On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 00:46:37 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

See my response in the other thread where you asked for help. I don't use FUSE, or have any iOS devices to get at their files, so my reply may not
be at the expert level you require. Likely you'll have to delve into
the Issues pages at the Github sites to get answers.

Thanks. I will respond over there when I have tested what you've suggested. We've solved _many_ problems together, but this is one of the tougher ones.

The first step, always, is _understanding_ the problem set.
a. Ubuntu long ago beautifully solved the problem set (using iFuse)
b. Android also long ago handily solved the problem set (using MTP)
c. It's only iOS that needs a better 2-way Windows USB file xfer solution

Paul is likely correct that Microsoft doesn't have an interest in supporting
a Windows iFuse port for the reasons Paul already eloquently stated.

So we're on our own with those attempts at an iFuse-like port to Windows.

What I promise is:
a. If the trolls try to derail this thread, I will ignore them.
b. I will try to test _every_ viable feasible solution that is proposed.
c. I don't have any hopes of solving this alone (as I'm not a coder).

If I ever do come up with a solution, it will be in following someone else's footsteps, but what I can do is write up a tutorial so others can follow me.
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On 23 Jan 2022 14:31:58 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

Where is two-way USB file transfer to and from the iOS visible file system?

Here's how to effortlessly transfer files from Windows to apps on Apple devices (and vice versa), which Arlen claims it "iMpOsSiBlE!1!":

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201301>

These iKooks are _desperate_ to deflect the technical point from the SUBJECT
*Read _&_ write to the entire visible file system of both devices over USB*

Time and again, it's clear they didn't even _read_ their own links!

This is the _first_ sentence of that link, for example:
"Instead of File Sharing, consider using iCloud Drive, Handoff, or AirDrop
to keep your documents up to date across all of your devices."

Why do you _think_ Apple says that?
HINT: Apple _knows_ iTunes' USB file sharing is merely "barely rudimentary".

Despite the iKooks being _desperate_ to derail this thread (which we easily predicted they would do in the opening post), the salient facts remain:

1. Android works out of the box <https://i.postimg.cc/9MGdc2s7/files10.jpg>
2. So does Linux out of the box <https://i.postimg.cc/s2x0f9Js/files14.jpg>
3. Even Apple iPods do it <https://i.postimg.cc/fRtZFGSt/sharepod01.jpg>
4. iOS? <the only known possible solution is an iFuse port on Windows>

The USB file xfer goal can be resolved by finding an iFuse port for Windows. I'm _not_ a developer and I don't have _any_ experience compiling iFuse.

Hence this question of people who are better at such things than I am.
I can follow in your footsteps (as I try every viable solution proposed).

Is there anyone here who knows iFuse better than I do that can help us?
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 17:25:59 -0500, nospam wrote:

as i said numerous times, copying some content does not require
additional software while other content does. for the latter, install whatever software is needed, copy the content and get on with life.

The iKooks _hate_ that goal is so very simple & yet they can't ever do it.
*Read _&_ write to the entire visible file system of both devices over USB*

There's no mention of "out of the box" even though it's clear both Linux and Android do it "out of the box".

Notice the iPod does _not_ do it out of the box, but with free software it _does_ do it; so there's no need for "out of the box" at all.
<https://i.postimg.cc/fRtZFGSt/sharepod01.jpg>

What is needed is a universal solution that works for everyone, which means
all the software needs to be is free and it needs to do the job asked of it.

But that's too much for these iKooks to comprehend.
*_What_? Free file copy? To and from the visible file system?*

That's apparently far too much functionality to ask of iTunes or Files apps.

The goal is too great.
In fact, the iKooks claimed that's an "artificial" goal.
Why?

never have i seen people make such a big deal about copying stuff.

It's _you_ iKooks who are brazenly fabricating imaginary functionality.
Not us.

We back up our claims.
1. Android works out of the box <https://i.postimg.cc/9MGdc2s7/files10.jpg>
2. So does Linux out of the box <https://i.postimg.cc/s2x0f9Js/files14.jpg>
3. Even Apple iPods do it <https://i.postimg.cc/fRtZFGSt/sharepod01.jpg>
4. iOS? <the only known possible solution is an iFuse port on Windows>

You are the one who _hates_ that last line and who is making a big deal
by brazenly fabricating functionality for that last line that doesn't exist.

Not us.
We just want to solve that problem which Apple created.

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On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 23:40:00 -0500, nospam wrote:

he's clearly never used itunes,

What's always the case with these iKooks is they just make everything up.
Look at this screenshot: <https://i.postimg.cc/fRtZFGSt/sharepod01.jpg>

What do you think happens to that _fantastic_ two-way file copy to and from
the _entire visible file system_ of the iPod & Windows... ... ...
What do you think happens, nospam....
What happens...
What happens...
*What happens the _instant_ iTunes is installed?*

Tell us, nospam.
What happens to that functionality the instant iTunes is installed?

Tell us.
(HINT: I know because I certainly know that iTunes _removes_ functionality!)


Note to adults only:
a. I'm aware how very odd that sounds that iTunes _removes_ functionality.
b. But try it and you'll see _exactly_ that (odd as it would seem).
c. A question might be _why_ does Apple have iTunes remove functionality?

Why does Apple write iTunes to _remove_ that functionality?
I don't know why.

All I know is that the instant you add iTunes to Windows, you can no longer just slide your media files back and forth (read _and_ write) to the entire visible file system of _any_ iPod (not just your iPod - but _any_ iPod).
a. You can't use any iPod
b. You can't slide files back and forth

Why does iTunes destroy that functionality the _instant_ you install it?
I don't know why.

Ask the iKooks why.
(Note: Ask the iKooks how they can claim I've never used iTunes by the way.)

If iTunes was so great, Jolly Roger, why did Apple summarily drop it whole?

on windows, it's alive and well.

Tell us nospam why iTunes (and its concomittent bloatware) has huge vulnerabilities that are in the iTunes Windows versions for 8 years, nospam?

The goal here is to do with iOS what _every_ other platform already does.

it very easily does that.

only you are having problems, which means the limitation is not the
operating system, the hardware or the company who made it.

The adults will notice that the iKooks claim they can do what _nobody_ else
can do, which is a brazen fabrication which they _never_ back up with facts.

Since I'm an adult, here are facts that I can do what I claim I can do:
<https://i.postimg.cc/fRtZFGSt/sharepod01.jpg> itunes removes functionality
<https://i.postimg.cc/NFkXsJ0X/files01.jpg> iOS/Win is 1-way & DCIM only
<https://i.postimg.cc/L8b18Zmx/files02.jpg> iOS "Files" does nothing useful
<https://i.postimg.cc/d3SGkdgr/files03.jpg> Android is two way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/QMk7tvZW/files04.jpg> Ubuntu is two way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/qqg61Rh8/files05.jpg> Ubuntu, movies _to_ iOS on USB
<https://i.postimg.cc/Jhmy9KH7/files06.jpg> Ubuntu uses iFuse for its magic
<https://i.postimg.cc/KjK4nHwf/files07.jpg> Ubuntu is two-way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/3xcCBngd/files08.jpg> iOS is just a dumb brick on Win
<https://i.postimg.cc/mDx3xkp4/files09.jpg> iOS only DCIM & only 1-way copy
<https://i.postimg.cc/9MGdc2s7/files10.jpg> Android is 2-way fast over USB
<https://i.postimg.cc/cChf8mx1/files11.jpg> iOS requires hacks just to copy
<https://i.postimg.cc/pVJf72fN/files12.jpg> iOS hacks very often will fail
<https://i.postimg.cc/g269S8rT/files13.jpg> How does macOS work with iOS?
<https://i.postimg.cc/s2x0f9Js/files14.jpg> Simultaneous linux, win10 & iOS

Adults will notice the iKooks are _desperate_ to claim functionality that doesn't exist - where Frank Slootweg became exasperated these iKooks _never_ can back up _any_ of their brazenly fabricated imaginary functionality.

Why are the iKooks so _desperate_ to deflect this technical thread?
I don't know why.
I just know that I can predict a decade in advance what they do.

Nonetheless, the goal remains to obtain for iOS the same functionality we already have for all other platforms except for iOS (even iPods!)

The USB file xfer goal can be resolved by finding an iFuse port for Windows. I'm _not_ a developer and I don't have _any_ experience compiling iFuse.

Hence the answer will be from those who are better at such things than I.
I will follow in your footsteps (as I try every viable solution proposed).

Is there anyone here who knows iFuse better than I do that can help us?
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On 2022-01-23, Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:

On 23 Jan 2022 14:31:58 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

Where is two-way USB file transfer to and from the iOS visible file system? >>

Here's how to effortlessly transfer files from Windows to apps on Apple
devices (and vice versa), which Arlen claims it "iMpOsSiBlE!1!":

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201301>

This is the _first_ sentence of that link, for example:
"Instead of File Sharing, consider using iCloud Drive, Handoff, or
AirDrop to keep your documents up to date across all of your
devices."

Poor little Arlen can't get past sentence one. Yet the rest of the
document gives simple steps showing how to do two-way file transfers to
and from apps on iOS devices and your Windows computer:

See which of your iOS and iPadOS apps can share files with your computer
1. Open iTunes on your Mac or PC.
2. Connect your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch to your computer using the
USB cable that came with your device.
3. Click your device in iTunes.
4. In the left sidebar, click File Sharing.
5. Select an app to see which files are available for sharing in that
app on your device.

Copy files from your computer to your iOS or iPadOS app
1. In iTunes, select the app from the list in the File Sharing section.
2. Drag and drop files from a folder or window onto the Documents list
to copy them to your device. You can also click Add in the Documents
list in iTunes, find the file or files you want to copy from your
computer, and then click Add. iTunes copies these files to the app on
your device.

Copy files from an iOS or iPadOS app to your computer
1. In iTunes, select the app from the list in the File Sharing section.
2. Drag and drop files from the Documents list to a folder or window on
your computer to copy them to your computer. You can also select the
file or files that you want to copy to your computer from the Documents
list and click "Save" then find the folder on your computer to which you
want to copy the files and click Save.

Why do you think Arlen ignores the rest of the document and focuses only
on single sentence?

Why do you _think_ Apple says that?
"Instead of File Sharing, consider using iCloud Drive, Handoff, or
AirDrop to keep your documents up to date across all of your
devices."

Because those methods are actually even easier than fumbling around with
a cable, hooking your "mobile" device to it, connecting the other end to
your computer, and opening a window to manually transfer files. But we
get it, Arlen: you *hate* easy and elegant file transfer methods with a passion, especially when they are contrasted with the cumbersome
methods. : )

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On 1/24/22 15:41, Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2022-01-23, Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:

Where is two-way USB file transfer to and from the iOS visible
file system?

"Instead of File Sharing, consider using iCloud Drive, Handoff, or
AirDrop to keep your documents up to date across all of your
devices."

A USB cable does nothing with my flip-phone except charge it. I've used bluetooth a few times to get pictures off my phone. Would bluetooth help
Orlon with his problem-set?

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On 2022-01-25, corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:

On 1/24/22 15:41, Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2022-01-23, Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:

Where is two-way USB file transfer to and from the iOS visible
file system?

"Instead of File Sharing, consider using iCloud Drive, Handoff, or
AirDrop to keep your documents up to date across all of your
devices."

A USB cable does nothing with my flip-phone except charge it. I've
used bluetooth a few times to get pictures off my phone. Would
bluetooth help Orlon with his problem-set?

Wireless transfers are far too advanced and nowhere near cumbersome
enough. It absolutely *must* be done over a USB cable. Sorry. You've
"lost" his little game. Thanks for playing.

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In message <ssnm43$fgo$1@gioia.aioe.org> corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:

On 1/24/22 15:41, Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2022-01-23, Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:

Where is two-way USB file transfer to and from the iOS visible
file system?

"Instead of File Sharing, consider using iCloud Drive, Handoff, or
AirDrop to keep your documents up to date across all of your
devices."

A USB cable does nothing with my flip-phone except charge it. I've used bluetooth a few times to get pictures off my phone. Would bluetooth help Orlon with his problem-set?

Nothing will help him with his problems other than medical intervention.


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