nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <u498g4$r8pt$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
What is the purpose of MAC address randomization? To spoof a piece of
hardware?
mac addresses can be used to track people.
if a device provides a random one each time, then it eliminates that as
a viable method.
I highly doubt the vast majority of iPhone users know or use such a
function. In other words “it’s not needed” and “not used” yet Apple has
decided to include that in their devices. If they do research on what
people want and need how did they come up with this feature when there are
so many others they’ve removed which people actually want?
I highly doubt the vast majority of iPhone users know or use such a
function. In other words "it's not needed" and "not used" yet Apple has
decided to include that in their devices. If they do research on what
people want and need how did they come up with this feature when there are >> so many others they've removed which people actually want?
You don't have to do anything. it's automatic unless you disable it, on
both Android an iOS.
"In iOS 14 [released on September 16, 2020] or later, and iPadOS 14 or
later, and watchOS 7 or later, when an iPhone, iPad, iPod touch, or
Apple Watch connects to a Wi-Fi network, it identifies itself with a
unique (random) MAC address per network. This feature can be disabled
either by the user or using a new option in the Wi-Fi payload." <https://support.apple.com/guide/security/wi-fi-privacy-secb9cb3140c/web>
That first article also explains the changes that were made since
Android 8 and iOS 8: "For many years now, most operating systems (iOS
8+, Android 8+, Windows 10, etc.) have implemented some form of MAC randomization. However, most of these operating systems only use a
randomized MAC address when scanning for access points and SSIDs (known
as probe requests), but still have used a consistent, genuine MAC
address when actually connecting to networks. This has successfully
mitigated some forms of tracking (footfall tracking in retail stores for example), but more advanced tracking methods have surfaced since these changes were introduced. In late 2019, Google released Android 10 which
made MAC randomization the default behavior when both scanning for
wireless networks and connecting to them. This was a major change that
was intended to prevent tracking across networks.
Not sure where are favorite troll got the idea that iOS 14 had this
feature prior to Android 10, or he's simply lying (again).
"In iOS 14 [released on September 16, 2020] or later, and iPadOS 14 or
later, and watchOS 7 or later, when an iPhone, iPad, iPod touch, or
Apple Watch connects to a Wi-Fi network, it identifies itself with a
unique (random) MAC address per network. This feature can be disabled
either by the user or using a new option in the Wi-Fi payload." <https://support.apple.com/guide/security/wi-fi-privacy-secb9cb3140c/web>
Not sure where are favorite troll got the idea that iOS 14 had this
feature prior to Android 10, or he's simply lying (again).
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/14/06/09/mac-address-randomization-jo ins-apples-heap-of-ios-8-privacy-improvements>
Beginning with iOS 8, Apple's handheld devices will generate and use
random Media Acccess Control, or MAC, addresses rather than their
real MAC address *when scanning* for Wi-Fi access points. The change
was announced in a closed session at the company's Worldwide
Developers Conference and first called out by security researcher
Frederic Jacobs.
On 20/05/2023 19:59, nospam wrote:
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/14/06/09/mac-address-randomization-jo
ins-apples-heap-of-ios-8-privacy-improvements>
Beginning with iOS 8, Apple's handheld devices will generate and use
random Media Acccess Control, or MAC, addresses rather than their
real MAC address *when scanning* for Wi-Fi access points. The change
was announced in a closed session at the company's Worldwide
Developers Conference and first called out by security researcher
Frederic Jacobs.
What that says is not what you seem to be thinking that says if your goal
is to say that iOS mac randomization was earlier than its Android partner.
What that says is iOS 8 added mac randomization *when scanning*.
Maybe you didn't know that scanning & connecting are two different things?
When did iOS add the mac randomization *when connecting*?
And, did iOS ever add the better mac randomization upon *each connection*?
On 20/05/2023 23:41, Alan wrote:
When did iOS add the mac randomization *when connecting*?
And, did iOS ever add the better mac randomization upon *each
connection*?
Stop changing nyms, Arlen
Who the fuck is Arlen and who the fuck are you?
Damn iOS whiny crybabies hate that iOS copied Android mac randomization and Apple still hasn't caught up yet because iOS can't randomize connections.
plonk!
When did iOS add the mac randomization *when connecting*?
And, did iOS ever add the better mac randomization upon *each connection*?
Stop changing nyms, Arlen
When did iOS add the mac randomization *when connecting*?
And, did iOS ever add the better mac randomization upon *each connection*?
Stop changing nyms, Arlen
Who the fuck is Arlen and who the fuck are you?
Damn iOS whiny crybabies hate that iOS copied Android mac randomization and Apple still hasn't caught up yet because iOS can't randomize connections.
plonk!
When did iOS add the mac randomization *when connecting*?
you're not fooling anyone.
On 20/05/2023 23:41, Alan wrote:
When did iOS add the mac randomization *when connecting*? And, did
iOS ever add the better mac randomization upon *each connection*?
Stop changing nyms, Arlen
Who the fuck is Arlen and who the fuck are you?
That first article also explains the changes that were made since
Android 8 and iOS 8: "For many years now, most operating systems (iOS
8+, Android 8+, Windows 10, etc.) have implemented some form of MAC randomization.
Not sure where are favorite troll got the idea that iOS 14 had this
feature prior to Android 10, or he's simply lying (again).
On 20/05/2023 20:25, nospam wrote:
you're not fooling anyone.
Who the fuck are you?
I'm not even going to respond to the rest of these iOS crybabies.
Fup set to the android newsgroup only.
In article <u4b2dh$1ftj$1@news.mixmin.net>, Umberto
<canaliumberto@impresatrecolli.com> wrote:
When did iOS add the mac randomization *when connecting*?
2018, a year *before* android.
<https://blog.elevensoftware.com/hs-fs/hubfs/images/blog/mac-randomization-timeline.png>
that graphic is from sms's link.
it's always helpful when people provide links that refute what they
are arguing about. it saves others a lot of time.
On 2023-05-20, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
That first article also explains the changes that were made since
Android 8 and iOS 8: "For many years now, most operating systems (iOS
8+, Android 8+, Windows 10, etc.) have implemented some form of MAC randomization.
Not sure where are favorite troll got the idea that iOS 14 had this
feature prior to Android 10, or he's simply lying (again).
Anyone with a web browser and a couple brain cells to rub together can
look on Wikipedia to see that in fact nospam is correct:
* iOS 8 was released on September 16, 2015.
* Android 8 was released on August 21, 2017, *two* *years* later.
You're the troll spreading disinformation here. ; )
Yes, that's what nospam doesn't understand. But to be fair, this is a
very technical issue that you can't expect those unfamiliar with network technology to comprehend.
On 20/05/2023 19:59, nospam wrote:
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/14/06/09/mac-address-randomization-jo
ins-apples-heap-of-ios-8-privacy-improvements>
Beginning with iOS 8, Apple's handheld devices will generate and use
random Media Acccess Control, or MAC, addresses rather than their
real MAC address *when scanning* for Wi-Fi access points. The change
was announced in a closed session at the company's Worldwide
Developers Conference and first called out by security researcher
Frederic Jacobs.
What that says is not what you seem to be thinking that says if your goal
is to say that iOS mac randomization was earlier than its Android partner.
What that says is iOS 8 added mac randomization *when scanning*.
Maybe you didn't know that scanning & connecting are two different things?
In article <u4b2dh$1ftj$1@news.mixmin.net>, Umberto <canaliumberto@impresatrecolli.com> wrote:
When did iOS add the mac randomization *when connecting*?
2018, a year *before* android.
<https://blog.elevensoftware.com/hs-fs/hubfs/images/blog/mac-randomizati on-timeline.png>
that graphic is from sms's link.
it's always helpful when people provide links that refute what they are arguing about. it saves others a lot of time.
The point is, iOS was first for some things. Android was first for some things.
What exactly are we arguing about? Isnt this what competition
is all about? We all get better products. Right?
In article <kcsj8lFbhvvU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-20, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
That first article also explains the changes that were made since
Android 8 and iOS 8: "For many years now, most operating systems
(iOS 8+, Android 8+, Windows 10, etc.) have implemented some form
of MAC randomization.
Not sure where are favorite troll got the idea that iOS 14 had this
feature prior to Android 10, or he's simply lying (again).
Anyone with a web browser and a couple brain cells to rub together
can look on Wikipedia to see that in fact nospam is correct:
* iOS 8 was released on September 16, 2015.
that's ios 9.
ios 8 was released on sep 14, 2014, with developer previews starting
in june, 2014.
* Android 8 was released on August 21, 2017, *two* *years* later.
three years.
it's actually worse :)
On 2023-05-20, Umberto <canaliumberto@impresatrecolli.com> wrote:
On 20/05/2023 20:25, nospam wrote:
you're not fooling anyone.
Who the fuck are you?
*YAWN* Get back on your meds, Arlen.
I'm not even going to respond to the rest of these iOS crybabies.
Yes you will. And you'll nym switch and impersonate others while doing
it. That's been your modus operandi for years.
Fup set to the android newsgroup only.
Don't cross post to the iOS newsgroups in the first place if you don't
like being corrected by iOS users, asshole.
On 5/20/2023 5:29 AM, badgolferman wrote:
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <u498g4$r8pt$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
What is the purpose of MAC address randomization? To spoof a piece of
hardware?
mac addresses can be used to track people.
if a device provides a random one each time, then it eliminates that as
a viable method.
I highly doubt the vast majority of iPhone users know or use such a
function. In other words “it’s not needed” and “not used” yet Apple has
decided to include that in their devices. If they do research on what
people want and need how did they come up with this feature when there
are
so many others they’ve removed which people actually want?
You don't have to do anything. it's automatic unless you disable it, on
both Android an iOS.
"In late 2019, Google released Android 10 which made MAC randomization
the default behavior when both scanning for wireless networks and
connecting to them. This was a major change that was intended to prevent tracking across networks." <https://blog.elevensoftware.com/how-mac-address-randomization-can-affect-the-wifi-experience>
Anyone with a web browser and a couple brain cells to rub together can
look on Wikipedia to see that in fact nospam is correct:
Am I missing something here? The link above says that in:
2014, iOS 8 adds MAC randomization when scanning.
2017, Android 8 adds MAC randomization when scanning.
2018, Android 9 adds full MAC randomization when connecting as a default disabled setting.
2019, Android 10 adds full MAC randomization when connecting as a default enabled setting. However, the randomized MAC stays consistent per SSID.
2020, iOS 14 adds full MAC randomization when connecting as a default
enabled setting, in addition to rotating the randomized MAC address every
24 hours.
So, iOS had MAC randomization when scanning 3 years before Android. But, Android had MAC randomization when connecting 1 year (or 2 years if we
count the default disabled setting) before iOS. Assuming this info is current, iOS has better MAC randomization right now, due to the "rotating
the randomized MAC address every 24 hours. "
I don't see any entry for iOS doing anything in 2018.
The point is, iOS was first for some things. Android was first for some things. What exactly are we arguing about? Isn't this what competition
is all about? We all get better products. Right?
Notice that MAC randomization will make connections not to work at some
places. Those that look at the MAC before authorizing you to connect.
So, it is not always a good feature.
This is why the Android 11 MAC randomization per connection (Android) or
MAC randomization per day (iOS) is a feature you can turn on & off at will.
If you turn randomization on prior to connecting to a hotspot, they can
save your MAC address on that first connect. If you come back a couple of hours later you will be a different MAC on Android but the same MAC on iOS.
You'll only get a different MAC address on iOS 24 hours later.
For some things (like hotel authentication by MAC address) you may want to turn off the Android per-connection randomization and the iOS per-day randomization so that you keep the same MAC address the whole hotel stay.
Notice that MAC randomization will make connections not to work at some places. Those that look at the MAC before authorizing you to connect.
So, it is not always a good feature.
On Sun, 21 May 2023 12:16:18 +0800, Patron Saint wrote:
Notice that MAC randomization will make connections not to work at some
places. Those that look at the MAC before authorizing you to connect.
So, it is not always a good feature.
This is why the Android 11 MAC randomization per connection (Android) or
MAC randomization per day (iOS) is a feature you can turn on & off at will. >>
If you turn randomization on prior to connecting to a hotspot, they can
save your MAC address on that first connect. If you come back a couple of
hours later you will be a different MAC on Android but the same MAC on iOS. >>
You'll only get a different MAC address on iOS 24 hours later.
For some things (like hotel authentication by MAC address) you may want to >> turn off the Android per-connection randomization and the iOS per-day
randomization so that you keep the same MAC address the whole hotel stay.
Mac randomization can also affect home routers when using address
reservation (some people refer to it as a static ip address) for the phone.
Carlos E.R. wrote on 21.05.2023 09:57
Notice that MAC randomization will make connections not to work at
some places. Those that look at the MAC before authorizing you to
connect.
So, it is not always a good feature.
This is why the Android 11 MAC randomization per connection (Android) or
MAC randomization per day (iOS) is a feature you can turn on & off at will. If you turn randomization on prior to connecting to a hotspot, they can
save your MAC address on that first connect. If you come back a couple of hours later you will be a different MAC on Android but the same MAC on iOS.
You'll only get a different MAC address on iOS 24 hours later.
For some things (like hotel authentication by MAC address) you may want to turn off the Android per-connection randomization and the iOS per-day randomization so that you keep the same MAC address the whole hotel stay.
Notice that MAC randomization will make connections not to work at some places. Those that look at the MAC before authorizing you to connect.
So, it is not always a good feature.
I don't even remember posting what nospam claims I said about
randomization and the timeline.
Why he brought up the issue is a
mystery, especially since Android was actually first with MAC
randomization when connecting.
As an aside, with TMAC you can spoof the MAC address on Windows
machines. This can be useful at times.
I think there is only one person "arguing" about which came first.
Nobody else seems to care if one came before the other. It's not a race.
I don't even remember posting what nospam claims I said about
randomization and the timeline. Why he brought up the issue is a
mystery, especially since Android was actually first with MAC
randomization when connecting.
As an aside, with TMAC you can spoof the MAC address on Windows
machines.
This can be useful at times.
In article <u4dd5r$1km0a$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
I don't even remember posting what nospam claims I said about
randomization and the timeline.
the fact is, as supported by your own links, that apple was first in
2014.
you also have yet to admit you were wrong about everything else for
which you've been proven wrong, including everyone's favourite, face
id in the dark.
You'll only get a different MAC address on iOS 24 hours later.
Meaning, at some friends of mine, you will be unable to connect. They
expect you to have the same MAC for years.
On 2023-05-21, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
I don't even remember posting what nospam claims I said about
randomization and the timeline. Why he brought up the issue is a
mystery, especially since Android was actually first with MAC
randomization when connecting.
But really, who cares who was first as long as the phone uses an
easily turned on intelligent algorithm.
Mac randomization can also affect home routers when using address
reservation (some people refer to it as a static ip address) for the phone.
Indeed. I use this feature.
But really, who cares who was first as long as the phone uses an
easily turned on intelligent algorithm.
sms cares - he's the one who first mentioned (incorrectly) that Android
was supposedly first, as part of his low-effort troll. ; )
Since I can't use address reservation on the router with a constantly changing Mac address, one option is to not turn on the randomization per connection - which means the first randomization per SSID is what it uses.
In this manner it seems the Android randomization is more sophisticated.
On May 21, 2023, Jolly Roger wrote
(in article<news:kcvkrvFpupsU2@mid.individual.net>):
But really, who cares who was first as long as the phone uses an
easily turned on intelligent algorithm.
sms cares - he's the one who first mentioned (incorrectly) that
Android was supposedly first, as part of his low-effort troll. ; )
It was nospam
Ron, the most dishonest guy in town.
On 2023-05-21, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <u4dd5r$1km0a$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
I don't even remember posting what nospam claims I said about
randomization and the timeline.
the fact is, as supported by your own links, that apple was first in
2014.
you also have yet to admit you were wrong about everything else for
which you've been proven wrong, including everyone's favourite, face
id in the dark.
And note the deafening silence on this topic from badgolferman as well, despite so often objecting to anyone noticing they are all in the same
clique as Arlen. ; )
In article <u4e77m$221c$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>, Michael <michael@spamcop.com> wrote:
Since I can't use address reservation on the router with a constantly
changing Mac address, one option is to not turn on the randomization per
connection - which means the first randomization per SSID is what it uses.
use the native mac address.
In this manner it seems the Android randomization is more sophisticated.
it seems you know nothing about networking.
Carlos E.R. wrote on 21.05.2023 05:08
You'll only get a different MAC address on iOS 24 hours later.
Meaning, at some friends of mine, you will be unable to connect. They
expect you to have the same MAC for years.
If you turn off all MAC randomization, you will have the same MAC for
years, but then you can be more easily tracked when scanning & connecting.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-21, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <u4dd5r$1km0a$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
I don't even remember posting what nospam claims I said about
randomization and the timeline.
the fact is, as supported by your own links, that apple was first in
2014.
you also have yet to admit you were wrong about everything else for
which you've been proven wrong, including everyone's favourite, face
id in the dark.
And note the deafening silence on this topic from badgolferman as
well, despite so often objecting to anyone noticing they are all in
the same clique as Arlen. ; )
Stop trying to involve me in a topic I don’t care about.
Meaning, at some friends of mine, you will be unable to connect. They
expect you to have the same MAC for years.
If you turn off all MAC randomization, you will have the same MAC for
years, but then you can be more easily tracked when scanning & connecting.
I only connect at home.
And distant webservers do not get to see the MAC, it is not routed.
It was nospam who cared but he was wrong because it's obvious he wasn't
aware there is a difference between scanning vs connecting mac addresses.
I don't think their 24-hour method has any merit though in the real world. What use do you see for the 24-hour method over a new MAC on each connect?
It's possible that Google has a patent on the feature
that generates a
new MAC address on each connect. There's no logical reason for the "24
hour method."
On Mon, 22 May 2023 11:45:44 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote on 22.05.2023 15:15>>>> You'll only get a different MAC address on iOS 24 hours later.
Meaning, at some friends of mine, you will be unable to connect.
They expect you to have the same MAC for years.
If you turn off all MAC randomization, you will have the same MAC for
years, but then you can be more easily tracked when scanning &
connecting.
I only connect at home.
Are you aware that you're still _scanning_ even when you're away from home. And some phones still scan even when the Wi-Fi looks like it's turned off?
If you take your phone outside your home, you need to consider this issue.
And distant webservers do not get to see the MAC, it is not routed.
Nobody is talking about "distant webservers" in this random mac scenario.
It is the phone itself which is scanning/connecting to a local Wi-Fi AP.
The issue is when you walk near or into a location that is saving your mac address (such as at a store, or a hotspot, or at the Capitol or whatever).
It's possible that Google has a patent on the feature that generates a
new MAC address on each connect.
On 5/21/2023 4:04 PM, Patron Saint wrote:
<snip>
I don't think their 24-hour method has any merit though in the real
world.
What use do you see for the 24-hour method over a new MAC on each
connect?
It's possible that Google has a patent on the feature that generates a
new MAC address on each connect. There's no logical reason for the "24
hour method."
On 22/05/2023 17:06, sms wrote:
It's possible that Google has a patent on the feature that generates a
new MAC address on each connect.
I don't see how possibly they could have, MAC spoofing has been around
since forever, and ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_spoofing
"MAC Address Randomization in WiFi
To prevent third parties from using MAC addresses to track devices,
Android, Linux, iOS, and Windows[6] have implemented MAC address randomization. In June 2014, Apple announced that future versions of iOS would randomize MAC addresses for all WiFi connections. The Linux kernel
has supported MAC address randomization during network scans since March 2015,[7] but drivers need to be updated to use this feature.[8] Windows
has supported it since the release of Windows 10[6] in July 2015."
... so everyone's doing it, which suggests that it's not been patented.
Who knows what patents get through the USPO?
On 22/05/2023 17:06, sms wrote:
It's possible that Google has a patent on the feature that generates a
new MAC address on each connect.
I don't see how possibly they could have, MAC spoofing has been around
since forever, and ...
... so everyone's doing it, which suggests that it's not been patented.
And you really think that people are collecting MACs in their public
routers, if they are not connecting to them?
Over here, that is possibly illegal, so I do not have to care.
Who knows what patents get through the USPO?
Remember, what Android did
is significantly different than what Apple did with iOS in 2014.
On 22/05/2023 18:05, sms wrote:
Who knows what patents get through the USPO?
Conspiracy defence, but just because I can't disprove it doesn't mean
that I don't know that it's bollocks.
On 22/05/2023 18:05, sms wrote:
Who knows what patents get through the USPO?
Conspiracy defence, but just because I can't disprove it doesn't mean
that I don't know that it's bollocks.
Not at all. If you look at many of the patents that mobile device
companies have been granted they include "...on a mobile device..."
where the feature in question had long been available on other devices.
Data protection laws, GDPR and all that.
In article <3mjsjjx6kj.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
And you really think that people are collecting MACs in their public
routers, if they are not connecting to them?
some people definitely do that to track visitors, which is the reason
why randomization is a thing.
Over here, that is possibly illegal, so I do not have to care.
how could it possibly be illegal?
you're transmitting that information into their equipment located on
their property.
if they were actively snooping, that would be different. they're not.
And you really think that people are collecting MACs in their public
routers, if they are not connecting to them?
some people definitely do that to track visitors, which is the reason
why randomization is a thing.
Over here, that is possibly illegal, so I do not have to care.
how could it possibly be illegal?
Data protection laws, GDPR and all that.
you're transmitting that information into their equipment located on
their property.
if they were actively snooping, that would be different. they're not.
Doesn't matter.
Data protection laws, GDPR and all that.
You are correct. "The MAC address is considered personal data in the
GDPR, and, since it is not anonymized immediately after the collection,
it is subject to the GDPR rules."
Who knows what patents get through the USPO?
On 5/21/2023 4:04 PM, Patron Saint wrote:
<snip>
I don't think their 24-hour method has any merit though in the real
world. What use do you see for the 24-hour method over a new MAC on
each connect?
It's possible that Google has a patent
On 5/21/2023 4:17 PM, RonTheGuy wrote:
<snip>
It was nospam who cared but he was wrong because it's obvious he
wasn't aware there is a difference between scanning vs connecting mac
addresses.
Correct.
Not at all. If you look at many of the patents that mobile device
companies have been granted they include "...on a mobile device..."
where the feature in question had long been available on other devices.
You'll only get a different MAC address on iOS 24 hours later.
Meaning, at some friends of mine, you will be unable to connect. They
expect you to have the same MAC for years.
If you turn off all MAC randomization, you will have the same MAC for
years, but then you can be more easily tracked when scanning & connecting.
I only connect at home.
And distant webservers do not get to see the MAC, it is not routed.
On 2023-05-22, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
It's possible that Google has a patent
"It must be patented or something" is sms's go-to reason for just about everything... ?
So reading more about this issue, it's not clear about the "24 hour randomization." It was a beta feature and what it apparently did was to randomize the MAC address every 24 hours when a device remain connected
(or reconnected) to a Wi-Fi network.
It appears that if you disconnected than reconnected to the same Wi-Fi network within the same 24 hour period then a new MAC address was not generated. See <https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-manage-or-disable-mac-randomization-in-ios-and-ipados-14/>.
It's possible that Google has a patent on the feature
no, and that excuse is getting quite old. you use it for just about everything.
the patent office has a search function. put up or shut up.
that generates a
new MAC address on each connect. There's no logical reason for the "24
hour method."
yes there is.
On Mon, 22 May 2023 11:45:44 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
You'll only get a different MAC address on iOS 24 hours later.
Meaning, at some friends of mine, you will be unable to connect.
They expect you to have the same MAC for years.
If you turn off all MAC randomization, you will have the same MAC for
years, but then you can be more easily tracked when scanning &
connecting.
I only connect at home.
And distant webservers do not get to see the MAC, it is not routed.
Are you sure distant servers do not see & save the MAC of your phone? https://www.samsung.com/us/account/privacy-policy/
For a while even Apple was very confused as to what method they'd use.
the patent office has a search function. put up or shut up.
The only logical reason I can see for a specific time period is that sometimes you can pay for a Wi-Fi connection for a specific time period.
And distant webservers do not get to see the MAC, it is not routed.
Are you sure distant servers do not see & save the MAC of your phone? https://www.samsung.com/us/account/privacy-policy/
I'm certain that routers do not pass the MAC.
If servers see it, it is
not from the packets metadata, has to be some other way. Web scripting perhaps
For a while even Apple was very confused as to what method they'd use.
baseless claim.
they were not confused in the least.
the patent office has a search function. put up or shut up.
The only logical reason I can see for a specific time period is that
sometimes you can pay for a Wi-Fi connection for a specific time period.
that's one reason, and a very obvious one.
You are all excuses. No information.
Besides Apple adding it & then removing it over & over, Apple's 24-hour implementation is just plain stupid - but it's still better than nothing.
On 2023-05-22, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
On 5/21/2023 4:17 PM, RonTheGuy wrote:
<snip>
It was nospam who cared but he was wrong because it's obvious he
wasn't aware there is a difference between scanning vs connecting mac
addresses.
Correct.
Nope, you are the one who first claimed Android did it first and that
Apple copied Android.
Nope, you are the one who first claimed Android did it first and that
Apple copied Android.
https://source.android.com/docs/core/connect/wifi-mac-randomization
"Starting in Android 8.0, Android devices use randomized MAC addresses when probing for new networks while not currently associated with a network."
That sure looks like it says nospam, Jolly Roger & Bob Campbell were wrong.
Android 8.0 Oreo was released publicly on Aug. 21, 2017
iOS 14 was officially released on September 16, 2020
Bob Campbell corrected me.
Bob Campbell corrected me.
everyone does.
On May 23, 2023, nospam wrote
(in article<news:230520230844473402%nospam@nospam.invalid>):
Bob Campbell corrected me.
everyone does.
You were right iOS had (by three years) probing/scanning using
randomized mac addresses but it was obvious you didn't have any idea
that Android not only caught up
Ron, the humblest guy in town.
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