• Re: Facebook App Installer, Facebook App Manager, Facebook App Services

    From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to mike on Fri May 19 21:08:42 2023
    On 19/05/2023 20:23, mike wrote:
    On 20-05-2023 01:23 Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:

    I found that when I removed facebook's app, which was pre-installed

    What phone has Facebook pre installed?

    My Xiaomi Redmi Note 10 5G had it preinstalled (I uninstalled it). The
    Facebook App Installer, Facebook App Manager, and Facebook Services are
    not uninstallable.

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    Jeff

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  • From mike@21:1/5 to dnomhcir@gmx.com on Sat May 20 00:53:42 2023
    On 20-05-2023 01:23 Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:

    I found that when I removed facebook's app, which was pre-installed

    What phone has Facebook pre installed?

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  • From mike@21:1/5 to Jeff@invalid.invalid on Sat May 20 08:44:34 2023
    On 20-05-2023 01:38 Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I found that when I removed facebook's app, which was pre-installed

    What phone has Facebook pre installed?

    My Xiaomi Redmi Note 10 5G had it preinstalled (I uninstalled it). The Facebook App Installer, Facebook App Manager, and Facebook Services are
    not uninstallable.

    What's wrong with this (copied from a recent thread on the same question)?

    adb shell pm list packages | findstr 'facebook'
    com.facebook.appmanager
    com.facebook.katana
    com.facebook.orca
    com.facebook.services
    com.facebook.system

    Disable without root
    adb shell pm uninstall --user 0 com.facebook.appmanager

    Uninstall without root
    adb shell pm disable-user --user 0 com.facebook.appmanager

    Wipe it out with root
    adb shell
    su
    mount -o rw,remount /system
    rm -rf /system/app/[I]unwanted.apk[/I]
    rm -rf /data/data/[I]package[/I]
    mount -o ro,remount /system
    exit

    https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/248911/how-to-disable-com-facebook-appmanager

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to mike on Sat May 20 07:52:03 2023
    On 20/05/2023 04:14, mike wrote:
    On 20-05-2023 01:38 Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I found that when I removed facebook's app, which was pre-installed

    What phone has Facebook pre installed?

    My Xiaomi Redmi Note 10 5G had it preinstalled (I uninstalled it). The
    Facebook App Installer, Facebook App Manager, and Facebook Services are
    not uninstallable.

    What's wrong with this (copied from a recent thread on the same question)?

    Nothing. I was merely answering your question and confirming what the OP
    had said.

    adb shell pm list packages | findstr 'facebook'
    com.facebook.appmanager
    com.facebook.katana
    com.facebook.orca
    com.facebook.services
    com.facebook.system

    Disable without root
    adb shell pm uninstall --user 0 com.facebook.appmanager

    Uninstall without root
    adb shell pm disable-user --user 0 com.facebook.appmanager

    Wipe it out with root
    adb shell
    su
    mount -o rw,remount /system
    rm -rf /system/app/[I]unwanted.apk[/I]
    rm -rf /data/data/[I]package[/I]
    mount -o ro,remount /system
    exit

    https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/248911/how-to-disable-com-facebook-appmanager

    The interesting question is why would Facebook be uninstallable, but
    Facebook App Installer, Facebook App Manager, and Facebook Services not
    be uninstallable? I don't use Facebook, Instagram, or any social media.

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    Jeff

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Richmond on Sat May 20 14:31:37 2023
    On 2023-05-19 19:23, Richmond wrote:
    I found that when I removed facebook's app, which was pre-installed on
    my phone, it came back again. I did this a few times then gave up. But I found that there are hidden apps only viewable in the settings. They
    cannot be removed but they can be disabled. I disabled them and got a
    warning that things might not work. I went ahead fearlessly.

    The warning is generic, it will be displayed for anything you uninstall
    or disable.

    Maybe you were uninstalling/disabling services, not apps.

    If an app comes preinstalled and you remove it, it will come back with
    system updates from the manufacturer, so you have to be attentive and
    review the list of apps after such an update.

    You can also complain to the manufacturer. I did. Now the recent models
    do not carry facebook, outlook, or linkedlin. If they don't listen,
    change brand.


    Now I wonder, what information was facebook collecting, and how do I ask
    them to delete it if I don't have an account?

    The facebook app in your phone, as it was not configured and you didn't
    give it any permission (I hope), could not collect any information.

    However, facebook central may collect information of you that they get
    from other resources. Depends on regulation.


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    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Richmond@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Sat May 20 14:09:06 2023
    "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:

    On 2023-05-19 19:23, Richmond wrote:
    I found that when I removed facebook's app, which was pre-installed on
    my phone, it came back again. I did this a few times then gave up. But I
    found that there are hidden apps only viewable in the settings. They
    cannot be removed but they can be disabled. I disabled them and got a
    warning that things might not work. I went ahead fearlessly.

    The warning is generic, it will be displayed for anything you
    uninstall or disable.

    Maybe you were uninstalling/disabling services, not apps.

    If an app comes preinstalled and you remove it, it will come back with
    system updates from the manufacturer, so you have to be attentive and
    review the list of apps after such an update.

    You can also complain to the manufacturer. I did. Now the recent
    models do not carry facebook, outlook, or linkedlin. If they don't
    listen, change brand.


    Now I wonder, what information was facebook collecting, and how do I ask
    them to delete it if I don't have an account?

    The facebook app in your phone, as it was not configured and you
    didn't give it any permission (I hope), could not collect any
    information.

    However, facebook central may collect information of you that they get
    from other resources. Depends on regulation.

    I don't know how to tell the difference between a service and an app. I
    guess the facebook apps service is a service because it is called that.

    I don't think I am going to get any more updates as the phone is getting
    old.

    If the facebook app is installed by something which is part of the
    system, presumably it could have permissions
    pre-configured. Unfortunately as it is now gone again I cannot check
    what the permissions were. I think it had access to the phone number
    maybe.

    I have sent an email to facebook about this, and if they don't reply,
    which they probably won't, then I can go to the ICO perhaps, citing
    GDPR. I should be able to delete data, but if the data is stored under
    an anonymous id I can't really point at it.

    Cheap android phones don't last very long before updates
    cease. Expensive ones are too expensive. I am not sure whether it is
    worth buying another.

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  • From Richmond@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 20 14:11:19 2023
    I forgot to mention this:

    https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/guide-how-to-remove-facebook-services-and-other-bloatware-without-root.4143489/

    Note that it doesn't require root, but not all phones have fastboot.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to mike on Sat May 20 14:17:10 2023
    On 2023-05-19 21:23, mike wrote:
    On 20-05-2023 01:23 Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:

    I found that when I removed facebook's app, which was pre-installed

    What phone has Facebook pre installed?

    One of my Motorola phones has it.


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    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From mike@21:1/5 to Jeff@invalid.invalid on Sat May 20 20:07:27 2023
    On 20-05-2023 14:52 Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    The interesting question is why would Facebook be uninstallable, but
    Facebook App Installer, Facebook App Manager, and Facebook Services not
    be uninstallable? I don't use Facebook, Instagram, or any social media.

    To my knowledge, nothing is uninstallable in the user partition.
    Whether from Facebook. Or Google. Or the carrier. Or anyone else.
    The user has full permission with adb to disable or uninstall anything.

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  • From Richmond@21:1/5 to mike on Sat May 20 16:03:01 2023
    mike <this@address.is.invalid> writes:

    On 20-05-2023 14:52 Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    The interesting question is why would Facebook be uninstallable, but
    Facebook App Installer, Facebook App Manager, and Facebook Services
    not be uninstallable? I don't use Facebook, Instagram, or any social
    media.

    To my knowledge, nothing is uninstallable in the user partition.
    Whether from Facebook. Or Google. Or the carrier. Or anyone else.
    The user has full permission with adb to disable or uninstall anything.

    What I meant was the uninstall option wasn't available through the user interface. So normally if I press and hold an icon, a menu comes up, I
    select info, then I get "open" "uninstall" "force stop" on usual apps,
    but for example "YouTube" I see "open" "disable" "force stop".

    I mention that I may try adb, and I am going to do so now.

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  • From Richmond@21:1/5 to mike on Sat May 20 16:25:24 2023
    mike <this@address.is.invalid> writes:

    On 20-05-2023 16:03 Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:

    What I meant was the uninstall option wasn't available through the user
    interface. So normally if I press and hold an icon, a menu comes up, I
    select info, then I get "open" "uninstall" "force stop" on usual apps,
    but for example "YouTube" I see "open" "disable" "force stop".

    The Android interface is made for little old ladies & young children.
    This is an Android newsgroup. Not safe for old ladies & young children.

    There's a joke somewhere in that above about real men don't each quiche.

    I mention that I may try adb, and I am going to do so now.

    Real men use adb. :->

    Yes, I carry a laptop around with me so I can use adb to make phone
    calls.

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  • From mike@21:1/5 to dnomhcir@gmx.com on Sat May 20 20:48:12 2023
    On 20-05-2023 16:03 Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:

    What I meant was the uninstall option wasn't available through the user interface. So normally if I press and hold an icon, a menu comes up, I
    select info, then I get "open" "uninstall" "force stop" on usual apps,
    but for example "YouTube" I see "open" "disable" "force stop".

    The Android interface is made for little old ladies & young children.
    This is an Android newsgroup. Not safe for old ladies & young children.

    There's a joke somewhere in that above about real men don't each quiche.

    I mention that I may try adb, and I am going to do so now.

    Real men use adb. :->

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  • From mike@21:1/5 to dnomhcir@gmx.com on Sat May 20 21:43:03 2023
    On 20-05-2023 20:55 Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:

    Yes, I carry a laptop around with me so I can use adb to make phone
    calls.

    You may be new to this newsgroup but you don't need anything but the
    Android phone to run a local adb on the Android phone itself you know.

    The Android interface is made for little boys and girls to use.
    Real men use adb. :-)

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  • From Richmond@21:1/5 to mike on Sat May 20 18:04:09 2023
    mike <this@address.is.invalid> writes:

    On 20-05-2023 20:55 Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:

    Yes, I carry a laptop around with me so I can use adb to make phone
    calls.

    You may be new to this newsgroup but you don't need anything but the
    Android phone to run a local adb on the Android phone itself you know.


    Even on Android 10?

    The Android interface is made for little boys and girls to use.
    Real men use adb. :-)

    :(

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  • From mike@21:1/5 to dnomhcir@gmx.com on Sat May 20 23:22:21 2023
    On 20-05-2023 18:04 Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:

    You may be new to this newsgroup but you don't need anything but the
    Android phone to run a local adb on the Android phone itself you know.


    Even on Android 10?

    Again, you may be new to this newsgroup but a search would have shown you
    that it "Requires Android 8.0 and up" (I found that by doing your search).

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  • From Richmond@21:1/5 to mike on Sat May 20 19:00:49 2023
    mike <this@address.is.invalid> writes:

    On 20-05-2023 18:04 Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:

    You may be new to this newsgroup but you don't need anything but the
    Android phone to run a local adb on the Android phone itself you know.

    Even on Android 10?

    Again, you may be new to this newsgroup but a search would have shown you that it "Requires Android 8.0 and up" (I found that by doing your search).

    I did a search and found this website which says make sure you are on
    android 11.

    https://www.makeuseof.com/run-adb-android-without-computer/

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  • From Richmond@21:1/5 to Richmond on Sat May 20 19:05:14 2023
    Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> writes:

    mike <this@address.is.invalid> writes:

    On 20-05-2023 18:04 Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:

    You may be new to this newsgroup but you don't need anything but the
    Android phone to run a local adb on the Android phone itself you know. >>>>
    Even on Android 10?

    Again, you may be new to this newsgroup but a search would have shown you
    that it "Requires Android 8.0 and up" (I found that by doing your search).

    I did a search and found this website which says make sure you are on
    android 11.

    https://www.makeuseof.com/run-adb-android-without-computer/

    Also I asked ChatGPT and it said this:

    "While there are some ADB-like apps available on the Google Play Store
    that claim to provide similar functionality directly on an Android
    device, they are typically limited in their capabilities and may not
    offer the full functionality of ADB."

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  • From mike@21:1/5 to dnomhcir@gmx.com on Sat May 20 23:44:27 2023
    On 20-05-2023 20:05 Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:

    Again, you may be new to this newsgroup but a search would have shown you >>> that it "Requires Android 8.0 and up" (I found that by doing your search). >>
    I did a search and found this website which says make sure you are on
    android 11.

    https://www.makeuseof.com/run-adb-android-without-computer/

    Also I asked ChatGPT and it said this:

    "While there are some ADB-like apps available on the Google Play Store
    that claim to provide similar functionality directly on an Android
    device, they are typically limited in their capabilities and may not
    offer the full functionality of ADB."

    Did you run a usenet search of this specific newsgroup for local adb yet? That's how I found out the free ladb app works in Android 8 and above.

    I'm going to let you do your own searches since I'm not adding anything by doing the searches for you as I'm just repeating what threads already said.

    Good luck.

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