• Democrats push to force Apple to actually reduce e-waste (instead of ju

    From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 20 17:42:35 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    <https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/23633293/Letter___E_Waste_and_Charging_Cords___6_16_22_1__2_.pdf>

    June 16, 2022
    The Honorable Gina Raimondo
    Secretary of Commerce
    U.S. Department of Commerce
    1401 Constitution Avenue, NW
    Washington, DC 20230

    Dear Secretary Raimondo:

    We write regarding the economic and environmental harm inflicted by the consumer electronics industry's failure to establish uniform charging
    accessory standards - a shortcoming that requires consumers to frequently change their charging accessories.

    This planned obsolescence is expensive and frustrating for consumers, and drives the proliferation of electronic waste (e-waste).

    In response to these issues, the European Union (EU) just passed important legislation obligating electronics manufacturers to adopt a common charger
    for mobile devices across the EU. (1)

    We commend the Department of Commerce for the steps it has already taken
    to address these issues, (2) and we urge you to follow the EU's lead by developing a comprehensive strategy to address unnecessary consumer costs, mitigate e-waste, and restore sanity and certainty to the process of
    purchasing new electronics.

    In our increasingly digital society, consumers frequently must pay for new specialized charging equipment and accessories for their different devices.

    This is not merely an annoyance; it can be a financial burden.

    The average consumer owns approximately three mobile phone chargers, and
    around 40 percent of consumers report that, on at least one occasion, they "could not charge their mobile phone because available chargers were incompatible." (3)

    Innovation should benefit consumers. It should not come at their expense, saddle them with incompatible accessories, and compel them to purchase different charging equipment for each device they own.

    The Honorable Gina Raimondo
    June 16, 2022
    Page 2

    The lack of interoperability standards for charging and other device accessories also results in e-waste and environmental damage.

    As specialized chargers become obsolete with the introduction of new
    products, or as consumers change the brand of phone or device that they
    use, their outdated chargers are usually just thrown away.

    When electronics are not disposed of properly, e-waste can spread toxins in water, pollute soil, and degrade the air we breathe. (4) In 2019, humans generated a staggering 53.6 million metric tons of e-waste, and only 17
    percent of this waste was recycled. (5)

    Chargers that are discarded or never used create more than 11,000 tons of e-waste annually.6 This is a global issue, with a lasting impact on our environment and public health. (7) The U.S. government must respond.

    Under the new EU law, by 2024, European consumers will be able to use a
    single charger to power a variety of devices, including smartphones,
    tablets, portable speakers, and e-readers. (8)

    This policy has the potential to significantly reduce e-waste and help consumers who are tired of having to rummage through junk drawers full of tangled chargers to find a compatible one, or buy a new one.

    The EU has wisely acted in the public interest by taking on powerful technology companies over this consumer and environmental issue.

    The United States should do the same.

    We urge you to coordinate with offices and agencies across the Department
    of Commerce to develop a comprehensive plan that will protect both
    consumers and the environment by addressing the lack of a common U.S.
    charging standard.

    We cannot allow the consumer electronics industry to prioritize
    proprietary and inevitably obsolete charging technology over consumer protection and environmental health.

    Thank you for your attention to this important matter. We look forward to
    your prompt response.

    Sincerely,
    Edward J. Markey Elizabeth Warren
    United States Senator United States Senator

    The Honorable Gina Raimondo
    June 16, 2022
    Page 3
    (signed) Bernard Sanders
    United States Senator

    (1) Brian Fung, New EU rule will require all phones and electronics to use
    a standard charger, CNN (Jun. 7, 2022), https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/07/tech/europe-uscb-requirement/index.html.
    (2) Environmental Compliance Management Manual, U.S. Department of
    Commerce (July 2021), https://www.osec.doc.gov/opog/dmp/resources/EEMM_FINAL_July_2021.pdf.; Implementation Handbook for the Strategic Sustainability Performance Plan, Department of Commerce (Aug. 2013), https://www.osec.doc.gov/ofeq/documents/oseep/docs%20&%20newsltrs/documents/doc_sspp_implementation_handbook_august_2013.pdf.;
    OSEEP News - Earth Day 2021 Edition, U.S. Department of Commerce, Office of Sustainable Energy and Environmental Programs (Apr. 22, 2021), https://www.commerce.gov/sites/default/files/2021-04/OSEEP-Newsletter-EarthDay2021.pdf.
    (3) Press Release, European Commission, Pulling the plug on consumer frustration and e-waste: Commission proposes a common charger for
    electronic devices (Sept. 25, 2021), https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_4613.
    (4) Lucy McAllister, The Human and Environmental Effects of E-Waste, PRB
    (Apr. 4, 2013), https://www.prb.org/resources/the-human-and-environmental-effects-of-e-waste/#:~:text=For%20example%2C%20primary%20and%20secondary,to%20pulmonary%20and%20cardiovascular%20disease.
    (5) Vanessa Forti et al., The Global E-waste Monitor 2020: Quantities
    flows and circular economy potential, United Nations University/United
    Nations Institute for Training and Research, International
    Telecommunication Union, and International Solid Waste Association (July 2, 2020), https://ewastemonitor.info/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/GEM_2020_def_july1_low.pdf.
    (6) Press Release, European Commission, Pulling the plug on consumer frustration and e-waste: Commission proposes a common charger for
    electronic devices (Sept. 25, 2021), https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_4613.
    (7) Press Release, World Health Organization, Soaring e-waste affects the health of millions of children, WHO warns (Jun. 15, 2021), https://www.who.int/news/item/15-06-2021-soaring-e-waste-affects-the-health-of-millions-of-children-who-warns.
    (8) Id.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Mon Jun 20 10:09:06 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2022-06-20 09:42, Andy Burnelli wrote:
    <https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/23633293/Letter___E_Waste_and_Charging_Cords___6_16_22_1__2_.pdf>

    And naturally, the only possible kind of waste that can be reduced is
    unneeded charging bricks. <eye roll>


    But Apple already doesn't include chargers...

    ...so they only "waste" would be the need to have a $10 Lightning cable
    to plug into the charger you DO have.


    So job done, then!

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to R.Wieser on Mon Jun 20 11:51:13 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2022-06-20 11:32, R.Wieser wrote:
    Alan

    But Apple already doesn't include chargers...

    That new iPhone will be dead forever in a day or two without a charger.

    This is some great revelation to you, is it?

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  • From R.Wieser@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 20 20:32:03 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Alan

    But Apple already doesn't include chargers...

    That new iPhone will be dead forever in a day or two without a charger.
    --
    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to address@not.available on Mon Jun 20 15:57:43 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    In article <t8qeea$1d86$1@gioia.aioe.org>, R.Wieser
    <address@not.available> wrote:

    But Apple already doesn't include chargers...

    That new iPhone will be dead forever in a day or two without a charger.

    it can be charged with any usb charger made in roughly the past 20
    years, or via a usb port on a computer.

    most people have several chargers, so including yet another is a waste.

    also, some people may prefer a multi-port charger to charge several
    devices at a time and/or a wireless charger, which means they would
    never use the charger that would have been included.

    <https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51A3Cw2FD5L._AC_SL1500_.jpg>

    it ain't just apple. other phone makers have also stopped including
    chargers, and the forthcoming eu mandate requires chargers to be
    unbundled from the device.

    <https://www.samsung.com/uk/support/mobile-devices/why-does-samsung-not- include-a-charger-in-the-box/>
    The Galaxy S21 series does not have earphones or a charger plug in
    the box because Samsung wants to minimise the impact our products
    have on the environment.
    ...
    Existing Galaxy users are encouraged to continue using their current
    earphones and charging plug, while new users will need to purchase
    this separately. Samsung chargers are now available at new lower
    prices.

    <https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/17/22628702/google-pixel-6-charger-not- included>
    The company says that most people already have a USB-C charging
    brick, so there¹s no longer a need to include one with its phones.
    Apple and Samsung made similar arguments when they announced
    they would no longer be offering an in-box charger.

    except that for the google pixel, older chargers very likely will *not*
    work:
    <https://www.androidcentral.com/google-pixel-6-series-reject-third-party- charging-cables>
    € Google's latest flagship phones apparently refuse to charge with
    third-party cables and chargers.
    € The Google Pixel 6 series works only with PD-certified USB-C
    charging gear.
    € Google already warned that other cables and charging bricks
    might not work with Pixel phones.

    <https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_4613>
    ...In addition, the Commission proposes to unbundle the sale of
    chargers from the sale of electronic devices. This will improve
    consumers' convenience and reduce the environmental footprint
    associated with the production and disposal of chargers, thereby
    supporting the green and digital transitions.

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  • From R.Wieser@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 20 23:51:49 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Alan

    But Apple already doesn't include chargers...

    That new iPhone will be dead forever in a day or two without a charger.

    This is some great revelation to you, is it?

    Maybe you would buy a new house plumbed with re-used pipes & old electrical wires, but most people would prefer new fuseboxes to code in that new house instead of reusing old wires and old steel pipes pulled from the old house
    that was knocked down because everything was so old it had to be rebuilt.
    --
    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to R.Wieser on Mon Jun 20 15:25:02 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2022-06-20 14:51, R.Wieser wrote:
    Alan

    But Apple already doesn't include chargers...

    That new iPhone will be dead forever in a day or two without a charger.

    This is some great revelation to you, is it?

    Maybe you would buy a new house plumbed with re-used pipes & old electrical wires, but most people would prefer new fuseboxes to code in that new house instead of reusing old wires and old steel pipes pulled from the old house that was knocked down because everything was so old it had to be rebuilt.

    What an utterly specious comparison.

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to nospam on Mon Jun 20 23:34:56 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    nospam wrote:

    But Apple already doesn't include chargers...

    That new iPhone will be dead forever in a day or two without a charger.

    it can be charged with any usb charger made in roughly the past 20
    years, or via a usb port on a computer.

    Nobody lies like Apple lies.
    Apple removed the charger to make billions of dollars in profits.

    No other reason.
    Besides... nobody is gonna use an old wrong charger with a new iPhone.

    Nobody.
    At least not anyone who is intelligent.

    I know nospam is aware that an old charger isn't the correct charger for
    any modern iPhone, but for the others, you need to know the facts.

    Even Apple does NOT recommend using an old decrepit 5W brick with your
    brand new iPhone. Nobody would do that. And Apple does not recommend it.

    That's why Brazil forced Apple to supply the charger they removed from the
    USA iPhones for purely profit motives (Apple screws the customer in the ass every chance that Apple gets... and then tells their loyal customers it's "courageous" to be fucked up the ass by Apple year after year after year).

    HINT: If your iPhone is damaged by the old decrepit charger, Apple told
    Brazil that Apple will _not_ honor the warranty for that expensive iPhone.

    DoubleHINT: Apple made a big fuss years ago about old decrepit third-party chargers killing people... and suddenly, Apple doesn't give a shit when
    they decided to tell you to use an old wrong charger to charge your phone.

    TripleHINT: I know nospam knows all this when he tried to bullshit us
    above, but the others don't know that Apple has _never_ in its entire
    history ever shipped the _correct_ charger with _any_ iPhone that will correctly charge any modern iPhone at the charging speeds you paid a _lot_
    of money for.

    They're making _billions_ off of people buying a new charger.
    And nobody is going to use an old wrong charger on a new iPhone.
    And even if they had the right charger, they're not sharing with others everywhere they go (like bringing your tires with you when you change
    cars).

    Apple's advertising can only be believed by utter morons like nospam is.
    --
    Apple never cared about e-waste and certainly doesn't care now.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Mon Jun 20 15:47:12 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2022-06-20 15:34, Andy Burnelli wrote:
    nospam wrote:

    But Apple already doesn't include chargers...

    That new iPhone will be dead forever in a day or two without a charger.

    it can be charged with any usb charger made in roughly the past 20
    years, or via a usb port on a computer.

    Nobody lies like Apple lies.
    Apple removed the charger to make billions of dollars in profits.

    Which you've never proven.


    No other reason.
    Besides... nobody is gonna use an old wrong charger with a new iPhone.

    Nobody.
    At least not anyone who is intelligent.

    Except you are literally advocating for everyone to use one charger for everytyhing.

    I know nospam is aware that an old charger isn't the correct charger for
    any modern iPhone, but for the others, you need to know the facts.

    Lots of USB chargers are absolutely a "correct charger" for any modern
    iPhone.

    Isn't that the point?


    Even Apple does NOT recommend using an old decrepit 5W brick with your
    brand new iPhone. Nobody would do that. And Apple does not recommend it.

    Yup.

    And?


    That's why Brazil forced Apple to supply the charger they removed from the USA iPhones for purely profit motives (Apple screws the customer in the ass every chance that Apple gets... and then tells their loyal customers it's "courageous" to be fucked up the ass by Apple year after year after year).

    So Brazil insisted on creating e-waste, then?


    HINT: If your iPhone is damaged by the old decrepit charger, Apple told Brazil that Apple will _not_ honor the warranty for that expensive iPhone.

    Cite, please!


    DoubleHINT: Apple made a big fuss years ago about old decrepit third-party chargers killing people... and suddenly, Apple doesn't give a shit when
    they decided to tell you to use an old wrong charger to charge your phone.

    Nope. Wrong.


    TripleHINT: I know nospam knows all this when he tried to bullshit us
    above, but the others don't know that Apple has _never_ in its entire
    history ever shipped the _correct_ charger with _any_ iPhone that will correctly charge any modern iPhone at the charging speeds you paid a _lot_
    of money for.

    They're making _billions_ off of people buying a new charger.
    And nobody is going to use an old wrong charger on a new iPhone.
    And even if they had the right charger, they're not sharing with others everywhere they go (like bringing your tires with you when you change
    cars).

    Apple's advertising can only be believed by utter morons like nospam is.

    You seem to be contradicting yourself a lot.

    Apple has to reduce e-waste...

    ...but must include "correct chargers" even if people don't need them.

    Apple doesn't actually design their processors...

    ...but somehow they are to blame for any flaws in them.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to spam@nospam.com on Mon Jun 20 19:13:02 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    In article <t8qslo$14f4$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
    <spam@nospam.com> wrote:


    Nobody lies like me

    ftfy

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to nospam on Tue Jun 21 05:31:42 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    nospam wrote:

    Nobody lies like me

    ftfy

    For the permanent Usenet record to preserve, the adults on this newsgroup
    will note that the iKooks like nospam turn into instant kindergarten
    children because they have no adult response to facts (all of which are extremely widely reported even as _they_ are ignorant of all facts about
    Apple that Apple didn't happen to mention).
    --
    Not only has Apple _never_ in its history provided the correct charger for
    the current iPhones with _any_ iPhone, but Apple removed the charger purely
    for profit and then brazenly lied to the world as to why they removed it.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Mon Jun 20 23:21:11 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2022-06-20 21:31, Andy Burnelli wrote:
    nospam wrote:

    Nobody lies like me

    ftfy

    For the permanent Usenet record to preserve, the adults on this newsgroup will note that the iKooks like nospam turn into instant kindergarten
    children because they have no adult response to facts (all of which are extremely widely reported even as _they_ are ignorant of all facts about Apple that Apple didn't happen to mention).

    And yet...

    ...you present no evidence of this "wide" reporting.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to R.Wieser on Tue Jun 21 18:34:29 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2022-06-20, R.Wieser <address@not.available> wrote:

    That new iPhone will be dead forever in a day or two without a
    charger.

    I have yet to meet this elusive caveman who doesn't have a single USB
    port available to them to plug a cable into in order to charge
    something. Does he live in an actual cave?

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to jollyroger@pobox.com on Tue Jun 21 15:49:28 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    In article <jheh9lFlo38U3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    On 2022-06-20, R.Wieser <address@not.available> wrote:
    That new iPhone will be dead forever in a day or two without a
    charger.

    I have yet to meet this elusive caveman who doesn't have a single USB
    port available to them to plug a cable into in order to charge
    something. Does he live in an actual cave?

    maybe you just did.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIEcuIElzYWFr?=@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Tue Jun 21 15:56:55 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2022-06-21 12:34, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2022-06-20, R.Wieser <address@not.available> wrote:

    That new iPhone will be dead forever in a day or two without a
    charger.

    I have yet to meet this elusive caveman who doesn't have a single USB
    port available to them to plug a cable into in order to charge
    something. Does he live in an actual cave?

    There might be a few in rural North Korea.

    André

    --
    To email remove 'invalid' & replace 'gm' with well known Google mail
    service.

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Tue Jun 21 23:18:38 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Jolly Roger wrote:

    I have yet to meet this elusive caveman who doesn't have a single USB
    port available to them to plug a cable into in order to charge
    something. Does he live in an actual cave?

    What you iKooks are always incredibly ignorant of are the basic facts.

    Apple has never in its entire history shipped the correct charger for the latest iPhones in _any_ of the billions of iPhones ever sold.

    Apple lied.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Tue Jun 21 16:30:41 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2022-06-21 15:18, Andy Burnelli wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote:

    I have yet to meet this elusive caveman who doesn't have a single USB
    port available to them to plug a cable into in order to charge
    something. Does he live in an actual cave?

    What you iKooks are always incredibly ignorant of are the basic facts.

    Apple has never in its entire history shipped the correct charger for the latest iPhones in _any_ of the billions of iPhones ever sold.


    Which is what you have been advocating that Apple do, right?

    You think it's wasteful for them to include chargers, right?

    Apple lied.

    Quote this alleged lie, Arlen...

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Tue Jun 21 17:46:58 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2022-06-21 17:28, Andy Burnelli wrote:
    nospam wrote:

    I have yet to meet this elusive caveman who doesn't have a single USB
    port available to them to plug a cable into in order to charge
    something. Does he live in an actual cave?

    maybe you just did.

    The only reason Apple removed the charger was to force you to buy it back. Apple cares about the environment just about as much as Putin does.

    So you're both arguing that including chargers with every device is a
    waste...

    ...and that Apple needs to include a charger with every device.


    I get it that iKooks think it's courageous every time Apple fists you up
    the ass but what I don't get is how you can still be so ignorant about it.

    Some basic facts only iKooks are oblivious of are...
    1. Apple has _never_ shipped the correct charger for the latest few years'
      worth of iPhones in _any_ of the billions of iPhone boxes ever sold.

    Every USB charger made without a fixed charging cable is a correct charger.


    2. Apple doesn't even ship a charger nowadays, for a thousand dollar phone!

    And yet you argue that if they included it, it would be wasteful.


    3. Apple _expects_ you to use a worthless 5W decrepit old charging brick
      on your thousand dollar iPhone where Apple refuses to honor the warranty
      if that old decrepit charging brick damages your very expensive iPhone.

    No. Apple expects you to use one of the many chargers you have.


    4. Worse, if you happen to _already_ have a decently modern charger with
      at least a score of watts to its credit, you're _already_ using it on something.

    What Apple expects you to do is DROP EVERYTHING and take the only modern charging block you have, and REMOVE it from whatever your charging with it, and then SHARE it in real time on your expensive thousand dollar iPhone.

    What Apple is suggesting is patently preposterous.

    What Apple is doing is not only shoving their fist up your asses, but twisting it, and then telling you to take it because it's "courageous".

    So suddenly you're arguing that every device should include a
    high-wattage charger, Arlen?

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Jun 22 01:28:37 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    nospam wrote:

    I have yet to meet this elusive caveman who doesn't have a single USB
    port available to them to plug a cable into in order to charge
    something. Does he live in an actual cave?

    maybe you just did.

    The only reason Apple removed the charger was to force you to buy it back. Apple cares about the environment just about as much as Putin does.

    I get it that iKooks think it's courageous every time Apple fists you up
    the ass but what I don't get is how you can still be so ignorant about it.

    Some basic facts only iKooks are oblivious of are...

    1. Apple has _never_ shipped the correct charger for the latest few years'
    worth of iPhones in _any_ of the billions of iPhone boxes ever sold.

    2. Apple doesn't even ship a charger nowadays, for a thousand dollar phone!

    3. Apple _expects_ you to use a worthless 5W decrepit old charging brick
    on your thousand dollar iPhone where Apple refuses to honor the warranty
    if that old decrepit charging brick damages your very expensive iPhone.

    4. Worse, if you happen to _already_ have a decently modern charger with
    at least a score of watts to its credit, you're _already_ using it on something.

    What Apple expects you to do is DROP EVERYTHING and take the only modern charging block you have, and REMOVE it from whatever your charging with it,
    and then SHARE it in real time on your expensive thousand dollar iPhone.

    What Apple is suggesting is patently preposterous.

    What Apple is doing is not only shoving their fist up your asses, but
    twisting it, and then telling you to take it because it's "courageous".
    --
    The only reason Apple removed the charger was to force you to buy it back.

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  • From RocketSurgeon@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Tue Jun 21 22:07:45 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 6/20/22 3:34 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
    nospam wrote:

    But Apple already doesn't include chargers...

    That new iPhone will be dead forever in a day or two without a charger.

    it can be charged with any usb charger made in roughly the past 20
    years, or via a usb port on a computer.

    Nobody lies like Apple lies.
    Apple removed the charger to make billions of dollars in profits.

    Quite the analyst, aren't ya'!

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Thu Jun 23 19:03:17 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2022-06-23 18:43, Andy Burnelli wrote:
    Andr� G. Isaak wrote:

    There might be a few in rural North Korea.

    The fact is that Apple has _never_ in the history of the company, shipped
    the _correct_ charger in _any_ iPhone box ever sold on this planet....

    And now you carry off into flights of fancy even more ridiculous than
    your usual statement.

    iPhones shipped with chargers up until the iPhone 11.

    So you're claiming that every charger shipped with every iPhone prior to
    that was WRONG?

    Earlier iPhones weren't capable of fast charging, so that loophole won't
    save you.


    Well, except for in Brazil... where the government forced Apple to ship the correct charger with the iPhone because Apple refuses to honor the warranty if the wrong charger (which is _every_ charger ever shipped with an
    iPhone!) damages that expensive iPhone.

    What Apple claims about people having the correct charger for the latest iPhones is preposterous, and is so patently untrue as to be a brazen lie.

    But your whole argument in this thread is that Apple needs to be
    "forced" not to do something they're already not doing...

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 24 02:43:14 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    André G. Isaak wrote:

    There might be a few in rural North Korea.

    The fact is that Apple has _never_ in the history of the company, shipped
    the _correct_ charger in _any_ iPhone box ever sold on this planet....

    Well, except for in Brazil... where the government forced Apple to ship the correct charger with the iPhone because Apple refuses to honor the warranty
    if the wrong charger (which is _every_ charger ever shipped with an
    iPhone!) damages that expensive iPhone.

    What Apple claims about people having the correct charger for the latest iPhones is preposterous, and is so patently untrue as to be a brazen lie.
    --
    It's no longer shocking how ignorant the iKooks are of facts about Apple.

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to RocketSurgeon on Fri Jun 24 02:39:37 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    RocketSurgeon wrote:

    Apple removed the charger to make billions of dollars in profits.

    Quite the analyst, aren't ya'!

    You whooshed on the facts.

    It's widely reported, even down to the estimated profit Apple made
    based on a wide variety of inputs and industry calculations.

    Are you really ignorant of that?
    HINT: We discussed it _many_ times on this newsgroup alone, in fact.

    Hence, if you're _still_ not aware of the huge profits Apple made by
    removing the chargers (it's not just from the sales of chargers, mind you); that just makes you rather ignorant (surprise!) and says nothing about me.

    You're like Alan Baker (and, it's likely you _are_ Alan Baker!).
    a. Because you are _completely_ ignorant of widely known facts about Apple
    b. So _any_ statement about Apple comes as a shocking surprise to you

    No matter how many facts are provided, you won't ever read any of them.
    The only way you maintain your belief system is to be ignorant of facts.
    --
    The iKooks are always shocked about what happens to be widely reported news about Apple because the iKooks are always ignorant about all things Apple.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Thu Jun 23 19:05:34 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2022-06-23 18:39, Andy Burnelli wrote:
    RocketSurgeon wrote:

    Apple removed the charger to make billions of dollars in profits.

    Quite the analyst, aren't ya'!

    You whooshed on the facts.

    It's widely reported, even down to the estimated profit Apple made
    based on a wide variety of inputs and industry calculations.

    This is where you presenting those reports would have been appropriate.


    Are you really ignorant of that?
    HINT: We discussed it _many_ times on this newsgroup alone, in fact.

    Hence, if you're _still_ not aware of the huge profits Apple made by
    removing the chargers (it's not just from the sales of chargers, mind
    you); that just makes you rather ignorant (surprise!) and says nothing
    about me.

    Express them as a percentage of Apple's profits, Arlen...

    ...as you erroneously do about their R&D spending.


    You're like Alan Baker (and, it's likely you _are_ Alan Baker!). a.
    Because you are _completely_ ignorant of widely known facts about Apple
    b. So _any_ statement about Apple comes as a shocking surprise to you

    Nope. That's a lie.

    It's a lie because you have no way of judging the accuracy of your
    claim, and you know it.


    No matter how many facts are provided, you won't ever read any of them.
    The only way you maintain your belief system is to be ignorant of facts.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Jun 24 18:13:22 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2022-06-20 17:09:06 +0000, Alan said:
    On 2022-06-20 09:42, Andy Burnelli wrote:

    <https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/23633293/Letter___E_Waste_and_Charging_Cords___6_16_22_1__2_.pdf>


    And naturally, the only possible kind of waste that can be reduced is unneeded charging bricks. <eye roll>


    But Apple already doesn't include chargers...

    ...so they only "waste" would be the need to have a $10 Lightning cable
    to plug into the charger you DO have.


    So job done, then!

    It's not even up to Apple since they produce very little "ewaste"
    themselves. Same with every other manufacturer of anything.

    The fault lise with the lazy consumer who simply throws their product
    in the bin when they get a shiny new toy, the greedy consumer who
    insists on upgrading their toy every year despite already having one
    that works perfectly well, it's the clumsy idiot who loses their $1000
    phone so has to buy another one, it's the hopeless "recycling" most
    city refuse collections have where next to nothing is really recycled
    even when they have so-called "recycling"" bins.

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to Your Name on Sat Jun 25 02:12:34 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.system

    Your Name wrote:

    it's the hopeless "recycling" most
    city refuse collections have where next to nothing is really recycled
    even when they have so-called "recycling"" bins.

    YourName is correct that it would be a surprise if even 10% is actually recycled.

    If Apple cared about the environment, they wouldn't enforce billions of proprietary cabling on the (admittedly loyal, but stupid) Apple customer

    Same with the fact Apple never shipped the correct charger for the iPhone
    11 and up with _any_ iPhone ever sold in Apple's entire history (except for
    the iPhone 11 in Brazil, which was forced on them because Apple refused to honor the warranty otherwise).

    Apple lied.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Sat Jun 25 09:48:16 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2022-06-24 18:12, Andy Burnelli wrote:
    Your Name wrote:

    it's the hopeless "recycling" most city refuse collections have where
    next to nothing is really recycled even when they have so-called
    "recycling"" bins.

    YourName is correct that it would be a surprise if even 10% is actually recycled.

    If Apple cared about the environment, they wouldn't enforce billions of proprietary cabling on the (admittedly loyal, but stupid) Apple customer

    But you've been insisting that there is a need for charging all devices
    you might have at the same time.

    You brought it up to make the point that it's somehow wrong of Apple not
    to include a charger, remember?

    And if you're going to charge more than one device at one time, you are
    going to need more than one cable.

    So if Apple supplies the correct cable with each phone, isn't that all
    you need.


    Same with the fact Apple never shipped the correct charger for the iPhone
    11 and up with _any_ iPhone ever sold in Apple's entire history (except for the iPhone 11 in Brazil, which was forced on them because Apple refused to honor the warranty otherwise).

    Apple lied.

    No. You're lying now.

    You're getting bolder and expanding your lie, too.

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