• Go Update Your iPhone and iPad Right Now

    From NewsKrawler@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 12 17:46:57 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Go Update Your iPhone and iPad Right Now https://gizmodo.com/go-update-your-iphone-and-ipad-right-now-1847840552

    If you have an iPhone or an iPad, better update those suckers right now.

    Apple has just announced a newly discovered zero-day vulnerability affecting droves of the company's phones and tablets the likes of which may be seeing "active exploitation" by hackers.

    The bug is inside the devices' IOMobileFrameBuffer and the company has
    shared that, if exploited properly, hackers could use it to execute
    arbitrary code with kernel privileges on target devices, meaning they would basically be able to hijack your phone or tablet and do whatever they want
    with them.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Ant on Tue Oct 12 19:46:44 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 10/12/2021 7:18 PM, Ant wrote:
    In comp.mobile.ipad NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:
    Go Update Your iPhone and iPad Right Now
    https://gizmodo.com/go-update-your-iphone-and-ipad-right-now-1847840552

    If you have an iPhone or an iPad, better update those suckers right now.

    Apple has just announced a newly discovered zero-day vulnerability affecting >> droves of the company's phones and tablets the likes of which may be seeing >> "active exploitation" by hackers.

    The bug is inside the devices' IOMobileFrameBuffer and the company has
    shared that, if exploited properly, hackers could use it to execute
    arbitrary code with kernel privileges on target devices, meaning they would >> basically be able to hijack your phone or tablet and do whatever they want >> with them.

    What about those with v14.8?

    "there is no iOS 14.8.1 update including this fix."

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to NewsKrawler on Tue Oct 12 21:18:55 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In comp.mobile.ipad NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:
    Go Update Your iPhone and iPad Right Now https://gizmodo.com/go-update-your-iphone-and-ipad-right-now-1847840552

    If you have an iPhone or an iPad, better update those suckers right now.

    Apple has just announced a newly discovered zero-day vulnerability affecting droves of the company's phones and tablets the likes of which may be seeing "active exploitation" by hackers.

    The bug is inside the devices' IOMobileFrameBuffer and the company has
    shared that, if exploited properly, hackers could use it to execute
    arbitrary code with kernel privileges on target devices, meaning they would basically be able to hijack your phone or tablet and do whatever they want with them.

    What about those with v14.8?
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  • From Robin Goodfellow@21:1/5 to sms on Wed Oct 13 03:06:55 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> asked
    What about those with v14.8?

    "there is no iOS 14.8.1 update including this fix."

    Given *nobody has more zero-day exploits than Apple*, the question is why?

    Ant and Steve aren't apologists so a normal conversation replete with adult nuance is possible with them - where I'm struggling to figure out
    specifically why Apple has more zero day exploits than anyone else ever had.

    To figure out why Apple QA missed all these zero day exploits (usually one a month but now it's double that!), I was reading up on the cause of this bug
    as I'm trying to figure out why Apple has so freakin' many zero-day holes
    (far more than any other operating system), where - to your point - the guy testing it said he only sampled some older iOS versions and he found the bug apparently in 14.7 (and he surmised it was in older ones still).

    Couple this exploit with the fact that it's extremely similar to previous
    ones and it all adds to the evidence that Apple _never_ tests iOS
    sufficiently.

    I realize Apple spends almost nothing in R&D compared to what Apple spends
    in marketing... but you'd think that Apple would some day actually run QA.

    Yet, iOS 13 was a shit show, as was iOS14, and now, iOS 15 is just as bad
    with Apple having 17 zero-day exploits this year alone (that's a record!).

    Given *nobody has more zero-day exploits than Apple*, the question is why?
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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Robin Goodfellow on Wed Oct 13 10:06:56 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 10/12/2021 8:06 PM, Robin Goodfellow wrote:
    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> asked
    What about those with v14.8?

    "there is no iOS 14.8.1 update including this fix."

    Given *nobody has more zero-day exploits than Apple*, the question is why?

    Every device that qualified for 14.x also qualifies for 15.x, all the
    way back to the 6s and 6s Plus.

    Why put resources into updating an old version of iOS? If you want to
    patch the security issues then you need to update to 15.0.2.

    There are valid reasons why some users don't want to update to 15.x, but
    they have to weigh those reasons against the risks.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Wed Oct 13 13:11:34 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <sk73ni$h1p$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    Every device that qualified for 14.x also qualifies for 15.x, all the
    way back to the 6s and 6s Plus.

    the only thing you got correct.

    Why put resources into updating an old version of iOS?

    because some people choose to not update.

    If you want to
    patch the security issues then you need to update to 15.0.2.

    nope. 14.8 and 12.5.5 say you're wrong once again.

    both are on a different track and will be updated when they are ready.

    There are valid reasons why some users don't want to update to 15.x, but
    they have to weigh those reasons against the risks.

    no there aren't.

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  • From Robin Goodfellow@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Oct 13 17:41:05 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
    There are valid reasons why some users don't want to update to 15.x, but
    they have to weigh those reasons against the risks.

    no there aren't.

    Methinks apologists are ignorant of what facts exist outside Apple's site.

    The fact remains that Apple coding quality sucks which even you can't deny.
    *Apple IOS Zero-day Vulnerabilities Running Rampant in 2021*
    <https://heimdalsecurity.com/blog/apple-ios-zero-day-vulnerabilities-running-rampant-in-2021/>

    The fact also remains that Apple spends almost nothing on R&D compared to
    any other high tech company, which is likely why coding quality sucks.
    *Apple R&D spending looks anemic compared to rivals' big budgets*
    <https://www.cultofmac.com/720505/apple-rd-spending-2020-compared-to-google-microsoft/>

    While it fluctuates (depending more on revenue than anything else), Apple's
    R&D is a measly 2% which we need to compare with Apple's MARKETING budget.
    *Why Does Apple Only Spend 2% of Its Money on R&D?*
    <https://techland.time.com/2011/10/18/why-does-apple-only-spend-2-of-its-money-on-rd/>

    With the highest marketing & lowest R&D, why should we be surprised that iOS 13, 14, & now 15 are a shit storm clusterfuck of unplanned patch releases?
    *Apple Confirms iOS 15 Zero-Day Exploitations*
    <https://www.securityweek.com/apple-confirms-ios-15-zero-day-exploitation>

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  • From Robin Goodfellow@21:1/5 to sms on Wed Oct 13 17:33:54 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> asked
    Why put resources into updating an old version of iOS? If you want to
    patch the security issues then you need to update to 15.0.2.

    *When are Apple customers going to read actual facts & not only web ads?*

    The few adults on this ng own cognitive skills apologists just don't have. <https://www.engadget.com/2014-02-12-a-look-at-apples-randd-expenditures-from-1995-2013.html>

    This makes sense, especially since Apple is all marketing and the least R&D
    by percent of revenue (even by total dollars than many high tech companies). <https://www.cultofmac.com/720505/apple-rd-spending-2020-compared-to-google-microsoft/>

    Given Apple doesn't fund R&D what they lavishly lather into marketing, it
    makes sense that Apple would need to fully stop all QA on older releases. <https://www.zdnet.com/article/apples-r-d-spending-hits-bottom-as-percentage-of-revenue/>

    Google proved huge portions of iOS have _never_ been tested, so it's not
    like Apple is putting _any_ effort into coding & QA of new releases either. <https://www.phonearena.com/news/analyst-says-apple-could-double-its-R-D-spending_id106625>

    With often only 2% of Apple's expenditures being on R&D, it's not surprising iOS used to consistently average a sordid one zero-day a month (which is why iOS 13 and 14 were veritable shit storms of unplanned patch releases). <https://techland.time.com/2011/10/18/why-does-apple-only-spend-2-of-its-money-on-rd/>

    But in 2021, Apple coded an astoundingly sick 17 zero-days already!
    *Apple IOS Zero-day Vulnerabilities Running Rampant in 2021*
    <https://heimdalsecurity.com/blog/apple-ios-zero-day-vulnerabilities-running-rampant-in-2021/>

    *When are Apple customers going to read actual facts & not only web ads?*
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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net on Wed Oct 13 14:55:42 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <sk75n4$d6f$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Robin Goodfellow <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:


    Methinks

    you don't

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  • From Robin Goodfellow@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Oct 14 02:58:17 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
    Methinks

    you don't

    It's revealing when apologists can't respond to facts like an _adult_ would.

    I'm eminently logical and reasonable nospam - I own adult cognitive skills.
    As a result, I try to find, understand, and then assess the bugfix facts.
    <https://heimdalsecurity.com/blog/apple-ios-zero-day-vulnerabilities-running-rampant-in-2021/>

    I process a ton of bugfix facts about Apple, Google, Microsoft, & Canonical. Which is why I'm not ignorant of the nature of their unplanned releases.
    <https://thehackernews.com/2021/10/apple-releases-urgent-iphone-and-ipad.html>

    Nobody has more unplanned zero-day bugfix emergency releases than does iOS. Nobody.
    <https://www.cyberscoop.com/ios-zero-day-zerodium-high-supply/>

    The question is why.

    The facts easily prove iOS 13, iOS 14, and now iOS 14 are a clusterfuck of unplanned bug fixes (there were 17 zero-day holes in iOS in 2021 alone!).
    <https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/apples-buggiest-ios-release-yet-introduces-more-bugs-in-ios-13-2-users-report-that-multitasking-is-now-dead-7608061.html>

    *iOS' sordid zero-day hole per month record just doubled to _two_ a month!*

    It's a fact Apple has the lowest R&D of all high tech, and it's a fact that
    the past three iOS releases were a clusterfuck of unplanned bugfix releases. <https://www.cultofmac.com/720505/apple-rd-spending-2020-compared-to-google-microsoft/>

    *Why do _you_ think those R&D & vulnerability facts are the case, nospam?*

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Robin Goodfellow on Thu Oct 14 11:13:27 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 10/13/2021 10:33 AM, Robin Goodfellow wrote:
    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> asked
    Why put resources into updating an old version of iOS? If you want to
    patch the security issues then you need to update to 15.0.2.


    <snip>

    You never responded to the question of why Apple should put resources
    into updating 14.x. Since all the devices that 14.x works on, 15.x also
    works on, it would be odd for Apple to put a lot of resources into
    updating old iOS versions.

    There is a valid reason that some iPhone owners don't want to upgrade to
    15.x but it's rather minor and involves only a small extra expense
    (unless it's an iPhone locked to AT&T, then iOS 15 is not an option for
    now).

    I ran into this issue with my iPhone Xr which is locked for a year to
    Total Wireless or other América Móvil brands (yeah, buying locked phones
    is bad, but it was $211.75, less than 1/3 of what it would otherwise
    cost new and unlocked). I bought an R-13 unlock SIM. It worked fine on
    iOS 14.x, I did the T-Mobile eSIM test drive on the Xr once it was
    unlocked, but the R-13 unlock SIM seller warned not to upgrade iOS or
    the unlock would stop working. So now I have to buy a new unlock r-SIM
    if I travel and want to buy a prepaid data eSIM (until one year is up
    and they will unlock the phone). I may not bother since I have no
    foreign travel planned and would be unlikely to do any such travel prior
    to when the one year is up. But it only costs $5-6 if I do want to buy
    another R-13 unlock SIM.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Thu Oct 14 14:42:08 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <sk9s09$2ki$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    You never responded to the question of why Apple should put resources
    into updating 14.x. Since all the devices that 14.x works on, 15.x also
    works on, it would be odd for Apple to put a lot of resources into
    updating old iOS versions.

    given that they've been updating ios 12 for several years and that they
    made ios 15 optional while remaining on ios 14, it's not odd that they
    would invest resources into both tracks.

    There is a valid reason that some iPhone owners don't want to upgrade to
    15.x but it's rather minor and involves only a small extra expense
    (unless it's an iPhone locked to AT&T, then iOS 15 is not an option for
    now).

    there are no valid reasons for remaining on ios 14.

    I ran into this issue with my iPhone Xr which is locked for a year to
    Total Wireless or other Amrica Mvil brands (yeah, buying locked phones
    is bad, but it was $211.75, less than 1/3 of what it would otherwise
    cost new and unlocked). I bought an R-13 unlock SIM. It worked fine on
    iOS 14.x, I did the T-Mobile eSIM test drive on the Xr once it was
    unlocked, but the R-13 unlock SIM seller warned not to upgrade iOS or
    the unlock would stop working.

    an unsupported 'unlock sim' is not a valid reason.

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  • From Lewis@21:1/5 to sms on Thu Oct 14 21:48:47 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <sk9s09$2ki$1@dont-email.me> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    You never responded to the question of why Apple should put resources
    into updating 14.x.

    The FACT is that Apple HAS updated 14.x, so why is irrelevant.

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  • From Robin Goodfellow@21:1/5 to sms on Thu Oct 14 23:33:21 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> asked
    You never responded to the question of why Apple should put resources
    into updating 14.x. Since all the devices that 14.x works on, 15.x also
    works on, it would be odd for Apple to put a lot of resources into
    updating old iOS versions.

    I'm not claiming Apple should put resources into any particular release so
    much as I'm saying Project Zero proved beyond any doubt (& Apple couldn't dispute the facts) *huge swaths of iOS code have _never_ been tested*.

    Hell... how do you think a 14 year old kid cracked Facetime wide open, and
    then Apple fixed a half dozen critical bugs when they finally _looked_ at
    the Facetime code (likely for the first time in depth!) within a month?

    Why do you think even Apple engineers and Craig Federighi himself complained that Apple needs to do a better job (your point that it's coding more so
    than QA is a fair assessment though - but the end result is the same).

    Why do you think iOS 13 was a record shitstorm of unplanned bugs (from the
    very start), as was iOS 14, and now iOS 15 is a similar clusterfuck of bugs?

    If Apple spent on R&D what Apple spends on Marketing, then I suspect the
    code wouldn't have (at this point) two zero-day vulnerabilities each month!

    There is a valid reason that some iPhone owners don't want to upgrade to
    15.x but it's rather minor and involves only a small extra expense
    (unless it's an iPhone locked to AT&T, then iOS 15 is not an option for
    now).

    Hell, if you asked me, only a supremely ignorant iOS owner would update to _any_ iOS release without waiting at least a year or two before doing so.

    There is nothing of value in almost any iOS release anyway, and, as you well know, the Safari situation is a clusterfuck in and of itself in iOS 15.

    I ran into this issue with my iPhone Xr which is locked for a year to
    Total Wireless or other Amrica Mvil brands (yeah, buying locked phones
    is bad, but it was $211.75, less than 1/3 of what it would otherwise
    cost new and unlocked).

    There's nothing wrong with locked phones, IMHO. I have 4 of them right now. When the two-year period is up, the first thing I do is have the carrier
    unlock them, which, for T-Mobile, is done ad hoc using an app on the phone.

    I bought an R-13 unlock SIM.

    I never heard of that until this moment, so, I'm googling as I type...

    <https://www.redmondpie.com/rsim-13-can-unlock-iphone-xs-xs-max-xr-x-on-ios-12-with-iccid-trick-heres-how/>
    "Use the latest R-SIM ICCID trick which is basically a SIM card that,
    once installed, unlocks the device by taking advantage of a flaw in
    Apples iOS. That means that this SIM can be installed, a few steps taken,
    and then any carriers SIM can be swapped back in to get it working as any
    other unlocked iPhone without any issues, regardless of which carrier it
    belongs to."

    "The R-SIM is now updated to v13 to support the latest iPhone XR
    and iPhone XS / XS Max"

    More info...
    <http://rsim5.com/productview.php?id=82> <https://geveystore.com/r-sim-13-instructions/> <https://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/f819/r-sim13-unlock-card-iphone-ios15-2988392/>
    <https://zerofy.ng/how-to-unlock-an-iphone-with-an-unlock-chip/>
    "The use of an unlock chip has become a prominent method to unlock
    an iPhone. For less than $15 you can say goodbye to the
    "Sim not Supported" prompt that hinders the usage of an iPhone"

    OK. I skimmed those.
    a. Apparently you pay around $15 & get an unlock SIM chip
    b. You put it in and punch a few buttons and it unlocks your iPhone
    c. The caveat is that each unlock SIM chip works with different iOS flaws

    Given the particular phone, and the particular iOS version, I can see you'd have to _match_ that to whatever iOS flaw the unlock SIM chip uses.

    It worked fine on
    iOS 14.x, I did the T-Mobile eSIM test drive on the Xr once it was
    unlocked, but the R-13 unlock SIM seller warned not to upgrade iOS or
    the unlock would stop working. So now I have to buy a new unlock r-SIM
    if I travel and want to buy a prepaid data eSIM (until one year is up
    and they will unlock the phone). I may not bother since I have no
    foreign travel planned and would be unlikely to do any such travel prior
    to when the one year is up. But it only costs $5-6 if I do want to buy another R-13 unlock SIM.

    I had never thought about the "R-13 unlock SIM" process before as I have
    simply unlocked my phones using an app on the phone when they're
    "paid off" (in my case, when the lien is over on the Androids and when the iPhone is paid off).

    Also I don't know about your carrier, but AFAIK, mine (T-Mobile) will temporarily unlock the phone if I tell them I'm traveling (but when I travel
    to Europe, the plan gives me unlimited everything but calls - which are 20 cents per minute - so I haven't needed to ask them for a temporary unlock).

    Does your carrier give you a temporary unlock?
    If so, wouldn't that solve the issue instantly?

    Otherwise, I can see, I think, why certain iOS releases are needed because
    the unlock SIM chips take advantage of different iOS flaws depending on the details of the phone, and the current iOS version on that phone.

    If these are dumb questions, please realize you have greater unlock
    knowledge than I have, since my experience in the past was the carrier sent
    an unlock sequence in the email, and more recently (starting a few years
    ago) the carrier allowed me to unlock it myself with an app on the phone
    after 40 days on my plan (that was with my Costco $130 LG Stylo 3 Plus).

    The $100 Moto G from Google came unlocked, but my handful of free Samsung Galaxy A32 5G phones and the new iPhone 12 mini are all locked right now.

    I don't do anything fancier than call T-Mobile to unlock, so I apologize for not fully comprehending your "R-13" process but skimming the information
    above I can see that the specific phone & iOS version matters greatly for
    that process because it takes advantage of flaws in iOS Apple didn't fix.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Tue Oct 26 15:08:52 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <sk9s09$2ki$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    You never responded to the question of why Apple should put resources
    into updating 14.x. Since all the devices that 14.x works on, 15.x also
    works on, it would be odd for Apple to put a lot of resources into
    updating old iOS versions.

    it's not odd at all.

    14.* is on a separate track and 14.8.1 was released today.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT212868>
    About the security content of iOS 14.8.1 and iPadOS 14.8.1

    once again, you're wrong.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Oct 27 01:50:44 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    In comp.mobile.ipad nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <sk9s09$2ki$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    You never responded to the question of why Apple should put resources
    into updating 14.x. Since all the devices that 14.x works on, 15.x also works on, it would be odd for Apple to put a lot of resources into
    updating old iOS versions.

    it's not odd at all.

    14.* is on a separate track and 14.8.1 was released today.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT212868>
    About the security content of iOS 14.8.1 and iPadOS 14.8.1

    once again, you're wrong.

    I wonder if Apple will still release fixes for v12.
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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to ant@zimage.comANT on Wed Oct 27 06:59:42 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <wNqdndznQNNZa-X8nZ2dnUU7-SOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:


    I wonder if Apple will still release fixes for v12.

    most likely, although at some point, it will stop.

    they're each on separate tracks and are not necessarily released at
    exactly the same time.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Ant on Wed Oct 27 11:38:43 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 27/10/2021 07:50, Ant wrote:
    In comp.mobile.ipad nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <sk9s09$2ki$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    You never responded to the question of why Apple should put resources
    into updating 14.x. Since all the devices that 14.x works on, 15.x also
    works on, it would be odd for Apple to put a lot of resources into
    updating old iOS versions.

    it's not odd at all.

    14.* is on a separate track and 14.8.1 was released today.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT212868>
    About the security content of iOS 14.8.1 and iPadOS 14.8.1

    once again, you're wrong.

    I wonder if Apple will still release fixes for v12.

    No need to wonder. There have been five updates this year so far. https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201222

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  • From Lewis@21:1/5 to Ant on Wed Oct 27 13:35:39 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <wNqdndznQNNZa-X8nZ2dnUU7-SOdnZ2d@earthlink.com> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    In comp.mobile.ipad nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <sk9s09$2ki$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    You never responded to the question of why Apple should put resources
    into updating 14.x. Since all the devices that 14.x works on, 15.x also
    works on, it would be odd for Apple to put a lot of resources into
    updating old iOS versions.

    it's not odd at all.

    14.* is on a separate track and 14.8.1 was released today.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT212868>
    About the security content of iOS 14.8.1 and iPadOS 14.8.1

    once again, you're wrong.

    I wonder if Apple will still release fixes for v12.

    They just did a few weeks ago.


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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Lewis on Wed Oct 27 09:23:23 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    In misc.phone.mobile.iphone Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
    In message <wNqdndznQNNZa-X8nZ2dnUU7-SOdnZ2d@earthlink.com> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    In comp.mobile.ipad nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <sk9s09$2ki$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    You never responded to the question of why Apple should put resources
    into updating 14.x. Since all the devices that 14.x works on, 15.x also >> > works on, it would be odd for Apple to put a lot of resources into
    updating old iOS versions.

    it's not odd at all.

    14.* is on a separate track and 14.8.1 was released today.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT212868>
    About the security content of iOS 14.8.1 and iPadOS 14.8.1

    once again, you're wrong.

    I wonder if Apple will still release fixes for v12.

    They just did a few weeks ago.

    I meant the future.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Chris on Wed Oct 27 09:23:05 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In misc.phone.mobile.iphone Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 27/10/2021 07:50, Ant wrote:
    In comp.mobile.ipad nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <sk9s09$2ki$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    You never responded to the question of why Apple should put resources
    into updating 14.x. Since all the devices that 14.x works on, 15.x also >>> works on, it would be odd for Apple to put a lot of resources into
    updating old iOS versions.

    it's not odd at all.

    14.* is on a separate track and 14.8.1 was released today.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT212868>
    About the security content of iOS 14.8.1 and iPadOS 14.8.1

    once again, you're wrong.

    I wonder if Apple will still release fixes for v12.

    No need to wonder. There have been five updates this year so far. https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201222

    I meant the future.
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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Ant on Thu Oct 28 03:05:55 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    In misc.phone.mobile.iphone Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 27/10/2021 07:50, Ant wrote:
    In comp.mobile.ipad nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <sk9s09$2ki$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    You never responded to the question of why Apple should put resources >>>>> into updating 14.x. Since all the devices that 14.x works on, 15.x also >>>>> works on, it would be odd for Apple to put a lot of resources into
    updating old iOS versions.

    it's not odd at all.

    14.* is on a separate track and 14.8.1 was released today.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT212868>
    About the security content of iOS 14.8.1 and iPadOS 14.8.1

    once again, you're wrong.

    I wonder if Apple will still release fixes for v12.

    No need to wonder. There have been five updates this year so far.
    https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201222

    I meant the future.

    Probably but only for the most necessary fixes.

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