• macOS's stable updates are out now!

    From Ant@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 13 13:14:26 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    https://developer.apple.com/news/releases/ and https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222
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  • From Alan Ralph@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 14 13:53:23 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2021-12-13 at 7:14:26 pm GMT, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    https://developer.apple.com/news/releases/ and https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222

    I guess we'll find out soon enough what version of 'stable' we now have on
    each platform. :P

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan Ralph on Tue Dec 14 17:18:51 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2021-12-14, Alan Ralph <usenet@alanralph.co.uk> wrote:
    On 2021-12-13 at 7:14:26 pm GMT, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    https://developer.apple.com/news/releases/ and
    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222

    I guess we'll find out soon enough what version of 'stable' we now have on each platform. :P

    DURRHURR... Boring troll.

    macOS 12 (Monterey) has been remarkably stable and relatively
    problem-free compared to prior releases for most people. It's been a
    terrific release overall.

    Cue the "I found this one bug, therefore macOS 12 is hOrRiBlE and
    tErRiBlE!1!" trolls in 3... 2... 1...

    *YAWN*

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  • From Neill Massello@21:1/5 to Alan Ralph on Wed Dec 15 01:39:25 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2021-12-14 at 06:53:23 MST, "Alan Ralph" <usenet@alanralph.co.uk> wrote:

    On 2021-12-13 at 7:14:26 pm GMT, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    https://developer.apple.com/news/releases/ and
    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222

    I guess we'll find out soon enough what version of 'stable' we now have on each platform. :P

    I updated my 2018 mini to 11.6.2 yesterday, and today I had the first hard freeze I've had in a very long time. Yes yes, I know: it was just a coincidence.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Neill Massello on Wed Dec 15 15:05:30 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2021-12-15 01:39:25 +0000, Neill Massello said:
    On 2021-12-14 at 06:53:23 MST, "Alan Ralph" <usenet@alanralph.co.uk> wrote:
    On 2021-12-13 at 7:14:26 pm GMT, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    https://developer.apple.com/news/releases/ and
    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222

    I guess we'll find out soon enough what version of 'stable' we now have on >> each platform. :P

    I updated my 2018 mini to 11.6.2 yesterday, and today I had the first hard freeze I've had in a very long time. Yes yes, I know: it was just a coincidence.

    One of my external hard drives also froze yesterday and required a
    reboot, but I'm still using High Sierra.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIEcuIElzYWFr?=@21:1/5 to Your Name on Tue Dec 14 20:31:56 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2021-12-14 19:05, Your Name wrote:
    On 2021-12-15 01:39:25 +0000, Neill Massello said:
    On 2021-12-14 at 06:53:23 MST, "Alan Ralph" <usenet@alanralph.co.uk>
    wrote:
    On 2021-12-13 at 7:14:26 pm GMT, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    https://developer.apple.com/news/releases/ and
    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222

    I guess we'll find out soon enough what version of 'stable' we now
    have on
    each platform. :P

    I updated my 2018 mini to 11.6.2 yesterday, and today I had the first
    hard
    freeze I've had in a very long time. Yes yes, I know: it was just a
    coincidence.

    One of my external hard drives also froze yesterday and required a
    reboot, but I'm still using High Sierra.

    I applied an upgrade yesterday and a tanker truck exploded in Haiti.

    André


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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Wed Dec 15 17:15:00 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote
    Your Name wrote
    Neill Massello wrote
    Alan Ralph <usenet@alanralph.co.uk> wrote
    Ant <Ant> wrote

    https://developer.apple.com/news/releases/ and
    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222

    I guess we'll find out soon enough what version
    of 'stable' we now have on each platform. :P

    I updated my 2018 mini to 11.6.2 yesterday, and
    today I had the first hard freeze I've had in a very
    long time. Yes yes, I know: it was just a coincidence.

    One of my external hard drives also froze yesterday
    and required a reboot, but I'm still using High Sierra.

    What do you want to tell us?

    That was a joke, Joyce.

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 15 06:26:24 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Am 15.12.21 um 03:05 schrieb Your Name:
    On 2021-12-15 01:39:25 +0000, Neill Massello said:
    On 2021-12-14 at 06:53:23 MST, "Alan Ralph" <usenet@alanralph.co.uk> wrote: >>> On 2021-12-13 at 7:14:26 pm GMT, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    https://developer.apple.com/news/releases/ and
    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222

    I guess we'll find out soon enough what version of 'stable' we now have on >>> each platform. :P

    I updated my 2018 mini to 11.6.2 yesterday, and today I had the first hard >> freeze I've had in a very long time. Yes yes, I know: it was just a
    coincidence.

    One of my external hard drives also froze yesterday and required a
    reboot, but I'm still using High Sierra.

    What do you want to tell us?


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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Ant on Wed Dec 15 00:22:27 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In misc.phone.mobile.iphone Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
    https://developer.apple.com/news/releases/ and https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222

    Oops. I meant to say Apple, not macOS. :/
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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Ant on Wed Dec 15 13:18:07 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2021-12-15 01:22, Ant wrote:
    In misc.phone.mobile.iphone Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
    https://developer.apple.com/news/releases/ and https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222

    Oops. I meant to say Apple, not macOS. :/


    A man was in the hospital emergency room. He had 25 plastic toy horses
    up his rectum.

    Doctors reported him to be stable.




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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Thu Dec 16 03:40:49 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 03:32:06 -0000 (UTC), Andy Burnelli wrote:

    Google proved that to be a fact - where even Apple couldn't deny the facts.

    Since my belief systems are based on facts, I should list the canonical reference that proves huge swaths of iOS code couldn't possibly ever have been tested by Apple (a proven fact which even Apple couldn't deny).

    *A very deep dive into iOS Exploit chains found in the wild
    <https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>

    Anyone who believes iOS 15 is tested sufficiently by Apple is ignorant of the facts, since the facts show Apple has _never_ tested huge parts of any iOS release ever shipped.

    FACTS
    *An astounding list of security vulnerabilities found in Apple software*
    <https://www.zerodayinitiative.com/blog/2017/5/15/the-may-2017-apple-security-update-review>

    *What the market for zero-day exploits tells us about our phones*
    <https://onezero.medium.com/is-android-getting-safer-than-ios-4a2ca6f359d3>

    *No, Android is not less secure than is iOS*
    <https://www.pcworld.com/article/216733/android_is_not_less_secure_than_ios.html>

    *No, Your iPhone Is Not More Secure Than Android*
    <https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2021/03/16/iphone-12-pro-max-and-iphone-13-not-more-secure-than-google-and-samsung-android-warns-cyber-billionaire/>

    *Stop sending us Apple bugs, we have enough already*
    <https://www.cyberscoop.com/ios-zero-day-zerodium-high-supply/>

    *Your iPhone's Data Isn't as Private as Apple makes you think it is*
    <https://www.idropnews.com/news/your-iphone-data-isnt-as-private-as-you-think-it-is/165666/>

    *How Can What Apple did Be Good for Privacy?*
    <https://www.idropnews.com/news/it-turns-out-apple-wasnt-previously-scanning-icloud-photos-for-csam-only-icloud-mail/166129/>

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Thu Dec 16 03:32:06 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 13:18:07 -0500, Alan Browne wrote:

    A man was in the hospital emergency room. He had 25 plastic toy horses
    up his rectum.

    Doctors reported him to be stable.

    *Apple has never even once sufficiently tested _any_ iOS release.*

    Google proved that to be a fact - where even Apple couldn't deny the facts.

    Since Apple has _never_ even once tested any iOS release sufficiently...
    Why would anyone expect Apple to _start_ testing iOS in iOS 15.x?

    *Why is iOS 14 so bad?*
    <https://www.zdnet.com/article/why-is-ios-14-so-bad/>
    "We're nearly nine months on since iOS 14 was released,
    and the bugs are still piling up."

    *Apple iOS 15 Warnings Issued For All iPhone Users* <https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2021/09/29/apple-iphone-warning-ios-15-update-problems-bugs-upgrade-13-pro-max>
    "As millions of iPhone owners begin to upgrade, serious problems
    are now being found in almost all parts of the release. "
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    Only an apologist would stoop so low as to claim iOS is a tested release.

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  • From Alan Ralph@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Thu Dec 16 11:13:38 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2021-12-14 at 5:18:51 pm GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    On 2021-12-14, Alan Ralph <usenet@alanralph.co.uk> wrote:
    On 2021-12-13 at 7:14:26 pm GMT, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    https://developer.apple.com/news/releases/ and
    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222

    I guess we'll find out soon enough what version of 'stable' we now have on >> each platform. :P

    DURRHURR... Boring troll.

    macOS 12 (Monterey) has been remarkably stable and relatively
    problem-free compared to prior releases for most people. It's been a terrific release overall.

    Cue the "I found this one bug, therefore macOS 12 is hOrRiBlE and tErRiBlE!1!" trolls in 3... 2... 1...

    *YAWN*

    FWIW, I wasn't trolling above. I got hit by the memory leak linked to the new pointer customisation options under Accessibility, and that has been fixed
    now.

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  • From Lewis@21:1/5 to Alan Ralph on Thu Dec 16 12:13:20 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In message <spf712$nn9$1@dont-email.me> Alan Ralph <usenet@alanralph.co.uk> wrote:
    On 2021-12-14 at 5:18:51 pm GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    On 2021-12-14, Alan Ralph <usenet@alanralph.co.uk> wrote:
    On 2021-12-13 at 7:14:26 pm GMT, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    https://developer.apple.com/news/releases/ and
    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222

    I guess we'll find out soon enough what version of 'stable' we now have on >>> each platform. :P

    DURRHURR... Boring troll.

    macOS 12 (Monterey) has been remarkably stable and relatively
    problem-free compared to prior releases for most people. It's been a
    terrific release overall.

    Cue the "I found this one bug, therefore macOS 12 is hOrRiBlE and
    tErRiBlE!1!" trolls in 3... 2... 1...

    *YAWN*

    FWIW, I wasn't trolling above. I got hit by the memory leak linked to the new pointer customisation options under Accessibility, and that has been fixed now.

    First of all, the pointer customization in accessibility is not new.
    Second of all, I always have that turned on, and the so-called memory
    leak was not noticeable. I heard it was most a problem for Chrome (or was
    it Firefox? Doesn't matter, I no longer use either of those browsers)
    users. Anyway, it as not an issue on my 2015 MBP running Monterey or my
    M1 mini running Monterey.


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  • From Alan Ralph@21:1/5 to Lewis on Thu Dec 16 13:56:11 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2021-12-16 at 12:13:20 pm GMT, "Lewis" <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    In message <spf712$nn9$1@dont-email.me> Alan Ralph <usenet@alanralph.co.uk> wrote:
    On 2021-12-14 at 5:18:51 pm GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    On 2021-12-14, Alan Ralph <usenet@alanralph.co.uk> wrote:
    On 2021-12-13 at 7:14:26 pm GMT, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    https://developer.apple.com/news/releases/ and
    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222

    I guess we'll find out soon enough what version of 'stable' we now have on >>>> each platform. :P

    DURRHURR... Boring troll.

    macOS 12 (Monterey) has been remarkably stable and relatively
    problem-free compared to prior releases for most people. It's been a
    terrific release overall.

    Cue the "I found this one bug, therefore macOS 12 is hOrRiBlE and
    tErRiBlE!1!" trolls in 3... 2... 1...

    *YAWN*

    FWIW, I wasn't trolling above. I got hit by the memory leak linked to the new
    pointer customisation options under Accessibility, and that has been fixed >> now.

    First of all, the pointer customization in accessibility is not new.
    Second of all, I always have that turned on, and the so-called memory
    leak was not noticeable. I heard it was most a problem for Chrome (or was
    it Firefox? Doesn't matter, I no longer use either of those browsers)
    users. Anyway, it as not an issue on my 2015 MBP running Monterey or my
    M1 mini running Monterey.

    The ability to change the colour of the pointer was a new addition in
    Monterey, and on 12.0.1 I was getting excessive memory usage in multiple apps until I reverted to the default colour and size.

    If you weren't affected, great for you, but I was and it was a bummer for me.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan Ralph on Thu Dec 16 16:27:58 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2021-12-16, Alan Ralph <usenet@alanralph.co.uk> wrote:
    On 2021-12-14 at 5:18:51 pm GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    On 2021-12-14, Alan Ralph <usenet@alanralph.co.uk> wrote:
    On 2021-12-13 at 7:14:26 pm GMT, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    https://developer.apple.com/news/releases/ and
    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222

    I guess we'll find out soon enough what version of 'stable' we now
    have on each platform. :P

    DURRHURR... Boring troll.

    macOS 12 (Monterey) has been remarkably stable and relatively
    problem-free compared to prior releases for most people. It's been a
    terrific release overall.

    Cue the "I found this one bug, therefore macOS 12 is hOrRiBlE and
    tErRiBlE!1!" trolls in 3... 2... 1...

    *YAWN*

    FWIW, I wasn't trolling above.

    I mean... clearly you were trolling. You didn't mention any specific
    problems. You just trolled. It's okay to admit it. Something pissed you
    off and you trolled a post about updates. It is what it is.

    I got hit by the memory leak linked to the new pointer customisation
    options under Accessibility, and that has been fixed now.

    That's nice to hear. I've never felt the need to colorize my cursor. A
    quick shake is all that is needed to find it on a busy screen. But I'm
    glad the option is there for others who want it.

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