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    From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri May 26 18:07:12 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On Fri, 26 May 2023 19:02:03 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    almost every item in your list has been questioned and shown to be
    wrong, yet you refuse to make any changes.

    Why can't you ever pick one item and say what's wrong with that one item?

    i have, on many occasions, as have other people.

    And don't say you did that because you never do that.

    wrong. i always do that whenever he posts his bullshit.

    You always complain
    that the entire document (all fifty or whatever pages of it) are wrong.

    just about all of it is easily shown to be wrong, or at best, highly misleading.

    Then point to any one item (like 222i or 222a) for either the iPhone or for Android that you think is wrong & I'll check it out to see if you're right.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to sms on Tue May 30 16:55:11 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 5/30/2023 2:02 PM, sms wrote:

    <snip>

    I'll add more data over time. I could also do the same tests using
    remaining battery power percentage.

    I added tests for Firefox and Opera.

    <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JYAlRUquCeEOUj8iKVZXvLi5Hf1p8tDKtOHVj_b8VKk/>

    From least power consumption to most power consumption:
    Safari
    Opera
    Chrome
    Firefox

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to sms on Tue May 30 19:05:20 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 5/30/2023 4:55 PM, sms wrote:
    On 5/30/2023 2:02 PM, sms wrote:

    <snip>

    I'll add more data over time. I could also do the same tests using
    remaining battery power percentage.

    I added tests for Firefox and Opera.

    <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JYAlRUquCeEOUj8iKVZXvLi5Hf1p8tDKtOHVj_b8VKk/>

    From least power consumption to most power consumption:
       Safari
       Opera
       Chrome
       Firefox

    I did the same suite of tests on my Pixel 7 Pro (minus Safari of course).

    <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JYAlRUquCeEOUj8iKVZXvLi5Hf1p8tDKtOHVj_b8VKk/>

    Chrome used the least power by a significant margin, followed by Opera,
    and then Firefox. Opera and Firefox were very close.

    I'll try borrowing an iPhone 13 Pro to see what results I get with that.

    --
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    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 30 19:25:04 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    I created a new thread on this since.

    I've been doing power consumption tests on my iPhone 11 and my Pixel 7
    Pro to see the difference in power consumption using different browsers displaying the same content.

    The spreadsheet is here: <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JYAlRUquCeEOUj8iKVZXvLi5Hf1p8tDKtOHVj_b8VKk/>

    Each phone was charged to 100% then the same content was run on each
    browser. I measured the energy consumption using a USB-C voltage/current/watt/watt-hour meter. Prior to running the content on
    the browser I did a baseline test to see what the power consumption was
    with no apps open and the screen at 100% brightness with a full screen
    of icons. Then I opened a browser and ran the content.

    In a nutshell:

    For iOS, Safari used significantly less energy than Chrome or Firefox,
    and moderately less energy than Opera.

    For Android, Chrome used significantly less energy than Firefox or Opera.

    This was not to compare Android versus iPhone power consumption since
    clearly these are two devices that are very different in terms of
    processor and display.

    I may also do the test a different way, running each browser for x
    number of minutes to see how much battery is used up. This will be a
    good sanity check on the power-meter test results.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Wed May 31 06:55:32 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <u56b61$29h0d$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    Each phone was charged to 100% then the same content was run on each
    browser. I measured the energy consumption using a USB-C voltage/current/watt/watt-hour meter.

    your claimed methodology *can't* measure energy consumption for
    specific apps.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to JAB on Thu Jun 1 18:10:42 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 5/31/2023 2:29 PM, JAB wrote:
    On Wed, 31 May 2023 06:38:37 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    What are you talking about? Which setting in which app?

    The example provided by sms was boarding passes. They are perfectly suited >> to the wallet.

    The capability isn't just about boarding passes.
    It's about accessing anything you want to access, in a single click.

    <snip>

    What I do is to add as many of the cards I used to carry around into the
    wallet on my iPhone and my Android phone.

    One annoyance on the iPhone is the difficulty of adding non-supported
    cards to the Apple Wallet. The app "Pass2U" <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/pass2u-wallet-cards-coupons/id1142473931>,
    which can be used to add cards to the Apple Wallet supports very few
    bar code formats, though more formats than Apple Wallet supports. The
    Pass2U logo is on all the cards unless you purchase the Pro version
    which is only $1.99, so no big deal.

    The Android app " Pass2Pay" <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=color.dev.com.tangerine> supports a lot more bar code formats.

    Not sure what the reason is that iOS supports so few bar code formats
    and why Pass2U only adds a few more. For that matter, I don't understand
    why Android doesn't just support all the bar codes, it's not rocket
    science. The Codabar format is widely used and is not available on iOS.
    However it's possible to generate an image of a Codabar code and add it
    that way.

    Apple Wallet Bar Codes
    Aztec
    Code 128
    PDF417
    QR
    Pass2U Additional Bar Codes for Apple Wallet
    Code 39
    Code 93
    Mod 43
    EAN 8
    EAN 13
    UPC E

    Google Wallet Bar Codes
    Aztec
    Code 39
    Code 128,
    EAN-13,
    PDF 417
    QR
    UPC-A

    Pass2Pay Additional Bar Codes for Google Wallet
    Codabar
    Data Matrix
    EAN 8
    ITF 14
    UPC E


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  • From RonTheGuy@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 1 17:28:03 2023
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    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cardsapp.android

    Ron, the humblest guy in town.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Thu Jun 1 21:34:20 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <u5bfik$2uf6h$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    One annoyance on the iPhone is the difficulty of adding non-supported
    cards to the Apple Wallet.

    that's what non-supported means, something which applies to android too.

    you can't have it both ways.


    Not sure what the reason is that iOS supports so few bar code formats

    cards can be added directly, without needing to use barcodes.

    maybe one day you'll learn how to actually use ios devices before
    pretending to be an 'expert'.

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  • From Auric__@21:1/5 to sms on Fri Jun 2 01:39:36 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    sms wrote:

    What I do is to add as many of the cards I used to carry around into the wallet on my iPhone and my Android phone.

    One annoyance on the iPhone is the difficulty of adding non-supported
    cards to the Apple Wallet.

    For the topic of barcodes, this barcode scanner supports a lot of formats. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.manateeworks.barcodescanners

    This barcode scanner will output the identity of an unknown barcode format. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.srowen.bs.android

    This will faithfully generate a barcode of many standard formats for you. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blogspot.aeioulabs.barcode
    --
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  • From sms@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 3 18:44:01 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 6/1/2023 6:39 PM, Auric__ wrote:
    sms wrote:

    What I do is to add as many of the cards I used to carry around into the
    wallet on my iPhone and my Android phone.

    One annoyance on the iPhone is the difficulty of adding non-supported
    cards to the Apple Wallet.

    For the topic of barcodes, this barcode scanner supports a lot of formats. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.manateeworks.barcodescanners

    This barcode scanner will output the identity of an unknown barcode format. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.srowen.bs.android

    This will faithfully generate a barcode of many standard formats for you. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blogspot.aeioulabs.barcode

    Yes, I've used apps to identify a bar code format then generate bar
    codes that I can use to create cards for the Apple wallet.

    What would be nice is if this capability were just part of the operating
    system and adding a card was as easy as pointing the camera at the card
    and the bar code and other information on the card would be filled in.

    It would benefit Apple if more iPhone users could be encouraged to use
    Apple Wallet since it would increase the use of Apple Pay for payments,
    which has lagged, especially in the U.S..

    In 2023, it's estimated that 17.3% of the U.S. population uses Apple
    Pay. In the U.S. it's estimated that there are 135.97 million iPhones in
    use (out of 276.14 million smart phones in use). So 23.52% of iPhone
    users use Apple Pay.

    When I see people at the store sliding their credit card into the
    payment device I want to scream at them "just tap!" Tap and pay is
    faster than using the chip reader, about the same time as Apple Pay or
    Google Pay. Also, my main credit card gives 3% back for all mobile
    wallet purchases, while many credit cards give only 2% back for chip or
    tap and pay, so that's a big incentive for me to use Apple Pay, 50% more
    cash back. One store I go to fairly often dropped Apple Pay (and Googlke
    Pay) and I asked why and they said that customers were getting
    double-charged, which I find hard to believe.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Sat Jun 3 22:21:22 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <u5gq8o$3quhj$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    Yes, I've used apps to identify a bar code format then generate bar
    codes that I can use to create cards for the Apple wallet.

    you sure like doing things the hard way, assuming you're even doing it.

    What would be nice is if this capability were just part of the operating system and adding a card was as easy as pointing the camera at the card
    and the bar code and other information on the card would be filled in.

    it's even easier to simply tap a button in the relevant app or website.

    It would benefit Apple if more iPhone users could be encouraged to use
    Apple Wallet since it would increase the use of Apple Pay for payments,
    which has lagged, especially in the U.S..

    apple pay has not lagged by any objective metric. it has even surpassed mastercard in total transactions. perhaps you have heard of them.
    google is in *fifth* place.

    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/09/07/apple-pay-processes-6-trilli on-annually-edges-out-mastercard>
    New research claims that Apple Pay has surpassed Mastercard in
    the dollar value of transactions annually, with its $6 trillion total
    meaning it's over halfway to equaling Visa.

    Now, according to comparison site TradingPlatforms, Apple Pay is the
    second most popular digital payment system, beaten only by Visa. The
    top-ranking Visa processes approximately $10 trillion worth of
    transactions per year, with Apple Pay on over $6 trillion.

    It means that for the first time, Apple Pay has a whole including
    Apple Card has overtaken Mastercard, which processes approximately
    $4.8 trillion worth of transactions. Apple Pay has also beaten
    Alipay, which reportedly processes exactly $6 trillion worth of
    transactions.

    Google's G Play is said to be in fifth place, with around $2.5
    trillion worth of transactions.


    <https://techjury.net/blog/apple-pay-statistics/>
    - 4.6% of U.S. consumers used Apple Pay on Black Friday, 2014.
    - There are 10 million Apple Pay-friendly contactless payment
    terminals worldwide.
    - 40,000 Coca-Cola vending machines accept Apple Pay.
    - Apple Pay's user base increased from 521.4 million to 535.8 million
    in 2022.
    - 27% of respondents in the U.S. and UK complete online payments
    using Apple Pay.
    - Around 51% of global iPhone users have enabled Apple Pay.
    - 73.1% of Gen Z mobile wallet users utilized Apple Pay to complete
    an in-store purchase during one week.
    - 14% of Americans preferred Apple Pay as their payment method.
    - 200,693 U.S. websites accept Apple Pay.
    ...
    According to Apples Q2 last 2021, they saw a record of transactions
    with more than 1.8 billion processed during the quarter, up 40%
    year-over-year. This payment method is also available in over 90% of
    the US and 60% of stores globally.


    Also, my main credit card gives 3% back for all mobile
    wallet purchases, while many credit cards give only 2% back for chip or
    tap and pay, so that's a big incentive for me to use Apple Pay, 50% more
    cash back.

    that card has a $400 annual fee.

    One store I go to fairly often dropped Apple Pay (and Googlke
    Pay) and I asked why and they said that customers were getting double-charged, which I find hard to believe.

    not surprisingly, everyone reading yet another one of your 'stories'
    also finds it hard to believe.

    apple pay and google pay use industry standard emv, thus it would be
    impossible for *only* those methods to be affected. not only that, but
    card issuers look for identical transactions within a short time frame,
    such as when someone clicks the 'buy' button and if the website is slow
    to respond, clicks it again, or the merchant runs the card. it doesn't
    seem to have gone through (but it actually did), then runs it again.

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  • From Auric__@21:1/5 to sms on Mon Jun 5 16:47:16 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    sms wrote:

    Yes, I've used apps to identify a bar code format then generate bar
    codes that I can use to create cards for the Apple wallet.

    You normally need one of each in that some generate barcodes, some identify
    the barcode format, and most just read & process barcodes & QC codes too.

    I don't know of any one free scanner/generator app without ads that does
    all of those scanning, identifying and generating tasks in the same app.

    But this is a good standalone QC code scanner if you need one. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.scanteam.qrcodereader
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