pressure you see in the
U.S. (or Japan) to use an iPhone.
Ah, yes.
So if your peers use iMessage, you need to get an iphone to communicate
with your friends, or convince them to switch to Whatsapp or another app.
Yes, indeed, that's peer pressure.
And yes, it is a problem for me, to communicate with relatives I have in Canada that have an iphone.
On 2023-06-04 16:12, nospam wrote:
In article <5a4ukjxl0g.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Google doesn't spy the contents of the files in the cloud, either.
keep thinking that.
meanwhile:
<https://www.computing.co.uk/news/3082486/google-docs-privacy>
G Suite domains lack end-to-end encryption and content can be
scanned by Google for a variety of purposes, claims former employee
Meanwhile: governments are moving towards prohibiting end to end
encryption.
On 6/4/2023 3:20 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
<snip>
So if your peers use iMessage, you need to get an iphone to
communicate with your friends, or convince them to switch to Whatsapp
or another app.
You don't have to use iMessage to communicate but it makes things a lot easier on group chats.
What apps? I'm curious. :-)
Actually he can't use the application I was thinking of on the Mac, even running Windows. His previous computer, an Asus, supported Windows Ink
which was necessary to run the app, StaffPad. I now see that it is
available for the iPad (if you use an Apple Pencil) but it wasn't when
he was in college.
The big category is gaming since most games are Windows only.
It's rumored that a Macbook with a touch screen, and support for Apple Pencil, is on the way by 2025. This is good news and will enable a lot
of new apps. They need to do something since Mac market share continues
to fall, it went from 8.6% to 7.2% between 1Q2022 and 1Q2023 according
to IDC data.
On 3.6.2023 14:06, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
'Following its report that showed Android users pivoting to iPhone at >>>>> a 5-year high, CIRP is out today with a study that reveals why people >>>>> are making the switch. Have a guess at the number one reason? Hint,
it's not iMessage.
The last report from CIRP showed that 15% of new iPhone buyers in the >>>>> US are coming from Android. Now the firm has published a follow-up on >>>>> its Substack that reveals why Android users in the US are jumping ship.' >>>>>
<https://9to5mac.com/2023/05/31/top-reason-android-users-switch-to-iphone/>
'While iMessage's blue bubbles are often talked about as a driving
force for iPhone (as well as lock-in), interestingly, that was the
least cited reason for switching.
The top reason was actually an issue with the Android experience.
Over 53% of respondents said they moved to iPhone because of problems >>>>> with their Android smartphone. Specifics cited were "their old phone >>>>> did not serve them, because it was aging, needed repair, or had some >>>>> deficiency that affected their user experience."
The second most common reason to switch was for new features on
iPhone like "a better camera, enhanced accessory options, or a more
intuitive user interface."'
Why not just buy a new Android phone? It also will come with a better
camera.
Some will look at Android to replace their iPhone's that are not
pleasing them any longer too... cuts both ways.
That said, in North America, iPhone is the preferred mobile brand by a
long shot so Andr. -> iPh will likely lead v. the opposite move.
Yeah, I know, so specially for youths there will be peer pressure.
Even though Apple phones are marketed almost exclusively on peer pressure, have you noticed even Android phones market mostly to under 30 youngins?
On 2023-06-04, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
Apple understands marketing phones as well as anyone does. So does Samsung. >>>
Apple markets the iphone to sell to those people who only care about style. >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVAlFEFHXjk
Yes, that has to be about the dumbest iPhone marketing attempt to
jump-start iPhone 14 non-pro sales. Was anyone really waiting for a
yellow phone. I have never seen one out in the wild.
Apple must have thought people cared ONLY about not only the color of the phone but also THAT particular color - which says a lot about its owners.m
Samsung markets to people who only care about what the phone is capable of. >>> https://youtu.be/s8AmkizQ39s
A good Samsung ad except for the fact that you now need a dongle for a
headphone jack on newer Samsung phones as well.
It's unfortunate Samsung (at the high end) copied Apple's marketing
strategy of eliminating all wired headphones industry standard choices.
That trick only works on the highest end market segment that isn't at all sensitive to losing the jack capability as can be observed by the fact that almost all the mid range & lower end phones have the standard 3.5 mm jack.
Also, Apple eventually
added wireless charging to the iPhone, three years after Samsung. Still
no Apple Pencil support for any iPhones though.
If we look at how Apple markets the iPhone (based most only on its cachet) versus how Samsung markets the Galaxy (based mostly on its capability) we
can get a good idea of what each thinks of their prospective customers.
We even note this "snobbishness" in the Apple trolls saying how "expensive" their iPhones are, which they seem to carry about them as a badge of honor.
Remember, these are consumer products. Style is important.
It's obvious Apple can't market on technology since Apple can't keep up so it's much easier to declare stylish colors to market as the main feature.
On 2023-06-04 11:57, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-06-04 15:05, Tamborino wrote:
On 4.6.2023 10:20, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Even though Apple phones are marketed almost exclusively on peer
pressure,
have you noticed even Android phones market mostly to under 30
youngins?
Yes & No.
You can call it "peer pressure" but in the U.S., the lack of a widely >>>>> used cross-platform messaging app is a big reason for the iPhones
success. In countries where WhatsApp, WeChat, or Line are the default >>>>> messaging app there is not the kind of peer pressure you see in the
U.S.
(or Japan) to use an iPhone.
Ah, yes.
So if your peers use iMessage, you need to get an iphone to communicate >>>> with your friends, or convince them to switch to Whatsapp or another
app.
Yes, indeed, that's peer pressure.
It's weird to me also but it does seem to be a thing that young
people are
swayed into longing for their bubbles to be a certain Apple color, at
least
based on the executive memos unearthed during the recent Epic court
case.
And yes, it is a problem for me, to communicate with relatives I
have in
Canada that have an iphone.
I sms/mms daily where I don't ask recipients what their messaging app
is.
At one dollar per message? Because that is what it costs me to send an
mms across the Atlantic.
How is that Apple's fault?
Not a "message". An mms. Specifically an mms. To an iPhone user. To an
Android user it can be free, but not always.
Explain why it costs a different amount to send the same kind of message.
Explain how the company that charges you knows what OS is on the
telephone number receiving it.
On 2023-06-04, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-06-04 17:49, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-06-04, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-06-03 22:26, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-03 12:53, Charles Jack Jones wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jun 2023 15:24:58 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
In markets where people earn far less than North America it
likely skews to the lower end of the market.
In normal markets, we simply have choices.
Yup.
Android gives all users choices that Apple doesn't allow any user
to have.
All users have the choice of buying Apple or not.
But we can buy Samsung, Lenovo, Motorola, Huawei... dozens of
brands. You can't. Apple or nothing. :-p
This is the dumbest thing I have read on the internet today. As if
people who purchase Apple products are suddenly barred from
purchasing any products made by any other company. That's complete
bullshit. It's commonplace that people who use Apple products also
use products made by other manufacturers. You zealots are completely
out of touch with reality.
Can you buy an iphone clone made by another brand than Apple?
Predictably, you're desperately trying to move the goal post. Not
happening, kiddo.
On 2023-06-03 14:55, Tamborino wrote:
On 3.6.2023 14:06, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
'Following its report that showed Android users pivoting to iPhone at >>>>>> a 5-year high, CIRP is out today with a study that reveals why people >>>>>> are making the switch. Have a guess at the number one reason? Hint, >>>>>> it's not iMessage.
The last report from CIRP showed that 15% of new iPhone buyers in the >>>>>> US are coming from Android. Now the firm has published a follow-up on >>>>>> its Substack that reveals why Android users in the US are jumping
ship.'
<https://9to5mac.com/2023/05/31/top-reason-android-users-switch-to-iphone/>
'While iMessage's blue bubbles are often talked about as a driving >>>>>> force for iPhone (as well as lock-in), interestingly, that was the >>>>>> least cited reason for switching.
The top reason was actually an issue with the Android experience.
Over 53% of respondents said they moved to iPhone because of problems >>>>>> with their Android smartphone. Specifics cited were "their old phone >>>>>> did not serve them, because it was aging, needed repair, or had some >>>>>> deficiency that affected their user experience."
The second most common reason to switch was for new features on
iPhone like "a better camera, enhanced accessory options, or a more >>>>>> intuitive user interface."'
Why not just buy a new Android phone? It also will come with a better >>>>> camera.
Some will look at Android to replace their iPhone's that are not
pleasing them any longer too... cuts both ways.
That said, in North America, iPhone is the preferred mobile brand by a >>>> long shot so Andr. -> iPh will likely lead v. the opposite move.
Yeah, I know, so specially for youths there will be peer pressure.
Even though Apple phones are marketed almost exclusively on peer
pressure,
have you noticed even Android phones market mostly to under 30 youngins?
Arlen, where does this latest shibboleth come from?
In article <3r3vkjx0uk.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Can you buy an iphone clone made by another brand than Apple?
what would such a device offer versus a genuine iphone?
I sms/mms daily where I don't ask recipients what their messaging app
is.
At one dollar per message? Because that is what it costs me to send an
mms across the Atlantic.
How is that Apple's fault?
LOL! But it is, for refusing to implement RCS.
On 2023-06-04 23:37, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-03 14:55, Tamborino wrote:
Even though Apple phones are marketed almost exclusively on peer
pressure, have you noticed even Android phones market mostly to
under 30 youngins?
Arlen, where does this latest shibboleth come from?
LOL. Another Arlen? You are paranoid.
Since when does Arlen was a real email?
On 2023-06-04 21:27, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-06-04, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-06-04 17:49, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-06-04, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-06-03 22:26, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-03 12:53, Charles Jack Jones wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jun 2023 15:24:58 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
In markets where people earn far less than North America it
likely skews to the lower end of the market.
In normal markets, we simply have choices.
Yup.
Android gives all users choices that Apple doesn't allow any
user to have.
All users have the choice of buying Apple or not.
But we can buy Samsung, Lenovo, Motorola, Huawei... dozens of
brands. You can't. Apple or nothing. :-p
This is the dumbest thing I have read on the internet today. As if
people who purchase Apple products are suddenly barred from
purchasing any products made by any other company. That's complete
bullshit. It's commonplace that people who use Apple products also
use products made by other manufacturers. You zealots are
completely out of touch with reality.
Can you buy an iphone clone made by another brand than Apple?
Predictably, you're desperately trying to move the goal post. Not
happening, kiddo.
I'm not moving the goal post. You are.
I'm not moving the goal post. You are. That's the issue, there is no
choice of brands in the Apple world, kiddo.
I'm not moving the goal post. You are. That's the issue, there is no
choice of brands in the Apple world, kiddo.
While this is true, it also totally meaningless.
If I want a Sportster motorcycle, there is no choice in brands other than Harley-Davidson.
So?
If I want a Galaxy phone, there is no choice in brands other than Samsung.
So?
On 2023-06-03 17:46, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-06-03, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-06-03 04:55, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-06-02, Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> wrote:
nospam wrote:
With Android you get standard integration WITHOUT logging into
someone else's computers everywhere you are & every moment of your >>>>>> private life.
except for google itself along with countless ad tracking and data >>>>> mining companies plus the app developers themselves, and to top it >>>>> off, the integration isn't even very good.
The cost of the Apple ecosystem is you have to log into it to do
anything.
Nonsense. I know people who never log into iCloud, and they have no
problems using their Macs and iPhones. You're trolling as usual,
Arlen.
LOL. Another Arlen?
Woozy is using an actual email, something Arlen would never do. And
uses a posting account and runs Linux.
God you people are gullible.
Indeed, you are. And paranoid :-D
Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:
I'm not moving the goal post. You are. That's the issue, there is no
choice of brands in the Apple world, kiddo.
While this is true, it also totally meaningless.
Not really. At least not in the way that Carlos is intimating.
If I want a Sportster motorcycle, there is no choice in brands other than
Harley-Davidson.
Unlike with Apple, there are many choices in motorcycles if you want something that looks and sounds like a Harley but actually has quality.
Harley even sued the Japanese cycle manufacturers for copying not only the HOG look & feel but also the sound (but without HD engine-oil puddles).
Apple & Harley are equivalent in terms of marketing with no substance.
They advertise freedom like a MAGA hat does - but they never deliver it.
I'm not moving the goal post. You are. That's the issue, there is no
choice of brands in the Apple world, kiddo.
While this is true, it also totally meaningless.
Not really. At least not in the way that Carlos is intimating.
If I want a Sportster motorcycle, there is no choice in brands other than >>> Harley-Davidson.
Unlike with Apple, there are many choices in motorcycles if you want
something that looks and sounds like a Harley but actually has quality.
But I don't want "something that looks and sounds like a Harley". I want
a Harley. Why doesn't Honda sell actual HD motorcycles but with a Honda logo?
Harley even sued the Japanese cycle manufacturers for copying not only the >> HOG look & feel but also the sound (but without HD engine-oil puddles).
Good for them. You can't sell copies of your competitor's product without permission. That's why there are no actual HD motorcycles but with a
Honda logo. Which is why there are no iPhones with a Samsung logo.
That's how all of this works. We don't NEED Honda selling Sportsters. Why do we NEED Samsung selling iPhones?
So, you (and others) desperately trying to claim that "only Apple" is a disadvantage is ridiculous. That's how the world works. One company
makes a product. No one can copy it. Period.
Are you in the Gibson newsgroups complaining about the "single source" of
Les Pauls?
How about McDonald's being the "single source" for Big Macs.
Is that OK?
Apple & Harley are equivalent in terms of marketing with no substance.
They advertise freedom like a MAGA hat does - but they never deliver it.
Even if that were true, why do you care?
Just don't buy a Harley or an iPhone.
Why do you feel the need to come here and state your opinions
that no one here cares about? Do you hang out in HD newsgroups explaining how Hondas are a much better choice for "freedom"?
Do you just like to argue with strangers?
People buy highly advertised products not for what they do, but for the
feeling they get from associating themselves with the advertising cachet.
Yeah man, because Google and Samsung don't advertise.
Thanks for adding nothing at all to the conversation.
People buy highly advertised products not for what they do, but for the feeling they get from associating themselves with the advertising cachet.
On 2023-06-04 23:07, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-04 11:57, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-06-04 15:05, Tamborino wrote:
On 4.6.2023 10:20, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Even though Apple phones are marketed almost exclusively on peer >>>>>>> pressure,
have you noticed even Android phones market mostly to under 30
youngins?
Yes & No.
You can call it "peer pressure" but in the U.S., the lack of a widely >>>>>> used cross-platform messaging app is a big reason for the iPhones
success. In countries where WhatsApp, WeChat, or Line are the default >>>>>> messaging app there is not the kind of peer pressure you see in
the U.S.
(or Japan) to use an iPhone.
Ah, yes.
So if your peers use iMessage, you need to get an iphone to
communicate
with your friends, or convince them to switch to Whatsapp or
another app.
Yes, indeed, that's peer pressure.
It's weird to me also but it does seem to be a thing that young
people are
swayed into longing for their bubbles to be a certain Apple color,
at least
based on the executive memos unearthed during the recent Epic court
case.
And yes, it is a problem for me, to communicate with relatives I
have in
Canada that have an iphone.
I sms/mms daily where I don't ask recipients what their messaging
app is.
At one dollar per message? Because that is what it costs me to send
an mms across the Atlantic.
How is that Apple's fault?
LOL! But it is, for refusing to implement RCS.
Not a "message". An mms. Specifically an mms. To an iPhone user. To
an Android user it can be free, but not always.
Explain why it costs a different amount to send the same kind of message.
Explain how the company that charges you knows what OS is on the
telephone number receiving it.
I will not. You should know. I have explained it before.
Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:
People buy highly advertised products not for what they do, but for theYeah man, because Google and Samsung don't advertise.
feeling they get from associating themselves with the advertising cachet. >>
Why do you think Apple advertised the yellow iPhone?
A phone is a commodity. They all do the same thing.
Unless they're yellow.
Then they're different.
A yellow phone is special.
Every company tries to turn a commodity into a trademark with advertising.
Thanks for adding nothing at all to the conversation.
All you seek is a trademark (and not a product which has useful value).
On 2023-06-04 23:37, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-03 14:55, Tamborino wrote:
On 3.6.2023 14:06, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
'Following its report that showed Android users pivoting to
iPhone at
a 5-year high, CIRP is out today with a study that reveals why
people
are making the switch. Have a guess at the number one reason? Hint, >>>>>>> it's not iMessage.
The last report from CIRP showed that 15% of new iPhone buyers in >>>>>>> the
US are coming from Android. Now the firm has published a
follow-up on
its Substack that reveals why Android users in the US are jumping >>>>>>> ship.'
<https://9to5mac.com/2023/05/31/top-reason-android-users-switch-to-iphone/>
'While iMessage's blue bubbles are often talked about as a driving >>>>>>> force for iPhone (as well as lock-in), interestingly, that was the >>>>>>> least cited reason for switching.
The top reason was actually an issue with the Android experience. >>>>>>> Over 53% of respondents said they moved to iPhone because of
problems
with their Android smartphone. Specifics cited were "their old phone >>>>>>> did not serve them, because it was aging, needed repair, or had some >>>>>>> deficiency that affected their user experience."
The second most common reason to switch was for new features on
iPhone like "a better camera, enhanced accessory options, or a more >>>>>>> intuitive user interface."'
Why not just buy a new Android phone? It also will come with a better >>>>>> camera.
Some will look at Android to replace their iPhone's that are not
pleasing them any longer too... cuts both ways.
That said, in North America, iPhone is the preferred mobile brand by a >>>>> long shot so Andr. -> iPh will likely lead v. the opposite move.
Yeah, I know, so specially for youths there will be peer pressure.
Even though Apple phones are marketed almost exclusively on peer
pressure,
have you noticed even Android phones market mostly to under 30 youngins?
Arlen, where does this latest shibboleth come from?
LOL. Another Arlen? You are paranoid.
Since when does Arlen was a real email?
In article <9e22ljxk1c.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Can you buy an iphone clone made by another brand than Apple?
what would such a device offer versus a genuine iphone?
Competition. Variance. All would be genuine, by the way.
no they won't.
nobody makes a samsung galaxy clone. only samsung has samsung-specific features, such as their suite of apps and bixby.
phones aren't commodity items. each model has features and benefits
unique to itself.
Can you buy an iphone clone made by another brand than Apple?
what would such a device offer versus a genuine iphone?
Competition. Variance. All would be genuine, by the way.
no they won't.
nobody makes a samsung galaxy clone. only samsung has samsung-specific features, such as their suite of apps and bixby.
phones aren't commodity items. each model has features and benefits
unique to itself.
You are picking on words.
We can buy a Huawei instead of Samsung, for instance.
You can only buy
Apple.
In article <j8j4ljxr0l.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Can you buy an iphone clone made by another brand than Apple?
what would such a device offer versus a genuine iphone?
Competition. Variance. All would be genuine, by the way.
no they won't.
nobody makes a samsung galaxy clone. only samsung has samsung-specific
features, such as their suite of apps and bixby.
phones aren't commodity items. each model has features and benefits
unique to itself.
You are picking on words.
no picking at all. i'm explaining why phones aren't commodity items.
We can buy a Huawei instead of Samsung, for instance.
anyone can do that, but those who do won't get samsung-only features.
huawei phones are *not* clones of samsung phones (and vice versa).
You can only buy
Apple.
nope. i can buy anything i want, which is whatever is best suited to
the tasks i need to do.
We can buy a Huawei instead of Samsung, for instance.
anyone can do that, but those who do won't get samsung-only features.
huawei phones are *not* clones of samsung phones (and vice versa).
You can only buy
Apple.
nope. i can buy anything i want, which is whatever is best suited to
the tasks i need to do.
No, you can't.
If you want it to run Apple OS, you can not.
No, you can't. If you want it to run Apple OS, you can not.
All you seek is a trademark (and not a product which has useful value).
Apple spends plenty of time and money advertising the iPhone's features,
and while people might buy a product once because of "cool" factor, that quickly palls (look it up) if the product doesn't live up to the hype,
and the fact is that Apple has extreme customer loyalty, and you can't
say it is because of lock-in, because the vast majority of iPhone users
own no Apple device BUT their iPhones.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
All you seek is a trademark (and not a product which has useful value).
Apple spends plenty of time and money advertising the iPhone's features,
and while people might buy a product once because of "cool" factor, that
quickly palls (look it up) if the product doesn't live up to the hype,
and the fact is that Apple has extreme customer loyalty, and you can't
say it is because of lock-in, because the vast majority of iPhone users
own no Apple device BUT their iPhones.
A phone is a commodity.
Apple knows how to market the iPhone commodity better than anyone does.
And Apple felt there was nothing else that would sell more iPhones.
But that yellow color.
For the people who buy iPhones - that color made the commodity "different."
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
No, you can't. If you want it to run Apple OS, you can not.
So? Why is this a problem? If you want a Les Paul guitar, your only choice is Gibson.
Besides, this is 2023. Not 1983. No one but computer geeks care about OSes these days. No one buys ANY computer to run the OS. Its all about what the computer can do. The OS means nothing to anyone.
To the vast majority of the population - who are NOT computer geeks and
have no desire to become one - they are all just phones. Most people don’t even know what an OS is.
If it's your FIRST computer, then probably yeah. Once you've used one
kind for a while you don't want to switch to a new kind. At least I
don't without some overwhelming reason.
On 2023-06-05 15:07, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-06-04 23:37, Alan wrote:
On 2023-06-03 14:55, Tamborino wrote:
Even though Apple phones are marketed almost exclusively on peer
pressure, have you noticed even Android phones market mostly to
under 30 youngins?
Arlen, where does this latest shibboleth come from?
LOL. Another Arlen? You are paranoid.
Since when does Arlen was a real email?
Since when does a string of characters in the form of an email address guarantee it is real?
Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:
People buy highly advertised products not for what they do, but for
the feeling they get from associating themselves with the
advertising cachet.
Yeah man, because Google and Samsung don't advertise.
Why do you think Apple advertised the yellow iPhone?
For example, look at the recommendations for college of engineering
The key
requirement is to be able to run Windows natively.
This was possible on
x86 Macs with dual-booting but it is no longer possible with the Apple silicon Macs.
One university advises that those with Macs can "remotely
connect to a virtual Windows machine to use the majority of the software
that is required for their courses."
One university advises that those with Macs can "remotely
connect to a virtual Windows machine to use the majority of the software
that is required for their courses."
nearly all schools have no issues whatsoever with macs and some even recommend them, including for engineering, such as mit, one of the top engineering schools.
On 6/6/2023 4:55 PM, The Real Bev wrote:arizona.edu/IT/computer-requirements> etc.. The key requirement is to be able to run Windows natively. This was possible on x86 Macs with dual-booting but it is no longer possible with the Apple silicon Macs. One university advises that those with Macs
<snip>
If it's your FIRST computer, then probably yeah. Once you've used one
kind for a while you don't want to switch to a new kind. At least I
don't without some overwhelming reason.
If you look at the recommendations for laptops for new college students,
the OS _does_ make a difference because what the computer can do is
directly related to the OS it is running.
For example, look at the recommendations for college of engineering
students at University of Colorado: <https://engineering.ucdenver.edu/laptops#ac-bioengineering-bachelor-of-science-0>, Penn State college of engineering <https://www.ncts.psu.edu/computing/coe_comp_recommendation.aspx>, University or Arizona college of engineering <https://engineering.
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-06-03 17:46, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-06-03, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-06-03 04:55, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-06-02, Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> wrote:
nospam wrote:
With Android you get standard integration WITHOUT logging into >>>>>>>> someone else's computers everywhere you are & every moment of your >>>>>>>> private life.
except for google itself along with countless ad tracking and data >>>>>>> mining companies plus the app developers themselves, and to top it >>>>>>> off, the integration isn't even very good.
The cost of the Apple ecosystem is you have to log into it to do
anything.
Nonsense. I know people who never log into iCloud, and they have no
problems using their Macs and iPhones. You're trolling as usual,
Arlen.
LOL. Another Arlen?
Woozy is using an actual email, something Arlen would never do. And
uses a posting account and runs Linux.
God you people are gullible.
Indeed, you are. And paranoid :-D
Well, the combination of an outlook.com email address and Linux is somewhat odd, but as either could be faked, ...
But indeed AFAICT, 'Arlen' has never used a posting account (because
he would lose that quick-smart), nor Eternal September.
OTOH, lately there are quite a lot of trolls/loons which sound
a_bit/quite like 'Arlen'.
When I was about to buy my first computer around 1985, the chaps at the student club of the uni told me to buy an IBM PC "clone", and don't even think of an Apple thing: if you do, we can not help you at all with
software. We only have IBM PC software.
When I was about to buy my first computer around 1985, the chaps at the
student club of the uni told me to buy an IBM PC "clone", and don't even >> think of an Apple thing: if you do, we can not help you at all with
software. We only have IBM PC software.
1985 ???
that was 38 years ago. a *lot* has changed since then.
Not really, no. Not in engineering.
In article <hm22ljxbtt.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
I sms/mms daily where I don't ask recipients what their messaging app >>>>> is.
At one dollar per message? Because that is what it costs me to send an >>>> mms across the Atlantic.
How is that Apple's fault?
LOL! But it is, for refusing to implement RCS.
rcs isn't the panacea people think. encryption is optional, which means either you use the same messaging app as other people or your messages
are not encrypted.
it's also carrier controlled, which means it's tied
to an active phone number.
pricing isn't necessarily free.
In article <fo46ljxmfu.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
When I was about to buy my first computer around 1985, the chaps at the
student club of the uni told me to buy an IBM PC "clone", and don't even
think of an Apple thing: if you do, we can not help you at all with
software. We only have IBM PC software.
1985 ???
that was 38 years ago. a *lot* has changed since then.
On 2023-06-07 14:04, nospam wrote:
In article <fo46ljxmfu.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
When I was about to buy my first computer around 1985, the chaps at the
student club of the uni told me to buy an IBM PC "clone", and don't even >>> think of an Apple thing: if you do, we can not help you at all with
software. We only have IBM PC software.
1985 ???
that was 38 years ago. a *lot* has changed since then.
Not really, no. Not in engineering.
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
No, you can't. If you want it to run Apple OS, you can not.
So? Why is this a problem? If you want a Les Paul guitar, your only choice is Gibson.
Besides, this is 2023. Not 1983. No one but computer geeks care about OSes these days. No one buys ANY computer to run the OS. Its all about what the computer can do. The OS means nothing to anyone.
To the vast majority of the population - who are NOT computer geeks and
have no desire to become one - they are all just phones. Most people don?t even know what an OS is.
On 2023-06-07 02:48, sms wrote:arizona.edu/IT/computer-requirements> etc.. The key requirement is to be able to run Windows natively. This was possible on x86 Macs with dual-booting but it is no longer possible with the Apple silicon Macs. One university advises that those with Macs
On 6/6/2023 4:55 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
<snip>
If it's your FIRST computer, then probably yeah. Once you've used one
kind for a while you don't want to switch to a new kind. At least I
don't without some overwhelming reason.
If you look at the recommendations for laptops for new college students,
the OS _does_ make a difference because what the computer can do is
directly related to the OS it is running.
For example, look at the recommendations for college of engineering
students at University of Colorado:
<https://engineering.ucdenver.edu/laptops#ac-bioengineering-bachelor-of-science-0>, Penn State college of engineering <https://www.ncts.psu.edu/computing/coe_comp_recommendation.aspx>, University or Arizona college of engineering <https://engineering.
Indeed.
When I was about to buy my first computer around 1985, the chaps at the >student club of the uni told me to buy an IBM PC "clone", and don't even >think of an Apple thing: if you do, we can not help you at all with >software. We only have IBM PC software.
Yes, I was considering Apple things back then.
When I was about to buy my first computer around 1985, the chaps at the >student club of the uni told me to buy an IBM PC "clone", and don't even >think of an Apple thing: if you do, we can not help you at all with >software. We only have IBM PC software.
Yes, I was considering Apple things back then.
Back in 1985, Apple computer were pretty much just toys. If you wanted
to do much more than play games, you needed an IBM or a clone.
It's different today, of course.
When I was about to buy my first computer around 1985, the chaps at the
student club of the uni told me to buy an IBM PC "clone", and don't even >>> think of an Apple thing: if you do, we can not help you at all with
software. We only have IBM PC software.
1985 ???
that was 38 years ago. a *lot* has changed since then.
Not really, no. Not in engineering.
When I was about to buy my first computer around 1985, the chaps at the >>>> student club of the uni told me to buy an IBM PC "clone", and don't even >>>> think of an Apple thing: if you do, we can not help you at all with
software. We only have IBM PC software.
1985 ???
that was 38 years ago. a *lot* has changed since then.
Not really, no. Not in engineering.
yes really. technology continues to advance. a lot has changed from
just a few years ago, let alone nearly 40 years.
Not a problem. SMSs are not encrypted at all.
people want encryption, which will be a problem with rcs.
On 07/06/2023 15:12, Carlos E.R. wrote:
When I was about to buy my first computer around 1985, the chaps at the >>>> student club of the uni told me to buy an IBM PC "clone", and don't
even
think of an Apple thing: if you do, we can not help you at all with
software. We only have IBM PC software.
1985 ???
that was 38 years ago. a *lot* has changed since then.
Not really, no. Not in engineering.
What hasn't changed is what Apple does to restrict what a customer can do.
What hasn't changed is what Apple does to restrict what a customer can do.
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> said:
When I was about to buy my first computer around 1985, the chaps
at the student club of the uni told me to buy an IBM PC "clone",
and don't even think of an Apple thing: if you do, we can not help
you at all with software. We only have IBM PC software.
1985 ???
that was 38 years ago. a *lot* has changed since then.
Not really, no. Not in engineering.
yes really. technology continues to advance. a lot has changed from
just a few years ago, let alone nearly 40 years.
Absolutely. Things were different in 1985. At least with phones they
were.
For a poignant current Apple example, phones weren't yellow in those
days. (They were either black, blue, cream or for the "princess
phone", pink!)
Now Apple has yellow iPhones! That's technological progress for you.
What hasn't changed is what Apple does to restrict what a customer can do.
keep thinking that. did you know the earth is flat?
On 07/06/2023 19:25, nospam wrote:
What hasn't changed is what Apple does to restrict what a customer
can do.
keep thinking that. did you know the earth is flat?
Do you really want to go down the list of all the things Apple does to restrict what their customers can do compared to Android NOT doing that?
Besides, if you don't know it by now then you know nothing about Apple.
Worse, if you haven't notice what's missing in iPhones then you don't know anything about Android either (eg expansion slots, aux jacks, sideloading).
When I was about to buy my first computer around 1985, the chaps at the student club of the uni told me to buy an IBM PC "clone", and don't even think of an Apple thing: if you do, we can not help you at all with
software. We only have IBM PC software.
Yes, I was considering Apple things back then.
Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
No, you can't. If you want it to run Apple OS, you can not.
So? Why is this a problem? If you want a Les Paul guitar, your only
choice is Gibson.
Besides, this is 2023. Not 1983. No one but computer geeks care about
OSes these days. No one buys ANY computer to run the OS. Its all about
what the computer can do. The OS means nothing to anyone.
Nope. The 'computer' *plus* the OS. "Great computer, but it doesn't
run my <bleep> software!"
To the vast majority of the population - who are NOT computer geeks and
have no desire to become one - they are all just phones. Most people don?t >> even know what an OS is.
But they *do* know the difference between 'an iPhone' and 'an Android phone' and that's *exactly* what Carlos is talking about. That *he*
calls them by their OS doesn't change anything.
Same for 'Mac' versus 'Windows' (versus 'Linux').
In article <qhc6ljxrk.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
I sms/mms daily where I don't ask recipients what their messaging app >>>>>>> is.
At one dollar per message? Because that is what it costs me to send an >>>>>> mms across the Atlantic.
How is that Apple's fault?
LOL! But it is, for refusing to implement RCS.
rcs isn't the panacea people think. encryption is optional, which means
either you use the same messaging app as other people or your messages
are not encrypted.
Not a problem. SMSs are not encrypted at all.
people want encryption, which will be a problem with rcs.
if people have to use the same rcs app to use the same encryption,
they're no better off than existing messaging apps.
it's also carrier controlled, which means it's tied
to an active phone number.
not a problem. Same as SMS.
it is a problem, because people sometimes change numbers and not
everyone has a phone number.
existing solutions solve both of those problems.
pricing isn't necessarily free.
As far as I have used it, yes, it is free.
maybe for you, for now. that doesn't mean it's free for everyone or
will remain free for eternity.
...
It is not perfect, but it is a large improvement.
it's an improvement over sms, but that doesn't mean it's better than
other options. there are still many issues.
google is pushing rcs because all of their previous messaging apps have
been a failure. they could have had something compelling.
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/a-decade-and-a-half-of-instabil ity-the-history-of-google-messaging-apps/>
Not really, no. Not in engineering.
rcs targets to be an sms replacement.
Please explain in detail for which cases is rcs not free.
It is a protocol, you can do your own app.
Bottom line, if you're doing engineering stuff, whether in college or in
your job, you want to have a Windows machine with a fast CPU and a
high-power graphics card.
On 6/7/2023 6:12 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
<snip>
Not really, no. Not in engineering.
I was at one workshop, put on by Atmel (now part of Microchip) and
someone was upset that Atmel dropped the Linux version of their
development system. They never had a Mac version. It was just too much
work to maintain the Linux version for the limited number of users that insisted on not running Windows. There was never a Mac version. You
would often have attendees with Macbooks but they were running Windows
in a dual-boot configuration (not as a virtual machine which would
usually not work because of issues with I/O ports).
Nope. The 'computer' *plus* the OS. "Great computer, but it doesn't
run my <bleep> software!"
To the vast majority of the population - who are NOT computer geeks and
have no desire to become one - they are all just phones. Most people don?t >> even know what an OS is.
But they *do* know the difference between 'an iPhone' and 'an Android phone' and that's *exactly* what Carlos is talking about. That *he*
calls them by their OS doesn't change anything.
Most people have no clue what an OS is, nor do they care. The computer is all they know.
Similar to a car is just a car. Not a car + engine + transmission + tires.
Its a car.
To the vast majority of the population - who are NOT computer geeks and
have no desire to become one - they are all just phones. Most people don?t >>> even know what an OS is.
But they *do* know the difference between 'an iPhone' and 'an Android
phone' and that's *exactly* what Carlos is talking about. That *he*
calls them by their OS doesn't change anything.
But they don't understand what that actually means, beyond "Apple" and "Not Apple". Again, no one but a geek knows what an OS is and does.
Not only that, but there is essentially no operational difference between
the two. Most people use their phones same way. You talk, text, play games, take pictures, listen to music, watch TV/movies/whatever, shop, get news/weather/airline/train schedules. Etc.
Just like there is no operational difference between a Toyota and a Honda. You drive both exactly the same way, using the same gas, oil and tires.
Most people are not gear heads either.
The relatively minor differences between "Apple" and "Not Apple" are the source of all of these absurd, endless debates here. You might as well
argue about steaks/seafood or baseball/football. Which is better?
Who cares? There is no correct answer to either question. If you like seafood, then that's it. End of discussion.
If you like Android, then that's it. End of discussion.
Except the discussions here never end. On and on and on and on about the most trivial matters. Over and over and over and over and over and over
and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
Bottom line, if you're doing engineering stuff, whether in college or in
your job, you want to have a Windows machine with a fast CPU and a
high-power graphics card.
'engineering stuff' can be a lot of things.
In a word, RCS is like SMS, but better. Except that it isn't. Not
every operator has enabled it yet. Not all phones support it. Not
every implementation is the same especially in terms of encryption
since that bit is optional. And even if you download Google Messages
and use the now-supposedly worldwide Chat features there, you're
still at the mercy of Google's servers which can go down or become
buggy any time. Which they have done rather frequently.
I just had this discussion with a non technical friend who uses the sodastream where I tried to explain to him that for half the price he could carbonate more water at higher pressures faster & cheaper with carbonating caps and a little technical knowledge on the solubility of CO2 in water.
To her, soda is soda and a sodastream allows her to turn her brain off and still end up with (slightly carbonated) flavored soda water in the kitchen.
On 6/7/2023 12:17 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
On 6/7/23 4:03 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
When I was about to buy my first computer around 1985, the chaps at the
student club of the uni told me to buy an IBM PC "clone", and don't even >>> think of an Apple thing: if you do, we can not help you at all with
software. We only have IBM PC software.
Yes, I was considering Apple things back then.
We had several PCs (original and clones plus a TRS-80) but were
considering adding a Lisa to the menagerie. Bought an NEC APC instead,
which was probably just as useless. Pretty screen, though. Took 8"
floppies at $6.00 each.
I bought TDK 8" floppies for about $20 for a box of 10.
Here's my Lobo Max 80 <http://www.trs-80.org/lobo-max-80/> which I
donated to the Computer History Association of California: <http://cpmarchives.classiccmp.org/trs80/mirrors/trs-80.com/2011/www.trs-80.com/images/computer-max80.gif>.
It could run CP/M or LDOS which let it run most TRS-80 Model III applications.
I had an enormous old Diablo Hytpe I daisy-wheel printer hooked to it.
On 6/7/23 4:03 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
When I was about to buy my first computer around 1985, the chaps at the
student club of the uni told me to buy an IBM PC "clone", and don't even
think of an Apple thing: if you do, we can not help you at all with
software. We only have IBM PC software.
Yes, I was considering Apple things back then.
We had several PCs (original and clones plus a TRS-80) but were
considering adding a Lisa to the menagerie. Bought an NEC APC instead, which was probably just as useless. Pretty screen, though. Took 8" floppies at $6.00 each.
In a word, RCS is like iOS messages, but better. Except that it isn't.
Not every phone manufacturer has enabled it so not all phones support it.
Not every implementation is the same ‹on all phones in terms of encryption since that bit is optional. And even if you download iOS Messages and use
it with Android via an account on a used purpose bought sacrificial mac, you're still at the mercy of Apple's servers which can go down or
which can become insecure any time. Which they have done rather frequently.
We had TWO 5MB hard drives, though!
About enough for one digital photo these days.
Back in 1985, Apple computer were pretty much just toys. If you wanted
to do much more than play games, you needed an IBM or a clone.
On 6/8/23 8:24 AM, sms wrote:
On 6/7/2023 12:17 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
On 6/7/23 4:03 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
When I was about to buy my first computer around 1985, the chaps at the >>>> student club of the uni told me to buy an IBM PC "clone", and don't
even
think of an Apple thing: if you do, we can not help you at all with
software. We only have IBM PC software.
Yes, I was considering Apple things back then.
We had several PCs (original and clones plus a TRS-80) but were
considering adding a Lisa to the menagerie. Bought an NEC APC
instead, which was probably just as useless. Pretty screen, though.
Took 8" floppies at $6.00 each.
We had TWO 5MB hard drives, though!
I bought TDK 8" floppies for about $20 for a box of 10.
Here's my Lobo Max 80 <http://www.trs-80.org/lobo-max-80/> which I
donated to the Computer History Association of California:
<http://cpmarchives.classiccmp.org/trs80/mirrors/trs-80.com/2011/www.trs-80.com/images/computer-max80.gif>.
It could run CP/M or LDOS which let it run most TRS-80 Model III
applications.
I had an enormous old Diablo Hytpe I daisy-wheel printer hooked to it.
Oooh, RICH bastard! We had a Centronics 101 until the smoke leaked out.
Distinctive sound. KLUNK zzzip KLUNK zzzip... I remember hearing it
in the background of a lot of TV shows.
Even in the
late 1980's there was a demand for more network cards for the Apple II because so many were in use.
There was also the CP/M card for the Apple II <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z-80_SoftCard> which let it run CP/M applications which greatly increased the usefulness,
just as the ability
to run Windows on x86 Macs greatly increased the usefulness of the Mac.
On 6/7/2023 9:00 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
<snip>
Back in 1985, Apple computer were pretty much just toys. If you wanted
to do much more than play games, you needed an IBM or a clone.
Apple computers were widely used by school districts. I worked for a
company that had made network cards for the original Apple II machines,
as well as for the Commodore Pet and Radio Shack TRS-80. Even in the
late 1980's there was a demand for more network cards for the Apple II because so many were in use.
There was also the CP/M card for the Apple II <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z-80_SoftCard> which let it run CP/M applications which greatly increased the usefulness, just as the ability
to run Windows on x86 Macs greatly increased the usefulness of the Mac.
In a word, RCS is like iOS messages, but better. Except that it isn't.
Not every phone manufacturer has enabled it so not all phones support it.
Not every implementation is the same ‹on all phones in terms of encryption >> since that bit is optional. And even if you download iOS Messages and use
it with Android via an account on a used purpose bought sacrificial mac,
you're still at the mercy of Apple's servers which can go down or
which can become insecure any time. Which they have done rather frequently.
All true. But being able to use iMessage from Android, and from Windows,
is an adequate workaround to dealing with those users that are concerned about Blue Bubbles.
The used Mac Mini was $100. It's in my wiring
closet, out of sight, out of mind. It reboots after any power outage
without the need for any password.
I wrote up the instructions for his a while back, it's in a Google Doc:
"Two Cents Plain--How to Carbonate Water and Not Go Broke" at <https://docs.google.com/document/d/12k1An0U55KP4kwc601yF3hbjACyM4WmHqN4SFOwNNYk/>.
I think that I'm at five years with my first $22, 20 pound, CO2 fill.
Probably it'll be $30 when I need to get the tank refilled.
I spent about $225 on the setup because I bought a new tank and a high end regulator.
But I would have spent a lot more on those tiny Soda Stream cartridges.
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