• Apple is effectively marketing "slum tools" for people who live in slum

    From Wally J@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 23 14:13:41 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    Apple marketing is brilliant, by almost all accounts.
    <https://squeezegrowth.com/apple-marketing-strategy/>

    As Apple is a marketing powerhouse, much like Big Tobacco & Big Soda is.
    <https://www.forbes.com/sites/timbajarin/2021/06/02/understanding-apples-formula-for-success/>
    Where Apple knows _exactly_ whom to sell to & with what messaging.

    Hence, this is expected to be an intelligent conversation based on facts
    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/03/14/apple-shows-off-new-yellow-iphone-14-color-in-hello-yellow-ad>
    (given most advertising targets a certain type of person's feelings).
    <https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/here-why-apples-hello-yellow-campaign-most-persuasive-marketing>

    FACT: <https://vimeo.com/808494859>
    OBSERVATION: The video literally exudes whom Apple markets to.

    Apple marketing is brilliant at targeting people who live in slums.
    (Note very clearly what is being marketed - look carefully please.)
    <https://www.start.io/blog/apple-target-market-analysis-apple-demographics-marketing-strategy-competitors/>

    Witness this marketing campaign: <https://vimeo.com/808494859>
    What do _you_ think Apple is marketing the "feeling" of in that?

    If anyone here has taken basic marketing, you'll note that the
    advertisement literally exudes whom Apple markets this phone to.
    <https://www.division.global/videos/iphone-14>

    Bearing in mind Apple markets mostly to people who live in the slums
    <https://thestrategystory.com/2021/08/22/apple-marketing-advertising-strategy-mix/>
    What do _you_ think is Apple's main targeted customer based on the facts?
    <https://www.interviewarea.com/q-and-a/how-does-apple-target-their-customers> --
    When you look at Apple's advertisements, you know whom Apple targets.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Wally J on Sat Dec 23 10:15:20 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    You should have your smart mouth bitch-slapped...

    ...a lot.


    On 2023-12-23 10:13, Wally J wrote:
    Apple marketing is brilliant, by almost all accounts.
    <https://squeezegrowth.com/apple-marketing-strategy/>

    As Apple is a marketing powerhouse, much like Big Tobacco & Big Soda is.
    <https://www.forbes.com/sites/timbajarin/2021/06/02/understanding-apples-formula-for-success/>
    Where Apple knows _exactly_ whom to sell to & with what messaging.

    Hence, this is expected to be an intelligent conversation based on facts
    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/03/14/apple-shows-off-new-yellow-iphone-14-color-in-hello-yellow-ad>
    (given most advertising targets a certain type of person's feelings).
    <https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/here-why-apples-hello-yellow-campaign-most-persuasive-marketing>

    FACT: <https://vimeo.com/808494859>
    OBSERVATION: The video literally exudes whom Apple markets to.

    Apple marketing is brilliant at targeting people who live in slums.
    (Note very clearly what is being marketed - look carefully please.)
    <https://www.start.io/blog/apple-target-market-analysis-apple-demographics-marketing-strategy-competitors/>

    Witness this marketing campaign: <https://vimeo.com/808494859>
    What do _you_ think Apple is marketing the "feeling" of in that?

    If anyone here has taken basic marketing, you'll note that the
    advertisement literally exudes whom Apple markets this phone to.
    <https://www.division.global/videos/iphone-14>

    Bearing in mind Apple markets mostly to people who live in the slums
    <https://thestrategystory.com/2021/08/22/apple-marketing-advertising-strategy-mix/>
    What do _you_ think is Apple's main targeted customer based on the facts?
    <https://www.interviewarea.com/q-and-a/how-does-apple-target-their-customers>

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to Wally J on Sun Dec 24 06:15:48 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
    Apple marketing is brilliant, by almost all accounts.
    <https://squeezegrowth.com/apple-marketing-strategy/>

    As Apple is a marketing powerhouse, much like Big Tobacco & Big Soda is.
    <https://www.forbes.com/sites/timbajarin/2021/06/02/understanding-apples-formula-for-success/>
    Where Apple knows _exactly_ whom to sell to & with what messaging.

    Hence, this is expected to be an intelligent conversation based on facts
    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/03/14/apple-shows-off-new-yellow-iphone-14-color-in-hello-yellow-ad>
    (given most advertising targets a certain type of person's feelings).
    <https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/here-why-apples-hello-yellow-campaign-most-persuasive-marketing>

    FACT: <https://vimeo.com/808494859>
    OBSERVATION: The video literally exudes whom Apple markets to.

    Apple marketing is brilliant at targeting people who live in slums.
    (Note very clearly what is being marketed - look carefully please.)
    <https://www.start.io/blog/apple-target-market-analysis-apple-demographics-marketing-strategy-competitors/>

    Witness this marketing campaign: <https://vimeo.com/808494859>
    What do _you_ think Apple is marketing the "feeling" of in that?

    If anyone here has taken basic marketing, you'll note that the
    advertisement literally exudes whom Apple markets this phone to.
    <https://www.division.global/videos/iphone-14>

    Bearing in mind Apple markets mostly to people who live in the slums
    <https://thestrategystory.com/2021/08/22/apple-marketing-advertising-strategy-mix/>
    What do _you_ think is Apple's main targeted customer based on the facts?
    <https://www.interviewarea.com/q-and-a/how-does-apple-target-their-customers>

    Racist pig Arlen. No surprise. He already others based on the statistically suspect Dunning Kruger effect that he is incapable to realize has flaws
    given his pseudointellectual tendencies.

    He criticizes Alan who is an expert in teaching of car racing skills
    because Arlen allegedly knows more than anyone else about everything.
    Braggart knuckledragger. Arlen is the punchline of the joke he starts but can’t finish.

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to ecphoric@allspamis.invalid on Sun Dec 24 13:37:22 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.apps

    *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote

    Racist pig.

    The child-like uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks lack the basic adult
    capacity to comprehend even the simplest of concepts such as a catenary.

    Nor can these child-like uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks comprehend that everyone (yes, everyone!) fits in one of the D-K test results quartiles.

    Given those two facts, how could anyone have expected these child-like uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks to comprehend Apple's marketing strategy?

    No surprise.

    Actually, I'm surprised you're the only one who responded that way, as you
    are already on record for making guesses as to what's in the cites, without ever bothering to look at the cites.

    There were two types of cites in the OP:
    1. The first type were examples of Apple's marketing
    2. The second type were _analysis_ of Apple's marketing

    He already others based on the statistically
    suspect Dunning Kruger effect that he is incapable to realize has flaws
    given his pseudointellectual tendencies.

    What I said about D-K was I read (and understood) the seminal papers.
    You did not.

    What you don't understand, for example, is everyone fits on the D-K scale. That's why they have those quartile markers.

    You have noticed the D-K quartile markers, Hemidactylus, haven't you?
    What do _you_ think they're there for?

    He criticizes Alan who is an expert in teaching of car racing skills
    because he allegedly knows more than anyone else about everything.

    Now you're being too nice to me, Hemidactylus, in praising my skills.
    I clearly stated I know nothing about racing. I said I understood bimmers.

    Once you're well educated, you learn enough to know two important things:
    a. Other well educated people know more than you do in their fields, and,
    b. You can easily apply your vast education to other fields (e.g., racing).

    What I _said_ was that the catenary is a specific shape for an extremely important reason, having all to do with Newtonian forces in nature.

    As such, it's one of the most important curves possible in racing circuits,
    and the fact that someone quoted Alan Baker as saying he's never even heard
    of the catenary, is a problem because an "expert" isn't that ignorant.

    Braggart knuckledragger.

    I realize all you iKooks lack education so your only defense to knowledge
    that everyone else has attained except you, is to try to insult them.

    But wouldn't it be better if you took a Physics or Calculus class and
    simply learned what a catenary is and how it applies to racing circuits?

    He is the punchline of the joke he starts but can't finish.

    What's patently clear is you do not know what a catenary is, Hemidactylus. Therefore, you do not know how a catenary applies to the forces of nature.
    Nor, as a result, are you aware of how those forces apply to racing.

    The fact that EVERYONE on the planet who has taken a Physics or Calculus
    class knows EXACTLY what a catenary is - and you and Alan Baker do not -
    is the reason that your only response to facts is to try to insult the
    bearer.

    Instead of claiming I am a "knuckedragger" because _you_ don't know what a catenary is... why don't you - instead - look up how a catenary applies
    the Newtonian forces of nature to the teaching of proper racing circuits).
    --
    The child-like uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks lack the basic adult
    capacity to comprehend even the simplest of concepts such as a catenary.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Wally J on Sun Dec 24 09:49:09 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.apps

    On 2023-12-24 09:37, Wally J wrote:
    *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote

    Racist pig.

    The child-like uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks lack the basic adult capacity to comprehend even the simplest of concepts such as a catenary.

    Wait...

    ...I thought it was ME who couldn't understand what a catenary


    Nor can these child-like uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks comprehend that everyone (yes, everyone!) fits in one of the D-K test results quartiles.

    Given those two facts, how could anyone have expected these child-like uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks to comprehend Apple's marketing strategy?

    No surprise.

    Actually, I'm surprised you're the only one who responded that way, as you are already on record for making guesses as to what's in the cites, without ever bothering to look at the cites.

    There were two types of cites in the OP:
    1. The first type were examples of Apple's marketing
    2. The second type were _analysis_ of Apple's marketing

    He already others based on the statistically
    suspect Dunning Kruger effect that he is incapable to realize has flaws
    given his pseudointellectual tendencies.

    What I said about D-K was I read (and understood) the seminal papers.
    You did not.

    What you don't understand, for example, is everyone fits on the D-K scale. That's why they have those quartile markers.

    You have noticed the D-K quartile markers, Hemidactylus, haven't you?
    What do _you_ think they're there for?

    He criticizes Alan who is an expert in teaching of car racing skills
    because he allegedly knows more than anyone else about everything.

    Now you're being too nice to me, Hemidactylus, in praising my skills.
    I clearly stated I know nothing about racing. I said I understood bimmers.

    Once you're well educated, you learn enough to know two important things:
    a. Other well educated people know more than you do in their fields, and,
    b. You can easily apply your vast education to other fields (e.g., racing).

    What I _said_ was that the catenary is a specific shape for an extremely important reason, having all to do with Newtonian forces in nature.

    And an object that is supporting it's own weight in a (semi-)continuous manner...

    ...which isn't anything a racing car is doing when it goes around a corner.


    As such, it's one of the most important curves possible in racing circuits, and the fact that someone quoted Alan Baker as saying he's never even heard of the catenary, is a problem because an "expert" isn't that ignorant.

    Not one of the instructors I've worked with...

    ...dozens...

    ...nor any of the books on race driving

    ...has ever mentioned it.


    Braggart knuckledragger.

    I realize all you iKooks lack education so your only defense to knowledge that everyone else has attained except you, is to try to insult them.

    But wouldn't it be better if you took a Physics or Calculus class and
    simply learned what a catenary is and how it applies to racing circuits?

    He is the punchline of the joke he starts but can't finish.

    What's patently clear is you do not know what a catenary is, Hemidactylus. Therefore, you do not know how a catenary applies to the forces of nature. Nor, as a result, are you aware of how those forces apply to racing.

    The fact that EVERYONE on the planet who has taken a Physics or Calculus class knows EXACTLY what a catenary is - and you and Alan Baker do not -
    is the reason that your only response to facts is to try to insult the bearer.

    I know exactly what a catenary is...

    ...and I learned it when I studied physics and calculus...

    ...in both high school AND university.


    Instead of claiming I am a "knuckedragger" because _you_ don't know what a catenary is... why don't you - instead - look up how a catenary applies
    the Newtonian forces of nature to the teaching of proper racing circuits).

    It doesn't. That isn't the curve a racing vehicle takes around a corner.

    If you ask nicely, I'll tell you what is.

    :-)

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Dec 24 21:10:49 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.apps

    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-12-24 09:37, Wally J wrote:
    *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote

    Racist pig.

    The child-like uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks lack the basic adult
    capacity to comprehend even the simplest of concepts such as a catenary.

    Wait...

    ...I thought it was ME who couldn't understand what a catenary


    Nor can these child-like uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks comprehend that >> everyone (yes, everyone!) fits in one of the D-K test results quartiles.

    Given those two facts, how could anyone have expected these child-like
    uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks to comprehend Apple's marketing strategy? >>
    No surprise.

    Actually, I'm surprised you're the only one who responded that way, as you >> are already on record for making guesses as to what's in the cites, without >> ever bothering to look at the cites.

    There were two types of cites in the OP:
    1. The first type were examples of Apple's marketing
    2. The second type were _analysis_ of Apple's marketing

    He already others based on the statistically
    suspect Dunning Kruger effect that he is incapable to realize has flaws
    given his pseudointellectual tendencies.

    What I said about D-K was I read (and understood) the seminal papers.
    You did not.

    What you don't understand, for example, is everyone fits on the D-K scale. >> That's why they have those quartile markers.

    You have noticed the D-K quartile markers, Hemidactylus, haven't you?
    What do _you_ think they're there for?

    He criticizes Alan who is an expert in teaching of car racing skills
    because he allegedly knows more than anyone else about everything.

    Now you're being too nice to me, Hemidactylus, in praising my skills.
    I clearly stated I know nothing about racing. I said I understood bimmers. >>
    Once you're well educated, you learn enough to know two important things:
    a. Other well educated people know more than you do in their fields, and,
    b. You can easily apply your vast education to other fields (e.g., racing). >>
    What I _said_ was that the catenary is a specific shape for an extremely
    important reason, having all to do with Newtonian forces in nature.

    And an object that is supporting it's own weight in a (semi-)continuous manner...

    ...which isn't anything a racing car is doing when it goes around a corner.


    As such, it's one of the most important curves possible in racing circuits, >> and the fact that someone quoted Alan Baker as saying he's never even heard >> of the catenary, is a problem because an "expert" isn't that ignorant.

    Not one of the instructors I've worked with...

    ...dozens...

    ...nor any of the books on race driving

    ...has ever mentioned it.


    Braggart knuckledragger.

    I realize all you iKooks lack education so your only defense to knowledge
    that everyone else has attained except you, is to try to insult them.

    But wouldn't it be better if you took a Physics or Calculus class and
    simply learned what a catenary is and how it applies to racing circuits?

    He is the punchline of the joke he starts but can't finish.

    What's patently clear is you do not know what a catenary is, Hemidactylus. >> Therefore, you do not know how a catenary applies to the forces of nature. >> Nor, as a result, are you aware of how those forces apply to racing.

    The fact that EVERYONE on the planet who has taken a Physics or Calculus
    class knows EXACTLY what a catenary is - and you and Alan Baker do not -
    is the reason that your only response to facts is to try to insult the
    bearer.

    I know exactly what a catenary is...

    ...and I learned it when I studied physics and calculus...

    ...in both high school AND university.


    Instead of claiming I am a "knuckedragger" because _you_ don't know what a >> catenary is... why don't you - instead - look up how a catenary applies
    the Newtonian forces of nature to the teaching of proper racing circuits).

    It doesn't. That isn't the curve a racing vehicle takes around a corner.

    If you ask nicely, I'll tell you what is.

    :-)

    Given I know a thing or two about lateral genetic transfer in bacteria and immunology in humans he just wound up flying into my cobweb. I lack
    advanced degrees though.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Chris on Sun Dec 24 14:55:30 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.apps

    On 2023-12-24 14:41, Chris wrote:
    *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-12-24 09:37, Wally J wrote:
    *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote

    Racist pig.

    The child-like uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks lack the basic adult
    capacity to comprehend even the simplest of concepts such as a catenary. >>>
    Wait...

    ...I thought it was ME who couldn't understand what a catenary


    Nor can these child-like uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks comprehend that >>>> everyone (yes, everyone!) fits in one of the D-K test results quartiles. >>>>
    Given those two facts, how could anyone have expected these child-like >>>> uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks to comprehend Apple's marketing strategy?

    No surprise.

    Actually, I'm surprised you're the only one who responded that way, as you >>>> are already on record for making guesses as to what's in the cites, without
    ever bothering to look at the cites.

    There were two types of cites in the OP:
    1. The first type were examples of Apple's marketing
    2. The second type were _analysis_ of Apple's marketing

    He already others based on the statistically
    suspect Dunning Kruger effect that he is incapable to realize has flaws >>>>> given his pseudointellectual tendencies.

    What I said about D-K was I read (and understood) the seminal papers.
    You did not.

    What you don't understand, for example, is everyone fits on the D-K scale. >>>> That's why they have those quartile markers.

    You have noticed the D-K quartile markers, Hemidactylus, haven't you?
    What do _you_ think they're there for?

    He criticizes Alan who is an expert in teaching of car racing skills >>>>> because he allegedly knows more than anyone else about everything.

    Now you're being too nice to me, Hemidactylus, in praising my skills.
    I clearly stated I know nothing about racing. I said I understood bimmers. >>>>
    Once you're well educated, you learn enough to know two important things: >>>> a. Other well educated people know more than you do in their fields, and, >>>> b. You can easily apply your vast education to other fields (e.g., racing).

    What I _said_ was that the catenary is a specific shape for an extremely >>>> important reason, having all to do with Newtonian forces in nature.

    And an object that is supporting it's own weight in a (semi-)continuous
    manner...

    ...which isn't anything a racing car is doing when it goes around a corner. >>>

    As such, it's one of the most important curves possible in racing circuits,
    and the fact that someone quoted Alan Baker as saying he's never even heard
    of the catenary, is a problem because an "expert" isn't that ignorant.

    Not one of the instructors I've worked with...

    ...dozens...

    ...nor any of the books on race driving

    ...has ever mentioned it.


    Braggart knuckledragger.

    I realize all you iKooks lack education so your only defense to knowledge >>>> that everyone else has attained except you, is to try to insult them.

    But wouldn't it be better if you took a Physics or Calculus class and
    simply learned what a catenary is and how it applies to racing circuits? >>>>
    He is the punchline of the joke he starts but can't finish.

    What's patently clear is you do not know what a catenary is, Hemidactylus. >>>> Therefore, you do not know how a catenary applies to the forces of nature. >>>> Nor, as a result, are you aware of how those forces apply to racing.

    The fact that EVERYONE on the planet who has taken a Physics or Calculus >>>> class knows EXACTLY what a catenary is - and you and Alan Baker do not - >>>> is the reason that your only response to facts is to try to insult the >>>> bearer.

    I know exactly what a catenary is...

    ...and I learned it when I studied physics and calculus...

    ...in both high school AND university.


    Instead of claiming I am a "knuckedragger" because _you_ don't know what a >>>> catenary is... why don't you - instead - look up how a catenary applies >>>> the Newtonian forces of nature to the teaching of proper racing circuits). >>>
    It doesn't. That isn't the curve a racing vehicle takes around a corner. >>>
    If you ask nicely, I'll tell you what is.

    :-)

    Given I know a thing or two about lateral genetic transfer in bacteria and >> immunology in humans he just wound up flying into my cobweb. I lack
    advanced degrees though.

    So does he. He has read some (old) books apparently and is able to take pictures of them.


    It looks more and more like Arlen simply encounters one book or paper
    (or something) and whatever that first thing says on a particular
    subject becomes his gospel forevermore.

    :-)

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Dec 24 23:18:30 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.apps

    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-12-24 14:41, Chris wrote:
    *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-12-24 09:37, Wally J wrote:
    *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote

    Racist pig.

    The child-like uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks lack the basic adult >>>>> capacity to comprehend even the simplest of concepts such as a catenary. >>>>
    Wait...

    ...I thought it was ME who couldn't understand what a catenary


    Nor can these child-like uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks comprehend that
    everyone (yes, everyone!) fits in one of the D-K test results quartiles. >>>>>
    Given those two facts, how could anyone have expected these child-like >>>>> uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks to comprehend Apple's marketing strategy?

    No surprise.

    Actually, I'm surprised you're the only one who responded that way, as you
    are already on record for making guesses as to what's in the cites, without
    ever bothering to look at the cites.

    There were two types of cites in the OP:
    1. The first type were examples of Apple's marketing
    2. The second type were _analysis_ of Apple's marketing

    He already others based on the statistically
    suspect Dunning Kruger effect that he is incapable to realize has flaws >>>>>> given his pseudointellectual tendencies.

    What I said about D-K was I read (and understood) the seminal papers. >>>>> You did not.

    What you don't understand, for example, is everyone fits on the D-K scale.
    That's why they have those quartile markers.

    You have noticed the D-K quartile markers, Hemidactylus, haven't you? >>>>> What do _you_ think they're there for?

    He criticizes Alan who is an expert in teaching of car racing skills >>>>>> because he allegedly knows more than anyone else about everything.

    Now you're being too nice to me, Hemidactylus, in praising my skills. >>>>> I clearly stated I know nothing about racing. I said I understood bimmers.

    Once you're well educated, you learn enough to know two important things: >>>>> a. Other well educated people know more than you do in their fields, and, >>>>> b. You can easily apply your vast education to other fields (e.g., racing).

    What I _said_ was that the catenary is a specific shape for an extremely >>>>> important reason, having all to do with Newtonian forces in nature.

    And an object that is supporting it's own weight in a (semi-)continuous >>>> manner...

    ...which isn't anything a racing car is doing when it goes around a corner.


    As such, it's one of the most important curves possible in racing circuits,
    and the fact that someone quoted Alan Baker as saying he's never even heard
    of the catenary, is a problem because an "expert" isn't that ignorant. >>>>
    Not one of the instructors I've worked with...

    ...dozens...

    ...nor any of the books on race driving

    ...has ever mentioned it.


    Braggart knuckledragger.

    I realize all you iKooks lack education so your only defense to knowledge >>>>> that everyone else has attained except you, is to try to insult them. >>>>>
    But wouldn't it be better if you took a Physics or Calculus class and >>>>> simply learned what a catenary is and how it applies to racing circuits? >>>>>
    He is the punchline of the joke he starts but can't finish.

    What's patently clear is you do not know what a catenary is, Hemidactylus.
    Therefore, you do not know how a catenary applies to the forces of nature.
    Nor, as a result, are you aware of how those forces apply to racing. >>>>>
    The fact that EVERYONE on the planet who has taken a Physics or Calculus >>>>> class knows EXACTLY what a catenary is - and you and Alan Baker do not - >>>>> is the reason that your only response to facts is to try to insult the >>>>> bearer.

    I know exactly what a catenary is...

    ...and I learned it when I studied physics and calculus...

    ...in both high school AND university.


    Instead of claiming I am a "knuckedragger" because _you_ don't know what a
    catenary is... why don't you - instead - look up how a catenary applies >>>>> the Newtonian forces of nature to the teaching of proper racing circuits).

    It doesn't. That isn't the curve a racing vehicle takes around a corner. >>>>
    If you ask nicely, I'll tell you what is.

    :-)

    Given I know a thing or two about lateral genetic transfer in bacteria and >>> immunology in humans he just wound up flying into my cobweb. I lack
    advanced degrees though.

    So does he. He has read some (old) books apparently and is able to take
    pictures of them.


    It looks more and more like Arlen simply encounters one book or paper
    (or something) and whatever that first thing says on a particular
    subject becomes his gospel forevermore.

    :-)

    There is a controversy in psychology on what the alleged Dunning Kruger
    effect actually is and not only is Arlen avoiding that I doubt the
    originators intended for it to be weaponized as it has been. Sad state
    really.

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to ecphoric@allspamis.invalid on Mon Dec 25 00:26:56 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.apps

    *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote

    Given I know a thing or two about lateral genetic transfer in bacteria and immunology in humans he just wound up flying into my cobweb. I lack
    advanced degrees though.

    Wait. Didn't Chris just moments ago say he knows about immunology?
    <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/9eiX08J_g_w/m/UYq6FGk7BAAJ>
    From: Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 00:43:49 -0000 (UTC)
    Message-ID: <umaj85$2ot4c$1@dont-email.me>
    BTW horizontal gene transfer (or inheritance) is quite well established
    in the microbiology literature. Not just for antibiotic resistance.

    Something must be going around...
    --
    A handful of Coronaviridae are known to cause about 1/3rd of all common
    colds, while it takes hundreds of other viruses to cause the other 2/3rds.

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to ecphoric@allspamis.invalid on Mon Dec 25 00:50:27 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.apps

    *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote

    There is a controversy in psychology on what the alleged Dunning Kruger effect actually is and not only is Arlen avoiding that I doubt the originators intended for it to be weaponized as it has been. Sad state really.

    Hi Hemidactylus,

    I study the strange iKooks, who, let's be clear, constantly fabricate
    imaginary functionality for iOS that simply does not exist (& never has).

    However... perhaps you (and maybe even Chris) do have the functional
    capacity to understand whom Apple aims its marketing campaigns at, and,
    what those analysis I posted in the original post say about that.

    Given I just read a sentient sentence moments ago from you on immunology,
    I'm going to speak with you in this post as if you're _not_ an iKook. OK?

    My point of contention with you deprecating the D-K effect wasn't that you deprecated the D-K effect; it was that you deprecated it without
    understanding it. That's a _big_ difference.

    You know there's a well-known professor, John Mearsheimer, and another just-as-well-known professor, Steven Kotkin, both of whom speak about the origins of the current war in Ukraine, where I disagree with Mearsheimer
    and I almost completely agree with Kotkin - but - I accept that both of
    them are starting from the same data points - in that they understand the Russian psyche and Russian history and the Russian mentality.

    My point is that I can agree or disagree with someone, but I respect their acumen, as they've shown that they understand the basics of the situation.

    When you deprecated D-K and in the next sentences you told me they didn't
    test English Grammar results, I instantly knew you lied about having read
    the seminal papers (simply because they _did_ test students on that).

    I knew you were lying, and yet, you were trying to claim you understood the
    D-K effect, where you did not then (and still do not now) show any comprehension that EVERYONE fits on the Dunning-Kruger scales - which is
    why I had mentioned the iKooks are to the left of the first quartile.

    Then you ridiculed Mount Stupid, as if I had claimed I came up with it,
    when in fact, those graphs are clearly an extrapolation of the D-K data.

    In my own posts about Mount Stupid, in fact, I also supplied the D-K
    graphs, which (as you noted) look nothing directly like the Mount Stupid
    ones - but the difference here is I understood what BOTH were trying to
    convey.

    You did not, and there is still no indication that you do understand them.

    Remember always that the iKooks lie all the time (e.g., Jolly Roger claims Apple fully patches all releases when Apple simply does not do that), so it
    was clear to me you were lying when you claimed to have read the seminal papers.

    Hence, you can't possibly _dispute_ them since you never even read them.

    Moving forward, I treat Usenet as water under the bridge. If you earn my respect by showing you actually _understand_ what the D-K effect tries to portray, then (and only then) is it possible for you to refute that effect.
    --
    The iKooks must, by their very nature, hang out with people who are not
    well educated because their excuses are so easily destroyed with facts.

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Chris on Mon Dec 25 00:35:16 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.apps

    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote

    Given I know a thing or two about lateral genetic transfer in bacteria and >> immunology in humans he just wound up flying into my cobweb. I lack
    advanced degrees though.

    So does he. He has read some (old) books apparently and is able to take pictures of them.

    I don't care who says something as long as what they say makes sense.

    While the iKooks ridiculing of textbooks simply shows they lack a college education, I respect people who make sensible assessments of facts, so I
    just want to state that "lateral genetic transfer" is something a scientist would say, so kudos to Hemidactylus, and kudos also to Chris who said "horizontal gene transfer is quite well established", both of which are sentient statements.

    Assuming, a priori, that they weren't cropped out of a google search...

    I'm actually shocked.
    In a good way.

    Most of the time, the iKooks are claiming there are apps which do things
    when those apps don't exist (e.g., the infamous Wi-Fi debugging apps)
    *It's a fact iOS devices can't even graph Wi-Fi signal strength over time*
    <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/PZuec56EWB0>
    <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/PZuec56EWB0> Where Snit made this infamous video proving he's inconscionably stupid:
    <https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo> iKooks can't even see the fatal flaw!

    Yet, here we are, on an Apple newsgroup, where both Chris and Hemidactylus actually formed logically sensible statements about genetic transfer mechanisms. I'm shocked. I'm impressed.

    Let's hope the respect you just gained remains in your response.

    Where knowledge of genetics and immunology matters is when we discuss
    Covid, and in particular, how SARS-CoV-2 is a formidable adversary.
    --
    Sometimes I forget that the iKooks are actual living human beings.

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  • From WolfFan@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Mon Dec 25 11:06:56 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On Dec 23, 2023, Rod Speed wrote
    (in article <op.2gfotpzvbyq249@pvr2.lan>):

    On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:13:41 +1100, Wally J<walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:

    Apple marketing is brilliant, by almost all accounts. <https://squeezegrowth.com/apple-marketing-strategy/>

    As Apple is a marketing powerhouse, much like Big Tobacco & Big Soda is. <https://www.forbes.com/sites/timbajarin/2021/06/02/understanding-apples-for
    mula-for-success/>
    Where Apple knows _exactly_ whom to sell to & with what messaging.

    Hence, this is expected to be an intelligent conversation based on facts <https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/03/14/apple-shows-off-new-yellow-iphon
    e-14-color-in-hello-yellow-ad>
    (given most advertising targets a certain type of person's feelings). <https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/here-why-apples-hello-yellow-campaign-most-p
    ersuasive-marketing>

    FACT: <https://vimeo.com/808494859>
    OBSERVATION: The video literally exudes whom Apple markets to.

    Apple marketing is brilliant at targeting people who live in slums.
    (Note very clearly what is being marketed - look carefully please.) <https://www.start.io/blog/apple-target-market-analysis-apple-demographics-m
    arketing-strategy-competitors/>

    Witness this marketing campaign:<https://vimeo.com/808494859>
    What do _you_ think Apple is marketing the "feeling" of in that?

    If anyone here has taken basic marketing, you'll note that the advertisement literally exudes whom Apple markets this phone to. <https://www.division.global/videos/iphone-14>

    Bearing in mind Apple markets mostly to people who live in the slums

    BULLSHIT

    Damn. Didn’t Arlen just get through ‘proving’ that iPhones are
    hideously expensive? Slum dwellers can afford hideously expensive phones and use them in preference to nice cheap Android phones, eh? Is Android so bad
    that it loses sales despite being cheaper and having all of the features that Arlen says it has but iPhones don’t?

    Is Arlen on crack?


    <https://thestrategystory.com/2021/08/22/apple-marketing-advertising-strateg
    y-mix/>
    What do _you_ think is Apple's main targeted customer based on the facts? <https://www.interviewarea.com/q-and-a/how-does-apple-target-their-customers

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to WolfFan on Tue Dec 26 02:57:11 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 25/12/2023, WolfFan wrote:

    Slum dwellers can afford hideously expensive phones

    Did you watch Apple's video?
    Apple is telling you in that video that they market to people in slums.

    The guy walking through the slums with the yellow iPhone was wearing thick
    gold chains and gaudy watches and fancy suits/shoes to pretend to be rich.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Apple didn't advertise him with a gold front
    tooth since the only thing Apple advertised was the guy bought or stole
    that phone so that everyone else in the slum would look up at him in awe.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andrew on Mon Dec 25 20:19:10 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-12-25 18:57, Andrew wrote:
    On 25/12/2023, WolfFan wrote:

    Slum dwellers can afford hideously expensive phones

    Did you watch Apple's video?
    Apple is telling you in that video that they market to people in slums.

    The guy walking through the slums with the yellow iPhone was wearing thick gold chains and gaudy watches and fancy suits/shoes to pretend to be rich.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Apple didn't advertise him with a gold front
    tooth since the only thing Apple advertised was the guy bought or stole
    that phone so that everyone else in the slum would look up at him in awe.

    Give us a link to that video...

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  • From WolfFan@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Dec 26 10:39:31 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On Dec 25, 2023, Alan wrote
    (in article <umdk7u$3cf2d$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 2023-12-25 18:57, Andrew wrote:
    On 25/12/2023, WolfFan wrote:

    Slum dwellers can afford hideously expensive phones

    Did you watch Apple's video?
    Apple is telling you in that video that they market to people in slums.

    The guy walking through the slums with the yellow iPhone was wearing thick gold chains and gaudy watches and fancy suits/shoes to pretend to be rich.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Apple didn't advertise him with a gold front tooth since the only thing Apple advertised was the guy bought or stole that phone so that everyone else in the slum would look up at him in awe.

    Give us a link to that video...

    this should be good...

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Dec 26 16:09:29 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-12-26, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-12-25 18:57, Andrew wrote:
    On 25/12/2023, WolfFan wrote:

    Slum dwellers can afford hideously expensive phones

    Did you watch Apple's video? Apple is telling you in that video that
    they market to people in slums.

    The guy walking through the slums with the yellow iPhone was wearing
    thick gold chains and gaudy watches and fancy suits/shoes to pretend
    to be rich.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Apple didn't advertise him with a gold
    front tooth since the only thing Apple advertised was the guy bought
    or stole that phone so that everyone else in the slum would look up
    at him in awe.

    Give us a link to that video...

    I guess we're all supposed to just ignore that Arlen switched from
    "Wally" to "Andrew" in a lame attempt to make it appear his idiotic
    views are supported by someone other than himself... 😉

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Wally J on Tue Dec 26 11:27:24 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.apps

    On 2023-12-24 20:50, Wally J wrote:
    *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote

    There is a controversy in psychology on what the alleged Dunning Kruger
    effect actually is and not only is Arlen avoiding that I doubt the
    originators intended for it to be weaponized as it has been. Sad state
    really.

    Hi Hemidactylus,

    I study the strange iKooks, who, let's be clear, constantly fabricate imaginary functionality for iOS that simply does not exist (& never has).

    However... perhaps you (and maybe even Chris) do have the functional
    capacity to understand whom Apple aims its marketing campaigns at, and,
    what those analysis I posted in the original post say about that.

    That should be "...TO whom Apple aims its marketing..." with no "at".


    Given I just read a sentient sentence moments ago from you on immunology,
    I'm going to speak with you in this post as if you're _not_ an iKook. OK?

    My point of contention with you deprecating the D-K effect wasn't that you deprecated the D-K effect; it was that you deprecated it without understanding it. That's a _big_ difference.

    You know there's a well-known professor, John Mearsheimer, and another just-as-well-known professor, Steven Kotkin, both of whom speak about the origins of the current war in Ukraine, where I disagree with Mearsheimer
    and I almost completely agree with Kotkin - but - I accept that both of
    them are starting from the same data points - in that they understand the Russian psyche and Russian history and the Russian mentality.

    And this is not you distracting from the subject at hand?

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